[Day/Night Game] Trouble on the Citadel - round "LE Part 2: Why Cerberus Is Right For You"

This was the mess called round 1 voting.

Space vs fyli (never changed the vote after)
titt vs pela (random)
serza vs fyli (bandwagon)

note: (dad asking pela why she's not defending herself)

dad vs fyli (bandwagon)

addoniel vs titt
romice vs dad

fyli defends - bandwagon 2 starts

serza from fyli to pela
pela vs serza
dad from fyli to titt
pela from serza to titt

note: (dad defends romice)

titt defends - bandwagon 3 starts

adonniel from titt to Obsid
fyli vs smiles
smiles vs titt

note: (pela and titt make a deal)

pela from titt to Obsid
titt from pela to Obsid

gerva vs smiles

bandwagon 4 begins

dad from titt to smiles
Obsid vs smiles
Obsid from smiles to adonniel
romice from dad to smiles
serza from pela to smiles

gervaise21

Actually, this round I find Pela and romice a lot more suspicious than OG based on the fact that I know zero about them.

OG I am giving the benefit of the doubt, but he is claiming a floating role, a convenient one that would persuade people not to vote them. I cannot trust floating roles in general, unless like fylimar proof appeared. It is my preference to test the validity of floating than garrus/lia/mer. Of course player behaviour affects this.

Actually, I do find the manner in which dad defends himself strange, but last round you cast suspicion on me that a few players seem to be following my votes eagerly. I might be confusing him with someone else but dad stated how he also thinks it's suspicious. So, if he found it suspicious than he could have investigated me. Then again, telling me that I'm innocent is more likely to raise my suspicions because it's difficult to contradict my role claim, and it isn't exactly useful to me to narrow down the suspects because I know I'm innocent.

Mind you, I finally noticed your Sherlock clue from voting 1, so if you are a Clone you might be after Liara yourself and I have no idea which side you will join. I also have reasons to suspect you might believe dad but want their role.

However, while I do not fully trust EC due to their undecided alignment, in this game I'm inclined to believe your role claim to be genuine since it's a new role and I feel it would be included in the game.

So, I will be changing a vote from you towards Pela, romice or most likely Serza.

Yea, idk what's with casting suspicion of fyli or Titt. They're the only ones I don't suspect.

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I'm most inclined to vote Serza based on a few oddball moments.

For example, at the start of the game I complained during the night time how my Shepard can't hit the blasted evil toasters with any other weapons except for the pistols. And then the night story Dragon put up said that assassins used pistols (and Dragon said in later post that assassins asked her to use this weapon intentionally). This sounds like some kind of a goofball idea to frame me. Guess who named himself the Orlesiest Grinch in our DA day/night game to frame YOU?

This framing business sounds like Serza type of joke/shenanigans.

I'm kinda thinking to change from you to Serza and I most likely will.

Oh, sure. I'm framing you because the agents used a pistol the first night?

How far will you go to frame me, Adonniel?

What's happening, are we too close to the truth for comfort?

Adonniel is behaving rather suspiciously this round...

Why? Because I think you're suspicious?

I'm changing my vote from gervaise21 to Serza

I've listed plenty of reasons why I suspect him during our discussion.

And to be crystal clear. I am NOT voting against Liara claim when more than half of the list are suspicious floating roles. The only way I will consider voting dad is if another person comes to claim the same role.

Gerva You are mistaken again the difference between hinting and avoiding the question. I found you suspicious earlier because I felt you were concealing the truth rather than attempting to help with the investigation through vague hints, not because the hits were too general. I pushed you for a more specific info because I found your avoidance suspicious. Given your role, I see now why you were so reluctant. You didn't want to be cut off from the possibility to turn to whichever winning side. Doesn't mean you necessarily wish to turn evil, but it's best not to be revealed too bluntly with a role like EC.

I found you suspicious round 1, but I've given you the benefit of the doubt and did not vote you because I misunderstood your role as an Evil Clone - and it's a big question whether you were so ambiguous with your facts on purpose as I'm not the only one who misunderstood your hints. EC is a floating role, but because it's new this role is likely to be in game this round, in my opinion. So whoever claims it, I will give the benefit of the doubt. Since I thought you were it, I've left you alone.

You've confirmed yourself you aren't this role. And now you are claiming an absolutely random floating role. This round I will be voting against floating roles which are not confirmed by the game. Combined with your behaviour this makes you #1 suspect.

I don't have 'primary' targets. A spy would talk this way. I have a suspect list and since Gerva has proven me wrong, I've changed my vote due to the new facts. I am consistent in this philosophy. Last round I did not chase after the neutral roles and this round I do not either when there are 2/3 spies on the loose. But based on the player corrections, now I have different opinion of who is who.

I was not "confronted" with a fact. I was intentionally picking at the facts until I got the story straight (er).

Ambiguous with my facts?

WHAT? WHERE?!

I CAN ONLY PARAPHRASE POETRY OR OUTRIGHT QUOTE IT SO MANY TIMES IN ADDITION TO PRETTY MUCH SAYING MY CHARACTER'S VERSION OF CALIBRATIONS EVERY OTHER TIME BEFORE IT STOPS BEING AMBIGUOUS. NAMELY ZERO TIMES.

And the term "primary target" is pretty much standart among soldiers, last I checked.

Fun fact is, I have been consistent with my claims ever since the beginning. Yet you still want me gone. Why, I wonder.

Considering I pretty much said who I am, I think I'll just make a rundown of hints I've given. Not like it can hurt me anymore, right.

I'm not sure of his innocence, but he looks far less suspicious in my eyes than other players. Can bite me in the backside of course, but then the only person, I can completely trust right now, is Tittus, all the rest is speculation. And I only did get your 'you really do not want to loose me', which I interpreted as being an important role and the only really important role, as I explained earlier, is Liara for me. And therefore it sounded like you want to flash her out.
The other possibility would be, that you are Wrex ( because of his ability), which would make two contender for that role, if I understand correctly.

If your hint means something else, sorry, didn't get it, I'm a ME noob, remember?

I said I have OTHER ways of finding out who is who. That means, non-investigative ways. Also, Liara if she finds an evil will need to convince other players. I said I won't need to convince.

I get Serza's hint that he's claiming Ashley. But it's a floating role and it's unconfirmed. I don't see why I should trust a floating unconfirmed role. I'm trying to reduce the number of such roles through voting.

It's harder for villains to hide behind mira/garrus/liara. I'm not inclined to vote off such role claims at this point. You should have very serious evidence against a person claiming Liara before casting votes at them.

Well we have roles like Varric and Mabari, except with a different outcome for the suspected party... can they not find out who is who?

In any case all the accusations against me are silly. I'm waiii too sexy and suave to be voted off.

Where I am having problems with the Liara claim is the following narrative:

Dadi: "....If it’s because I have yet to hint at my role, well, I will surely become the next target if I give one. Even though we’re killing it, I just believe my power is too important for the agents to know."

Fylimar questioned why if it was so important to stay hidden the person suddenly practically holds up a placard saying "spies hit me".

Dadi: "I never even hinted at Liara. Where did you get that from? Have you been drinking? Without my approval?"

It is true the hint was ambiguous but there were very few roles left that would be considered that important. Not much point in denying you are Liara having outed yourself like that. I repeat that if I was Liara I would not have made the original assertion.

Dadi: "Well... I feel like it’s important. Lol.

I gave it away anyway. I hadn’t realized a few pages back that addonniel literally propped up a list of who she believed was what. If I saw the previous conversation I would have just given it away anyway. I haven’t been paying much attention to this, but that’s my fault. I can understand people’s suspicions after that."

Again I feel that this is a denial of being Liara. However, the reference to your analysis made me consider an alternative. May be Dadi was hinting at Legion, which works like Josephine. That is an important role since they can sway votes to one person and the spies would want them out of the way. I had ruled out Legion and you had agreed with me, which would be a problem to the person if they were actually Legion. However, it would also be a problem if they were a spy pretending to be Legion since it is a floating role.

So was Dadi claiming to be Liara or Legion? Fylimar assumed Liara because of the emphasis on the importance of the role but Dadi did seem to deny it. I repeat, I don't think Liara would make themselves such an obvious target, nor would they have come forward because they had no need. They were not in any danger and the person allegedly claiming their role was under attack anyway.

Then Dadi started to defend Adonniel, who was defending Dadi. Both could be innocent parties and simply grateful for the support but naturally if one them was a spy they would be happy to encourage the support of a non-spy. It is also possible that both could be spies.

Now if Adonniel is the real deal then I would agree that a shot in the dark will solve their problem but we won't know that until after the voting has taken place. Plus if the person they claimed to have suspicions of is voted off then non-use of ability can be explained as no longer necessary. Threatening to shoot people is as convenient a way of scaring people off voting for you as claiming to be Wrex. Still I am willing to accept that you are who you claim to be, Adonniel, but I am less confident about your assertions about other people.

Okay, looking back at Dadi's previous posts there are a couple of oddities. One I have already referred to:

"Weak. They tried it. *sips tea*" This would seem to be a hint at a character because Dadi then goes on to start a fresh paragraph "No, but it seems like whatever the hell just happened, we got incredibly lucky lol." in answer to someone else's quote.

I asked generally about who might be sipping tea but no one seems to know. However, Legion would not be sipping tea.

"I can respect Fylimar for defending herself. Besides, if Space is who I think they are, that is a 100% random vote. I change my vote from Fylimar to Titus. Praise be!"

Why was this comment thrown in here? It seems out of place. Was it hinting at being Ashley? Was it intended to throw suspicion on Serza?   Can someone remind me, since it is a while since I played the game, does Liara use that phrase?

Let me just reiterate here, I made a mistake with Serza. I didn't realise that the Tali poem was a paraphrase of Walt Whitman. I was showing my ignorance of a great American literary figure. If Serza is stating the truth about this I assume that some nice person who knows more about their own country's writers will be able to clarify this. I'm just some ignorant yokel from the U.K. The only Walt Whitman I am familiar with is "Gentle Ben", which is a novel about a Kodiac Bear.