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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Dec 7, 2017 6:50:12 GMT
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5140165/Detroit-Human-video-game-branded-repulsive.htmlwww.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-12-04-detroit-become-human-under-fire-for-controversial-domestic-abuse-sceneOk where to start, I do not like Quantic Dream, I think David Cage is a hack and I think his work sucks, but should his work be censored to save people from having to sit through pretentious bullshit? Ok ok that is not what this is about, apparently some groups in the UK are causing a stir over the child abuse scene where the player has to either stop the deadbeat dad from killing his daughter or letting it happen, however while I don't think David Cage has the writing or directorial chops to be able to pull off this scene with any sort of nuance I don't think his work should be censored either. Of course this is all being done to protect the children however while it may be true that there are a lot of younger people under the age of 18 who do play 18+ video games (still a bullshit argument as ultimately the responsibility comes down to the parents that allow their children access to these games) I do find myself wondering what sort of kid would even want to play a Quantic Dream game? Not a dig at the games quality either, not sure how many young people are really looking for these types of games. It really irritates me when I see people calling for censorship and it boggles my mind when the stuff getting censored in video games is really quite tame compared to some of the stuff you can see in movies, personally I wish we could live in a world where instead of calling for censorship whenever something offends your delicate sensibilities people could just could just say "well this isn't for me" and ignore it, thats what I plan to do with Detroit (though obviously for other reasons), well I will probably still make fun of David Cage and call his games shit but just because I don't like them does not mean they don't have a right to exist. That said I must admit I did get a kick out of this quote from the Daily Mail article Apparently they haven't seen a David Cage interview before.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2017 8:35:50 GMT
Ok ok that is not what this is about, apparently some groups in the UK are causing a stir over the child abuse scene where the player has to either stop the deadbeat dad from killing his daughter or letting it happen, however while I don't think David Cage has the writing or directorial chops to be able to pull off this scene with any sort of nuance I don't think his work should be censored either. Not everything has nuance. Child abuse for example is evil, plain and simple with no possibility of grey.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Dec 7, 2017 9:02:09 GMT
Ok ok that is not what this is about, apparently some groups in the UK are causing a stir over the child abuse scene where the player has to either stop the deadbeat dad from killing his daughter or letting it happen, however while I don't think David Cage has the writing or directorial chops to be able to pull off this scene with any sort of nuance I don't think his work should be censored either. Not everything has nuance. Child abuse for example is evil, plain and simple with no possibility of grey. The definition of nuance I have has nothing to do with finding a middle ground but rather about having a more refined touch being able to portray something meaningfully instead of with fists made of ham, maybe you could argue the scene is supposed to be in your face shock value and needs to be this way to portray the true horribleness of the act but then that is not the point of the thread nor are quibbling differences in dictionary definitions, the point of the thread is to talk about censorship and how much David Cage sucks.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 7, 2017 9:15:28 GMT
What I've heard was that some media outlet approached a couple of lobby organisations against child abuse and asked them out of context questions about depicting child abuse in video games. What would they answer? That they are completely OK with abuse in games? Imo, it was a fucking trick question for clicks.
The game isn't even out, yet. There is basically no way to tell whether it's treating the topic in a meaningful way or just for lulz. I guess they shoot for a decent narrative, though.
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Post by linksocarina on Dec 7, 2017 9:39:45 GMT
Ok ok that is not what this is about, apparently some groups in the UK are causing a stir over the child abuse scene where the player has to either stop the deadbeat dad from killing his daughter or letting it happen, however while I don't think David Cage has the writing or directorial chops to be able to pull off this scene with any sort of nuance I don't think his work should be censored either. Not everything has nuance. Child abuse for example is evil, plain and simple with no possibility of grey. True, but is the game really framing it any other way? The actions of the player vs the actions on screen say more about the players morality anything else no?
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Dec 7, 2017 9:49:42 GMT
What I've heard was that some media outlet approached a couple of lobby organisations against child abuse and asked them out of context questions about depicting child abuse in video games. What would they answer? That they are completely OK with abuse in games? Imo, it was a fucking trick question for clicks. Well that is a pretty crappy thing to do however considering how seriously journalists take journalistic ethics these days it wouldn't really be surprising if they did do that. Mostly going off his previous work but cmon it is David Cage we are talking about here, you can pretty much tell what is going to happen as soon as you see the deadbeat father who looks like the stereotype of every wife beater and sex offender everywhere, to be honest I am surprised he did not rape the android though to be fair there is still a good chance that will happen in typical David Cage style with an awkward sex scene where the fat disgusting blob craws on top of her and has his way with her while she lies there motionless.
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Post by Dark King on Dec 7, 2017 9:57:02 GMT
If you don't want your kid to be exposed to certain content then don't buy the game for them. That's what my parents did why is it so hard for other people to do this?
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Post by jaison1986 on Dec 7, 2017 9:59:47 GMT
What I've heard was that some media outlet approached a couple of lobby organisations against child abuse and asked them out of context questions about depicting child abuse in video games. What would they answer? That they are completely OK with abuse in games? Imo, it was a fucking trick question for clicks. Well that is a pretty crappy thing to do however considering how seriously journalists take journalistic ethics these days it wouldn't really be surprising if they did do that. Mostly going off his previous work but cmon it is David Cage we are talking about here, you can pretty much tell what is going to happen as soon as you see the deadbeat father who looks like the stereotype of every wife beater and sex offender everywhere, to be honest I am surprised he did not rape the android though to be fair there is still a good chance that will happen in typical David Cage style with an awkward sex scene where the fat disgusting blob craws on top of her and has his way with her while she lies there motionless. Nah, they will save it for when the android chick meets an android guy and they learn about love by making sweet emotionless sex. I shit you not, that's probally gonna happen considering Cage brilliant writing. As for the matter at hand, this is just a cheap attempt of virtue signaling for child abuse from some british politicians (I wonder if they were this outraged when the story of rape gangs were attacking underaged girls in the UK came out?). From all I seen of the gameplay trailer, the whole situation in no way tries to normalize or bring satisfaction from the player by seeing a child being abused or killed.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 7, 2017 10:06:29 GMT
What I've heard was that some media outlet approached a couple of lobby organisations against child abuse and asked them out of context questions about depicting child abuse in video games. What would they answer? That they are completely OK with abuse in games? Imo, it was a fucking trick question for clicks. Well that is a pretty crappy thing to do however considering how seriously journalists take journalistic ethics these days it wouldn't really be surprising if they did do that. Mostly going off his previous work but cmon it is David Cage we are talking about here, you can pretty much tell what is going to happen as soon as you see the deadbeat father who looks like the stereotype of every wife beater and sex offender everywhere, to be honest I am surprised he did not rape the android though to be fair there is still a good chance that will happen in typical David Cage style with an awkward sex scene where the fat disgusting blob craws on top of her and has his way with her while she lies there motionless. I don't think David Cage rings an immediate bell with me right now.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Dec 7, 2017 10:06:58 GMT
Well that is a pretty crappy thing to do however considering how seriously journalists take journalistic ethics these days it wouldn't really be surprising if they did do that. Mostly going off his previous work but cmon it is David Cage we are talking about here, you can pretty much tell what is going to happen as soon as you see the deadbeat father who looks like the stereotype of every wife beater and sex offender everywhere, to be honest I am surprised he did not rape the android though to be fair there is still a good chance that will happen in typical David Cage style with an awkward sex scene where the fat disgusting blob craws on top of her and has his way with her while she lies there motionless. Nah, they will save it for when the android chick meets an android guy and they learn about love by making sweet emotionless sex. I shit you not, that's probally gonna happen considering Cage brilliant writing. Oh yeah that scene is like 99.99% confirmed to be in the game, but I think there is still like a 60% to 80% chance that the scene I described or something similar will happen as well.
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Post by Gandalf the Fabulous on Dec 7, 2017 10:07:54 GMT
Well that is a pretty crappy thing to do however considering how seriously journalists take journalistic ethics these days it wouldn't really be surprising if they did do that. Mostly going off his previous work but cmon it is David Cage we are talking about here, you can pretty much tell what is going to happen as soon as you see the deadbeat father who looks like the stereotype of every wife beater and sex offender everywhere, to be honest I am surprised he did not rape the android though to be fair there is still a good chance that will happen in typical David Cage style with an awkward sex scene where the fat disgusting blob craws on top of her and has his way with her while she lies there motionless. I don't think David Cage rings an immediate bell with me right now. Most know him for Heavy Rain if that rings any bells.
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Post by jaison1986 on Dec 7, 2017 10:14:38 GMT
I don't think David Cage rings an immediate bell with me right now. Most know him for Heavy Rain if that rings any bells. And Indigo Prophecy. An murder investigation turns into a matrix movie and it culminates with a chick fucking a corpse. Good ol' days.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 7, 2017 10:14:48 GMT
I don't think David Cage rings an immediate bell with me right now. Most know him for Heavy Rain if that rings any bells. Nope, but I know Fahrenheit. Had to oogle him. Game started out interesting, then it was just a QT fest. Terrible. They gotta step up their storytelling from that level for something serious. Just my opinion.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 7, 2017 10:15:56 GMT
Most know him for Heavy Rain if that rings any bells. And Indigo Prophecy. An murder investigation turns into a matrix movie and it culminates with a chick fucking a corpse. Good ol' days. Wasn't that in Fahrenheit, too? Edit: Indigo Prophecy is Fahrenheit just for NA. So I guess it's the same corpse fucking.
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Post by vonuber on Dec 7, 2017 10:51:13 GMT
People do realise this is the daily mail?
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Post by Serza on Dec 7, 2017 11:34:08 GMT
People do realise this is the daily mail? Are they something like Novinky.cz or Blesk?
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Post by phoray on Dec 7, 2017 11:41:39 GMT
From all I seen of the gameplay trailer, the whole situation in no way tries to normalize or bring satisfaction from the player by seeing a child being abused or killed. What I recall from the trailer is that you can't even witness the abuse, just hear it. And as soon as you intervene, it stops.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 11:54:10 GMT
Quickly! Someone inform those groups about Meg from Family Guy. That should keep them busy long enough for the game to be released.
(Lets keep quiet about the Simpsons for the time being.)
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 7, 2017 17:21:46 GMT
And shit like this is exactly why I'm not cheering for legislation against LB and MT due to reason like "won't someone think of the children?". I have no interest in playing that game, but censoring it because it has an unpleasant scene in it?... It's a bit like records playing backwards to spot some unintelligble satanic message?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 17:41:06 GMT
I would rather the focus was on relieving the suffering of real children around the world and trying to implement global policies that will eventually reverse the depreciation of human life. Won't play this game, or Witcher or GTA, as not my cup of tea, but the rating and the warning does the job imo in all these cases.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Dec 7, 2017 18:10:43 GMT
I thought the UK was done with video nasties?
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Post by Hawke on Dec 7, 2017 23:08:34 GMT
The portrayal of child abuse seems to be neither trivial nor normalizing in Detroit: Becoming Human, Daily Mail are the ones, who used the issue to increase their profit (though, I find it hard to blame people for attempting to do so, it is just a straightforward lie and hypocrisy; a movie or a book tackling the same issue would earn an award even if it was inaccurate, “thoughts count” and such). But using children as a meatshield is brilliant - you can't disagree without sounding like a jerk, despite that real children are unaffected anyhow by it. And this is different from the recent "loot-boxes are gambling" controversy. That has nothing to do with children. It is about enjoyment of adult gamers - if a system built around extracting as much money as possible from the player (i.e. making it tedious to unlock the rewards through normal gameplay), it is less fun; if one can buy better equipment, instead of earning it, it is unfair to the other players (and, obviously, less challenging and less fun). Haven't played Star Wars: Battlefront 2 and can't say anything about MTX implementation there. On trivializing (or the opposite, making you feel one step away from it) child abuse - Torment: Tides of Numenera. If the player drags the kid along, she exposed to a lot of child-unfriendly content and takes the EXP and party slot, which would be more useful to any other member; if player ditches her, she’s sad and never returns home to her parents. Can't comment developer's writing skill, because I played only Fahrenheit 10 years ago (there were a lot of QTEs and a sex scene with a zombie, I don't remember much else).
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 7, 2017 23:16:38 GMT
People do realise this is the daily mail? Are they something like Novinky.cz or Blesk? The Fox News 'Mass Effect graphic sex' controversy shares the same DNA of outrage...
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Post by linksocarina on Dec 7, 2017 23:24:39 GMT
Our own take on it, plus other news.
Also for the record, this is closer to what I think a good video talking about news and commentary should be.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2017 23:26:17 GMT
Are they something like Novinky.cz or Blesk? The Fox News 'Mass Effect graphic sex' controversy shares the same DNA of outrage... I think it was “with an alien” too. Liara featured prominently. I thought about a decade later Uzbekistan caught on as well, and forbade ME alongside other games that corrupted their youth.
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