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Post by azarhal on Sept 7, 2019 1:37:55 GMT
7th biggest seller on Steam apparently. Oh man, getting nervous for Spiders, but I saw enough of the Twitch Stream to suspect they at least won't fail. Maybe they won't be GOTY, but they'll earn back the money they spent. I'm no expert on how many units games sell, in general, but isn't that kind of amazing for a "small" developer? Steam biggest seller list doesn't mean much outside " today* you sold the 7th most copies on the website" (it's 4th for me now by the way on the front page top selling). New releases usually makes the top 10 near/on release day as few games moves lots of copies every day except new release, game on sales and very popular games starting pre-orders. What actually tells you if they sold a lots of copies is how long they stay on the top 10 (i.e. weeks). *I think it's in the last 24 hours. Saying, that amount of last minute pre-order this game is getting is interesting. So many people buying GreedFall when what they really want is actually another ME or Dragon Age game...and they are tired of waiting.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 7, 2019 1:48:41 GMT
I'm no expert on how many units games sell, in general, but isn't that kind of amazing for a "small" developer? Steam biggest seller list doesn't mean much outside " today* you sold the 7th most copies on the website" (it's 4th for me now by the way). New releases usually makes the top 10 near/on release day as few games moves lots of copies every day except new release, game on sales and very popular games starting pre-orders. What actually tells you if they sold a lots of copies is how long they stay on the top 10 (i.e. weeks). *I think it's in the last 24 hours. Saying, that amount of last minute pre-order this game is getting is interesting. So many people buying GreedFall when what they really want is actually another ME or Dragon Age game...and they are tired of waiting. Ah - thanks. I assumed it wasn't "all-time", but wasn't sure what period of time it did cover. The waiting is...difficult, to be sure.
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Post by Noxluxe on Sept 7, 2019 1:59:16 GMT
Saying, that amount of last minute pre-order this game is getting is interesting. So many people buying GreedFall when what they really want is actually another ME or Dragon Age game...and they are tired of waiting. Dunno about that. "ME or Dragon Age games" haven't really been the same since 2012. I personally stopped waiting in that sense after Inquisition. No point getting too hung up on what the market looked like almost a decade ago. The king is dead, long live the king?
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Post by obatalaryder on Sept 7, 2019 3:20:29 GMT
Really hope the history of Teer Fradee's natives is explored, beyond just "we were here first and were having a great time until you showed up". A mystery about how how in the hell these people who look so much like Europeans made it to this island before shipbuilding or navigation was anywhere near there, developed a language like nothing heard anywhere else and learned incredible magics would be a nice touch. There's supposed to be different factions even among them, right? Swore I saw some natives that looked non-white in some of the trailers.
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Post by obatalaryder on Sept 7, 2019 3:40:50 GMT
I know Spiders has been prideful promoting that you can truly choose your path in this game when it comes to siding with factions, but I'm wondering if you can fully cut ties with your "noble" family. Being close to your cousin or whatever seems to be predetermined and unchangeable. Would be cool if there's an opportunity to have a fallout with your family and the people of the old continent.
Curious as to how effective your faction alignment can really be in determination of an ending if there's supposedly only 4 endings.
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Post by Noxluxe on Sept 7, 2019 3:44:29 GMT
Swore I saw some natives that looked non-white in some of the trailers. Hard to say since they're mostly hidden behind facial paints and tattoos and extensive headdresses. The only one whose clean face we've gotten a really good look at is Siora, and I didn't even notice her horn until azar pointed it out just now. That'd be really interesting though. For a remote island with an unfriendly population supposedly untouched by any civilization to have a diverse gene pool. How did that happen? I know Spiders has been prideful promoting that you can truly choose your path in this game when it comes to siding with factions, but I'm wondering if you can fully cut ties with your "noble" family. Being close to your cousin or whatever seems to be predetermined and unchangeable. Would be cool if there's an opportunity to have a fallout with your family and the people of the old continent. Curious as to how effective your faction alignment can really be in determination of an ending if there's supposedly only 4 endings. Yeah. In those Pocahontas/Kevin Costner stories, the invader protagonist is usually either a low-born adventurer who left home to seek their fortune anyway, or a washed-out broken soul at the end of their rope who similarly has nothing left to lose by going native. That isn't De Sarlet's situation at all, barring the search for a plague cure. If Spider is truly trying to emulate the old Bioware model then hopefully that means 4 different major conclusions followed by a slide of more specific ending descriptions detailing the consequences of your relationships and less pivotal decisions. Which always suited me just fine. I got into RPGs with old-school choose-your-own-adventure books, and a concise written description of events after the dramatic finale can be plenty satisfying.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Sept 7, 2019 10:21:04 GMT
That'd be really interesting though. For a remote island with an unfriendly population supposedly untouched by any civilization to have a diverse gene pool. How did that happen? A cynical answer will be "because we wanted to sell it in the USA, and get diversity points" But who knows? Maybe they will have some logical world building. From what I've seen, Horizon Zero Dawn was like that. A small but very diverse population.
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Post by Croatsky on Sept 7, 2019 11:43:03 GMT
Considering Berlin is in Ukraine on these maps, I think we can assume they put up some artistic liberties.
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Post by OdanUrr on Sept 7, 2019 11:52:29 GMT
It's a few days old but I couldn't find it in the thread. It provides a decent enough summary of the available information.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 7, 2019 11:52:46 GMT
I know Spiders has been prideful promoting that you can truly choose your path in this game when it comes to siding with factions, but I'm wondering if you can fully cut ties with your "noble" family. Being close to your cousin or whatever seems to be predetermined and unchangeable. Would be cool if there's an opportunity to have a fallout with your family and the people of the old continent. Curious as to how effective your faction alignment can really be in determination of an ending if there's supposedly only 4 endings. Going by the PS4 trophy list (it's out on the Internet), I think saying it has 4 endings doesn't take certain variations into consideration. Also, while being close to your cousin is predetermined, but going by the trophy list, it is not unchangeable. Also, don't read the PS4 trophy list if you want to avoid spoilers, the ending ones are super spoilery. There are things I didn't want to know in advance there...
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Post by Croatsky on Sept 7, 2019 11:59:27 GMT
I can see you've seen my thread on reddit. :-D
Although I made a bit of a mistake there, uh, I kinda modified long ago to ignore PUBG on my store page. So GreedFall is actually 8th on the list.
However, GreedFall is behind 3 recently released games, two of which with mostly positive reviews and other is NBA 2K20. Right behind Gears 5, the very first Gears of War game to be released on Steam and on the same date. Behind The Witcher 3 GOTY that is on 70% off sale. CS:GO championship viewer pass? That's a thing? And of course, PUBG. Which I think it had a sale recently because I'm not sure why it's so up high otherwise.
So with this in mind, it's likely still a good position for the Spiders studio.
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Post by Noxluxe on Sept 7, 2019 13:33:33 GMT
A cynical answer will be "because we wanted to sell it in the USA, and get diversity points" But who knows? Maybe they will have some logical world building. From what I've seen, Horizon Zero Dawn was like that. A small but very diverse population. Well, yeah. If they put the effort in to make it believable then that's all to the good. If they don't then it's kind of shameless pandering and I'll be rather disappointed, true. If I remember right though, Horizon Zero Dawn is set two-hundred years or less after the gestation of the "new" humans, whose frozen genetic material were specifically selected to be diverse. That's, what, six generations? Short enough time for a gene pool to at least retain some of its diversity. The natives in Greedfall have probably been there a lot longer.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Sept 7, 2019 13:35:41 GMT
A cynical answer will be "because we wanted to sell it in the USA, and get diversity points" But who knows? Maybe they will have some logical world building. From what I've seen, Horizon Zero Dawn was like that. A small but very diverse population. Well, yeah. If they put the effort in to make it believable then that's all to the good. If they don't then it's kind of shameless pandering and I'll be rather disappointed, true. If I remember right though, Horizon Zero Dawn is set two-hundred years or less after the gestation of the "new" humans, whose frozen genetic material were specifically selected to be diverse. That's, what, six generations? Short enough time for a gene pool to at least retain some of its diversity. The natives in Greedfall have probably been there a lot longer. Oh ok, I havent played HZD, just watched a lets play. I guess that makes sense.
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Post by Croatsky on Sept 7, 2019 16:25:04 GMT
Also was it stated how far is the island from the old world continent? It's possible there were many past voyages that found that island, but never came back so were thought lost at sea and forgetting to history.
Hell, the Scandinavian expedition to Greenland and Newfoundland in real history did come back but were forgotten too until centuries after Columbus discovered Carrabiens. Now, of course, these Scandinavians didn't leave any prints in the Native American gene pool, but such things did happen on smaller local scales with Greeks and Chinese all over Central Asia. So in a fictional world, you can make it happen just more exaggerated in scale.
Although whole gene science would be out of place in GreedFall, however, there could be some obscure oral history from some native tribe about "our people came from the sea long ago" or even some archeological evidence in some caves or something.
I am not saying this is what game will do, but damn would I hit a Bingo if they do. Or at least, if there will be any, in future expansions.
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Post by Ajna on Sept 7, 2019 16:58:14 GMT
Only just found out about this, I'm so in!
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Post by Croatsky on Sept 7, 2019 18:41:52 GMT
It's globally the 4th top-selling game on Steam now! It's unlikely gonna be number 1 as it's released on the same day as Gears 5, but still a good result for Spiders studio!
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Post by azarhal on Sept 7, 2019 18:57:54 GMT
It's globally the 4th top-selling game on Steam now! It's unlikely gonna be number 1 as it's released on the same day as Gears 5, but still a good result for Spiders studio! Gear of War has a normal and ultimate edition, that might be why it shows twice despite listing the same price on the list for both entries. GreedFall is first in the normal list for me (there is two top sellers list on Steam, on the main page it's regional revenue, the Global is worldwide revenue) which means it has been outselling some big games in the last few hours in my region. If the reviews are > 80%, I expect the game to sell a few millions...and Spiders is now going to be a "known" studio too.
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Post by Croatsky on Sept 7, 2019 19:49:54 GMT
If this game is a financial and critical success, and right now early impressions suggest the game is amazing, this might be the breakout moment for Spiders studio.
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Post by saandrig on Sept 7, 2019 20:52:59 GMT
If this game is a financial and critical success, and right now early impressions suggest the game is amazing, this might be the breakout moment for Spiders studio. They have building it slow and steady over the past 10 years, trying to make the best with the limited resources they had. And I think they will deserve the success. This game could manage to land into the 80+ scores if reviewers don't play too hard the "omg, no AAA graphics and animations" card.
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Post by OdanUrr on Sept 7, 2019 21:47:40 GMT
This game could manage to land into the 80+ scores if reviewers don't play too hard the "omg, no AAA graphics and animations" card. "No ray-tracing in 2019?! 0/10."
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Post by Croatsky on Sept 7, 2019 22:04:08 GMT
Wow, only around 30 people are developing GreedFall? I'm very impressed!
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Post by saandrig on Sept 7, 2019 22:15:48 GMT
This game could manage to land into the 80+ scores if reviewers don't play too hard the "omg, no AAA graphics and animations" card. "No ray-tracing in 2019?! 0/10." It runs without special pro tweaks on a 5 year old hardware? 0/10
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Post by slimgrin727 on Sept 7, 2019 22:33:20 GMT
Several Twitch channels are now streaming it. People are asking for impressions and its positive. I might watch for a bit to get a feel for the game.
Man this game looks so much better than their previous ones. Great voice acting, good dialog so far. The game looks really damn good graphically.
Awesome, it has a day night cycle. 4 difficulty settings.
Combat looks like a blend of TW3 and Dragon's Dogma.
There's no minimap, which is a drawback imo.
The environment is lacking in ambient life, ie; wild animals and the like. You hear them but you never see them. Probably engine constraints. Like Dragon's Dogma, your companions repeat the same lines during combat to the point of being a bit comical. They should patch an option in to shut them up.
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Post by OdanUrr on Sept 7, 2019 22:40:29 GMT
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 7, 2019 23:25:11 GMT
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