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Post by Dukemon on Jan 6, 2018 0:55:49 GMT
I liked this Thread for the OT to collect the omissions from Bioware. Andromeda has many so far. What is your problem with Andromeda?
- Ryders says on the Tempest before the start to infiltrade the Archon ship, to not underestimate the Archon. But they run blind into the trap from the Archon. In the OT on the Reaper and in the Overlord DLC, Shepard does recognize immediately that it is a trap, Ryder does not. When Ryder decides to rescue the Krogan, I am unpleasent that Ryder does not waste a second to urgently warn the Salarian Parthfinder to destroy the SAM implant. Especially, after his experience with the trap from the Archon.
- After the mission no one does anything about the lack of security that the Archon has everything to know about the Nexus und the Ai. In general, I am very unpleasant that SAM is only the plot device to avoid that Ryder has to do anything at all and the game could have to explain what Ryder does and why. Additional, he does not really care about SAM. SAMs role is very important yet. Ryder should waste more time to think about SAMs security that means on the same time the safety from himself. I have to admit, first time I have played ME2 I did not think about the dealing with the Citadel, that it could be a trap. But this Archin Ship plot was extrem clear. Though I cannot understand Ryder did not seeing this.
- Why Ryder cannot throw team members from the ship, when they are on the Nexus? Ok, it is not plot logic, it's game design failing
- Why did not Ryder use the Scrambler to improve his connection with SAM after he got this device? SAM is very important the connection should be more safety and protect his connection to be scanned and others than himself cannot access SAM in his SAM core and implant.
- When you get the data pad, why Ryder gives it to Gil? I thought he is the ship mechanic not the com specialist. Was not Suvi the "new" Kelly Chambers?
- Maybe I am the only one, but I guess somehow the plot tries to relativist everything what is an very dangerous situation. Liams uncoordinated, own "missions" that could cause real problems are relativist through joking dialogues from Ryder. The professionalism and logical dialogue options from Ryder are only one liner, during the casual lines could be an own conversation. The mentioned security problem from the Archon ship and the left behind of the Salarian is not worth one line. Suvi reports Ryder about the fact that the Archon knows about the memories from Ryder. Nobody cares. Everybody is talking about a triumph about the Archon. Which triumph? It is terrible what was happen. Liam talks about his "cool" surprise on Eos, in my playthrough. Vetra is stating that Kett presence goes back. Of course! It did! They want to fool you. And lure.
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Post by yeah rip on Jan 6, 2018 3:44:01 GMT
Only have time for one thing right now, maybe will add some more later.
- If I remember correctly, it only took 7 years to build all of the arks and part of Nexus. How is that even possible?
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Post by Dukemon on Jan 6, 2018 16:37:40 GMT
Only have time for one thing right now, maybe will add some more later. - If I remember correctly, it only took 7 years to build all of the arks and part of Nexus. How is that even possible? - without to be noticed by the council? But I guess that organisations like STG or the Turian Military seem to know about the Ai. On this way I have understood the Salarian Parthfinder and Vetra who said that she was not on the Natanus because she and Sid are not part of the Turian hierarchy. But on the whole I agree with you. It makes less sense. Especially, this thing with SAM. (I am very angry about that fact Bioware will not deliver us more answers about Ryder and SAM...-.-) - the last logs from Alec are revealing that the mother is still alive, on some way. The memories says the cryo capsule keeps her alive. Why does Parthfinder suggest to open the cryo capsule? coma Ryder, ok, makes not alot sense, but Parthfinder Ryders makes no sense.
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Post by Dukemon on Jan 7, 2018 14:14:37 GMT
Additional nonsense
- Parthfinder Ryder awakens in the cryo area. Why is Coma Ryders cryo capsule in the medi center and is not fixed in the cryo area, like the others, too?
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Post by themikefest on Jan 15, 2018 18:17:46 GMT
Why did they bring the sibling's pod into the medbay? Why not open it in the same area where Ryder, the one the player is playing?
When the machinery breaks down, why is it Ryder has a scanner and not maintenance? Bob: What's wrong Jeff? Jeff: The generator went offline. I don't have a scanner. Bob: I see. Want to go to the breakroom to play cards while you wait for Ryder to return?
On the shuttle, Liam introduces himself to Ryder. Why? It would make sense for the pathfinder team to have been waken up a short time before arriving in Andromeda so they get familiar with each other, check all equipment to make sure everything is good to go, and to go over any scenarios of what to do in case things don't work out.
Liam falls from the shuttle just a second before Ryder falls. Its amazing that after Ryder fixes her/his helmet that Liam shows up a few moments later.
Why did Kirkland and Greer separate?
Liam being a cop, I found it uncop like to shoot a body that's already dead. I get he's upset that Kirkland is dead, but shooting a dead corpse is.......unnecessary.
Why wasn't there an option for Ryder to ask to see her/his father's body? Better question would be, did they recover Alec's and Kirkland's bodies? It seemed like Bioware wanted to rush the player through all that so you can get to the Nexus and the ship that Ryder will be using to find a path.
When Ryder asks Carlye how his/her father died, he will say 'like a hero'. So like a hero is a cause of death? Why couldn't he say the truth? When asked, would Bioware's answer be, 'you do not need to know, and there's not enough time to explain'?
The asari on Eos. When Ryder arrives at the artifact, the console can't be activated until glyphs are scanned. Why didn't the asari show up at that time? I would guess she was in the shuttle the whole time watching. Why show up the second time Ryder is at the console?
Why isn't there an option for Ryder to say something to the asari for being knocked down?
The asari says she likes doing things on her own. So why is she a squadmate? If you're not a team player , why should you be on the roster?
When meeting Drack, he wants nothing to do with Ryder and others, but after fighting a few kett, he joins.
Why is Suvi on the bridge? She is a scientist who studies rocks and other things.
The tempest. The interior is poorly designed. It doesn't make sense having a krogan in the kitchen and an asari where the escape pod is.
Archies ship. What plan did Ryder have for entering Archies ship? It was dumb luck that the salarian ship was there to give them access to the kett ship. I'm surprised they didn't notice the guns aimed at the ship until after being on the kett ship. At the time of their arrival and waking up the salarian pathfinder, I would guess the kett had not detected them. So why not call for a couple of strike teams to help? Tann would approve. Have them carry backpacks filled with explosives to be placed throughout the ship and then to be detonated after escaping the ship. I would also include all squadmates.
When Archie has Ryder trapped in the immobilization field, why not fire on the salarian ship destroying it and possibly the tempest as well. Eventually Archie will know about the sam implant.
When the decision to choose between the krogan or salarian, Drack or one of the other squadmates will mention krogan scouts. What scouts? Up to that point, I never heard any dialogue mentioning Drack's scouts. I had to go on youtube to hear it. Either way, I chose the salarian.
Archie learns about the sam thing and see's Ryder's memories. Ryder learns Archie knows about that. Why wouldn't she/he alert Tann or Kandros about that? I would guess that security and safety are at the bottom of Ryder's list.
The escape pod incident. Why was the stowaway in such a rush? Did she know something Ryder didn't know? Maybe she knew her girlfriend would show up? Before using the pod, she will say Kallo won't land on the planet. That is incorrect. He said it will take a while to find a place to land.
If Ryder chooses not to shoot the kalinda asari, the stowaway will say to scan everything that her girlfriend sends to her. Wait a minute. Why wasn't the robot scanned after it was recovered on Eladden?
In the case of what the cop and stowaway did, I'm surprised there wasn't an option to remove them from the roster.
When Archie goes after the sam thing on the Hyperion, why didn't he leave some of his forces with the Nexus while the rest with the Hyperion? It would be interesting if Ryder had to choose between saving the Nexus or saving the Hyperion and getting Meridian.
Alec's memories. The player learns that mom is a popsicle on the Hyperion. Both siblings are surprised. So what happened? Was there a fake funeral for mom? Did dad have her cremated and had an urn filled with dirt letting the kids believe they were mom's ashes? Is there a tombstone back on Earth with her name on it with an empty casket buried?
Liara. The last time her and Alec corresponded was years ago. Why would she tell him about what's happening in the Milky Way? Wouldn't she inform the asari ship instead/as well?
Is Alec the only one that has a terminal that was able to pick up the SOS from the turians and Alliance? Wouldn't Captain Dunn have a terminal as well? Did the Nexus hear the SOS? Did the other ships receive the SOS?
The Nexus not having a sam node and pathfinder
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Post by newnation on Feb 3, 2018 3:59:21 GMT
Its been about 600 yrs since ME3 and all of the endings with the exception of refuse have everything being rebuilt pretty quickly. Why is it that the people in the Andromeda system can't communicate with the Milky Way galaxy?
Did we really need Zaeed's sun in Andromeda especially when he never said anything about having a family in two games?
Why was there no funeral ceremony for Alec Ryder especially since he was someone so important to the Initiative?
Why does the Tempest have no weapons what so ever? Even starfleet ships have weapons.
Even though the Initiative is a civilian project, wouldn't the Council have some interest in it since it is exploring a unexplored galaxy?
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Post by Ahriman on Feb 3, 2018 14:40:33 GMT
Its been about 600 yrs since ME3 and all of the endings with the exception of refuse have everything being rebuilt pretty quickly. Why is it that the people in the Andromeda system can't communicate with the Milky Way galaxy? Did we really need Zaeed's sun in Andromeda especially when he never said anything about having a family in two games? Why was there no funeral ceremony for Alec Ryder especially since he was someone so important to the Initiative? Why does the Tempest have no weapons what so ever? Even starfleet ships have weapons. Even though the Initiative is a civilian project, wouldn't the Council have some interest in it since it is exploring a unexplored galaxy? All Initative's QEC transmitters were destroyed on MW end, without them all communications are impossible. As much as we needed Nyreen's brother, Conrad's sister and Okeer's assistant. Nobody liked the guy, so they just dumped him where he died. Honestly, no idea, either they forgot in writing rush or planned some plot twist. Council (and other governments) was more interested in why the hell someone would spend such money on one-way trip.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Apr 16, 2018 3:43:58 GMT
Liam being a cop, I found it uncop like to shoot a body that's already dead. I get he's upset that Kirkland is dead, but shooting a dead corpse is.......unnecessary. It would be in-character if Liam was an American cop, but alas.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Apr 18, 2018 16:55:36 GMT
I agree with themikefest about Liam introducing himself. That was just weird. There would have been no way the pathfinder team wouldn't have at least been introduced to each other before cryo. Was there no pathfinder team training at all before they left? They just froze a bunch of strangers and expect them to work together as a team in a new galaxy. It bugged me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 21:15:55 GMT
I agree with themikefest about Liam introducing himself. That was just weird. There would have been no way the pathfinder team wouldn't have at least been introduced to each other before cryo. Was there no pathfinder team training at all before they left? They just froze a bunch of strangers and expect them to work together as a team in a new galaxy. It bugged me. It's certainly not ideal (that is, there is a hole in the writing). Still, I do think it can be explained with a little head canon... it's said somewhere that pop Ryder brought his kids into the project late. He might have hesitated putting his own kids on the pathfinder team because of the appearance of nepotism and may have been trying to get them into some other area of the Initiative without success until desperation forced him to just put them on the pathfinder squad to ensure they came along to Andromeda. Also, we know that the AI's schedule was also accelerated due to the Reaper threat, so it's possible that the Ryder twins never did actually get to meet everyone on the team. I don't see it as a big problem either way. They needed some way for us to learn Liam's name. They used a variety of different ways to introduce the various NPCs to the player. For example, Cora was introduced by saying her name to the comms officer when first entering the room. If we stop to chat with others in the cryo bay, Ryder will behave like he/she already knows Kirkland and Fisher, so we did meet them beforehand. Later, Kirkland will introduce us to Greer (so we obviously had not met him either). I think it's pretty obvious they just wanted to mix things up a bit.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 19, 2018 23:31:29 GMT
Going with what you posted, why not wake up the team a few days before arriving so everyone can get familiar with everyone, make sure all equipment is in working order and go over any scenarios they might encounter on the planet?
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 23, 2018 9:30:19 GMT
Going with what you posted, why not wake up the team a few days before arriving so everyone can get familiar with everyone, make sure all equipment is in working order and go over any scenarios they might encounter on the planet? Because content costs. We will always get the condensed version. This way is probably much more cost efficient.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 23, 2018 12:33:07 GMT
Liam being a cop, I found it uncop like to shoot a body that's already dead. I get he's upset that Kirkland is dead, but shooting a dead corpse is.......unnecessary. Liam never claimed to have been a good cop. "Aaand after two years and a dozen suspensions, I took a 'lateral promotion' out of the force. Being a cop just didn't fit. But crisis response? Digging people out of trouble? That worked."During your first encounter with Drack, he flat-out tells us what it'd take for him to join up; Vetra: You know Drack, we could use someone with your... skills. Drack: Tempting as that is, Vetra, I'm a little too old to be carrying humans through a fight. Besides, the day I help the Nexus again is the day the clouds part and the Kett keel over.So Ryder proceeded to do just that. That's how they managed to impress Drack enough to make him reconsider the offer, even despite it going against his own better judgement; Drack: You can really handle yourselves, kid. And I hear you're the one to thank for clearing up the sky. Had your number all wrong. Ryder: So, the clouds parted and these Kett look pretty keeled over. Maybe us humans can pull our weight after all. Drack: Well, you can, clearly. But there's a lot to do before I'd be that smug about it. Vetra: That almost sounds like a compliment. What do you say, wanna help us do some good? Drack: You know what, I'm going to ignore my gut and join up. This fight was good and we could do it again.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 23, 2018 12:59:56 GMT
Because content costs. We will always get the condensed version. This way is probably much more cost efficient. That's fine. It still doesn't make sense the way they have it in the game. Liam never claimed to have been a good cop. "Aaand after two years and a dozen suspensions, I took a 'lateral promotion' out of the force. Being a cop just didn't fit. But crisis response? Digging people out of trouble? That worked."I know. I wonder why Alec would want the guy on the team. He had to have known there were kett all over the spot he was at, before seeing Ryder for the first time. Or was it because he had to see Ryder in action?
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Because content costs. We will always get the condensed version. This way is probably much more cost efficient. That's fine. It still doesn't make sense the way they have it in the game. Liam never claimed to have been a good cop. "Aaand after two years and a dozen suspensions, I took a 'lateral promotion' out of the force. Being a cop just didn't fit. But crisis response? Digging people out of trouble? That worked."I know. I wonder why Alec would want the guy on the team. He had to have known there were kett all over the spot he was at, before seeing Ryder for the first time. Or was it because he had to see Ryder in action? Why did Alec want Liam on the team? The answer is right there - crises response... digging people out of trouble. Policing was less likely a skill to be needed since the pathfinder team was never large enough to go in and "police" another culture... but finding imaginative ways to dig small groups of people out of trouble was a skill Alec could have easily anticipated needing. Liam's asset was thinking unconventionally even though it meant he'd be a "difficult" member of the team. Also, we never really get to see how Liam interacted with Alec. It could have been quite a different than how he interacted with the younger Ryder. As for Drack, I think he was just being stubborn the first time... old and set in his solitary ways. He's also overly confident in his ability to fight off all the kett in the galaxy alone. The second time, Drack's in trouble and actually needed Ryder's help to get out of that scrape. I think he was a bit "humbled" by that realization, but a krogan would never admit such a weakness openly. So, when Ryder makes the quip he does, throwing Drack's own words back at him in a playful way and in a manner that doesn't imply that Drack is weak in any way, Drack decides he likes Ryder enough to join up.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 24, 2018 15:41:28 GMT
That's fine. It still doesn't make sense the way they have it in the game. I know. I wonder why Alec would want the guy on the team. He had to have known there were kett all over the spot he was at, before seeing Ryder for the first time. Or was it because he had to see Ryder in action? Why did Alec want Liam on the team? The answer is right there - crises response... digging people out of trouble. Policing was less likely a skill to be needed since the pathfinder team was never large enough to go in and "police" another culture... but finding imaginative ways to dig small groups of people out of trouble was a skill Alec could have easily anticipated needing. Liam's asset was thinking unconventionally even though it meant he'd be a "difficult" member of the team. Also, we never really get to see how Liam interacted with Alec. It could have been quite a different than how he interacted with the younger Ryder. Yeah, Alec seemed like a guy capable of keeping discipline among his men, so it would make sense for him to assume that under his leadership Liam could be quite usefull. Too bad we didn't get a chance to play as a more assertive leader...
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Aug 14, 2018 16:13:00 GMT
Anyone else think that in a general sense, it felt like more than a year and a half had passed between the Nexus's arrival and the start of the game? Mostly I'm thinking about how Sloane Kelly and the Nakmor matriarch seem pretty well established in the territories they've carved out, and in Kelly's case, there is even an opposition movement that's sprung up and is itself fairly capable.
I think sometimes Bioware underestimates how long it can take for both formal and informal societal structures to form and solidify. The Shepard trilogy similarly felt more like a galaxy where humans have been involved in interplanetary politics and culture for, say, 100 years, rather than only about 30 or however long it was. Similarly, in the Omega DLC, the Talons sprung up, established themselves as one of the top merc groups, and came under Nyreen's leadership all in the space of time between ME2 and ME3? I don't quite buy the notion that Garrus's and Mordin's recruitment missions drastically thinned out their ranks - if they did, then they can't have been that powerful in the first place and should have already been pushed out by somebody else.
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Post by ropedrink on Aug 14, 2018 17:46:34 GMT
The quote you replied to already explained it. He has no time for Nexus and considers your squad (except Vetra) as people who would need to be carried - he hasn't seen any of them (except Vetra) in action. Not only did you then 'part the clouds', literally, but you showed up and showcased your kett-smashing prowess right in-front of him. In short, you proved him wrong on all of his assumptions and thus he begrudgingly joins.
If you do not find non-broken-leg-man before saving the rest of the team, you find him being dissected on a table, to which they mention they will have to come back for the body. If they are saved, they return. Alec was also recovered. Everyone gets off that planet, but kid-Ryder's situation takes priority at that point.
"Like a hero. That's all you need to know". I had no issue with Harry's response because he is also clearly a friend of the family (as evidenced in dialogues and datapads), not just 'a random Doctor'. He is looking out for you, hence not divulging all details. Harry is being polite about the details and assuring Ryder that it is best to remember Alec how he was, not how he is now. The alternative would be "Asphyxiated - his eyes popped out as he suffered a slow, suffocating death thanks to toxic air on that silly planet".
Because Peebee didn't expect it the first time. Saving/Killing Kalinda comes after that first incident with Poc, hence Peebee is now being more careful and requesting scans to be certain that there's no more shenanigans going on. Kalinda originally used Poc to spy on her - Peebee doesn't want a repeat of that. It makes more sense this way and is a means for the writers to say that even if Kalinda is now still alive, Peebee is cutting ties with her. Personally, I shoot her every time - there's no reason to save her.
You seem to be missing her entire personality - she spends 50% of the game telling you she hates strings/baggage and the other 50% impatiently waiting for Remtech opportunities. Kallo didn't land during the entire mission and showed no signs of doing so despite saying he needed more time to find somewhere - she wasn't going to wait for him. In short, it's Peebee being Peebee. At least her mission was more in-character than, say, Liam randomly giving away intel to strangers and endangering the team for the sake of 'alternative methods' of building relations, especially when (by that point) you would have dealt with all kinds of Nexus based shenanigans. Why would a 'crisis responder' be doing bullshit like this? Get someone who knows PR, not someone who's purpose is to remedy emergencies/crisis'. ----- There's so many more I could quote/comment on but I have no problem with half of the suggested moments. They may not be perfect but a lot of them make sense for some characters, albeit sometimes still illogical.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 15, 2018 0:54:14 GMT
Was it? If so, why isn't the player given the option for Ryder to ask to see his body after learning he died? It could give Ryder some closure. How hard would it have been to say he died of suffocation because of how toxic the air was? I don't care what the asari didn't expect. Why didn't Ryder scan the thing to make sure there were no tracers on it? I shoot the kalinda asari as well. She was trying to kill me, so I return the favor. It's obvious she doesn't care about anyone. She put everyone in danger with her nonsense. Its too bad there isn't an option to have Ryder turn her over to Nexus security for her to explain why she did what she did. Me personally, I would leave her on the planet. Kosta is a piece of crap. Like the asari, I would have Ryder turn him over to Nexus security so he can explain why he did what he did. For me, after talking with Bradley, I would turn around and shoot Kosta dead where he stands.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 15, 2018 6:29:33 GMT
themikefest She may not show it sometimes but she cares, for example in the banter with drack: Drack: why are you telling me those things. Peebee: You are almost dead anyway. And then after a while: Hey drack, don't go die anytime soon okay? Also when we go save the salarians, she's very sad about what archon did to them and then she gets very angry about it to the point yelling on at kett and want to shoot them. And last but not least ryder. When we fell into the archons trap, after we talk to her on the ship etc.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 15, 2018 12:19:57 GMT
Apparently that caring stuff went out the window the moment she thought it would be a good idea to use the escape pod, right?
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 15, 2018 14:27:43 GMT
Apparently that caring stuff went out the window the moment she thought it would be a good idea to use the escape pod, right? I don't think so. There are some caring stuff after her lm... i know she did a stupid decision, but i think she learned from it.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 15, 2018 14:34:35 GMT
Whether or not she learned from her stupidity, I would still have her removed from the roster for what she did. Let Nexus security deal with her.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Aug 15, 2018 15:49:37 GMT
Whether or not she learned from her stupidity, I would still have her removed from the roster for what she did. Let Nexus security deal with her. Well, that option should've been there for the people who didn't liked her. Same with Liam.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 15, 2018 16:02:12 GMT
Like has nothing to do with it. What she did was stupid. Even if I did like the character I would still get rid of her. The same with Kosta.
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