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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 19, 2017 23:02:57 GMT
MEA and Montreal scuttles. Patches end in less than half a year and MP updates slow to a mostly preset sequence of unlocked characters. Shock: Casey Hudson returns. Books continue, but the effort is supposedly taken to adapt their content. A little confusingly, this puts off some of the releases all the way to 2018. Should it really take that long? Mass Effect Archives properly launches, with the 'Tapestry', meant to record decisions from the MET and MEA. This is all Bioware says it is meant for, while at least the DA Keep had the stated purposes of being prepared for choices to carry to prospective future games and for players to be able to use DAO and DA2 story decisions for DAI. In Tapestry's case, there isn't a peep about even the idea of future games, nor does any trilogy decision affect anything in MEA but Shepard's gender. Comics finish, with (slight maybe spoiler) a positive tone towards uncovering the secrets of the Initiative. N7 Day happens, with all sorts involved, including trilogy developers, Hudson, and the actors for Shepard and Ryder - "The future of Mass Effect is really bright" 2018 - new MEA product releases, part expansion to MEA (like DAA) and part separate product (like Dishonored: Death of the Outsider), meant to make up for a sub-par experience. Not the DLC that might have flopped in sales, but an 'expansion pack' (or rather just 'biggest non-game content release we've done') that works for at least several months to redeem as much as possible. This is why the DLC was at least partly-basically-cancelled so early (with only word from devs being that DLC depended on MEA response). Plans were already in flux about how people would react to MEA, and the decision was then made to just move on from a more 'normal' DLC plan and instead take it all to Edmonton (and supporting studio) to do it right. A revival of Mass Effect occurs in earlier 2018, putting Bioware back in the good graces of most relevant gamers, and leading into much better PR for Anthem's release later in the year. It even is used as an opportunity to test features for future Anthem updates in 2019 (as Bioware often does). Players are content finally, enjoying Anthem, looking forward to DA 'soon', and feel more confident that their Mass Effect has a future - even if its still in a 'someday'.  *hides* EDIT: This is just to find a fun and very, very unlikely loophole around 'no more SP DLC' and 'franchise on hiatus'. A 'non-DLC' (in a sense, since it'll be titled differently) and 'not a new game' thus not part of the hiatus. It is a 'DLG' (Downloadable Game) that 'requires MEA'. EDIT2: To be clear, even I would be shocked if this actually happens. |
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Post by colfoley on Nov 20, 2017 2:02:04 GMT
MEA and Montreal scuttles. Patches end in less than half a year and MP updates slow to a mostly preset sequence of unlocked characters. Shock: Casey Hudson returns. Books continue, but the effort is supposedly taken to adapt their content. A little confusingly, this puts off some of the releases all the way to 2018. Should it really take that long? Mass Effect Archives properly launches, with the 'Tapestry', meant to record decisions from the MET and MEA. This is all Bioware says it is meant for, while at least the DA Keep had the stated purposes of being prepared for choices to carry to prospective future games and for players to be able to use DAO and DA2 story decisions for DAI. In Tapestry's case, there isn't a peep about even the idea of future games, nor does any trilogy decision affect anything in MEA but Shepard's gender. Comics finish, with (slight maybe spoiler) a positive tone towards uncovering the secrets of the Initiative. N7 Day happens, with all sorts involved, including trilogy developers, Hudson, and the actors for Shepard and Ryder - "The future of Mass Effect is really bright" 2018 - new MEA product releases, part expansion to MEA (like DAA) and part separate product (like Dishonored: Death of the Outsider), meant to make up for a sub-par experience. Not the DLC that might have flopped in sales, but an 'expansion pack' (or rather just 'biggest non-game content release we've done') that works for at least several months to redeem as much as possible. This is why the DLC was at least partly-basically-cancelled so early (with only word from devs being that DLC depended on MEA response). Plans were already in flux about how people would react to MEA, and the decision was then made to just move on from a more 'normal' DLC plan and instead take it all to Edmonton (and supporting studio) to do it right. A revival of Mass Effect occurs in earlier 2018, putting Bioware back in the good graces of most relevant gamers, and leading into much better PR for Anthem's release later in the year. It even is used as an opportunity to test features for future Anthem updates in 2019 (as Bioware often does). Players are content finally, enjoying Anthem, looking forward to DA 'soon', and feel more confident that their Mass Effect has a future - even if its still in a 'someday'. *hides* EDIT: This is just to find a fun and very, very unlikely loophole around 'no more SP DLC' and 'franchise on hiatus'. A 'non-DLC' (in a sense, since it'll be titled differently) and 'not a new game' thus not part of the hiatus. It is a 'DLG' (Downloadable Game) that 'requires MEA'. EDIT2: To be clear, even I would be shocked if this actually happens. To be fair if this plan were to be true it would have to be very different because MEA was very poorly recieved...in some circles...I imagine the first thing to go will be the dialogue system which will require a full redo and not an 'expansion'. |
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Post by Andrew Waples on Nov 20, 2017 2:36:42 GMT
There's a lot of reaching here, though couple things about all this post no dlc thar has me puzzled. A) why is the book being delayed all the way till June 2018? Who's gonna care about the book then? I can only think of a massive rewrite as the book was supposed to come out this past September. The most interest you were going to gather came and went with N7 Day.  the Archives are completely useless, it only recognizes MEA decisions and even then with a sequel in doubts it's a waste of time. You can't even use it as a save import for ME3. It's not unheard of with what you're suggesting OP. Infamous: Festival of Blood, Infamous: First Light and Uncharted: Lost Legacy do what you suggest. |
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Post by stealthfox94 on Nov 20, 2017 3:10:02 GMT
Well I hope you're right, but I'm not crossing my fingers on this. It really felt like EA abandoned Andromeda for good. I get the sense that the only focus for Bioware is on Anthem, and DA4 is on the back burner. I did recently start a bet with someone that we will get another Mass Effect game before we see Cyberpunk 2077. I actually feel somewhat confident about that bet.
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Post by linksocarina on Nov 20, 2017 3:31:33 GMT
I normally use tin foil to wrap up leftovers...
As to your theory...doubtful at best.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 20, 2017 3:43:10 GMT
There's a lot of reaching here, though couple things about all this post no dlc thar has me puzzled. A) why is the book being delayed all the way till June 2018? Who's gonna care about the book then? I can only think of a massive rewrite as the book was supposed to come out this past September. The most interest you were going to gather came and went with N7 Day.  the Archives are completely useless, it only recognizes MEA decisions and even then with a sequel in doubts it's a waste of time. You can't even use it as a save import for ME3. It's not unheard of with what you're suggesting OP. Infamous: Festival of Blood, Infamous: First Light and Uncharted: Lost Legacy do what you suggest. Yes there's a lot of examples of what I'm describing. Its cheaper and quicker to make (1-2 years tops instead of 3-4), due to not making giant strides in tech, design, etc. Either it would be a release in earlier 2018 or at least a video demonstration in E3-season. The point is that it'd plan some of a marketing role in taking some heat off Anthem. And yeah, one big point against this is that N7 day didn't announce anything. However, .... did N7 Day EVER announce anything? I wonder if they intentionally don't do that, in case it inspires too many fan expectations. Instead they use it as a fanbase booster and opportunity to sell merch. There is my small point for this idea that they seemed particularly positive about the fate of the franchise. Yes, it was a lot of reminiscing that can be just as meaningful as as Star Trek convention headline guest, but on that same example, Star Trek conventions with guests continuing to happen is a sign that the franchise is still active and still with the money men around funding things (shows, films, other). What I got from this year's N7 Day is that Bioware would like to continue this particular series at worst, but *insert my idea* at best. |
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 20, 2017 3:50:40 GMT
Well I hope you're wright, but I'm not crossing my fingers on this. It really felt like EA abandoned Andromeda for good. I get the sense that the only focus for Bioware is on Anthem, and DA4 is on the back burner. I did recently start a bet with someone that we will get another Mass Effect game before we see Cyberpunk 2077. I actually feel somewhat confident about that bet. I'm not crossing my fingers either. Trust me, if this happens, my reaction will be more "I WAS RIGHT??!? ..WHAT?" than "Ha! I was right! Take that, losers!" In any sort of framework, I can only justify the idea of this when including 'this is a secondary project to help with systems of post-launch Anthem and then to build up a Mass Effect team afterward', you know? It brings to mind the jokes of EA going "Casey come back! Yes... yes.. we'll let you continue Mass Effect already." I know enough about devs and studios to know that they're rarely working on just one project entirely and it only depends on how 'backburner' the 2nd or 3rd project is. What I described in OP isn't technically out of bounds, to my knowledge, but its also a stretch (even if *maybe* a logical one) that a business would decide to do it. I can come up with plenty of pros, but that just depends on what the situation with Anthem is. For all we know, its very progressed and is just having the Holiday 2018 date because of EA release timing, ensuring it actually has ALL the polish, and has a backlog of work set up for post-release (which ties into how a MEA project could have some crossing offerings). |
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 20, 2017 4:07:37 GMT
To be fair if this plan were to be true it would have to be very different because MEA was very poorly recieved...in some circles...I imagine the first thing to go will be the dialogue system which will require a full redo and not an 'expansion'. Its pretty easy to make a list: -better writing, more appropriate emotion, drama, jokes that hit, characters that compel -better animations, polish the animation process -better conversations, tweak and/or elaborate existing system, reflect both MET and MEA choices to varying degrees -better zones, more interesting and guiding locations, limit or remove Nomad use -better UI, crafting tweaks -combat tweaks overall -don't be buggy... don't be buggy -bring back 'Milky Way' (to whatever extent that suffices) -more prominent soundtrack -brin bak da Quarians!!!1 *fanbase rage* -less padding, but still up to dozens of hours of gameplay -better NPC faces, fix the asari (perhaps alongside a MEA patch) -(further) character creator tweaks -return of cooler melee -different autosave system -squad customization and control Most of these are resolved by a better production and testing process, and well, might have already been half baked but development of MEA ran out of time, and others are resolved in the decision to do a new-not-new game instead of a 'DLC' that has to try to integrate into the main game. With how cheap MEA's price has been getting I wouldn't be surprised if they just used MEA as a platform (new game includes MEA?) for the new stuff, and a resurgent MP. But now I get deep into fulfillment fantasy. But that's fun to do, I guess. Point is, they'd be hunkering down and making something that works for 2018-2019, in Edmonton, instead of putting out constant fires through a post-MEA 2017 Montreal. This would then provide a better foundation in many ways, for a new game years later (after Anthem, after DA4). |
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Post by Sanunes on Nov 20, 2017 4:16:20 GMT
There's a lot of reaching here, though couple things about all this post no dlc thar has me puzzled. A) why is the book being delayed all the way till June 2018? Who's gonna care about the book then? I can only think of a massive rewrite as the book was supposed to come out this past September. The most interest you were going to gather came and went with N7 Day. the Archives are completely useless, it only recognizes MEA decisions and even then with a sequel in doubts it's a waste of time. You can't even use it as a save import for ME3. It's not unheard of with what you're suggesting OP. Infamous: Festival of Blood, Infamous: First Light and Uncharted: Lost Legacy do what you suggest. Yes there's a lot of examples of what I'm describing. Its cheaper and quicker to make (1-2 years tops instead of 3-4), due to not making giant strides in tech, design, etc. Either it would be a release in earlier 2018 or at least a video demonstration in E3-season. The point is that it'd plan some of a marketing role in taking some heat off Anthem. And yeah, one big point against this is that N7 day didn't announce anything. However, .... did N7 Day EVER announce anything? I wonder if they intentionally don't do that, in case it inspires too many fan expectations. Instead they use it as a fanbase booster and opportunity to sell merch. There is my small point for this idea that they seemed particularly positive about the fate of the franchise. Yes, it was a lot of reminiscing that can be just as meaningful as as Star Trek convention headline guest, but on that same example, Star Trek conventions with guests continuing to happen is a sign that the franchise is still active and still with the money men around funding things (shows, films, other). What I got from this year's N7 Day is that Bioware would like to continue this particular series at worst, but *insert my idea* at best. Just to comment on the bolded part. I think they might have announced DLC once on N7 Day, but normally it is community based items that are unrelated to the game. If Andromeda still was active I think there might have been a free casual outfit or something of that nature at most. |
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 20, 2017 4:21:37 GMT
Yep. Point is, I've rarely been on board the 'if there's something important, they'll tell us on N7 Day' wagon. It'd be great if they did, and sure sometimes there's been hints, but I don't expect game announcements. Frankly I was a little surprised they even did as much as they did this year.
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 20, 2017 11:35:03 GMT
I normally use tin foil to wrap up leftovers... As to your theory...doubtful at best. Hmmm, foil discussion good. Theory less so...  |
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 20, 2017 21:11:52 GMT
At least this thread went Weird Al.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Nov 26, 2017 4:37:29 GMT
Ok yeah I have to ask.................Where did you get that awesome statue? |
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Post by michaelm on Nov 26, 2017 4:53:48 GMT
Ok yeah I have to ask.................Where did you get that awesome statue? A long while ago it was for sale on the Bioware Store. It's a Bishoujo Statue. They did one of Liara as well, but I just wanted mah Tali. I think they've been discontinued. |
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 26, 2017 9:19:38 GMT
What's a "relevant gamer"?
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What's a "relevant gamer"? "DAI is worth it now with Trespasser DLC" ones. Saying it online, spreading the changed opinion, making people consider Bioware/Mass Effect again. Point being, the narrative changes. |
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 26, 2017 18:37:53 GMT
Tinfoil conspiracies are usually negative. This is more like a rose-colored glasses scenario. Or a utopian dream.
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Post by SwobyJ on Nov 26, 2017 23:51:35 GMT
Tinfoil conspiracies are usually negative. This is more like a rose-colored glasses scenario. Or a utopian dream. Eh its more that they seem needlessly convoluted - like the essays of 'logic' of a tin foil hat somehow blocking alien signals. |
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Post by pessimistpanda on Nov 27, 2017 11:29:03 GMT
With the way my life is going, at this rate I'm gonna do a jack knife off the roof of my apartment building before "early 2018", so I don't really care what BioWare does anymore.
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Post by link2twenty on Nov 27, 2017 12:06:59 GMT
As much as I'd love this to be true, and I really would, I doubt we'll hear anything about a new ME title/effort until after Anthem is out. The focus will shift to Dragon Age being the game they're working on and Mass Effect will be there in the background effort.
I still hold that we will see a Mass Effect game after Dragon Age, though I have no idea how long that will take.
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Post by Monica21 on Nov 27, 2017 13:29:30 GMT
Its pretty easy to make a list: -better writing, more appropriate emotion, drama, jokes that hit, characters that compel -better animations, polish the animation process -better conversations, tweak and/or elaborate existing system, reflect both MET and MEA choices to varying degrees -better zones, more interesting and guiding locations, limit or remove Nomad use -better UI, crafting tweaks -combat tweaks overall -don't be buggy... don't be buggy -bring back 'Milky Way' (to whatever extent that suffices) -more prominent soundtrack -brin bak da Quarians!!!1 *fanbase rage* -less padding, but still up to dozens of hours of gameplay -better NPC faces, fix the asari (perhaps alongside a MEA patch) -(further) character creator tweaks -return of cooler melee -different autosave system -squad customization and control I agree with a lot of this, but not the Milky Way or acknowledging the OT in any way, other than what was already done. I may be in the minority, but I was happy that the series took us away from the Milky Way. You'd have to find a plot 500 years in the future where the relays have been repaired and the galaxy has some level of stability, otherwise you're playing The Expanse Video Game. (Which would not be terrible but is also not Mass Effect.) And Bioware would have to create a canon end to ME3, and they don't want to do that and I don't want them to do that. Also, "cooler melee"? My second playthrough I had a melee build with Pull and a Krogan Hammer, and it was way cool. My favorite combat build. Overall, I really like Andromeda though. I don't think much needed to be changed or tweaked, and I'm perfectly happy in a sector of space that doesn't include Quarians. |
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the Archives are completely useless, it only recognizes MEA decisions and even then with a sequel in doubts it's a waste of time. You can't even use it as a save import for ME3. It's not unheard of with what you're suggesting OP. Infamous: Festival of Blood, Infamous: First Light and Uncharted: Lost Legacy do what you suggest. 
the Archives are completely useless, it only recognizes MEA decisions and even then with a sequel in doubts it's a waste of time. You can't even use it as a save import for ME3. It's not unheard of with what you're suggesting OP. Infamous: Festival of Blood, Infamous: First Light and Uncharted: Lost Legacy do what you suggest. 
