[Day/Night Game] Trouble on the Citadel - round "LE Part 2: Why Cerberus Is Right For You"

I find this player's behavior so far a bit off, plus they have not been successfully voted off early yet, so I'm placing my vote towards Tittus for now.

They could be an important role, if they are, I'll be willing to switch like last time!

You've practically spelled out that I'm evil just because I was not swayed by your inconsistent arguments and lack of any sort of logical reason why I should vote Gerva.

From my perspective this looks like so:

I said at the start of the round that intuitively I'm suspicious of Gerva, but my problem with that would be me suspecting him during the last two games and being wrong. So, my 'gut instinct' was not enough to cast a vote there.

Since you've made an early vote, I figured maybe you had a reason to vote him. So, I went to check your claim. I wasn't accusing you of anything. ALL I was looking for was some kind of hint or a logical explanation I could latch onto to justify my gut feeling from you.

Instead, I got a bunch of hogwash and this dodgy behaviour  where you claimed that NO DON'T follow my vote adonniel! You claimed that your vote on Gerva is not final. So you want to vote off Gerva but don't want to be held accountable for it. As well as you said that your vote was cast in order to 'cause mayhem.' When I assumed that you are one of the neutral roles casting havoc and didn't vote with you, you got all offended and defensive and accused me of being evil. Why? Because you weren't persuasive at all? You aren't even consistent in the claim that Gerva is evil. When I asked you if you were sure about Gerva and if you want an alliance, all I got from you was a boot in the butt and accusation of me being evil for trying to figure out what the heck is happening.

Since your bandwagon on Gerva wasn't taking off you proposed another bandwagon on someone else, but when people try to work with you and ask you if you have suspects etc, you react by showing them the door.

So let me see.

My question: Are you sure about your vote?
The replies I get: No! Not sure at all! Don't follow my vote! Maybe I'll even work with this person if they give me proof they're not guilty! Actually! Never mind! YOU are evil because you aren't voting with me! I VOTE FOR YOU!

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Ok. You're either a neutral evil role that wants to side with the spies and wants to give the boot to one of the most active players or a spy yourself who made a misstep and doesn't know how to get out of it if this behaviour is anything to go by.

p.s. I never said you have actively invited players to join you. I said that in the course of our discussion when I tried to understand whether you had any reasons for voting Gerva, your behaviour and inconsistent accusations caused me to grow suspicious. Don't twist that logic.

Because Garrus would be the best solution, if he's in the game and is one of the heroes.

To all the heroes here, once I 'm eliminated here you'll know my role and should vote for Adonniel next day if Garrus doesn't get her this night.

Just on which basis are you DEMANDING that Garrus shoots me? What for?

This isn't the first time by far when a player has accidentally voted against someone who has been eliminated. Yet, nobody has been accused on an evil plot before except me. Why am I special? Because I can poke fun of my own mistake?

My conversation with you in a nutshell from my perspective went as:

Me: Hey should I vote with you?
You: NO GO AWAY!
Me: Ok. *goes away*
You: You're EVIL EVIL!!!

Then I voted you for this and you voted me back.

What evidence you have against me that I should be shot for exactly? I asked why you're voting Gerva. You told me to go away. I thought you're neautral evil role and went away - I kept my vote where it was at this point and didn't do anything to you. Suddenly you start yelling that I'm evil. Only then I voted you.

Why does this merit a bullet in the head? You're the one acting suspiciously.

Thank you.

If he's Liara and has investigated Gerva last night and voted Gerva because Gerva is evil. Then why is he demanding that -> I <- am the one who should be shot? Unless he's some sort of super duper Liara that can investigate two people at once and luckily they're BOTH evil.

Isn't that super huh? Catching two spies in one night on n1. 

If he's sure about Gerva than at least demand that Gerva gets shot. Why is he on MY back?

We will see a very simple explanation.

You're a spy. You got caught accidentally.

Now you're trying to flush out the real Liara just in case they bite.

The more you're saying, the more you're contradicting yourself.

I'm calling a bluff.

Dragon In my opinion he simply isn't Liara.

I can explain why.

When he voted Gerva so quickly, I thought maybe he could be Liara and knows something since a player voting in round 1 so fast merits attention.

BUT - and this is the important detail. When the invest finds someone and checks them. This invest claims RESPONSIBILITY for their vote. They don't decline help/alliance with other players. But, when I tried to imply it subtly, he said he doesn't want Gerva's death pinned on him. (Which made me think he's Di at first, so I ignored him until he started accusing me.)

IF you're invest and checked someone, then why wouldn't you want that elimination pinned on you? It would be revealed then that Gerva is an evil spy and Liara's name would be clear. We still have the resurrection role to defend Liara. Why would you be afraid then that players will accuse you? And he looked afraid specifically of getting blame for Gerva's elimination, not the fact that spies will get him.

I don't know, looking into Tittus's behavior, I'm with adonniel in saying I doubt Tittus is Liara. And I seriously doubt Tittus checked gervaise if they are Liara.

This player has done the opposite on what a typical Liara would behave the first round. If Tittus is Liara, are they acting this way on purpose to throw people off? If this player has, it has backfired tremendously. I'm keeping my vote on them nonetheless because Tittus could very well be a spy caught in the cookie jar.

What a mess. I was suspicious at first of Tittus, because he didn't give an explanation for his quick vote. Then I thought, he could be Liara and try to hide his identity for fear of getting the attention of the spies - as I wrote before, Liara has not a lot of protection, maybe Miranda for a round, maybe a lucky Kasumi and maybe Javik - both too for a round - , given, that those roles are in the game and heroes. Plus his bird comment, which I get now, thanks to dragons expalanation, was a call for help to Garrus. But now he is acting extreemly erratic by changing votes and refusing to say why. If he is Liara (I always want to write Leliana ) and he has investigated either gervaise or adonniel, why wouldn't he say so? Of course his days might be numbered, but maybe there are enough protective roles, to keep him going for a while longer. I was lucky too last Skyhold round. It would be basically the same situation, but here, hints are allowed, while I did bent the rules over there. And if he gets killed in the night, ebcause he had revealed himself, at least he would go out in a blaze of glory, taking a spy with him.

Moonae isn't really on my suspect list anymore. I do believe her, that she just voted random and she didn't switch with Tittus (I thought they both could be spies, trying to take down a strong player in the beginning).

Funnily enough, I'm also suspicious of adonniel, although she gave a good explanation, why she doesn't think, Tittus is Liara. I would have voted her, if not for Tittus strange behavior.

I'm still undecided - I was suspicious of Tittus, then I was not suspicious of him anymore and now I'm suspicious again. I'm not sure, I trust adonniel either, but I do for some reasons trust dragontartare and pelassarias at the moment, so I will follow their lead and vote for Tittus.

Tittus: If you got something for me to trust you, please do say so. I'm willing to change my vote in that case. If you are Liara, you are in danger anyway, because the spies would know, that you are not one of them (maybe not this round, if we have a Garrus or Miranda - both of them of course would stay hidden, until they used their talents)and you could help the cause if you know the identity of a spy.
If you can't explain anything, I have to assume, you are a spy, sorry

Ok, let me think a moment about that. What I get from you is, that gervaise was a ruse to flush out opinions. You know, who adonniel is and want therefore, that Garrus shoots her, which would suggest, you are Liara and found out, she is a role, that can do bad things, if voted off, which would be 2 or three roles (have to look at page 1 again, I know tehre is a Josie kind of role, Legion, and a IB kind role, I guess that is Wrex). That would make your claim at being Liara a bit more grave again. But how do you know, that she could be a spy? AGain, I will have to check the new rules again, if Liara gets both the official and inofficial role, while investigating.
You also think, that the possible spies are adonniel, pela and dragon? I don't get any vibes other than adonniel being always very convincing in her argument. Agreed, she seems to be thick with pela, but I don't get spy vibes from dragon.

I will think a bit about it, we are still waiting for smiles anyway and normally there is a bit more time for people who want to change their votes. You make a good case for yourself though.

Edit: I'm a bit confused again - from the description of Liara in the new rules, I understand, that she get's the info spy or not spy and not the role? That was at least the last consensus in this group (on page 38 or 39 I think). Can someone clarify? Since that is the base of trusting or not trusting Tittus for me.

The diskussion earlier was whether Liara could even be a spy, since all her power does is reveal "spy or not" and not specific roles. Which is a useless ability for a spy to have.

If a good Liara investigates someone and finds out that they are Evil Garrus, then we've already changed the rule from previously. (Not saying if this is good or bad just that it's a change.)

Edit: Say Liara investigates someone who is Good Garrus. Would she be told Good Garrus or just Good?

I think ll end this round after I get back from errands. A couple of hours
Smiles is the only one left and has not spoken up in a while.