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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 22, 2018 14:40:27 GMT
I desperately want to move on from this ridiculous distraction of an argument. The basis is absurd.
The oceans. On flat Earth, they are contained by the great ice wall, or they would spill off and it would be a very dry flat Earth.
This leaves cube Earth, or globe Earth, as remaining possibilities since the ice wall concept is just dumb. Scientifically, commonly, dumb as paint on a wall.
Intuition tells me rough edges = ocean spill, unless there is ice cap on all 8 corners. Dumb.
Centrifuge spinning globe Earth should fling water everywhere leaving globe dry Earth. But we just aren't spinning fast enough to get a good separation, or any. Turns out we spin about 22x too slow to fling stuff off from the spins.
We live in at least a 3d world, I have direct experience with things having depth. Thus, if 2d device shows me a 2d image of a round disc in space that people call Uranus, I can surmise that it is probably not just a weird blue green pizza in space, but something either cylindrical or globular.
The deeper you go with the heavy scientific arguments on why Flat Earth is right, you just sound obstinate and possibly dumber to all of us. Reason being, every single piece of "evidence" has to be twisted or an important concept omitted purposefully. It is not a genuine science, it is a hoax that people like because we are in an era of counterculture and poor education.
Can we move the fuck on please?
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Aug 22, 2018 19:52:40 GMT
But more interesting now, and perhaps necessary, is to clarify what you think "evidence" is? And what role you imagine it plays? Care to explain your thoughts on that matter? Let me ask you this, if today everyday people cannot find any curvature measurement, what chance did those in the pre-light bulb days stand? Why are you interested in my thoughts on that matter? Tell me your relevant point.
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Post by Terminator Force on Aug 22, 2018 21:34:40 GMT
Let me ask you this, if today everyday people cannot find any curvature measurement, what chance did those in the pre-light bulb days stand? Why are you interested in my thoughts on that matter? Tell me your relevant point. Was a lead to get you looking into the history of the heliocentric cosmology. No harm for anyone to do that, might learn something. As for relevant point, I'll save it for another day, another topic.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Aug 23, 2018 5:23:44 GMT
As for relevant point, I'll save it for another day, another topic. Are you sure it's a different topic? Could it not be the discussion we need to have now?
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Post by Terminator Force on Aug 23, 2018 14:28:56 GMT
As for relevant point, I'll save it for another day, another topic. Are you sure it's a different topic? Could it not be the discussion we need to have now? It's history, so maybe more suited to history topic. But alright, you twisted my arm, lets go back to where we're told it all started; The foundation of the Earth's circumference is based off five assumptions. It's a begging the question logical fallacy. This is the foundation of the heliocentric model. Logical fallacy, not science.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Aug 24, 2018 20:56:38 GMT
Are you sure it's a different topic? Could it not be the discussion we need to have now? It's history, so maybe more suited to history topic. But alright, you twisted my arm, lets go back to where we're told it all started; The foundation of the Earth's circumference is based off five assumptions. It's a begging the question logical fallacy. This is the foundation of the heliocentric model. Logical fallacy, not science. “ The foundation of the Earth's circumference is based off five assumptions. It's a begging the question logical fallacy. “ No. Eratosthenes' calculation of the Earth's circumference uses five approximate in-data. That's all there is to this. How could it be any other way? All physical and engineering calculations are always based on data which are not ”exact”, because such measurements do not exist in the real world. And those 5 approximations are all quite fine for the time and means available (a couple of them are even quite accurate). The only assumption he can be said to have made, is to believe the tale of the well in Syene, - unless he had been there himself, of course, which I don't know but don't think he had. And an attempt to calculate the Earth's circumference is of course not the foundation of the heliocentric model. It's rather the other way around. Eratosthenes' belief in a model featuring a spherical Earth is the basis for his attempt at calculating the circumference. He is not making the argument for the heliocentric model by doing the calculation. He is using the model. Testing or applying a hypothesis does not constitute ”circular reasoning”. No ”logical fallacy” to be seen here. Then you phrase this thing as ”the foundation”? Why? It seems like you want to claim that perceived flaws in Eratosthenes' reasoning and methods can make the modern view of the solar system vulnerable? Well, first of all there are no flaws in Eratosthenes' work on this that are worth making any fuzz about. On the contrary, we celebrate and honor the ingenuity of Eratosthenes as an important part of Western history precisely because it's so good. For its time. Secondly, modern science can stand on its own feet all the way. And it does. Essentially, modern science was invented by Isaac Newton, though he was strongly influenced by the classical Greeks, and they in turn by the Babylonians. There was a history. But history is just preambles. Finding knowledge about the reality is seemingly not an easy philosophy. Only one civilization has ever found the key to the truth. It has been done only once. Unfortunately, even though it's the main reason for the West's success, wealth and power, very few in the West today seem to understand it: No hypothesis can ever be proved. Any hypothesis that cannot be tested is invalid. Any hypothesis that fails a test, even once, is invalid. All experiments for the purpose of making observations or testing a hypothesis must be documented in a way that makes them independently repeatable, so that any claims can be verified by others. The only knowledge there is and ever will be, is how things relate to other things. Science is the map of that. Always being updated, never being finalized. But the map is correct as long as it serves your intentions to get from A to B. Everything else is religion or equivalent. The modern model of the solar system has been tested trillions of times, and never, not even once, been found wanting. That makes it a 'fact'. There is no other type of 'fact'.
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Post by Terminator Force on Aug 24, 2018 22:50:38 GMT
That experiment does not follow the scientific method at all. He starts with his outcome, presupposing sphere Earth, why he then assumes the sun is just the right distance and size to produce parallel sun shadows. ie. Same results would work on a flat Earth with a much closer and smaller local sun.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Aug 25, 2018 14:38:52 GMT
That experiment does not follow the scientific method at all. He starts with his outcome, presupposing sphere Earth, why he then assumes the sun is just the right distance and size to produce parallel sun shadows. ie. Same results would work on a flat Earth with a much closer and smaller local sun. He is making an attempt to calculate the circumference of Earth. That is all. He is not making an argument.
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Post by Terminator Force on Aug 25, 2018 16:14:57 GMT
That experiment does not follow the scientific method at all. He starts with his outcome, presupposing sphere Earth, why he then assumes the sun is just the right distance and size to produce parallel sun shadows. ie. Same results would work on a flat Earth with a much closer and smaller local sun. He is making an attempt to calculate the circumference of Earth. That is all. He is not making an argument.
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Aug 25, 2018 16:20:35 GMT
He is making an attempt to calculate the circumference of Earth. That is all. He is not making an argument. Well, the alternative to you not being a troll, is now so depressing I can't go on with this. Have you heard about something called 'perspective' ?
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Post by Terminator Force on Aug 25, 2018 17:00:54 GMT
Well, the alternative to you not being a troll, is now so depressing I can't go on with this. Have you heard about something called 'perspective' ? Trust me, I most likely know more about perspective then you (there's been a lot of footage, study and research into perspective this past year. But that's another topic for another day) Anyway, knew one pic wouldn't be enough to convince you. And below are some from NASA fans using these pics to defend the converging shadows of moon landing footage;
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Post by B. Hieronymus Da on Aug 25, 2018 17:14:59 GMT
Well, the alternative to you not being a troll, is now so depressing I can't go on with this. Have you heard about something called 'perspective' ? Trust me, I most likely know more about perspective then you (there's been a lot of footage, study and research into perspective this past year. But that's another topic for another day) Anyway, knew one pic wouldn't be enough to convince you. And below are some from NASA fans using these pics to defend the converging shadows of moon landing footage; Convince me of what? Everything is fine in those pictures. Camera perspective, uneven ground, leaning in the depth,.. The rays of the sunlight that produces the shadows are parallel enough to be called so. You most likely don't know more about perspective than I do. ...And I'm done with you. I won't respond to you again, other than possibly the report button.
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Post by Lavochkin on Aug 28, 2018 5:10:44 GMT
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This must have come up at some point, right? Way too lazy to go through 32 pages to find out.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 28, 2018 9:28:20 GMT
All this shit about flat earth and all the other rubbish like faked moon landing, creationism is just noise draining out what little sense is left. It's gonna make people dumber once they can't find or distinguish information from desinformation.
And the "argumentation" is always the same. Bringing up inane non-information and mental ballast to drown out reason in a haystack of meaninglessness. Same with politics - there you see lies being spread in countless numbers. Insults and defamation fired in bulk.
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Post by Terminator Force on Aug 30, 2018 15:19:28 GMT
Have any of you heard of scientific laws? Anyway, here's a cool one, the inverse square-law; Fun fact; the word 'flux' has been used 3x in that citation.
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Post by mousestalker on Aug 30, 2018 21:17:52 GMT
And to be serious again, here is the last picture sent by Cassini of Saturn
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Post by mattig89ch on Aug 30, 2018 21:28:23 GMT
And to be serious again, here is the last picture sent by Cassini of Saturn that actually looks like a painting to me. A nice one, to be sure. But a painting none the less.
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Post by Terminator Force on Sept 3, 2018 23:22:58 GMT
No one wants to talk about the recent NASA event everyone is talking about? (Embedded Twitter link wouldn't work, so just posted image and tweet) Chris Hadfield Verified account @cmdr_Hadfield Follow Follow @cmdr_Hadfield When your spaceship suddenly starts leaking air, you fix the hole with duct tape & a gob of epoxy. Nice save, @space_Station crew! blogs.nasa.gov/spacestation/2018/08/30/international-space-station-status-3/ … PS - anyone remember this movie scene?
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