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Post by melbella on Aug 23, 2017 2:15:36 GMT
Since I can't decide what game to play next, I started reading Nexus Uprising instead. I'm not very far yet, only through the prologue and first 2 chapters. A few comments about it so far...
It starts out written from Sloane's perspective. In the prologue, she's musing about Alec and how he raised his kids after his wife died. Now, we know from Alec's memories that Sara and Scott were adults in the Alliance by that point, so I'm not sure if this is an author goof or just Sloane not having correct information. Considering she admits to not knowing many others in the Initiative very well, it could plausibly be the latter.
In Ch. 1, the shit hits the fan. Sloane wakes up in her pod and hears all kinds of alarms etc. She speaks some kind of emergency password and her cryo pod unlocks. However, she is apparently the only one to have such a code because she then proceeds to pry open cryo pods of other people in her same area. First one she gets out is Kandros. He's awake, so he could have said a passcode to open his pod but for whatever reason, that isn't what happened. I'm sure Avitus Rix would have really liked having a code like that too.
A passing mention is made of "two teenagers" in this same area, more folks being busted out of their pods. No idea how pods were assigned, but it seems strange that teenagers would be in the same cell as Sloane and Kandros. I would think blocks would be of similar types - security, admin, etc. If this was a security block, teens shouldn't be a part of it, unless maybe they were children of one of the other security team members? Anyway, them being there didn't make sense to me.
Sloane tells Kandros to lead everyone to the docking bays in case they have to bug out quick. Meanwhile she goes further in to see if she can find out what happened. She comes upon a nearly dead asari who gives her a few hints on what may have happened. Sloane asks her where the council and Garson are because she wants to check on their pods, make sure they're ok, and get them out. Now, why she has to ask this makes no sense because she is the one who sealed up Garson's pod. She should know exactly where it is.
Anyway, she goes to the correct location and the place is completely empty. Pods are open - no damage, no bodies - until she hears a cough and our dearly beloved Foster Addison pops up from beneath a table or something. She tells Sloane she was looking for Garson. I might actually go back and re-read this conversation because I'm certain this is the beginning of the "Garson is already dead at this point" part of the story, and Addison is already being shifty. I was very amused by Sloane really wanting to punch her.
Random thought - Sloane's awakening process was obviously not done properly given the state of the Nexus at that point. I wonder if some kind of damage was done as a result and that's how she ends up the way she is in the game?
That's it for now. These things stood out to me as red flags regarding consistency and sense-making plot points. Hopefully it gets better.
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Post by melbella on Aug 23, 2017 4:35:04 GMT
They did get the "Number Eight" thing right for Tann. The actual phrase hasn't come up yet though. I already like Kesh but this book is making me like her even more.
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 23, 2017 22:00:16 GMT
There are definitely some small mistakes, such as with Alec and the twins. I think you'll enjoy it, overall. I bet I'd catch every error, now, having played the game before reading.
As to escaping a pod, if you're awake, each pod is designed to allow its occupant to open it. Some worked properly, some didn't. I can't recall with certainty, but I think some attention was paid to Sloane's barely escaping, but others opening their pods with relative ease. It might've been a mid-process power failure that caused the issue? I can't recall.
Addison and Kesh are well developed in this novel. The same is true of the rest of the important Nexus personnel, too. My view of them is heavily influenced by their actions in the novel.
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Post by Serza on Aug 24, 2017 0:49:12 GMT
I like how Tann's introduced. "Who the hell is Jarun Tann?!"
Also you're right. Addison's shifty as fuck there, but I think SAM outright states it was a MALE with Garson in that apartment. Could've been Spender for all we know. Even though he was probably still in cryo at the time. I was hoping to see more of Garson, in fact... Unfortunately she goes MIA immediately and that's it. At least she saw Andromeda.
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Post by melbella on Aug 24, 2017 1:03:51 GMT
I would really like to get my hands on the wake up protocols to see who, at that point, should have been out of cryo for the arrival ceremony. Compare that to the list of known dead and you can narrow down the list of suspects in Garson's murder. I'm betting whoever it was managed to get their name higher up on the list than was warranted, but not so high as to look suspicious. They couldn't have predicted hitting the Scourge and random pods being opened willy-nilly. If the plan was to kill Garson upon arrival, they wouldn't have left it to chance like that.
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 24, 2017 4:01:29 GMT
I like how Tann's introduced. "Who the hell is Jarun Tann?!" Also you're right. Addison's shifty as fuck there, but I think SAM outright states it was a MALE with Garson in that apartment. Could've been Spender for all we know. Even though he was probably still in cryo at the time. I was hoping to see more of Garson, in fact... Unfortunately she goes MIA immediately and that's it. At least she saw Andromeda. SAM doesn't imply male or female. They game uses a hollow, untextured "human male" rig to denote the killer. We can't really assume anything off of that, necessarily. Addison could've been involved. She could've been conducting her own mini-investigation. If so, she'd likely be suspicious and fearful when Sloane arrived. She definitely wasn't going back to her pod to pee. I would really like to get my hands on the wake up protocols to see who, at that point, should have been out of cryo for the arrival ceremony. Compare that to the list of known dead and you can narrow down the list of suspects in Garson's murder. I'm betting whoever it was managed to get their name higher up on the list than was warranted, but not so high as to look suspicious. They couldn't have predicted hitting the Scourge and random pods being opened willy-nilly. If the plan was to kill Garson upon arrival, they wouldn't have left it to chance like that. If Jien's murder was planned before departure-- and she and Alec were definitely uneasy before departure-- then the killer was likely awoken by some secret protocol. I'm sure SAM could eventually uncover the necessary code, but it doesn't seem like Ryder will be involved in solving this mystery, if we get to see it resolved. That's unfortunate and somewhat ridiculous, since Ryder is the only living person who knows about this, other than any who might be involved, or any (like Addison?) who may themselves have uncovered evidence.
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Post by melbella on Aug 24, 2017 4:14:43 GMT
I like how Tann's introduced. "Who the hell is Jarun Tann?!" Also you're right. Addison's shifty as fuck there, but I think SAM outright states it was a MALE with Garson in that apartment. Could've been Spender for all we know. Even though he was probably still in cryo at the time. I was hoping to see more of Garson, in fact... Unfortunately she goes MIA immediately and that's it. At least she saw Andromeda.
As much as I dislike Spender, he doesn't seem the type to kill someone himself. He'd get someone else to do it for him so he could deny it later. He is still in cryo at this point, at least according to Addison. He's one she requests be woken up once they (Tann, Addison, Sloane) decide they need more hands on deck.
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Post by Serza on Aug 24, 2017 10:43:36 GMT
Interesting. Can't be Spender. Could be Addison, though... She did expect to take the leadership before Number Eight (who's a proper arse - or cloaca, as the case may be - by the way).
Though my money's not on her.
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Post by melbella on Aug 24, 2017 12:42:45 GMT
I don't think it's her either. She's too apolitical. And while she may have expected to take over, she didn't really want the responsibility. Heck, she didn't really want the responsibility she ended up with! She's shady as hell, and makes some bad decisions (in-game) but her goal is always to make sure the Initiative succeeds. That's a lot more likely to happen with Garson alive.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 24, 2017 13:06:40 GMT
I wonder if the Nexus not having a sam node was intentional?
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Post by Fogg on Aug 24, 2017 14:22:39 GMT
The whole book is about Sloane becoming who she is, you don't have to guess after only two chapters, it will be described in detail.
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Post by melbella on Aug 25, 2017 3:17:16 GMT
Tin-foil conspiracy theory time:
Tann: "The [Nexus] sensors were, in fact, damaged during flight, but not to the level the logs seem to indicate."
Emphasis added. The same thing happened to the Hyperion. Sensors went whiggy long before they hit the Scourge. Not sure if we have any evidence from the other arks but....what if this was sabotage by the benefactor's agent? What would be the purpose? Hoping for everyone to get lost or delayed while they put their super secret plans in motion? But then they hit the Scourge and so much for those plans, let's just kill Jien and make it look like an accident?
Ugh, we need more of this story!
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 26, 2017 15:27:50 GMT
As a prolific reader, I feel like this novel should be "required reading" for anyone playing MEA. If you still hate Sloane, so be it; but at least the choice would be an educated one. Sloane's MEA content is pitiful, and set against a charming romantic interest. I can't imagine how they thought this was a good idea.
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Post by melbella on Aug 26, 2017 16:40:47 GMT
Yeah, so far I am liking Sloane pretty well in the book. Her first impressions of Tann and Spender mirror my own and, based on what happens, were certainly spot on. It's too bad there was no one like that (ie not a politician) left on the Nexus by the time we get there.
One thing I was disappointed with in the game is, no matter what you do, none of the leadership ever supports you going to Meridian. In the end, they're all just politicians covering their own arses.
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Post by phoray on Aug 26, 2017 19:31:11 GMT
Hmmm.
Don't like Mass Effect Universe enough to buy books.
Still more curious about the murder after this discussion than I was playing the game
It just doesn't seem to have anything to do with the plot is my main reason for ambivalence. "The Benefactor" team/person was running away from the Reapers. What is their motivation for murdering anyone once the Scourge crap came into play? How could that benefit them to kill people who could have been useful to get through a crisis?
I feel like,if we're ever given the reason, it will still be a poorly thought out reason that lacks all signs of common Sense and I'll be more annoyed with the reason than I would be if they just dropped it. The murder narrative added to the feeling of chaos and it should be abandoned after serving that purpose.
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Post by melbella on Aug 27, 2017 18:16:08 GMT
OMG Spender! Exile is too good for you even though I will always do it. Why can't I just kill this guy myself? So much damage done by his pettiness and revenge mentality.
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Post by melbella on Aug 27, 2017 22:05:53 GMT
Another nitpick now that I finished the book. In the game, it is heavily implied, if not outright stated, that a lot of the exiles who left were security. But in the book, that isn't the case. Security, other than Sloane, is doing their job of rounding up the insurgents, shuffling them along to cells, then to the meeting with Tann/Addison, and then to the shuttles. Where was the influx of security personnel with the exiles?
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 27, 2017 23:57:17 GMT
Another nitpick now that I finished the book. In the game, it is heavily implied, if not outright stated, that a lot of the exiles who left were security. But in the book, that isn't the case. Security, other than Sloane, is doing their job of rounding up the insurgents, shuffling them along to cells, then to the meeting with Tann/Addison, and then to the shuttles. Where was the influx of security personnel with the exiles? Yeah, this is another discrepancy with which the book is superior. Of course, Liam is the one who says that security made up much of the exiles' number. We know he's an idiot, and he has no idea what the hell was going on, realistically. I like how he's getting his off-base assessments shot down as we first approach him in security. "You'd be surprised... You'd be surprised." In other words,
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Post by melbella on Aug 28, 2017 3:54:27 GMT
Here's what I don't get from the insurgents' point of view. Say Tannisloane had told them as soon as they knew about the lack of good news from the scout ships. How does that change anything for the better? They're still in the same boat with low resources and nothing new coming in. Hydroponics is still not producing anything so it's not like more rations are going to magically appear and solve the hunger/supply problem. Are they really gonna be any more willing to go back into stasis if they learn that two weeks ago instead of now? No, more likely they are just going to start hoarding stuff sooner and have fights break out sooner over said hoarding. Kinda like Calix and his crew were already doing. It also appears that Site 1 and Site 2 were settled after the exiles left since they are only calling Eos an unsettle-able wasteland in the book. I guess they got desperate enough to try again. Funny, people on the Nexus don't really look to be starving when we get there. I get it's likely an animation thing (no body models for malnourished people) but other than Addison's tired face, they don't really look to be that bad off.
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 28, 2017 13:23:47 GMT
Here's what I don't get from the insurgents' point of view. Say Tannisloane had told them as soon as they knew about the lack of good news from the scout ships. How does that change anything for the better? They're still in the same boat with low resources and nothing new coming in. Hydroponics is still not producing anything so it's not like more rations are going to magically appear and solve the hunger/supply problem. Are they really gonna be any more willing to go back into stasis if they learn that two weeks ago instead of now? No, more likely they are just going to start hoarding stuff sooner and have fights break out sooner over said hoarding. Kinda like Calix and his crew were already doing. It also appears that Site 1 and Site 2 were settled after the exiles left since they are only calling Eos an unsettle-able wasteland in the book. I guess they got desperate enough to try again. Funny, people on the Nexus don't really look to be starving when we get there. I get it's likely an animation thing (no body models for malnourished people) but other than Addison's tired face, they don't really look to be that bad off. Yeah, the exiles weren't at all reasonable. It was interesting watching Callix turn from seemingly reasonable dude to an idiot on an ego trip. It felt like the entire revolt was a result of his engineering team's past trauma; the mental instability (and terrorism) of the asari (can't recall her name); and Callix getting intoxicated with the feeling of authority. If he and his people hadn't ignited the trouble and fanned the flames, who the rebellion have even happened? If the exiles never become exiles, maybe everyone starves together a bit more quickly. It worked out, in the end; but there was so much needless tragedy. There is definitely time between the revolt and the arrival of Hyperion. Kandros returned from his expedition, which the game reveals had run into the kett. The krogan reach Habitat 2 and build New Tuchanka. The exiles travel, trade and eventually are directed to Kadara Port. Sloane rallies everyone and pushes out the kett, and then establishes her rule. I'd say there were 9-10 months, at least, between the exile and Hyperion's arrival. I can't recall exactly how much time I thought had passed during the course of the game, so that's an off the cuff estimation.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Aug 30, 2017 17:36:57 GMT
It just doesn't seem to have anything to do with the plot is my main reason for ambivalence. "The Benefactor" team/person was running away from the Reapers. What is their motivation for murdering anyone once the Scourge crap came into play? How could that benefit them to kill people who could have been useful to get through a crisis? I feel like,if we're ever given the reason, it will still be a poorly thought out reason that lacks all signs of common Sense and I'll be more annoyed with the reason than I would be if they just dropped it. The murder narrative added to the feeling of chaos and it should be abandoned after serving that purpose. I think the Benefactor just wants to be in charge, whether openly or by wielding influence quietly from the shadows, and thinks it will be harder to do that if Garson is alive because she is like and respected by most of the Initiative personnel. As we saw in the game, Tann's hold on power is more tenuous, so it would be easier to undermine him and move events in the direction that the Benefactor wants. I agree that it needs more explanation, though - I spent half the game wondering if Ryder's actions were about to open a Trojan Horse of some sort, and just because that hasn't happened as of when the game ends doesn't mean that it isn't still a threat.
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Post by Garo on Oct 29, 2017 12:17:50 GMT
I really like this book. It covers some plot holes and gives background to a couple of characters. Also it was actually captivating, plot in the game is much worse xD
Interesting to notice how many females are in the leadership on the nexus. I'm not mad, it's kinda refreshing. Sloane is now one of my favorite characters in Andromeda!
Still - W H Y T H E R E I S N O S A M O N T H E N E X U S ? ? ?
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Post by sil on Oct 29, 2017 16:40:19 GMT
A passing mention is made of "two teenagers" in this same area, more folks being busted out of their pods. No idea how pods were assigned, but it seems strange that teenagers would be in the same cell as Sloane and Kandros. I would think blocks would be of similar types - security, admin, etc. If this was a security block, teens shouldn't be a part of it, unless maybe they were children of one of the other security team members? Anyway, them being there didn't make sense to me It makes sense not to have too many similar types in the same group in case of an emergency, you could lose all your best scientists/engineers/etc. in one swoop if their block of cells fail.
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Post by burnsidhe on Nov 13, 2017 2:36:15 GMT
There's no SAM on the Nexus because the computing boxes that would otherwise be used to host a SAM and a Pathfinder (why isn't there a Pathfinder on the Nexus?), are... occupied. By Geth.
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Post by Pokemario on Nov 26, 2017 17:18:49 GMT
W H Y T H E R E I S N O S A M O N T H E N E X U S ? ? ? Wasn't SAM Node on the Hyperion?
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