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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 15:16:56 GMT
What will happen to the internet the day that the cabal of ex bioware fans that turned into cdpr sycophants turns on them as well? It will serve as a reminder that glory and fame is temporary that success is relative to the moment in which you live and you can become a villain from the hero you were in a matter of years. Rise and fall, Birth and death, Idealism and decadence all is part of the circular structure of exsistence in this world we live. Yes, it will be. However, for the sake of diversity I hope that the hordes do not turn on CDPR over Cyberpunk. They are finally switching gears, so fingers crossed it will be something that appeal... well, to me, frankly. And if it appeals to me, hopefully it does not mean that the rest will hate it with a passion. Hopefully, not too much to ask. Fingers crossed. |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 20, 2017 17:21:21 GMT
If the gameplay is like the Twitcher series at all.... I will pass.
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Post by 10k on Aug 20, 2017 17:31:32 GMT
I wish it was coming out next month. The last great RPG dev out there, beside bethesda I guess. Can't wait for Cyberpunk 2077. Witcher 3 was epic, and the way CD projekt treat their fans is refreshing. They are the first dev studio I've seen that puts a thank you letter in their game case for supporting their game and offering 16 free dlcs. They're very humble and I hope they continue to be that way.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 20, 2017 17:42:09 GMT
All those DLC were cosmetics and Gwent cards not really impressed.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Aug 20, 2017 17:42:45 GMT
The Polish government is funding Cyberpunk 2077 with $7m til June 2019, meaning Cyberpunk 2077 must be released by that date unless CDPR asks for extension.
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Post by Serza on Aug 20, 2017 17:47:06 GMT
Clickbait nebo ne, mrdat pšonky.
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Post by 10k on Aug 20, 2017 17:48:10 GMT
All those DLC were cosmetics and Gwent cards not really impressed. Actually 5 of them were quest here's a list: Temerian Armor Set Beard and Hairstyle Set New Quest – ‘Contract: Missing Miners’ Alternative Look for Yennefer Nilfgaardian Armor Set Elite Crossbow Set New Quest – ‘Fool’s Gold’ Ballad Heroes’ Neutral Gwent Card Set New Quest – ‘Scavenger Hunt: Wolf School Gear’ Alternative Look for Triss New Quest – ‘Contract: Skellige’s Most Wanted’ Skellige Armor Set Alternative Look for Ciri New Quest – ‘Where the Cat and Wolf Play…’ New Finisher Animations NEW GAME +. Also, it's more than other game devs give the player for free. Which is nothing. |
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Post by smilesja on Aug 20, 2017 17:49:25 GMT
Okay still not impressed considering they're minor additions. If the they released a free DLC like blood and wine that'll be great.
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The Polish government is funding Cyberpunk 2077 with $7m til June 2019, meaning Cyberpunk 2077 must be released by that date unless CDPR asks for extension. Damn it when a government is giving money for a game you know that poor BW can't compete. We should ask Trump to sponsor the next ME game. I already have the spot MMEGA (Make Mass Effect Great Again) with Hillary Clinton starring as the villain and a Russian companion providing the intelligence as information broker/hacker. |
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Post by seductivewizard on Aug 20, 2017 18:53:40 GMT
Hope it's better than Witcher 3 Nothing will ever be as good as the Witcher 3. Witcher 3 hailed high over all the medieval trash RPGs out there....(skyrim, dragon age, etc) Cyberpunk will do the same and hail high over all the Sci-Fi based RPGs out there. Different RPG categories really.... |
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Post by smilesja on Aug 20, 2017 19:01:51 GMT
Nothing will ever be as good as the Witcher 3. Witcher 3 hailed high over all the medieval trash RPGs out there....(skyrim, dragon age, etc) Cyberpunk will do the same and hail high over all the Sci-Fi based RPGs out there. Different RPG categories really.... Sarcasm? |
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Post by seductivewizard on Aug 20, 2017 19:08:13 GMT
I have zero interest to support a company that exploits it's workers by paying them for a job not worth for mere Polish minimum wage, despite getting tax cuts and state funding. I too find it very hard to remain unbiased and buy the Cyberpunk because of how the company behaves, how the fans of Witcher behave and how the Witcher is used as a holy book in the name of which to crusade and burn. But I don't really want to be unfair to their product and be critical of it because of external things. So, I'd wait and see. However, if there will be reports of slave labour I'd reconsider. I know I could not touch a MMO again after I learned that in some of them, there is exploitation of prisoners involved in the third world, because in-game currency can be sold for real money. I certainly hope that what you say is not true, and that the success of CDPR is not fueled by unfair treatment of the workers. The state sponsorship is already cringeworthy where everyone else has to be competitive, but I can understand the governement trying to sponsor a new branch of industry to create a tech boom. For instance, If mass effect Andromeda's code dev had been outsourced to China, India, Thailand, etc, we would probably have have 10 times the content, all the bugs would have gotten fixed on the first patch (turret would work off host, headshots will register, etc, etc), and you could have bought the game for 20 bucks. These goofy Bioware Montreal Canadians lack the required neural network capacity (kinda dull, can't fix anything, maple syrup's clogged their neural networks) to do a job like this and are too expensive. Bwaaahahaha.... |
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I too find it very hard to remain unbiased and buy the Cyberpunk because of how the company behaves, how the fans of Witcher behave and how the Witcher is used as a holy book in the name of which to crusade and burn. But I don't really want to be unfair to their product and be critical of it because of external things. So, I'd wait and see. However, if there will be reports of slave labour I'd reconsider. I know I could not touch a MMO again after I learned that in some of them, there is exploitation of prisoners involved in the third world, because in-game currency can be sold for real money. I certainly hope that what you say is not true, and that the success of CDPR is not fueled by unfair treatment of the workers. The state sponsorship is already cringeworthy where everyone else has to be competitive, but I can understand the governement trying to sponsor a new branch of industry to create a tech boom. For instance, If mass effect Andromeda's code dev had been outsourced to China, India, Thailand, etc, we would probably have have 10 times the content, all the bugs would have gotten fixed on the first patch (turret would work off host, headshots will register, etc, etc), and you could have bought the game for 20 bucks. These goofy Bioware Montreal Canadians lack the required neural network capacity (kinda dull, can't fix anything, maple syrup's clogged their neural networks) to do a job like this and are too expensive. Bwaaahahaha.... Well, I don't feel that it is fair for a person to be paid minimum wage for a skilled technical labor, in Poland or elsewhere, and would not ask for the savings to be passed on to me as a customer - not that the Polish did, as the game sold with the same price tag as a title developed in the West, not at a discount. If the technical polish that is required for the majority of the folks to nod approvingly for a AAA can only be achieved by playing a financial game with developing in a low cost setting to sell for import prices & with significant inflow of the government capital, I'd rather switch to indie games. My demands on the high cost parts are more modest anyway than what most people want, I am okay with some customization, some voicing, some animations, etc, not everything to be crazy awesome. I am a niche gamer, that's much as clear, so I am just going to try out a bunch of niche games. Once Cyberpunk is released, I will take a look and see if I want to play it. That's two or three years down the road, so... until then. The only things I can say based on provided information in as non-partisanship manner as I can muster, is that the setting is quite a bit more appealing to me than the Witcher, I don't like the artwork in the Trailer, I am almost positive there will be CC for the player, and that the projected length of the game and the threat of even more and bigger OW are off-putting for me personally. All and all, a mixed bag. |
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Post by seductivewizard on Aug 20, 2017 20:08:58 GMT
For instance, If mass effect Andromeda's code dev had been outsourced to China, India, Thailand, etc, we would probably have have 10 times the content, all the bugs would have gotten fixed on the first patch (turret would work off host, headshots will register, etc, etc), and you could have bought the game for 20 bucks. These goofy Bioware Montreal Canadians lack the required neural network capacity (kinda dull, can't fix anything, maple syrup's clogged their neural networks) to do a job like this and are too expensive. Bwaaahahaha.... Well, I don't feel that it is fair for a person to be paid minimum wage for a skilled technical labor, in Poland or elsewhere, and would not ask for the savings to be passed on to me as a customer - not that the Polish did, as the game sold with the same price tag as a title developed in the West, not at a discount. If the technical polish that is required for the majority of the folks to nod approvingly for a AAA can only be achieved by playing a financial game with developing in a low cost setting to sell for import prices & with significant inflow of the government capital, I'd rather switch to indie games. My demands on the high cost parts are more modest anyway than what most people want, I am okay with some customization, some voicing, some animations, etc, not everything to be crazy awesome. I am a niche gamer, that's much as clear, so I am just going to try out a bunch of niche games. Once Cyberpunk is released, I will take a look and see if I want to play it. That's two or three years down the road, so... until then. The only things I can say based on provided information in as non-partisanship manner as I can muster, is that the setting is quite a bit more appealing to me than the Witcher, I don't like the artwork in the Trailer, I am almost positive there will be CC for the player, and that the projected length of the game and the threat of even more and bigger OW are off-putting for me personally. All and all, a mixed bag. Salaries are lower in Asia because the cost of living is so damn low there. So, you won't be fleecing anyone there if you paid the average salary for a techie there. Can you name one product you use that wan't made in China? I can't think of a single commercial software i use these days that was not outsourced to Asia during some phase of PD. There is a very high skilled labor pool there that can get it done cheap. It appears to me that some Canadian software companies lack the required skill level in its labor pool, but, still pay high dollar for sub-par delivery. I have played a handful of amazing Japanese RPGs before (Zero Complaints!) They are made by a highly skilled local Japanese workforce. I have no problem with that. But, if you don't have the aptitude to do something right, outsource it to somebody who's more skilled than you that can do it right. If its cheaper too, then its just another bonus. It is better business for you in the long run. You will have a larger satisfied customer base and you will have the resources to release a larger number of great games every year. Everybody wins. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 20:26:48 GMT
Well, I don't feel that it is fair for a person to be paid minimum wage for a skilled technical labor, in Poland or elsewhere, and would not ask for the savings to be passed on to me as a customer - not that the Polish did, as the game sold with the same price tag as a title developed in the West, not at a discount. If the technical polish that is required for the majority of the folks to nod approvingly for a AAA can only be achieved by playing a financial game with developing in a low cost setting to sell for import prices & with significant inflow of the government capital, I'd rather switch to indie games. My demands on the high cost parts are more modest anyway than what most people want, I am okay with some customization, some voicing, some animations, etc, not everything to be crazy awesome. I am a niche gamer, that's much as clear, so I am just going to try out a bunch of niche games. Once Cyberpunk is released, I will take a look and see if I want to play it. That's two or three years down the road, so... until then. The only things I can say based on provided information in as non-partisanship manner as I can muster, is that the setting is quite a bit more appealing to me than the Witcher, I don't like the artwork in the Trailer, I am almost positive there will be CC for the player, and that the projected length of the game and the threat of even more and bigger OW are off-putting for me personally. All and all, a mixed bag. Salaries are lower in Asia because the cost of living is so damn low there. So, you won't be fleecing anyone there if you paid the average salary for a techie there. Can you name one product you use that wan't made in China? I can't think of a single commercial software i use these days that was not outsourced to Asia during some phase of PD. There is a very high skilled labor pool there that can get it done cheap. It appears to me that some Canadian software companies lack the required skill level in its labor pool, but, still pay high dollar for sub-par delivery. I have played a handful of amazing Japanese RPGs before (Zero Complaints!) They are made by a highly skilled local Japanese workforce. I have no problem with that. But, if you don't have the aptitude to do something right, outsource it to somebody who's more skilled than you that can do it right. If its cheaper too, then its just another bonus. It is better business for you in the long run. You will have a larger satisfied customer base and you will have the resources to release a larger number of great games every year. Everybody wins. If the salary is on par to provide a decent living in the area, then no, no complaints, but if it is at/below the minimal wage locally, which is the way I interpreted the post to which I have replied it makes me squimish. The trouble is, in a country like Poland, salary & cost of living might be completely out of touch, creating that weird effect when you look at the cost of things and at the remuneration, and there is no way people can possibly survive... At any rate, as I said, I will judge the game when and if it released on its own merit, but that is two or three years away, so that's that from the Polish guys for now as far as I am concerned. |
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Post by Redhead on Aug 20, 2017 21:52:42 GMT
Okay still not impressed considering they're minor additions. If the they released a free DLC like blood and wine that'll be great. Erm... But you realise, that whole budget for "Hearts of Stone" and "Blood and Wine" combined was about 5 mln dollars? And those were big expansions, that gives us 30+ hours of gameplay? |
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Post by smilesja on Aug 20, 2017 21:59:56 GMT
Okay still not impressed considering they're minor additions. If the they released a free DLC like blood and wine that'll be great. Erm... But you realise, that whole budget for "Hearts of Stone" and "Blood and Wine" combined was about 5 mln dollars? And those were big expansions, that gives us 30+ hours of gameplay? I'm aware it's just free "DLC" it sounds like something you put in patches |
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Erm... But you realise, that whole budget for "Hearts of Stone" and "Blood and Wine" combined was about 5 mln dollars? And those were big expansions, that gives us 30+ hours of gameplay? I'm aware it's just free "DLC" it sounds like something you put in patches But most developers (BW included) don't give you even small cosmetic stuff completely for free. Usually you have to buy some Deluxe Edition or at least preorder. Now in TW3 all those DLC's were actually free for all players, no strings attached. Sure, they were small, but still - it was nice touch. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 22:44:41 GMT
Witcher 3 hailed high over all the medieval trash RPGs out there....(skyrim, dragon age, etc) Cyberpunk will do the same and hail high over all the Sci-Fi based RPGs out there. Different RPG categories really.... Sarcasm? Are you trying to agitate them?  |
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 20, 2017 23:14:07 GMT
I'm waiting for CD Projekt Red to make a good game first...
Witcher 3 was their best outing but it's not really all the hype it deserves. Truth be told I liked Witcher 2 better as a structure. Still...Cyberpunk i'm not really too keen on, especially considering how nonsensical the early trailers were.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 20, 2017 23:22:21 GMT
I played TW1 and TW2. Based on that, I have no interest in TW3. Maybe when it's at the current MEA cost of $17.99. However, I am interested in Cyberpunk 2077. William Gibson sold me on cyberpunk long ago and I would love to play a game in that genre.
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Post by Guts on Aug 20, 2017 23:29:12 GMT
I too find it very hard to remain unbiased and buy the Cyberpunk because of how the company behaves, how the fans of Witcher behave and how the Witcher is used as a holy book in the name of which to crusade and burn. But I don't really want to be unfair to their product and be critical of it because of external things. So, I'd wait and see. However, if there will be reports of slave labour I'd reconsider. I know I could not touch a MMO again after I learned that in some of them, there is exploitation of prisoners involved in the third world, because in-game currency can be sold for real money. I certainly hope that what you say is not true, and that the success of CDPR is not fueled by unfair treatment of the workers. The state sponsorship is already cringeworthy where everyone else has to be competitive, but I can understand the governement trying to sponsor a new branch of industry to create a tech boom. I have problems with the behavior of whole countries. And guess what, I don't mean Russia or China. Politicians in general are just dicks. (Don't forget businessmen, those guys are dicks too.) *Cough* Dick Cheney *Cough* |
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