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Post by q5tyhj on May 14, 2018 21:49:55 GMT
Ships over the horizon has been debunked; (20:07 minutes) (1:28 minutes) |
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Post by q5tyhj on May 14, 2018 21:55:32 GMT
Meanwhile, in actual (i.e. non-crackpot conspiracy theory nuttery) science-related news, a new study of X-ray binaries near Sag A* suggests "swarms" of black holes in the core of the Milky Way: www.nature.com/articles/nature25029 ("A density cusp of quiescent X-ray binaries in the central parsec of the Galaxy", Hailey et al) chandra.si.edu/photo/2018/sgra_swarm/news.columbia.edu/content/New-Study-Suggests-Tens-of-Thousands-of-Black-Holes-Exist-in-Milky-Ways-Center"... the detections in this study imply that a much larger population of fainter, undetected X-ray binaries — at least 300 and up to 1,000 — containing stellar-mass black holes should be present around Sagittarius A*."
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Post by Terminator Force on May 14, 2018 22:40:54 GMT
Dodging the question, nice. And sure, I understand, I've been there done that. I too were in those shoes mocking the very idea of a flat Earth... until the day I stumbled upon it by upon it by accident and couldn't debunk it. So if any of you can debunk it and show me the error of my way, I welcome it. Meanwhile, in actual (i.e. non-crackpot conspiracy theory nuttery) science-related news, a new study of X-ray binaries near Sag A* suggests "swarms" of black holes in the core of the Milky Way: www.nature.com/articles/nature25029 ("A density cusp of quiescent X-ray binaries in the central parsec of the Galaxy", Hailey et al) chandra.si.edu/photo/2018/sgra_swarm/news.columbia.edu/content/New-Study-Suggests-Tens-of-Thousands-of-Black-Holes-Exist-in-Milky-Ways-Center"... the detections in this study imply that a much larger population of fainter, undetected X-ray binaries — at least 300 and up to 1,000 — containing stellar-mass black holes should be present around Sagittarius A*."
(these would be in addition to a presumably very large number of stellar-mass black holes that are not part of binaries; Aleksey Generozov et al 2018 estimates anywhere between 10,000 and 40,000) (image from Chandra) Remember...  Mainstream science believes in both these universes. |
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Post by q5tyhj on May 14, 2018 23:35:01 GMT
Dodging the question, nice. And sure, I understand, I've been there done that. I too were in those shoes mocking the very idea of a flat Earth... until the day I stumbled upon it by upon it by accident and couldn't debunk it. So if any of you can debunk it and show me the error of my way, I welcome it. Meanwhile, in actual (i.e. non-crackpot conspiracy theory nuttery) science-related news, a new study of X-ray binaries near Sag A* suggests "swarms" of black holes in the core of the Milky Way: www.nature.com/articles/nature25029 ("A density cusp of quiescent X-ray binaries in the central parsec of the Galaxy", Hailey et al) chandra.si.edu/photo/2018/sgra_swarm/news.columbia.edu/content/New-Study-Suggests-Tens-of-Thousands-of-Black-Holes-Exist-in-Milky-Ways-Center"... the detections in this study imply that a much larger population of fainter, undetected X-ray binaries — at least 300 and up to 1,000 — containing stellar-mass black holes should be present around Sagittarius A*."
(these would be in addition to a presumably very large number of stellar-mass black holes that are not part of binaries; Aleksey Generozov et al 2018 estimates anywhere between 10,000 and 40,000) (image from Chandra) Remember... Mainstream science believes in both these universes. Boy you're just a one-man pseudo-science meme generator today, eh Sinful?  Thanks for directing me to the work of fellow crackpot truther Mr. Crothers, though- very amusing (particularly his e-mail exchanges). But seriously, we should create a pseudo-Science! thread so you can stop clogging the Science! thread with off-topic posts. Then again, you created a flat earther thread, but are still spamming the Science thread with posts that should be going there, so maybe it wouldn't help. In any case I'm not interested in debating flat earthism, creationism, moon-landing denial, or any other such silliness, so you may as well save yourself the trouble and troll elsewhere. Your own threads, preferably. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 23:39:48 GMT
Dodging the question, nice. And sure, I understand, I've been there done that. I too were in those shoes mocking the very idea of a flat Earth... until the day I stumbled upon it by upon it by accident and couldn't debunk it. So if any of you can debunk it and show me the error of my way, I welcome it. Not dodging the question, ignoring it. Also, every other word you say seems to be "prove it to me". That assumes a lot of people are willing to go spend a lot of time for your benefit. The assumption would be incorrect. We don't want to waste our time proving something which, like myself I've experienced. (I've seen the sails before a hull before lol.) I'm not going to spend the next three hours proving it to you, I'm going to drink my beer, get high, and enjoy a show with my girlfriend after a day in the sun. If you want to question your existence more power to you. I'm been there, but I've moved on to experiencing it. I'm not sure you're aware that saying "prove it to me" and having no one take the bait doesn't actually mean you're right. |
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Post by Terminator Force on May 15, 2018 0:24:39 GMT
This is the science thread, so nothing wrong with demanding the scientific method regardless the subject. You guys challenged my science on the curvature of water and I demanded scientific proof of otherwise.  Everyone benefits from a friendly debate. The loser gets corrected and the winner sharpens his argument. I have no problems being proven wrong and am one of the few willing to admit when wrong. |
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Post by q5tyhj on May 15, 2018 0:50:40 GMT
This is the science thread, so nothing wrong with demanding the scientific method regardless the subject. You guys challenged my science on the curvature of water and I demanded scientific proof of otherwise. Except that, as you note, this is a thread devoted to science topics, and flat earthism is not science. Moreover, you just recently created a thread specifically devoted to flat earthism. Absolutely no reason you can't or shouldn't put your questions, comments, trolling, etc. about flat earthism in the flat earthism thread (and of course the only reason you're back posting here is because your bait did not get the bites you were hoping for, so now you're bringing your trolling to a thread with a larger audience). I've also provided you with an appropriate venue to post about stuff like Mr. Crother's silly nonsense- you can even participate in a fun contest! Total win-win: no more off-topic spam/trolling in the science thread, and you still get to post about your pet conspiracy theories. |
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Post by Terminator Force on May 15, 2018 0:59:31 GMT
This is the science thread, so nothing wrong with demanding the scientific method regardless the subject. You guys challenged my science on the curvature of water and I demanded scientific proof of otherwise. Except that, as you note, this is a thread devoted to science topics, and flat earthism is not science. Moreover, you just recently created a thread specifically devoted to flat earthism. Absolutely no reason you can't or shouldn't put your questions, comments, trolling, etc. about flat earthism in the flat earthism thread (and of course the only reason you're back posting here is because your bait did not get the bites you were hoping for, so now you're bringing your trolling to a thread with a larger audience). I've also provided you with an appropriate venue to post about stuff like Mr. Crother's silly nonsense- you can even participate in a fun contest! Total win-win: no more off-topic spam/trolling in the science thread, and you still get to post about your pet conspiracy theories. So people across the world doing long distance lazer experiments on frozen lakes in search of water curvature isn't science? |
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Post by q5tyhj on May 15, 2018 1:17:46 GMT
Except that, as you note, this is a thread devoted to science topics, and flat earthism is not science. Moreover, you just recently created a thread specifically devoted to flat earthism. Absolutely no reason you can't or shouldn't put your questions, comments, trolling, etc. about flat earthism in the flat earthism thread (and of course the only reason you're back posting here is because your bait did not get the bites you were hoping for, so now you're bringing your trolling to a thread with a larger audience). I've also provided you with an appropriate venue to post about stuff like Mr. Crother's silly nonsense- you can even participate in a fun contest! Total win-win: no more off-topic spam/trolling in the science thread, and you still get to post about your pet conspiracy theories. So people across the world doing long distance lazer experiments on frozen lakes in search of water curvature isn't science? If you want to post about flat-earther "experiments", do it on your thread devoted specifically to that topic, which you're currently neglecting for the purpose of trolling/annoying people on this thread. I'm sorry your flat earth thread didn't get the bites you were looking for, but maybe it just needs more content. And it's off-topic here. The reason we have thread topics and mods who enforce them, is so that people can find the topics that they're interested in reading/discussing- when we have to wade through off-topic pseudo-science to find actual science-related content, it defeats the purpose of having a science thread in the first place. In any case I'm done talking about it, I'm going to just start flagging flat-earth posts in this thread, and would ask others to do the same. |
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Post by DragonKingReborn on May 15, 2018 1:18:10 GMT
Helicopter blades turning a 3000rpm is a terrifying thought. Also - good lesson in not being swayed by the headline....I saw it and thought "pfft, losers. How will the blades propel it through space...."  |
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Post by q5tyhj on May 15, 2018 1:23:16 GMT
On the topic of black holes, I see that the Event Horizon Telescope team (the collaborative project using long-baseline interferometry to image the event horizon of the Milky Way's central supermassive black hole, Sag A*), recently released a much-needed status update: "... while the EHT has had data for many months from most of the dishes we used in 2017, disks from the South Pole arrived only in mid December 2017, and have since been properly combined with data from other telescopes. So there has been a long and unavoidable wait to assemble the full data set for one of our primary supermassive black hole targets: Sgr A* at the center of the Milky Way.
... As the EHT team begins to analyze the 2017 data on Sgr A* and M 87 over the coming months, preliminary images will begin to emerge, and the searches for the signatures of orbiting material around the black holes will be conducted. It is the most exciting time of the project."- eventhorizontelescope.org/blog/eht-status-update-may-1-2018The team had previously given "early 2018" as the target for the first images (which obviously didn't happen), and hasn't be super forthcoming about the details, so its good to hear they're still (relatively) on-track. Easily one of the most exciting projects currently underway. |
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Post by Terminator Force on May 15, 2018 1:24:25 GMT
So people across the world doing long distance lazer experiments on frozen lakes in search of water curvature isn't science? If you want to post about flat-earther "experiments", do it on your thread devoted specifically to that topic, which you're currently neglecting for the purpose of trolling/annoying people on this thread. I'm sorry your flat earth thread didn't get the bites you were looking for, but maybe it just needs more content. And it's off-topic here. The reason we have thread topics and mods who enforce them, is so that people can find the topics that they're interested in reading/discussing- when we have to wade through off-topic pseudo-science to find actual science-related content, it defeats the purpose of having a science thread in the first place. In any case I'm done talking about it, I'm going to just start flagging flat-earth posts in this thread, and would ask others to do the same. Again, if it follows the scientific method, it's science. |
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Post by Terminator Force on May 15, 2018 1:27:23 GMT
On the topic of black holes, I see that the Event Horizon Telescope (the collaborative team using long-baseline interferometry to image the event horizon of the Milky Way's central supermassive black hole, Sag A*), recently released a much-need status update: "... while the EHT has had data for many months from most of the dishes we used in 2017, disks from the South Pole arrived only in mid December 2017, and have since been properly combined with data from other telescopes. So there has been a long and unavoidable wait to assemble the full data set for one of our primary supermassive black hole targets: Sgr A* at the center of the Milky Way.
... As the EHT team begins to analyze the 2017 data on Sgr A* and M 87 over the coming months, preliminary images will begin to emerge, and the searches for the signatures of orbiting material around the black holes will be conducted. It is the most exciting time of the project."- eventhorizontelescope.org/blog/eht-status-update-may-1-2018The team had previously given "early 2018" as the target for the first images (which obviously didn't happen), and hasn't be super forthcoming about the details, so its good to hear they're still (relatively) on-track. Easily on of the most exciting projects currently underway. So you saying you believe in the black hole universe theory over the big bang one? |
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Post by Terminator Force on May 15, 2018 20:51:43 GMT
If someone can explain to me how it's possible to zoom in on stars from 3774077489583876.163207 miles away, that would be great.
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If someone can explain to me how it's possible to zoom in on stars from 3774077489583876.163207 miles away, that would be great. You're questioning optics now? You can zoom in on any visible object. The only question is by how much. I am done with this. I love and am fascinated by science, especially when I do not understand it (ie physics). I just do not have the patience to instruct someone who should know better on how the universe works. The Khan Academy has a wonderful series of lectures on basic scientific principles. Enjoy! |
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Post by Terminator Force on May 15, 2018 21:48:51 GMT
If someone can explain to me how it's possible to zoom in on stars from 3774077489583876.163207 miles away, that would be great. You're questioning optics now? You can zoom in on any visible object. The only question is by how much. I am done with this. I love and am fascinated by science, especially when I do not understand it (ie physics). I just do not have the patience to instruct someone who should know better on how the universe works. The Khan Academy has a wonderful series of lectures on basic scientific principles. Enjoy!Questioning is what science is all about. I only asked because the more distance between you and an object, the less zoom has any effect. And while there is an explanation I'm aware about, I'm trying to make you guys use some of that gray matter and spark some scientific debate to better understand our cosmology... as well as baiting you guys into questioning why the stars look nothing like what NASA shows us. Can't be into science if you have no curiosity. |
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I am done with this. I love and am fascinated by science, especially when I do not understand it (ie physics). I just do not have the patience to instruct someone who should know better on how the universe works. The Khan Academy has a wonderful series of lectures on basic scientific principles. Enjoy!I've touched up on my Biology using Khan before. Not much but a bit. (Also reminded myself I'm fucking terrible at math.  ) I've been a proponent for it for several years now. It's a wonderful resource and IMHO the humble beginnings of something that could one day actually change humanity a magnitude of order for the better. (I honestly believe that.) It's the best vehicle I've heard of to get us to free accredited world wide knowledge. When anyone, nearly anywhere, can teach themselves something to an acceptable level that worldwide credit in that field is recognized, we all gain. it in and of itself is just/only a start, but it's in the right direction and building on a lot of education reform that's moving ahead. |
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Post by Beerfish on May 16, 2018 2:40:11 GMT
You're questioning optics now? You can zoom in on any visible object. The only question is by how much. I am done with this. I love and am fascinated by science, especially when I do not understand it (ie physics). I just do not have the patience to instruct someone who should know better on how the universe works. The Khan Academy has a wonderful series of lectures on basic scientific principles. Enjoy!Questioning is what science is all about. I only asked because the more distance between you and an object, the less zoom has any effect. And while there is an explanation I'm aware about, I'm trying to make you guys use some of that gray matter and spark some scientific debate to better understand our cosmology... as well as baiting you guys into questioning why the stars look nothing like what NASA shows us. Can't be into science if you have no curiosity. 'Baiting' is the most relevant word you have used in about the last 100 of your posts. |
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) I've been a proponent for it for several years now. It's a wonderful resource and IMHO the humble beginnings of something that could one day actually change humanity a magnitude of order for the better. (I honestly believe that.) It's the best vehicle I've heard of to get us to free accredited world wide knowledge. When anyone, nearly anywhere, can teach themselves something to an acceptable level that worldwide credit in that field is recognized, we all gain.