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Post by mattig89ch on Oct 19, 2017 20:22:33 GMT
I was thinking the same. I suppose they have Anthem and maybe a new DA, if they don't keep afloat after that, EA may start pointing a gun at them. Im sure they are already prepping the bolt gun. Do you think EA will allow Bioware to make another Dragon Age game before shutting them down or is Anthem their last chance? Can't remember how well Inquisition did, was popular with the games media but can't remember it being as well recieved by the public. Wasn't there a big hullabaloo about same sex relationships in that game?
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Oct 19, 2017 20:29:27 GMT
Im sure they are already prepping the bolt gun. Do you think EA will allow Bioware to make another Dragon Age game before shutting them down or is Anthem their last chance? Can't remember how well Inquisition did, was popular with the games media but can't remember it being as well recieved by the public. Wasn't there a big hullabaloo about same sex relationships in that game? Not sure, I think there was somewhat of a hullabaloo about ugly females and the lack of heterosexual romance options for male characters in comparison to homosexual romance options and heterosexual romance options for females, but I did not pay much attention to it beyond finding it kind of funny.
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Post by Heimdall on Oct 19, 2017 21:31:24 GMT
I was thinking the same. I suppose they have Anthem and maybe a new DA, if they don't keep afloat after that, EA may start pointing a gun at them. Im sure they are already prepping the bolt gun. Do you think EA will allow Bioware to make another Dragon Age game before shutting them down or is Anthem their last chance? Can't remember how well Inquisition did, was popular with the games media but can't remember it being as well recieved by the public. EA called it Bioware’s most successful release, greater than Mass Effect 3 or any other Dragon Age title, so we know it was quite popular among consumers for the first few weeks. They also mentioned it as a major contributor in helping them beat earnings estimates for the quarter. I recall the reception being mixed but positive overall for my part. So I think EA might be willing to let Bioware release Dragon Age 4, but if Anthem fails it would certainly put the studio in jeopardy.
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Post by jaison1986 on Oct 19, 2017 21:58:53 GMT
I was thinking the same. I suppose they have Anthem and maybe a new DA, if they don't keep afloat after that, EA may start pointing a gun at them. Im sure they are already prepping the bolt gun. Do you think EA will allow Bioware to make another Dragon Age game before shutting them down or is Anthem their last chance? Can't remember how well Inquisition did, was popular with the games media but can't remember it being as well recieved by the public. Fan reaction is utter irrelevant. Fan reaction only matters if it impact sales. EA ultimate concern is making money. As far as I know Inquisition got mixed to positive reviews from players. Some people enjoyed the story, characters, visuals and settings while others criticized the boring exploration, lazy cutscene design and a weak main villain. And as for how much Inquisition sold overal, I'm not sure, they don't keep track of it like they do for movies.
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Post by CHRrOME on Oct 20, 2017 13:25:14 GMT
Bioware and DICE are probably the most "important" companies EA has under its wing. I'm sure they are willing to let them fail once more (say Anthem), but things will look pretty grim for them if it happens. At least that's what I think based on EA's previous actions. It's unfortunate that, as said above, there's no way of knowing how well their games did, because apparently there's no on-line tracker like there is with say Steam games (and even then it's more complicated than that because they don't reflect console sales). I think I've read somewhere that Inquisition did "okay" as in good, but not good enough. ME:A is uncertain, but the rumors said it failed to achieve expected sales, whatever that means. No surprises there.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 20, 2017 15:40:53 GMT
Im sure they are already prepping the bolt gun. Do you think EA will allow Bioware to make another Dragon Age game before shutting them down or is Anthem their last chance? Can't remember how well Inquisition did, was popular with the games media but can't remember it being as well recieved by the public. EA called it Bioware’s most successful release, greater than Mass Effect 3 or any other Dragon Age title, so we know it was quite popular among consumers for the first few weeks. They also mentioned it as a major contributor in helping them beat earnings estimates for the quarter. I recall the reception being mixed but positive overall for my part. So I think EA might be willing to let Bioware release Dragon Age 4, but if Anthem fails it would certainly put the studio in jeopardy. Yes, but closing down a studio and not producing dlc for the first time this generation is not a good sign. At least according to EA it "failed". I don't know maybe this was planned from the beginning, but I don't get building a studio only to shut it down after they finish the game. Seems strange to have that be a long-term plan of EA's.
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Post by Heimdall on Oct 20, 2017 16:09:13 GMT
EA called it Bioware’s most successful release, greater than Mass Effect 3 or any other Dragon Age title, so we know it was quite popular among consumers for the first few weeks. They also mentioned it as a major contributor in helping them beat earnings estimates for the quarter. I recall the reception being mixed but positive overall for my part. So I think EA might be willing to let Bioware release Dragon Age 4, but if Anthem fails it would certainly put the studio in jeopardy. Yes, but closing down a studio and not producing dlc for the first time this generation is not a good sign. At least according to EA it "failed". I don't know maybe this was planned from the beginning, but I don't get building a studio only to shut it down after they finish the game. Seems strange to have that be a long-term plan of EA's. I doubt it was planned, but let’s look at the circumstances. I think EA had very high expectations for Mass Effect. I think Andromeda fell short of them or at least their hopes and I think the fact that Montreal had to be bailed out by the other studios after flailing for three years without a clear vision told EA this studio wasn’t ready to be trusted with more content. So EA had a choice, either they stop DLC for Andromeda or they increase the burden on the other studios, thus further delaying Anthem and other projects. Those projects had already been delayed by the work they had to do on Mass Effect Andromeda. I think that was their decision process anyway.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 16, 2019 0:31:49 GMT
Make of this what you will...
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 16, 2019 2:47:55 GMT
It is honestly impressive that EA has mismanaged a license to print money this much
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 16, 2019 11:29:10 GMT
It's like there`s a curse on Star Wars franchise.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 16, 2019 15:08:04 GMT
Okay, interesting update in the article, it seems like this game was still in early development and EA decided they needed a Star Wars game out sooner so they had the team pivot to working on a smaller Star Wars project due out in 2020.
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Post by saandrig on Jan 16, 2019 16:01:54 GMT
Funny, I thought this project was scrapped completely months ago and the only SW game in known development is Jedi Fallen Order. Well, at least I am not dissapointed 😀 Especially since switching from single player to "open world" reboot probably means it was going for MTX heavy approach.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Jan 16, 2019 17:51:21 GMT
When you think about how badly EA has handled the Star Wars license, it becomes easier to understand why people fear BioWare's future. Just make Kotor 3 already - that should really have been a no brainer. At least they had the sense to make another Battlefront (or 2) but they really screwed up the execution (twice).
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Post by river82 on Jan 18, 2019 0:50:56 GMT
A nice summary into EA's mishandling of Star Wars:
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 22, 2019 13:59:21 GMT
I recently heard a rumor about EA’s CEO’s attitude that might explain a few things.
Apparently Andrew Wilson has never been a fan of the Star Wars deal, which was made by his predecessor, and believes EA’s resources are better spent on the IP’s they actually own rather than on Star Wars. From a business perspective... that actually makes sense. Though it’s certainly disappointing.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Jan 23, 2019 0:26:17 GMT
When you think about how badly EA has handled the Star Wars license, it becomes easier to understand why people fear BioWare's future. Just make Kotor 3 already - that should really have been a no brainer. At least they had the sense to make another Battlefront (or 2) but they really screwed up the execution (twice). I think Bioware did try (a few times), given the hints dropped here and there, but were not given the green light. rEAper wants games that milk the cows. That's their priority.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 31, 2019 1:09:45 GMT
I recently heard a rumor about EA’s CEO’s attitude that might explain a few things. Apparently Andrew Wilson has never been a fan of the Star Wars deal, which was made by his predecessor, and believes EA’s resources are better spent on the IP’s they actually own rather than on Star Wars. From a business perspective... that actually makes sense. Though it’s certainly disappointing. How does this make sense from a business perspective? They paid top dollar for an exclusive deal on one of the most valuable franchise in video game history, and have wasted the opportunity by and large. They have as a result earned some angry fans and lost goodwill with many gamers. The whole handling has been disastrous from a business perspective, and who cares what Wilson is a fan of? The shareholder's sure don't! They care about dividends and profit statements. Sell Star Wars. Make profit. Simple, super simple equation.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 31, 2019 2:34:29 GMT
I recently heard a rumor about EA’s CEO’s attitude that might explain a few things. Apparently Andrew Wilson has never been a fan of the Star Wars deal, which was made by his predecessor, and believes EA’s resources are better spent on the IP’s they actually own rather than on Star Wars. From a business perspective... that actually makes sense. Though it’s certainly disappointing. How does this make sense from a business perspective? They paid top dollar for an exclusive deal on one of the most valuable franchise in video game history, and have wasted the opportunity by and large. They have as a result earned some angry fans and lost goodwill with many gamers. The whole handling has been disastrous from a business perspective, and who cares what Wilson is a fan of? The shareholder's sure don't! They care about dividends and profit statements. Sell Star Wars. Make profit. Simple, super simple equation. It makes sense because in the long term it makes sense to develope properties one has full and unlimited control over. Rather than a license that could be taken away at the whim of an outside party. I’m not saying it’s a decision that gamers should be happy about, it that they’ve handled it well, but it’s a sound long term business strategy in theory.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 31, 2019 3:56:22 GMT
How does this make sense from a business perspective? They paid top dollar for an exclusive deal on one of the most valuable franchise in video game history, and have wasted the opportunity by and large. They have as a result earned some angry fans and lost goodwill with many gamers. The whole handling has been disastrous from a business perspective, and who cares what Wilson is a fan of? The shareholder's sure don't! They care about dividends and profit statements. Sell Star Wars. Make profit. Simple, super simple equation. It makes sense because in the long term it makes sense to develope properties one has full and unlimited control over. Rather than a license that could be taken away at the whim of an outside party. I’m not saying it’s a decision that gamers should be happy about, it that they’ve handled it well, but it’s a sound long term business strategy in theory. I guess we'll agree to disagree. Tanking in the short term leaves you vulnerable. You cannot make good on long plans if you don't live long enough.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 31, 2019 9:18:59 GMT
It makes sense because in the long term it makes sense to develope properties one has full and unlimited control over. Rather than a license that could be taken away at the whim of an outside party. I’m not saying it’s a decision that gamers should be happy about, it that they’ve handled it well, but it’s a sound long term business strategy in theory. I guess we'll agree to disagree. Tanking in the short term leaves you vulnerable. You cannot make good on long plans if you don't live long enough. It’s not a decision that leads to tanking necessarily. Especially if that Star Wars games they do make sell well. They may have fallen below expectations in revenue, but there’s no evidence they actually lost money on them unless I’m misremembering. The Star Wars deal isn’t going to lead to the end of EA anytime soon.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 31, 2019 16:41:36 GMT
Ever heard the expression,
"Death by 1000 cuts".
Give me a paper cut, I'm fine. Give me 1000 at the same time, and somehow I'm bleeding to death.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 1, 2019 14:21:03 GMT
Ever heard the expression, "Death by 1000 cuts". Give me a paper cut, I'm fine. Give me 1000 at the same time, and somehow I'm bleeding to death. I’m familiar with the expression. I don’t see how it applies. I’m not debating that EA has produced good Star Wars games or that this strategy has played out well for them. I’m saying that it isn’t a bad one in theory from a business perspective: focus resources on those properties they fully own (and thus invest in the long term future) while creating some GAAS titles to take advantage of a temporarily held license property in the short term If the few Star Wars games they had made were actually good and had not stirred the hornet’s nest of the internet rage machine with thoughtless monetization strategy, the overall strategy would have been much more effective than it’s played out to be.
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