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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 24, 2018 3:24:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 4:12:05 GMT
OG and Space Oho gocha. Will do. It sounds like I'm not glitched or screwed up in romance. I must say though, DA romances have more content to them. Not to look a calibration gun in the teeth, but aside from the blowing of steam line there aren't really any other scenes before the deed. They could have added more content. Yea I did all companion quests and got everyone's loyalty. Even if I feel little connection to any characters, I strongly prefer keeping everyone as alive as possible. The toaster made Tali's people look like hostile monkeys. I thought her race to be reasonable and friendly up till that point. My pain in the butt Shep though encouraged them to take back their home planet. That gave me lots of renegade points.  I'm sort of peeved off about the stand-off between the Legion and Tali post loyalty mission. My Shepard's Renegade points were nearly at the maximum, but both paragon and renegade options were greyed out. I had to tell Legion to stop transmitting. That part was pretty lame as it feels like the required score is too high. |
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 24, 2018 4:38:03 GMT
OG and Space Oho gocha. Will do. It sounds like I'm not glitched or screwed up in romance. I must say though, DA romances have more content to them. Not to look a calibration gun in the teeth, but aside from the blowing of steam line there aren't really any other scenes before the deed. They could have added more content. Yea I did all companion quests and got everyone's loyalty. Even if I feel little connection to any characters, I strongly prefer keeping everyone as alive as possible. The toaster made Tali's people look like hostile monkeys. I thought her race to be reasonable and friendly up till that point. My pain in the butt Shep though encouraged them to take back their home planet. That gave me lots of renegade points. I'm sort of peeved off about the stand-off between the Legion and Tali post loyalty mission. My Shepard's Renegade points were nearly at the maximum, but both paragon and renegade options were greyed out. I had to tell Legion to stop transmitting. That part was pretty lame as it feels like the required score is too high. There'll more history of the Geth and Quarians in ME3; revelation of the Morning War. Stay tune for it.  The renegade thing in ME2 doesn't make much sense to me (where the geth and quarians are concerned, considering what I know of their history) but then I always do good than bad in games. The most renegade thing I did was push the mercenary out of the window at Dantius Tower and quick draw on that asari mercenary. |
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 24, 2018 4:42:23 GMT
I'm sort of peeved off about the stand-off between the Legion and Tali post loyalty mission. My Shepard's Renegade points were nearly at the maximum, but both paragon and renegade options were greyed out. I'm surprised at that. I dont remember having any problems with getting their loyalty in that, or with Jack/Miranda, if the persuasion meter was almost full. Apparently you can talk o the non loyal person again and have a better chance to get it.. Do you have Kasumi? What did you think of her loyalty mission, if you do? |
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 24, 2018 8:54:00 GMT
I didn't feel the choice in the Geth/Legion loyalty mission should have been based on paragon/renegade seeing as my Shepard pointed out that forcibly re-programming someone is pretty ruthless. In terms of what would the "good" guy do I thought it was one of those no win situations.
I hope you've fully upgraded your ship as well. All that planet scanning might have seemed really tedious but I was pleased to discover it did actually have relevance to the story (unlike in DA where upgrading Skyhold turned out to be purely cosmetic).
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Post by fylimar on Feb 24, 2018 9:34:42 GMT
Since I'm not playing much at the moment, I still don't have Legion.
I hate those confrontations, they are not well done. I 'm playing my Shep using Both Renegade and Parragon options and the game punishs you for that. I lost Mirandas loyality, which is not a big deal, but still it makes her and Jack look like stupid little schoolgirls, who can't settle a dispute without the teacher. And now I read, that the same happens with Tali and Legion and Tali is my Sheps other best friend, beside Garrus, so I just know, I will loose the Toaster, just because I don't want to be a paladin or a sith lord, but a realistic person. Right now I want to scream 'Screw you, ME" :-(
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Post by romice on Feb 24, 2018 10:33:29 GMT
Since I'm not playing much at the moment, I still don't have Legion. I hate those confrontations, they are not well done. I 'm playing my Shep using Both Renegade and Parragon options and the game punishs you for that. I lost Mirandas loyality, which is not a big deal, but still it makes her and Jack look like stupid little schoolgirls, who can't settle a dispute without the teacher. And now I read, that the same happens with Tali and Legion and Tali is my Sheps other best friend, beside Garrus, so I just know, I will loose the Toaster, just because I don't want to be a paladin or a sith lord, but a realistic person. Right now I want to scream 'Screw you, ME" :-( If you take the right choices during the suicide mission you can still save them, so that they show up in ME3  |
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Post by fylimar on Feb 24, 2018 10:44:17 GMT
Since I'm not playing much at the moment, I still don't have Legion. I hate those confrontations, they are not well done. I 'm playing my Shep using Both Renegade and Parragon options and the game punishs you for that. I lost Mirandas loyality, which is not a big deal, but still it makes her and Jack look like stupid little schoolgirls, who can't settle a dispute without the teacher. And now I read, that the same happens with Tali and Legion and Tali is my Sheps other best friend, beside Garrus, so I just know, I will loose the Toaster, just because I don't want to be a paladin or a sith lord, but a realistic person. Right now I want to scream 'Screw you, ME" :-( If you take the right choices during the suicide mission you can still save them, so that they show up in ME3  That is good to know, but I don't like the system. You should not get punished for trying to make you Shep an individual. I hated that in KOTOR too, where you had either the choice to become a 'holier than though' jedi or a 'I'm so evil -arrrgh' sith and bonusses along those choices. If you stayed in the grey area, you get nothing. I don't like that, I like my choices to be a bit more realistic and a bit less 'in your face'. I have to agree with adonniel, that the interactions are better in DA, not just with the love interest, but in general. |
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Post by romice on Feb 24, 2018 10:59:28 GMT
That is good to know, but I don't like the system. You should not get punished for trying to make you Shep an individual. I agree completely. I'm doing my first renegate run right now and I'm almost sure I won't be able to resolve the conflicts peacefully. I just can't act all renegate with my favourite companions, so I have quite a bit of the paragon meter full. We'll see how it goes. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 24, 2018 11:36:06 GMT
It isn't just ME though. With the friendship/rivalry system in DA2 the game punishes you for being a middle of the road sort of person who can see both sides of a debate. Companions would turn on you at the end if you weren't dogmatic enough either for or against their point of view.
First run I nearly didn't complete my Fenris romance because the game wouldn't let it advance until you were a certain way along the friendship or rivalry arc. In Act One I had been heading towards rivalry because my mage Hawke started very pro mage but as time progressed she started to moderate her views so the meter started to head in the opposite direction. It took the entire length of Act 2 for the trigger that allowed Fenris to sleep with me. Then the entire length of Act 3 before we had our reconciliation. I was beginning to worry it would never happen.
It was even worse when I didn't want to romance Merrill but made the mistake of complementing her eyes early on. Late on in Act 3 her rivalry meter actually hit the point that would trigger romance progression and she turned up on my doorstep thinking we were an item. That was awkward.
Meanwhile Anders' meter had hit the friendship lock early in Act 2 and thereafter he was convinced I entirely agreed with him, even though I didn't. After having this problem with several runs in the end I had to go with being antagonistic about him being possessed and generally rude so I could actually see the rivalry path because I could never bring myself to take the Chantry/Templar view of things in their entirety.
So I agree with you Fylimar that the writers often seem to want to punish you for making your character an individual instead of a stereotype. |
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 24, 2018 13:52:28 GMT
It was even worse when I didn't want to romance Merrill but made the mistake of complementing her eyes early on. Late on in Act 3 her rivalry meter actually hit the point that would trigger romance progression and she turned up on my doorstep thinking we were an item. That was awkward. Same with me. I ended up just romancing Merril (again) rather than trying to see what happened. At least they ditched that for MEA, although whether what they came up with is better is hard to say. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 16:06:01 GMT
I'm surprised at that. I dont remember having any problems with getting their loyalty in that I have both of their loyalty along with everyone else. I mean the scene where Tali caught Legi scanning her omni tool. The ren and para options were greyed out that asks them to calm their tits. Only had standard option. That was just lul whut moment because my Ren score was like over 95% full. Do you have Kasumi? What did you think of her loyalty mission, if you do? Who's Kasumi? All my hero slots are filled out. I've never met Kas in ME2. In terms of what would the "good" guy do I thought it was one of those no win situations. The good and bad choice were clear cut to me. I saw reprogramming as the good choice because I viewed it the same way as that quest at ME1 where we had the chance to kill the brainwashed guys or to stun them and distribute the cure. Went with wiping them out because my Shep is a paranoid blackhole who also destroyed Krogan cure (yep with Wrex in charge). In this case it's evident that Tali's people are the aggressors. As much as I prefer her for my team over Legion if it was a hero pick, I cannot see my Paragon Shep siding with her. I 'm playing my Shep using Both Renegade and Parragon options and the game punishs you for that. I'm planning to do one more game with the mixed choices. That sounds pretty bad that you get penalized for that. I mean who doesn't want renegade points for punching the trash reporter in the face. With the friendship/rivalry system in DA2 the game punishes you for being a middle of the road sort of person who can see both sides of a debate. I tend to be in a grey area with the Templar/Mage debate as I can understand both sides. This aspect also drives me crazy. |
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 24, 2018 16:10:12 GMT
Kasumi is a DLC companion like Zaeed. She's fun but not necessary really. If you had the spare change it might be fun to meet her. Did you get any dlc for the game? Arrival sets up ME3, and Lair of the Shadow Broker, well I guess you can probably guess who's involved with that |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 16:17:48 GMT
She's fun but not necessary really. If you had the spare change it might be fun to meet her. Did you get any dlc for the game? I have Zaeed, but not Kas. I believe my game was upgraded to that three in one game package. I still don't have Legacy for DA2. I prefer DA to ME. If they offered decent sales, I'd be more likely to get extra content for DA2 since I'm missing Sebastian as well. I think there are something like three DLC for DA2 which are rather important that I haven't played. |
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 24, 2018 16:22:00 GMT
She's fun but not necessary really. If you had the spare change it might be fun to meet her. Did you get any dlc for the game? I have Zaeed, but not Kas. I believe my game was upgraded to that three in one game package. I still don't have Legacy for DA2. I prefer DA to ME. If they offered decent sales, I'd be more likely to get extra content for DA2 since I'm missing Sebastian as well. I think there are something like three DLC for DA2 which are rather important that I haven't played. Agreed, Legacy s more important for sure. I never bought the last one, with Tallis |
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Post by fylimar on Feb 24, 2018 16:38:14 GMT
Wait-what? Zaeed is a DLC companion? Why did I get him, but not Kasumi? Since Kasumi was my very first role in this game, I would love to have her in the party
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 24, 2018 16:51:50 GMT
I don't know about you but when I bought ME2 (cheaply as it was after ME3 came out) I was given Zaeed DLC for free but I would have had to buy Kasumi and I didn't bother. To be honest I'd have rather have had Kasumi and not Zaeed but may be that was the case for a lot of people, hence getting him for free. I wasn't really bothered about having DLC companions as there seemed enough interesting ones in the main game.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 24, 2018 18:43:23 GMT
Wait-what? Zaeed is a DLC companion? Why did I get him, but not Kasumi? Since Kasumi was my very first role in this game, I would love to have her in the party Zaeed was a preorder day 1 dlc companion I think, he was just added to everyone later. kasumi was added later as a proper dlc, so wasnt offered as free. I dont remember paying for her dlc though |
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 24, 2018 20:59:27 GMT
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Post by pelassarias on Feb 24, 2018 22:54:01 GMT
In terms of what would the "good" guy do I thought it was one of those no win situations. The good and bad choice were clear cut to me. I saw reprogramming as the good choice because I viewed it the same way as that quest at ME1 where we had the chance to kill the brainwashed guys or to stun them and distribute the cure. Went with wiping them out because my Shep is a paranoid blackhole who also destroyed Krogan cure (yep with Wrex in charge). In this case it's evident that Tali's people are the aggressors. As much as I prefer her for my team over Legion if it was a hero pick, I cannot see my Paragon Shep siding with her. You can easily see reprogramming as stripping those geth of their free will and essentially brainwashing them, so yeah, I think that whole situation is a bit grey/ruthless IMO. Also, since the Geth/Quarian conflict is Grey on both sides, I can see a Paragon or Renegade Shep siding with either side. A Paragon Shep can easily see the Quarians as terrified of what they could have possibly created, how advanced they really created the geth, and the implications of how they been using said creations, and would hope they could possibly take Rannoch back without any unnecessary bloodshed. A Renegade Shep could feel bad about how the Quarians are without a homeworld and how some of them have turned to indentured servitude just to make it, and would want the Quarians to retake Rannoch no matter the cost.
Personally my Shepard didn't really choose a side and hoped she didn't have to; she was frustrated and felt sorry for both races.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 23:03:30 GMT
You can easily see reprogramming as stripping those geth of their free will Didn't Sovereign indoctirate them? In that case it would be returning their free will to them. A Paragon Shep can easily see the Quarians as terrified of what they could have possibly created, how advanced they really created the geth, and the implications of how they been using said creationsYou are responsible for the sentient beings you create/bring into life. The Q have handled this responsibility poorly. |
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Feb 24, 2018 23:45:40 GMT
You can easily see reprogramming as stripping those geth of their free will Didn't Sovereign indoctirate them? In that case it would be returning their free will to them. A Paragon Shep can easily see the Quarians as terrified of what they could have possibly created, how advanced they really created the geth, and the implications of how they been using said creationsYou are responsible for the sentient beings you create/bring into life. The Q have handled this responsibility poorly. I wouldn't say indoctrinate is the right word since geth are machines, not organics and thus impervious to the signals emanated by a Reaper / device. My guess is Sovereign likely captured one of the geth and made changes in its programming, then released it. When it returned to one part of the Consensus to upload itself and all the data it had acquired, that change spread to all the programs that was in that storage thus creating the Heretics. It would have spread further but the rest of the geth not affected by the change would have detected the problem and refused any connection / merge with the tainted Consensus. I think even less of the Quarians after ME3 but everything that was done in the beginning was started by those who had already gone, leaving the mistakes to be carried on by their descendants. However, not all of them are so afraid or closed minded which is why I chose to mediate for a peaceful resolution. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 2:27:35 GMT
My guess is Sovereign likely captured one of the geth and made changes in its programming, then released it. When it returned to one part of the Consensus to upload itself and all the data it had acquired, that change spread to all the programs that was in that storage thus creating the Heretics. That sounds like the equivalent of the organics brainwashing. |
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 26, 2018 1:10:14 GMT
Voting Update: Tittus 1 Moonae 1 Still to Vote: Obsidian Gryphon Pelassarias Serza Tittus Did everyone forget this one with the events of the Skyhold game?  |
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Did everyone forget this one with the events of the Skyhold game? I think in this game the players feel a little bit safer since we got one of the spies and we more or less have clues we can act on. Skyhold probably drew more attention because the situation there is far more difficult for the heroes. Personally, I don't know who would be the right person to vote there as everyone seems suspicious. |
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