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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 16:12:51 GMT
I feel a Templar would solidly claim to be the herald of Andraste. The Templar order is religion based. Even those Templars who quit, they tend to question human interpretation or become disillusioned with corruption, but they still are devout.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Sept 18, 2017 2:19:24 GMT
I feel a Templar would solidly claim to be the herald of Andraste. The Templar order is religion based. Even those Templars who quit, they tend to question human interpretation or become disillusioned with corruption, but they still are devout. Not necessarily. You could feel it's blasphemous for people to elevate you, a mortal person, to that status. My Inquisitor, who is a devout Andrastian, has trouble with this and it's one of the reasons he rejects the Herald title. Yes, Andraste herself was also a moral person, but it's easy to say, "But that's Andraste! I'm just some guy." There's also the fact that part of Chantry teaching is that the Maker has abandoned His children, so why would He suddenly decide to interfere? Why now, at this time, with this crisis, and not during a time like the Fourth Blight, where Thedas was almost destroyed? Why would he pick me? These types of issues and questions are what lead to my Inquisitor having faith issues during the time of DAI.
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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 18, 2017 2:32:29 GMT
Got another Rp idea I wouldn't mind help with.
Aequitarian Human Mage
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2017 2:34:18 GMT
I feel a Templar would solidly claim to be the herald of Andraste. The Templar order is religion based. Even those Templars who quit, they tend to question human interpretation or become disillusioned with corruption, but they still are devout. Not necessarily. You could feel it's blasphemous for people to elevate you, a mortal person, to that status. My Inquisitor, who is a devout Andrastian, has trouble with this and it's one of the reasons he rejects the Herald title. Yes, Andraste herself was also a moral person, but it's easy to say, "But that's Andraste! I'm just some guy." There's also the fact that part of Chantry teaching is that the Maker has abandoned His children, so why would He suddenly decide to interfere? Why now, at this time, with this crisis, and not during a time like the Fourth Blight, where Thedas was almost destroyed? Why would he pick me? These types of issues and questions are what lead to my Inquisitor having faith issues during the time of DAI. While a lawful good Templar may feel unworthy of that title, they cannot dispute the fact that they have a glowing hand - so someone did mark them and in religion heavy society it's a safe bet to assume it was some deity. If they believe wholeheartedly in Andraste and saw a glowing woman in the rift who assisted them, then they would believe that this was Andraste. A lawful good would hold the attitude that they know not why but they would dedicate themselves to the cause and would pledge their life to it. They wouldn't be accepting the Herald title for a power grab, but to see higher power's will done. I would think if they were allying with Templars during the flag quest, this person would raise Andraste flag. Questioning why a higher power would grant you a gift does not annul one's faith. They would still believe that Andraste is real and would wish to serve Andraste.
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Post by Artemis on Sept 18, 2017 19:33:27 GMT
Got another Rp idea I wouldn't mind help with. Aequitarian Human Mage I mean that's basically Vivienne, so just check out her approval page, I guess.
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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 18, 2017 19:37:22 GMT
Got another Rp idea I wouldn't mind help with. Aequitarian Human Mage I mean that's basically Vivienne, so just check out her approval page, I guess. Viviennes more of a Loyalist, who are conservative. Aequitarians are essentially moderates who believe "with great power, there must also come great responsibility"
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Post by Artemis on Sept 19, 2017 2:56:31 GMT
I mean that's basically Vivienne, so just check out her approval page, I guess. Viviennes more of a Loyalist, who are conservative. Aequitarians are essentially moderates who believe "with great power, there must also come great responsibility" I think she believes that, though. She's a knight-enchanter and is a mage of great power and intelligence. She has essentially (in her mind) earned her freedom (as free as a mage can be). She isn't blindly loyal to the Chantry or... anything, really. Her one core belief is that magic is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and that all mages and templars must be constantly vigilant.
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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 19, 2017 3:25:08 GMT
Viviennes more of a Loyalist, who are conservative. Aequitarians are essentially moderates who believe "with great power, there must also come great responsibility" I think she believes that, though. She's a knight-enchanter and is a mage of great power and intelligence. She has essentially (in her mind) earned her freedom (as free as a mage can be). She isn't blindly loyal to the Chantry or... anything, really. Her one core belief is that magic is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and that all mages and templars must be constantly vigilant. The difference is that Aequitarians aren't necessarily loyal to the chantry. They believe in doing what's right regardless of chantry law. They're willing to cooperate and negotiate but they have a breaking point, as shown when many ended up joining the rebellion when the Templars became too extreme. Aequitarians are generally Neutral Good, while Loyalists are Lawful Good at best and Lawful Neutral at worst.
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Post by Artemis on Sept 19, 2017 4:20:53 GMT
I think she believes that, though. She's a knight-enchanter and is a mage of great power and intelligence. She has essentially (in her mind) earned her freedom (as free as a mage can be). She isn't blindly loyal to the Chantry or... anything, really. Her one core belief is that magic is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and that all mages and templars must be constantly vigilant. The difference is that Aequitarians aren't necessarily loyal to the chantry. They believe in doing what's right regardless of chantry law. They're willing to cooperate and negotiate but they have a breaking point, as shown when many ended up joining the rebellion when the Templars became too extreme. Aequitarians are generally Neutral Good, while Loyalists are Lawful Good at best and Lawful Neutral at worst. Vivienne isn't loyal to the Chantry at all. Maybe this is basically proving the Hogwarts Houses of Circle Mages BioWare came up with are, well, about as shallow as actual Hogwarts Houses Really, same goes for those D&D labels. So someone who's willing to do what's right no matter what... that will depend on what your character considers to be "right." Conscript the mages or free them? If they think freedom is every person's right, then they'll choose the latter. But if they believe the Redcliffe mages showed themselves to be a true danger to society, then they would choose conscript.
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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 19, 2017 4:38:11 GMT
The difference is that Aequitarians aren't necessarily loyal to the chantry. They believe in doing what's right regardless of chantry law. They're willing to cooperate and negotiate but they have a breaking point, as shown when many ended up joining the rebellion when the Templars became too extreme. Aequitarians are generally Neutral Good, while Loyalists are Lawful Good at best and Lawful Neutral at worst. Vivienne isn't loyal to the Chantry at all. Maybe this is basically proving the Hogwarts Houses of Circle Mages BioWare came up with are, well, about as shallow as actual Hogwarts Houses Really, same goes for those D&D labels. So someone who's willing to do what's right no matter what... that will depend on what your character considers to be "right." Conscript the mages or free them? If they think freedom is every person's right, then they'll choose the latter. But if they believe the Redcliffe mages showed themselves to be a true danger to society, then they would choose conscript. Sorry, I was just using the labels as a point of reference. I admittedly i may not be explaining things well; the only other thing I can think to do is to give examples of Aequitarian mages in the series. I know Wynne and Rhys are actual members. Malcolm Hawke and Bethany Hawks at least have Aequitarian style views ("My magic will serve that which is best in me, not that which is most base.")
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on Sept 19, 2017 5:39:31 GMT
I mean that's basically Vivienne, so just check out her approval page, I guess. Viviennes more of a Loyalist, who are conservative. Aequitarians are essentially moderates who believe "with great power, there must also come great responsibility" Framed like that, I'm not sure what to tell you about all of the decisions. I think they'd have to reject the idea that they were chosen by Andraste due to insufficient evidence; I gather this from the Aequitarian who decided to hear Uldred out and consider his proposal despite not thinking he'd agree with it from the Codex "Promises of Pride." That said, there'd probably always be a tiny voice whispering "maybe" in the back of their minds. Either way, what does it matter? They don't need a god and his prophet to tell them they have a job to do; that much is obvious enough just by looking at the world around them and all the not-doing-their-freaking-jobs-properly from just about everyone except the people who've decided their job is to wreck shit. I think an Aequitarian could do either IHW or CotJ, and if they do CotJ they could either disband the Templar Order and absorb its members (reasoning that the Order was not responsible, but that these knights could be made so) or accept a free alliance with the Order (reasoning that those of its members you can actually recruit are the portion of the Templar Order that could be used to rebuild it as something better than it was.) The one thing I can't see someone who lives by that credo doing would be accepting the Mage Rebellion as free allies: I could see an argument that the mages had their hands forced by the group punishment for Anders' and Adrian's sins right up to the point where Fiona accepts the alliance with Tevinter, but past that point I think the mages acted with great irresponsibility. I do think that rationale would require the mage to banish the Wardens. They had power. They used it poorly. I'm less sure what they'd do about who to leave in the Fade, though I'm going to tentatively say that Hawke is the less responsible of the two and has fewer responsibilities no matter what you do with the Wardens. I'm not sure what to say about WEWH from this perspective, though maybe you could consult what I said about how Lawful Good people would do it? I'd tentatively guess that an Aequitarian would be nervous about slipping into Chaos or Evil. I think this mage would have to disband the Inquisition. They're not doing well at the whole "power and responsibility" thing. And unless this mage is absolutely sure Solas can be made to see reason, I can't imagine they'd feel it was responsible to take even a slightly greater risk of the world's destruction to try to save him. (Actually, maybe they wouldn't feel safe doing so even then.)
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Post by Catilina on Sept 19, 2017 11:33:03 GMT
Vivienne isn't loyal to the Chantry at all. Maybe this is basically proving the Hogwarts Houses of Circle Mages BioWare came up with are, well, about as shallow as actual Hogwarts Houses Really, same goes for those D&D labels. So someone who's willing to do what's right no matter what... that will depend on what your character considers to be "right." Conscript the mages or free them? If they think freedom is every person's right, then they'll choose the latter. But if they believe the Redcliffe mages showed themselves to be a true danger to society, then they would choose conscript. Sorry, I was just using the labels as a point of reference. I admittedly i may not be explaining things well; the only other thing I can think to do is to give examples of Aequitarian mages in the series. I know Wynne and Rhys are actual members. Malcolm Hawke and Bethany Hawks at least have Aequitarian style views ("My magic will serve that which is best in me, not that which is most base.")This is not Aequitarian views, this is a good Mage view. A hedge-mage (dalish, avvar etc.) also can live according to the guiding principle. The Aquitarians supports the Circle-system with some reservations. Bethany never shows any support toward the Circle-system she radically opposes in Act1 and at the finish but accepts her fate for her family/friends.
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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 19, 2017 15:30:23 GMT
Sorry, I was just using the labels as a point of reference. I admittedly i may not be explaining things well; the only other thing I can think to do is to give examples of Aequitarian mages in the series. I know Wynne and Rhys are actual members. Malcolm Hawke and Bethany Hawks at least have Aequitarian style views ("My magic will serve that which is best in me, not that which is most base.")This is not Aequitarian views, this is a good Mage view. A hedge-mage (dalish, avvar etc.) also can live according to the guiding principle. The Aquitarians supports the Circle-system with some reservations. Bethany never shows any support toward the Circle-system she radically opposes in Act1 and at the finish but accepts her fate for her family/friends. admittedly maybe I'm misinterpreting some things about the Aequitarians and imposing my own views on them by accident
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Post by hero11n7 on Sept 20, 2017 21:06:20 GMT
Another idea!... Dalish Robin Hood
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Post by Artemis on Sept 21, 2017 15:49:04 GMT
Another idea!... Dalish Robin Hood So Dalish Sera 1. Give mages their freedom 2. Wardens -- tell them to get out b/c they're a danger to the commonfolk 3. Shadow puppetmaster Briala with Gaspard "ruling." 4. Drinks from the well just so Morrigan won't -- for the People, by the People!
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