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Post by traks on Aug 22, 2017 6:56:45 GMT
Not quite sure what this thread is about. Will they tell more stories from Andromeda with Novels/Comics? Sure. As they always do, they will tell prequels (the next book starring Cora Harper), sidequels (the third book still slated to come out later revolving around the Quarian Ark) and more stuff giving more background to side characters in the game.
But will they continue with the Pathfinder as protagonist in books? That's very doubtful, because they have never done this before, so my answer would be no. No, THE Andromeda story will not continue through comics and novels. At least that isn't what Bioware said in their statement.
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Post by Guts on Aug 22, 2017 7:20:19 GMT
Not quite sure what this thread is about. Will they tell more stories from Andromeda with Novels/Comics? Sure. As they always do, they will tell prequels (the next book starring Cora Harper), sidequels (the third book still slated to come out later revolving around the Quarian Ark) and more stuff giving more background to side characters in the game. But will they continue with the Pathfinder as protagonist in books? That's very doubtful, because they have never done this before, so my answer would be no. No, THE Andromeda story will not continue through comics and novels. At least that isn't what Bioware said in their statement. This is a bit of a pipe-dream, but I think having Ryder go to the quarian ark in a sequel would be the next best thing, considering we aren't getting any more DLC.
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Post by sil on Aug 22, 2017 7:23:29 GMT
I would have read the novels if they hadn't been DLC reduced to a book format. If they had been side stories like Ascension then that would've been awesome, instead, they cut all the DLC that was obviously planned and heavily hinted at in favour of a book. For thematic reasons our mission just is not complete until Ryder saves the Quarian Ark, it just does not feel complete at all, and a book won't help. I would've read the books if we had had quarian ark dlc, but when they replace dlc for a book then I lose all interest.
Still, I don't want to rain on your positivity here, it's good to see someone trying to see the silver lining of a very dark cloud, but I just don't share your positivity, I feel ME's at its death knell. I'll be interested to hear what you think of the comics and novels to come, though.
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Post by traks on Aug 22, 2017 7:29:45 GMT
I would have read the novels if they hadn't been DLC reduced to a book format. If they had been side stories like Ascension then that would've been awesome, instead, they cut all the DLC that was obviously planned and heavily hinted at in favour of a book. For thematic reasons our mission just is not complete until Ryder saves the Quarian Ark, it just does not feel complete at all, and a book won't help. I would've read the books if we had had quarian ark dlc, but when they replace dlc for a book then I lose all interest. Still, I don't want to rain on your positivity here, it's good to see someone trying to see the silver lining of a very dark cloud, but I just don't share your positivity, I feel ME's at its death knell. I'll be interested to hear what you think of the comics and novels to come, though. The books have been planned and were most likely written before the game even released. So relax, they are not replacing DLC. Doesn't mean they are any more interesting with the future of MEA in doubt, but it's nothing they planned instead of DLC. The statement just confirmed that the books will still be released and for those that wondered about the Quarian Ark it is now confirmed that the third novel indeed (which was presumed for a long time because it had the working title "Lost Ark") will cover the Quarian side of that story.
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Post by sil on Aug 22, 2017 7:42:49 GMT
I would have read the novels if they hadn't been DLC reduced to a book format. If they had been side stories like Ascension then that would've been awesome, instead, they cut all the DLC that was obviously planned and heavily hinted at in favour of a book. For thematic reasons our mission just is not complete until Ryder saves the Quarian Ark, it just does not feel complete at all, and a book won't help. I would've read the books if we had had quarian ark dlc, but when they replace dlc for a book then I lose all interest. Still, I don't want to rain on your positivity here, it's good to see someone trying to see the silver lining of a very dark cloud, but I just don't share your positivity, I feel ME's at its death knell. I'll be interested to hear what you think of the comics and novels to come, though. The books have been planned and were most likely written before the game even released. So relax, they are not replacing DLC. Doesn't mean they are any more interesting with the future of MEA in doubt, but it's nothing they planned instead of DLC. The statement just confirmed that the books will still be released and for those that wondered about the Quarian Ark it is now confirmed that the third novel indeed (which was presumed for a long time because it had the working title "Lost Ark") will cover the Quarian side of that story. Of course they're replacing DLC, you don't seed the end of a game with a massive plot hook to then say "Go forth and read about it instead!", the Lost Ark book was likely to have originally been a tale of the troubles before leaving the Milky Way and the initial struggles when they get to Andromeda, telling the background of the situation that the DLC would've dealt with. I expect that the author has had to add to the plot with some additional chapters to bring the story to a conclusion rather than leaving it as a form of exposition for a DLC. A company the size of EA doesn't just decide to do DLC willynilly, they pre-plan them so they can judge their quarterly profits, and the game released with big teases for it.
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Post by traks on Aug 22, 2017 7:49:13 GMT
The books have been planned and were most likely written before the game even released. So relax, they are not replacing DLC. Doesn't mean they are any more interesting with the future of MEA in doubt, but it's nothing they planned instead of DLC. The statement just confirmed that the books will still be released and for those that wondered about the Quarian Ark it is now confirmed that the third novel indeed (which was presumed for a long time because it had the working title "Lost Ark") will cover the Quarian side of that story. Of course they're replacing DLC, you don't seed the end of a game with a massive plot hook to then say "Go forth and read about it instead!", the Lost Ark book was likely to have originally been a tale of the troubles before leaving the Milky Way and the initial struggles when they get to Andromeda, telling the background of the situation that the DLC would've dealt with. I expect that the author has had to add to the plot with some additional chapters to bring the story to a conclusion rather than leaving it as a form of exposition for a DLC. A company the size of EA doesn't just decide to do DLC willynilly, they pre-plan them so they can judge their quarterly profits, and the game released with big teases for it. Disagree. IMO the Quarian tease in the game was just there to tell you that Quarians will be in the next Mass Effect game (and maybe characters in Multiplayer), while the "how did they get there and in what kind of problem did they run?" was always planned for the book. But we will see. Though unless they tell a Ryder Jr. story in a book, there is still nothing replacing DLC.
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Post by NRieh on Aug 22, 2017 8:17:13 GMT
It's dead to anyone who doesn't like multiplayer or reading their video games. Agreed. And truth be told, the story value of their MP content is lacking (to say the least). I believe that among the three recent BW MPs DAI had the best SP tie-ins - not intrusive, but relevant enough. Voiced by the advisors (with two of three being possible LIs). Running the 'Shepard's' places in ME3MP was also nice, the locations are all 'iconic' and recognizable, some characters are voiced by the main cast. And (dare I say it) the N7 asset does not seem like such a bad idea once you separate it from the pre-EC EMS\TMS numbers disaster. MEAMP felt so detached from the main content that I can barely remember any objective, location or character. So, 'story' is the last thing to come to my mind when thinking of MEAMP. If I happen to have a sudden 'ME shooting itch', I'd rather run ME3MP, really.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 22, 2017 9:16:51 GMT
Even if any further development to the SP is effectlvely dead from today, Bioware did not tell us that the stories of Andromeda were cut short or executed on a kiling floor. I'm dissapointed none of these story additions will be in our SP, but I'm also glad that these additions EXIST in some shape or form. The story hasn't stopped nor is it dead. I think more than anything a true loss would have been the discontinuing of ANY further story. Yes, the Andromeda canon has been pretty much relegated to APEX missions and novels and comics now, but those things still tell us ME:A is not infact dead or that Bioware/EA have completely given up every sembelence of any acknowledgement of the game's existence. That the galaxy and the aliens and the lore they crafted wasn't thrown in the bath water. There was no abandonment. I think that would have been incredibly worse. This official update by no means has any indication of EA/Bioware putting the ME series out back and putting it out of its misery. It means there's still something to look forward no matter how it may minimal it may seem and it means this board won't be a future ghost town. (And rereading the update post over and over, I'm led to believe BioWare NEVER intended for any SP DLC) I've always enjoyed (and looked forward to) the novels and comics from Bioware so whatever comes I will read, and enjoy. Apex missions I'm really not sure about, I hate MP but if there's gonna be a lore drop I suppose I'll give it a go. I get that books/comics are not a format for everyone and it sucks that there won't be any more game. Anyway, it's done, so it's time for us to look at other things I think. x
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Post by ProbeAway on Aug 22, 2017 10:19:35 GMT
Even if any further development to the SP is effectlvely dead from today, Bioware did not tell us that the stories of Andromeda were cut short or executed on a kiling floor. I'm dissapointed none of these story additions will be in our SP, but I'm also glad that these additions EXIST in some shape or form. The story hasn't stopped nor is it dead. I think more than anything a true loss would have been the discontinuing of ANY further story. Yes, the Andromeda canon has been pretty much relegated to APEX missions and novels and comics now, but those things still tell us ME:A is not infact dead or that Bioware/EA have completely given up every sembelence of any acknowledgement of the game's existence. That the galaxy and the aliens and the lore they crafted wasn't thrown in the bath water. There was no abandonment. I think that would have been incredibly worse. This official update by no means has any indication of EA/Bioware putting the ME series out back and putting it out of its misery. It means there's still something to look forward no matter how it may minimal it may seem and it means this board won't be a future ghost town. (And rereading the update post over and over, I'm led to believe BioWare NEVER intended for any SP DLC) I've always enjoyed (and looked forward to) the novels and comics from Bioware so whatever comes I will read, and enjoy. Apex missions I'm really not sure about, I hate MP but if there's gonna be a lore drop I suppose I'll give it a go. I get that books/comics are not a format for everyone and it sucks that there won't be any more game. Anyway, it's done, so it's time for us to look at other things I think. x I wouldn't bother with MP if all you want is story/lore. They have released some brief setups for unique Apex missions over the past few months and given the MP characters very simple background summaries, but that's about it. I would be shocked if they started giving us anything more in-depth. This is probably the most interesting of the Apex briefings because it tells you a tidbit about Evfra's past: www.masseffect.com/apex-missions/apex-mission-brief-09
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 22, 2017 10:22:27 GMT
I've always enjoyed (and looked forward to) the novels and comics from Bioware so whatever comes I will read, and enjoy. Apex missions I'm really not sure about, I hate MP but if there's gonna be a lore drop I suppose I'll give it a go. I get that books/comics are not a format for everyone and it sucks that there won't be any more game. Anyway, it's done, so it's time for us to look at other things I think. x I wouldn't bother with MP if all you want is story/lore. They have released some brief setups for unique Apex missions over the past few months and given the MP characters very simple background summaries, but that's about it. I would be shocked if they started giving us anything more in-depth. This is probably the most interesting of the Apex briefings because it tells you a tidbit about Evfra's past: www.masseffect.com/apex-missions/apex-mission-brief-09Well that's a relief because DID I MENTION I HATE MP?!
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Post by ProbeAway on Aug 22, 2017 10:23:27 GMT
I wouldn't bother with MP if all you want is story/lore. They have released some brief setups for unique Apex missions over the past few months and given the MP characters very simple background summaries, but that's about it. I would be shocked if they started giving us anything more in-depth. This is probably the most interesting of the Apex briefings because it tells you a tidbit about Evfra's past: www.masseffect.com/apex-missions/apex-mission-brief-09Well that's a relief because DID I MENTION I HATE MP?! Lol I think so
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 22, 2017 14:49:42 GMT
Comics and novels should flesh out and give more context to what we experience in game. Not replace it. This would be like if LoTSB and trespasser had been novels instead of in game DLC content that we as players have experienced.
At the very least the Quarian Ark and Ellen Ryder should have been DLCs.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 22, 2017 14:59:46 GMT
Comics and novels should flesh out and give more context to what we experience in game. Not replace it. This would be like if LoTSB and trespasser had been novels instead of in game DLC content that we as players have experienced. At the very least the Quarian Ark and Ellen Ryder should have been DLCs. In retrospect, DAI got very lucky then they were able to make dlc to flesh out the post credit scene. I hope the DA4 team learns from this because you never know how fans are going to respond to your game. I highly, highly doubt the decision was made early in the dev to not produce dlc. If this was the case they should have said so before launch or at least shortly there after. Which this whole six months thing feels more like a money grab then anything else.
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Post by Xesthan on Aug 22, 2017 15:01:12 GMT
Comics and novels should flesh out and give more context to what we experience in game. Not replace it. This would be like if LoTSB and trespasser had been novels instead of in game DLC content that we as players have experienced. At the very least the Quarian Ark and Ellen Ryder should have been DLCs. Didn't you read any of the above comments at all? The novels were planned way in advance, we even knew we'd be getting 3 novels for Andromeda at least. The end of Andromeda just hinted that the Quarians would be in the next game (that is if you we get a next game). The book is mostly just going to be about the problems the ark faces. The book was going to happen regardless of whether or not we got DLCs. It's replacing nothing.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 22, 2017 15:32:50 GMT
I wouldn't bother with MP if all you want is story/lore. They have released some brief setups for unique Apex missions over the past few months and given the MP characters very simple background summaries, but that's about it. I would be shocked if they started giving us anything more in-depth. This is probably the most interesting of the Apex briefings because it tells you a tidbit about Evfra's past: www.masseffect.com/apex-missions/apex-mission-brief-09Well that's a relief because DID I MENTION I HATE MP?! Right there with you. I play RPG games for the story. If I want a straightforward shooter, I'll play a shooter. I generally dislike the bullshit I have to put up with in MP worlds - from other players, that is. It's rare to find a "nice" place.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 22, 2017 15:39:49 GMT
Of course they're replacing DLC, you don't seed the end of a game with a massive plot hook to then say "Go forth and read about it instead!", the Lost Ark book was likely to have originally been a tale of the troubles before leaving the Milky Way and the initial struggles when they get to Andromeda, telling the background of the situation that the DLC would've dealt with. I expect that the author has had to add to the plot with some additional chapters to bring the story to a conclusion rather than leaving it as a form of exposition for a DLC. A company the size of EA doesn't just decide to do DLC willynilly, they pre-plan them so they can judge their quarterly profits, and the game released with big teases for it. Disagree. IMO the Quarian tease in the game was just there to tell you that Quarians will be in the next Mass Effect game (and maybe characters in Multiplayer), while the "how did they get there and in what kind of problem did they run?" was always planned for the book. But we will see. Though unless they tell a Ryder Jr. story in a book, there is still nothing replacing DLC. Hey, if this quarian tease ultimately ends up in MEA 2: Quarian Bumbum Bugaloo, then I'll be happy as a pig in clover. If it ends up in a book.....well...
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Post by traks on Aug 22, 2017 15:50:13 GMT
Disagree. IMO the Quarian tease in the game was just there to tell you that Quarians will be in the next Mass Effect game (and maybe characters in Multiplayer), while the "how did they get there and in what kind of problem did they run?" was always planned for the book. But we will see. Though unless they tell a Ryder Jr. story in a book, there is still nothing replacing DLC. Hey, if this quarian tease ultimately ends up in MEA 2: Quarian Bumbum Bugaloo, then I'll be happy as a pig in clover. If it ends up in a book.....well... But what if Ryder has nothing to do with what was teased? That was the impression I got the whole time. Wouldn't it be nice, if one of the pathfinders proves capable to save his own ark and doesn't have to be saved by Ryder? Again: I think the tease should just tell you that Quarians will be in the next MEA game (if there is one). What Mass Effect: Annihilation (the novel) also could be about is a bridge to an enemy in the next game. Maybe they ran into the species that drove the Jardaan away? That's totally fine to be told in a book, while in game only stuff that Ryder is involved in matters. I never got why so many fans were focused on Ryder saving even the last ark. Can't anyone else prove at least a little competent?
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 22, 2017 15:55:49 GMT
Hey, if this quarian tease ultimately ends up in MEA 2: Quarian Bumbum Bugaloo, then I'll be happy as a pig in clover. If it ends up in a book.....well... But what if Ryder has nothing to do with what was teased? That was the impression I got the whole time. Wouldn't it be nice, if one of the pathfinders proves capable to save his own ark and doesn't have to be saved by Ryder? Again: I think the tease should just tell you that Quarians will be in the next MEA game (if there is one). What Mass Effect: Annihilation (the novel) also could be about is a bridge to an enemy in the next game. Maybe they ran into the species that drove the Jardaan away? That's totally fine to be told in a book, while in game only stuff that Ryder is involved in matters. I never got why so many fans were focused on Ryder saving even the last ark. Can't anyone else prove at least a little competent? In a hypothetical scenario where the quarian ark becomes part of a follow-up game, I think an interesting approach could be to have the entire prologue of the game put the player in the shoes of the Pathfinder of the quarian ark temporarily, and that character saves their own ark and eventually makes their way to the Nexus, and from there we get some lead-in to either return to our actual character. I can't say how well this would be taken, but I really don't want too much to be covered in a book, especially if it involves introducing a new enemy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 16:01:09 GMT
heh, I like reading and I like playing games. But I don't mix the two. I have never been an EU trawler, and the lore that is related outside the movies and games is lost to me. I don't even read the codex entries in the games for the most part, unless the title is really fascinating.
The reason I chose to play videogames over watching TV/movies as my preferred form of digital entertainment is that I create the main character in the story. That's what interests me the most, to see adventures of my guy or my gal. Not adventures of a character created by someone else.
But I am playing Andromeda still, and hope to play MEA2 eventually. Or another game that is pretty good. I've been playing games for 20 years, and I am not going anywhere, hopefully. Times change, things change, and it's okay.
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Post by traks on Aug 22, 2017 16:04:12 GMT
But what if Ryder has nothing to do with what was teased? That was the impression I got the whole time. Wouldn't it be nice, if one of the pathfinders proves capable to save his own ark and doesn't have to be saved by Ryder? Again: I think the tease should just tell you that Quarians will be in the next MEA game (if there is one). What Mass Effect: Annihilation (the novel) also could be about is a bridge to an enemy in the next game. Maybe they ran into the species that drove the Jardaan away? That's totally fine to be told in a book, while in game only stuff that Ryder is involved in matters. I never got why so many fans were focused on Ryder saving even the last ark. Can't anyone else prove at least a little competent? In a hypothetical scenario where the quarian ark becomes part of a follow-up game, I think an interesting approach could be to have the entire prologue of the game put the player in the shoes of the Pathfinder of the quarian ark temporarily, and that character saves their own ark and eventually makes their way to the Nexus, and from there we get some lead-in to either return to our actual character. What? Nah, I don't want to jump between characters. Let other characters shine in novels (or as side characters) like it's always been in ME. Even playing the sibling in MEA was way more strange than playing Joker briefly in ME2 (because we still had no real connection to the sibling). The one occasion I would have been fine to jump into a different character would have been at the end of ME3 to find out WTF happened when Shepard used the crucible. A playable epilogue basically picking up where the story can't be told from Shepard's perspective anymore (because he is dead or unconscious).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 16:05:31 GMT
Not quite sure what this thread is about. Will they tell more stories from Andromeda with Novels/Comics? Sure. As they always do, they will tell prequels (the next book starring Cora Harper), sidequels (the third book still slated to come out later revolving around the Quarian Ark) and more stuff giving more background to side characters in the game. But will they continue with the Pathfinder as protagonist in books? That's very doubtful, because they have never done this before, so my answer would be no. No, THE Andromeda story will not continue through comics and novels. At least that isn't what Bioware said in their statement. The terribad Baldur's Gate books by Athans' did canonize a Human Male protagonist as a Bhaalspawn, and Karpushyn's books canonized Revan & told his story after the events of KOTOR. I would rather not see that again.
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Post by traks on Aug 22, 2017 16:11:44 GMT
Not quite sure what this thread is about. Will they tell more stories from Andromeda with Novels/Comics? Sure. As they always do, they will tell prequels (the next book starring Cora Harper), sidequels (the third book still slated to come out later revolving around the Quarian Ark) and more stuff giving more background to side characters in the game. But will they continue with the Pathfinder as protagonist in books? That's very doubtful, because they have never done this before, so my answer would be no. No, THE Andromeda story will not continue through comics and novels. At least that isn't what Bioware said in their statement. The terribad Baldur's Gate books by Athans' did canonize a Human Male protagonist as a Bhaalspawn, and Karpushyn's books canonized Revan & told his story after the events of KOTOR. I would rather not see that again. Before my time, but seconded. That's when we have to worry (or know that MEA is dead): when they bring out a novel with Ryder Jr. as protagonist to finish off the Andromeda arc. But again: that isn't what BioWare said in their current statement, so I wouldn't worry about that yet.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 22, 2017 17:41:44 GMT
Comics and novels should flesh out and give more context to what we experience in game. Not replace it. This would be like if LoTSB and trespasser had been novels instead of in game DLC content that we as players have experienced. At the very least the Quarian Ark and Ellen Ryder should have been DLCs. Didn't you read any of the above comments at all? The novels were planned way in advance, we even knew we'd be getting 3 novels for Andromeda at least. The end of Andromeda just hinted that the Quarians would be in the next game (that is if you we get a next game). The book is mostly just going to be about the problems the ark faces. The book was going to happen regardless of whether or not we got DLCs. It's replacing nothing. You're entirely correct that the books were planned to begin with, but there are indications through hindsight that EAware never planned on releasing single player dlc at all and it's EA that apparently considers these other media as replacements, which is just shitty. Multiplayer should never be considered as a continuation of anything in the single player game-- and I actually enjoy the multiplayer on a casual level for this game.
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Post by dazzarlok on Aug 22, 2017 23:25:10 GMT
Of course they're replacing DLC, you don't seed the end of a game with a massive plot hook to then say "Go forth and read about it instead!", the Lost Ark book was likely to have originally been a tale of the troubles before leaving the Milky Way and the initial struggles when they get to Andromeda, telling the background of the situation that the DLC would've dealt with. I expect that the author has had to add to the plot with some additional chapters to bring the story to a conclusion rather than leaving it as a form of exposition for a DLC. A company the size of EA doesn't just decide to do DLC willynilly, they pre-plan them so they can judge their quarterly profits, and the game released with big teases for it. Disagree. IMO the Quarian tease in the game was just there to tell you that Quarians will be in the next Mass Effect game (and maybe characters in Multiplayer), while the "how did they get there and in what kind of problem did they run?" was always planned for the book. But we will see. Though unless they tell a Ryder Jr. story in a book, there is still nothing replacing DLC. Ok, well if that's true, then does that mean they literally had no intention of making single player DLC from the start?
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 22, 2017 23:29:53 GMT
Disagree. IMO the Quarian tease in the game was just there to tell you that Quarians will be in the next Mass Effect game (and maybe characters in Multiplayer), while the "how did they get there and in what kind of problem did they run?" was always planned for the book. But we will see. Though unless they tell a Ryder Jr. story in a book, there is still nothing replacing DLC. Ok, well if that's true, then does that mean they literally had no intention of making single player DLC from the start? There are rumours. My take: They might have planned for some DLC but scratched it, when they stepped the grunts in to salvage what they could for a release.
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