Greedfall

I thoroughly disagree with a lot of that, and that's all I'm going to say. This isn't the place to have that kind of discussion.

Developers have said this is definitely not earth and they were only inspired aesthetically by historical 17th century clothes and themes (guessing the latter is in reference to collonialism.)

I have very little knowledge of France, past or present, to know if they only took a sampling or went whole hog and then slapped "not earth" on it while they weaved some magic in it. I don't know how deep the history will be given via codexes in game either. But the point of them making such a statement is to state that anything that was considered unthinkable in actual France doesn't have to be followed.

I think there is religious differences, as well as cultural differences, and that these are difficult enough to surpass, we don't need to throw in racial and sexual either.

Also, I don't know how long the malichor has been going on in the population, but there was a comment in the Twitch Stream



A massive decimation of the population that sees no end in sight over many years, maybe even 10, can equalize a whole lotta shit real quick. I also got this vibe even before the twitch stream that there may be some envy of the natives. They may have a cure, but I think they must have something else too that the colonials would want. And envy can be mean.

Mhm. Yup. As I said, Greedfall has already scored enough points for me to just be curious where it's going to go, at least going by the trailers.

And while I suppose that's a way to think about it, it doesn't really track. The clear historical tendency has been for populations to become more benign and generous and fair-minded towards minority groups in periods of growth and surplus and economic prosperity, while leaning more towards suspicion and infighting and scapegoating and, as you say, jealousy in times of desperation and crisis.

A massive decimation of the population would not leave the rest in the mood for inclusivity. It would actually make more sense for Amhra to be fleeing the mainland because things are looking to get very, very dangerous for people like her there.

What is Viconia? Chopped liver? 

What is a black woman ? I hate so much such discussions on internet. it's always the same shit with some folks trying to dictate arbitrarily the meaning of ethnic groups. 

Are you one of those that think that all black women look the same, have the same archetype ? The same traits ? That there is no diversity with faces ? I have already seen an ivorian woman that looked like Isabela. I see black women everyday, i've seen a lot of diverse faces and I'm wondering why Isabela couldn't be black. Isabela is even more dark skinned than a lot of black folks in real life lol. 

I also remember an ignorant man, that told me that black women couldn't have a thin nose. And I was like... wow. How many black folks have you seen in your life ? Have you traveled in the world ? Where do you live ? My own sister has a thin nose. Anyone going to Ethiopya or the horn of Africa will immediately notice that a lot black women have a thin nose, like white women. The same for a lot of ivorian women.

Another ignorant told me that all black men had big lips ? The same. How many black men have you seen in your life ? There are black men who have very thin lips, my own cousin is like that, the same for his sister and all his family. I have already seen at school, black folks with thin lips. 

I mean, everyone can understand that white people don't look the same and that there is diversity with their face, why it can't be the same with black people ? I'ts just incredibly ridiculous on internet sometimes. It's especially rubbish for anyone traveling in Africa. Ethyopans and malian girls don't look the same as congolese girls, you can notice very quickly the difference.

As much as you will quickly notice differences between an italian and an irish or swedish...

Another ignorant black man that didn't consider black folks with pale skin, black. Why ? Because black are all dark according to him. Oh god. 

Anyone going in some part to Haïti which is my origin country, will notice that a lot of black women or men have a very pale skin, while they haven't any white parents, only black ones... 

Are we going to not consider them as black, because centuries ago, white colonists slept with black folks and mixing happened. I mean, they have "black traits ", they are just paler than afro-americans or africans.  

I have seen black men with a mix of green and brown eyes, with grey eyes, with clear eyes, with yellow eyes. Geez. There is diversity with black faces huh...

How do you know such thing ? That they intended such thing with Vivienne, but didn't intend such thing with Isabela ? I need a source there, because I don't think Bioware would ever say we didn't intend her as black. 

What I don't like, it's seeing things like she isn't black as a claim because of appearance, which doesn't make any sense to me. I watch her face, her skin, I see nothing that could tell me she couldn't be black. 

There are indeed a lot of arabs, like in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, who are even darker skinned than black folks. Which is hillarious because Americans have included arabs into white people category. 

There are also a lot of indians who are as dark or even more than black folks. 

I mean, when I play a game, I see a dark skinned man or woman, I think people are allowed to think whatever the hell they want. What I just can't understand, it's the type of statement like " She can't be this or that because of her appearance ".  For me, these people don't go out there. 

Not all black have the black features, that's what i'm telling you. Go to the horn of Africa, you will see a lot of black women that don't have these " black features ", they have same nose, same lips as white girls, they are just dark skinned. You can easily find photos on google. 

Because Vivienne is clearly inarguably black, because the devs have called her black, have talked about her being black, talked about designing her to be black, have compared her to black women. Isabela is none of those things. They have called her Mediterranean before. They have never said she is black. And they do not need to as she clearly is not, and the do not need to say she is not,  just like how Sera is not black, even if there are black people that look like her. I do not need to be told not all black people or characters have "black features" as once again Clementine has none of those features yet I still know she is black. 

There are those who live in Rivain and those of Rivaini ancestry (the people who migrated from a group of islands to Thedas and settled there). The latter is what I’m referring to and what she and others like Vivienne are. And we know Isabela is Rivaini because the game and devs have stated as much. At this point you’re just making yourself look like a bigot.

That's an interesting point. Cold comfort to all the jews and foreigners who were massacred for supposedly causing it first though. 

I very much doubt that the people of "France" will have trouble identifying more on the mainland when they start feeling the itch. That sort of thing has certainly never been a problem before.