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Post by ladyiolanthe on Dec 23, 2017 14:43:52 GMT
I am ready except for pies, which I'm baking this morning. (Well, it's morning in my part of the world, anyway.)
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 23, 2017 16:21:04 GMT
Someone has to steal Solas's leg warmers and replace them with Christmas elf socks to match with those green leggings And shoes with the curled up toes. With a tiny bell on each tip. "Sorry, Solas - this is your punishment for all the Dread Wolf shenanigans and end of the world plot!" Solas: "Just send me to the Void forever already".
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 23, 2017 23:55:54 GMT
I am ready except for pies, which I'm baking this morning. (Well, it's morning in my part of the world, anyway.) Well, we got a 'surprise pie' this year. You know how sometimes family that lives far away surprises with unexpected holiday visit? My auntie and cousin did that just yesterday.
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Post by Gwyvian on Dec 24, 2017 8:57:16 GMT
I always wondered why there was a town named "Solas" in Tevinter... and why the Inquisitor suspiciously buried her knife right beside it after promising to go after him to stop or help him. I thought maybe that it wasn't a totally weird design oversight but that someone had inked it in as his suspected location or something.... that makes way more sense in a way. Then again, why not? Why shouldn't someone have created an ancient city in honor of the original Solas? It's not like anyone really expects him to turn up millennia later and complain about it. And well... it's not like he isn't a hero from ancient past Such people usually have stuff named after them. I wouldn't, however, be surprised if the city was named after something else and it's all just happy coincidence. The temple of Solasan wasn't named after him, after all. He was unfamiliar and somewhat baffled about that place. And we know already 'Solas' ain't just a name, but word for 'pride' or 'standing tall'. It still may have some sort of connection, but it may not be direct. Or perhaps - plot-twist! - it's not city that got its name after Solas, but Solas took his name after city, for whatever reason. Whatever the truth is, the whole dagger-burying near the city was obviously a 4th wall wink for the audience (just like map being in English is). Though considering that so far what we know of the next title is that Inquisition will be attempting to stop Solas, Inky might have done that on purpose in-game as well (perhaps it was the reason he/she made a decision to go to Tevinter)... Or it was just a coincidence, lol. Leli: Did you just bury that dagger next to 'Solas' on the map? Inky: Um, I did? Oh, well look at that! Cass: ...It's a sign! Well yeah. There's that. Yeah, Solasan is a good example of using the word for its meaning; honestly, I'm pretty much convinced that Solas' original name is nothing near "Solas" - it sounds like a name bestowed on someone and, let's face it, the Dread Wolf being called "pride" makes sense considering the mythological context surrounding his legend. The chances that long ago his parents decided to name him that is not impossible, but pretty slim, especially since it fits so perfectly. It would also make sense if he took the name upon himself as an alias as you suggest; though, I rather think the town Solas had nothing to do with it and rather he chose the name that best fit how he thought of himself, it is in his native tongue after all. Or who knows? Maybe he woke up there and through some freak accident he ended up founding the town and they named it after the name he gave them? But it also makes sense that somewhere down the line in Tevinter's history someone used an elvhen word to name the place, I mean, why not? They ripped off everything else from the elves. Can I just say, I'm so excited to finally see Tevinter? I have to wonder about the map-stabby thing, though; creatively speaking it just seems odd to have a town named Solas, that seemed to be more an indicator to the player that we haven't seen the last of this story yet. In that case however, I have to wonder why they made it look like he's a literal blip on the map... So many questions. I think I'm just reading waaaaaaaaay too much into this whole thing because I'm starving for some tinfoil. The lot of you should not forget that Solas means Pride in Elven. And the -an suffix means place. Solasan is A Place of Pride, or Prideful Place. Both should apply. Remember: Tel garas Solasan... First thing I thought of. Still, I have to say, so far as town names go, "pride" is a little unusual. (Though as I well know, some places get quite creative with town names.) Also, pies. I'm totally doing that.
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Post by Elessara on Dec 24, 2017 18:14:28 GMT
And well... it's not like he isn't a hero from ancient past Such people usually have stuff named after them. I wouldn't, however, be surprised if the city was named after something else and it's all just happy coincidence. The temple of Solasan wasn't named after him, after all. He was unfamiliar and somewhat baffled about that place. And we know already 'Solas' ain't just a name, but word for 'pride' or 'standing tall'. It still may have some sort of connection, but it may not be direct. Or perhaps - plot-twist! - it's not city that got its name after Solas, but Solas took his name after city, for whatever reason. Whatever the truth is, the whole dagger-burying near the city was obviously a 4th wall wink for the audience (just like map being in English is). Though considering that so far what we know of the next title is that Inquisition will be attempting to stop Solas, Inky might have done that on purpose in-game as well (perhaps it was the reason he/she made a decision to go to Tevinter)... Or it was just a coincidence, lol. Leli: Did you just bury that dagger next to 'Solas' on the map? Inky: Um, I did? Oh, well look at that! Cass: ...It's a sign! Well yeah. There's that. Yeah, Solasan is a good example of using the word for its meaning; honestly, I'm pretty much convinced that Solas' original name is nothing near "Solas" - it sounds like a name bestowed on someone and, let's face it, the Dread Wolf being called "pride" makes sense considering the mythological context surrounding his legend. The chances that long ago his parents decided to name him that is not impossible, but pretty slim, especially since it fits so perfectly. It would also make sense if he took the name upon himself as an alias as you suggest; though, I rather think the town Solas had nothing to do with it and rather he chose the name that best fit how he thought of himself, it is in his native tongue after all. Or who knows? Maybe he woke up there and through some freak accident he ended up founding the town and they named it after the name he gave them? But it also makes sense that somewhere down the line in Tevinter's history someone used an elvhen word to name the place, I mean, why not? They ripped off everything else from the elves. Can I just say, I'm so excited to finally see Tevinter? I have to wonder about the map-stabby thing, though; creatively speaking it just seems odd to have a town named Solas, that seemed to be more an indicator to the player that we haven't seen the last of this story yet. In that case however, I have to wonder why they made it look like he's a literal blip on the map... So many questions. I think I'm just reading waaaaaaaaay too much into this whole thing because I'm starving for some tinfoil. The lot of you should not forget that Solas means Pride in Elven. And the -an suffix means place. Solasan is A Place of Pride, or Prideful Place. Both should apply. Remember: Tel garas Solasan... First thing I thought of. Still, I have to say, so far as town names go, "pride" is a little unusual. (Though as I well know, some places get quite creative with town names.) Also, pies. I'm totally doing that. Ehh, it depends. He may very well have been "Solas" originally. If one subscribes to the theory that elves were spirits before they assumed a physical form and became elves, then Solas may have been a spirit of Pride. And yes, I know they're considered to be demons in current lore but as we've seen, demons and spirits tend to be more interchangeable than Chantry teachings dictate. Not that I think it's impossible that he originally had a different name. Maybe we'll actually find out one day. We can hope at any rate.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Dec 24, 2017 18:37:10 GMT
I know I haven't been here in a while, but since we celebrate Christmas on Christmas Eve here in Sweden I want to wish you all a very Merry Chirstmas and a Happy Holiday! I hope that we will soon have more info to discuss and dissect in minute detail!
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I know I haven't been here in a while, but since we celebrate Christmas on Christmas Eve here in Sweden I want to wish you all a very Merry Chirstmas and a Happy Holiday! I hope that we will soon have more info to discuss and dissect in minute detail! Bunny! Nice to see you again. The gif in your sig is still so wrong and yet so awesome.
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I know I haven't been here in a while, but since we celebrate Christmas on Christmas Eve here in Sweden I want to wish you all a very Merry Chirstmas and a Happy Holiday! I hope that we will soon have more info to discuss and dissect in minute detail! Bunny! Nice to see you again. The gif in your sig is still so wrong and yet so awesome. Nice to be back and that people haven't forgotten me! I dearly wish I could remember who it was that linked me the gif on my birthday a few years back, but I'm pretty sure it was one of the regulars of the original Blanket Fort. A shame I can't go back and search for it...
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 24, 2017 23:42:44 GMT
Well yeah. There's that. Yeah, Solasan is a good example of using the word for its meaning; honestly, I'm pretty much convinced that Solas' original name is nothing near "Solas" - it sounds like a name bestowed on someone and, let's face it, the Dread Wolf being called "pride" makes sense considering the mythological context surrounding his legend. The chances that long ago his parents decided to name him that is not impossible, but pretty slim, especially since it fits so perfectly. It would also make sense if he took the name upon himself as an alias as you suggest; though, I rather think the town Solas had nothing to do with it and rather he chose the name that best fit how he thought of himself, it is in his native tongue after all. Or who knows? Maybe he woke up there and through some freak accident he ended up founding the town and they named it after the name he gave them? But it also makes sense that somewhere down the line in Tevinter's history someone used an elvhen word to name the place, I mean, why not? They ripped off everything else from the elves. Can I just say, I'm so excited to finally see Tevinter? I have to wonder about the map-stabby thing, though; creatively speaking it just seems odd to have a town named Solas, that seemed to be more an indicator to the player that we haven't seen the last of this story yet. In that case however, I have to wonder why they made it look like he's a literal blip on the map... So many questions. I think I'm just reading waaaaaaaaay too much into this whole thing because I'm starving for some tinfoil. First thing I thought of. Still, I have to say, so far as town names go, "pride" is a little unusual. (Though as I well know, some places get quite creative with town names.) Also, pies. I'm totally doing that. Ehh, it depends. He may very well have been "Solas" originally. If one subscribes to the theory that elves were spirits before they assumed a physical form and became elves, then Solas may have been a spirit of Pride. And yes, I know they're considered to be demons in current lore but as we've seen, demons and spirits tend to be more interchangeable than Chantry teachings dictate. Not that I think it's impossible that he originally had a different name. Maybe we'll actually find out one day. We can hope at any rate. Or perhaps he was named Solas long, long, long ago cus that word sounded good and the word came to mean "pride" b/c of him (cus linguistic evolution). That's the theory I like to headcanon until proven otherwise, personally. Also, Merry Christmas, all. Official Bioware tweets from another thread, but I can't stop laughing/feeling slightly disturbed by the picture choice for Solas: Weird. The Bioware Twitter account just did a "12 Days of Christmas" thing with Dragon Age characters, then immediately deleted it. There were 12 tweets accompanied by a picture. Let's see what I remember: One Wooden Griffon (Blackwall) Two Smutty Books (Swords and Shields) Three Horns Up (Iron Bull - THE THIRD HORN IS HIS DICK) Four Crows A-Cawing or Ravens Raving? (Leliana) Five Romantic Roses (Alistair) Six Sultry Smiles (Dorian) Seven ???? Suitors (Josephine) Eight ????? (Cullen) Nine Nocturnal Visits (Solas) Ten-year-old Son (Morrigan) Eleven Jars of Bees (Sera) Twelve Failed Flirtations (Varric) I don't remember what the pun was with Cullen, but it had to do with dogs. They made new ones BioWare @bioware
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On my second day in Thedas my true love gave to me Two steamy books 📕📕 BioWare @bioware
On my third day in Thedas my true love gave to me Three big horns 😈 BioWare @bioware
On my fourth day in Thedas my true love gave to me Four cawing crows 🐦🐦🐦🐦 BioWare @bioware
On my fifth day in Thedas my true love gave to me Five roses 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹 BioWare @bioware
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On my eighth day in Thedas my true love gave to me Eight adopted dogs 🐶🐶🐶🐶🐶🐶🐶🐶 BioWare @biowareOn my ninth day in Thedas my true love gave to me Nine nocturnal visits 🌝🌝🌝🌝🌝🌝🌝🌝🌝 BioWare @biowareOn my tenth day in Thedas my true love gave to me A ten-year old son 👦🏻👦🏻👦🏻👦🏻👦🏻👦🏻👦🏻👦🏻👦🏻👦🏻 BioWare @biowareOn my eleventh day in Thedas my true love gave to me Eleven jars of bees 🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝 BioWare @biowareOn my twelfth day in Thedas my true love gave to me Twelve failed flirtations 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔 Like, its just..... Extreme. Closeup. O_O lol
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Post by Elessara on Dec 25, 2017 1:24:06 GMT
Ehh, it depends. He may very well have been "Solas" originally. If one subscribes to the theory that elves were spirits before they assumed a physical form and became elves, then Solas may have been a spirit of Pride. And yes, I know they're considered to be demons in current lore but as we've seen, demons and spirits tend to be more interchangeable than Chantry teachings dictate. Not that I think it's impossible that he originally had a different name. Maybe we'll actually find out one day. We can hope at any rate. Or perhaps he was named Solas long, long, long ago cus that word sounded good and the word came to mean "pride" b/c of him (cus linguistic evolution). That's the theory I like to headcanon until proven otherwise, personally. Also, Merry Christmas, all. Official Bioware tweets from another thread, but I can't stop laughing/feeling slightly disturbed by the picture choice for Solas: Haha! I saw all of these and at the Solas one I too, was like ... errrr.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Dec 25, 2017 6:14:46 GMT
But what does it mean???
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Post by Kymira on Dec 25, 2017 19:31:01 GMT
Nocturnal visits from Solas' god-status visage??? Yes pls. :dumb: Happy Holidays and New Year to the Solbae thread!
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Dec 28, 2017 0:08:32 GMT
I got this retro board as a Christmas present and started to make quotes and eventually I got this: And now I have the feels...
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 28, 2017 1:39:40 GMT
Nocturnal visits from Solas' god-status visage??? Yes pls. Prepare for this to be incorporated into fanfiction
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Post by Auirel on Dec 28, 2017 9:19:58 GMT
Nocturnal visits from Solas' god-status visage??? Yes pls. Funnily enough, I did have a dream recently that had Solas pretty much do exactly this...except he was in his wolf form. And he was like, Nightmare Demon sized. And then he was fighting...something else in the Fade, in the middle of a massive Elvhen city. Then he collapsed from the effort...and was shirtless for whatever reason :dirty: . Like instead of turning into the Incredible Hulk, the mild-mannered apostate Solas transforms into the fearsome Dread Wolf when enraged and destroys whatever shirt he's wearing. Suffice to say, Solas has completely ruined my mind.
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Post by Julale on Dec 28, 2017 11:52:42 GMT
So beautiful ❤️ from @lavilsa (twitter)
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 29, 2017 5:07:45 GMT
Nocturnal visits from Solas' god-status visage??? Yes pls. Funnily enough, I did have a dream recently that had Solas pretty much do exactly this...except he was in his wolf form. And he was like, Nightmare Demon sized. And then he was fighting...something else in the Fade, in the middle of a massive Elvhen city. Then he collapsed from the effort...and was shirtless for whatever reason . Like instead of turning into the Incredible Hulk, the mild-mannered apostate Solas transforms into the fearsome Dread Wolf when enraged and destroys whatever shirt he's wearing. Suffice to say, Solas has completely ruined my mind. That sounds like an amazing dream. lol I might be strange, but I'd be perfectly happy interacting with canine!Solas for a good long while in the next game. I'm imagining this, but with 6 eyes: That small image doesn't convey it's scale well, but that tree is about three to four stories tall and the wolf is maybe half a mile behind it. Its huge. So beautiful ❤️ from @lavilsa (twitter) Dang. Solas/Solavellan fandom continues to impress. Last time I was in a fandom this active with this amount and variation of artistic talent was Avatar: The Last Airbender.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Dec 31, 2017 0:57:03 GMT
In case you missed it - John Epler pretty much confirmed today on Twitter that the scene at the very end of Trespasser with the Inquisitor, Cassandra, Leliana and Harding (and non-Solas romanced characters) takes place in Haven. Here's the pertinent tweet but you'll need to read the whole thread for context since it's about how proud he is of Trespasser. John Epler @eplerjcOh, one more note. We almost didn't take you back to Haven at the end for technical reasons. I fought for it, because it was important, thematically, to me. Sometimes game dev is also about fighting for the stuff you really care about.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 31, 2017 0:59:42 GMT
In case you missed it - John Epler pretty much confirmed today on Twitter that the scene at the very end of Trespasser with the Inquisitor, Cassandra, Leliana and Harding (and non-Solas romanced characters) takes place in Haven. Here's the pertinent tweet but you'll need to read the whole thread for context since it's about how proud he is of Trespasser. John Epler @eplerjcOh, one more note. We almost didn't take you back to Haven at the end for technical reasons. I fought for it, because it was important, thematically, to me. Sometimes game dev is also about fighting for the stuff you really care about. He said it's in Haven as in the game location not in-game location, hence technical issues.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Dec 31, 2017 1:03:56 GMT
In case you missed it - John Epler pretty much confirmed today on Twitter that the scene at the very end of Trespasser with the Inquisitor, Cassandra, Leliana and Harding (and non-Solas romanced characters) takes place in Haven. Here's the pertinent tweet but you'll need to read the whole thread for context since it's about how proud he is of Trespasser. John Epler @eplerjcOh, one more note. We almost didn't take you back to Haven at the end for technical reasons. I fought for it, because it was important, thematically, to me. Sometimes game dev is also about fighting for the stuff you really care about. He said it's in Haven as in the game location not in-game location, hence technical issues. Uh, no - read it again. He says they almost didn't take us to Haven because of technical issues. The implication being that they overcame the technical issues because he fought for this (returning to Haven) because it was thematically important to him.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 31, 2017 1:17:00 GMT
He said it's in Haven as in the game location not in-game location, hence technical issues. Uh, no - read it again. He says they almost didn't take us to Haven because of technical issues. The implication being that they overcame the technical issues because he fought for this (returning to Haven) because it was thematically important to him. I did read it. He stated that he fought for this because it was important for him THEMATICALLY, not because the location is important. And you can tell from cinematic itself that it was all about the scene direction: the camera sliding through bars, like in the first scene on DAI, to symbolize going full circle. That asset location is in Haven, as in: game files location. Hence - the game likely had transport everyone present in the scene to copy of the cell in game files, and thus technical issues.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 31, 2017 2:21:42 GMT
Okay, let me clarify - it's not that I have a certain hang up and will never accept that this scene might have actually happened in Haven. I don't care that much But overall I think people should keep in mind that we shouldn't treat all the location jumps literally as if they happened. Sometimes they're picked because they fit the intended scene better than anything else, and the fact that we recognize some unique locations in specific places on the map is irrelevant. It's sort of the same with Crestwood scene in Solas romance. I'm fairly certain that Solas didn't drag Lavellan all the way to Cestwood, which is a trip that would take at least several days. He likely took her somewhere near Skyhold - in fact, it's established in the game that there's a grove just outside of it. Specifically, we're told that during Cassandra romance; the aforementioned grove is where Inquisitor takes Cass for their romantic night together. We never see the entirety of it (because that's not the point), but it's lush and I wouldn't be surprised if "Crestwood" pond or something very similar was somewhere nearby. No days-long trip to break the heart required To reiterate: the only reason the Crestwood location was chosen was because folks responsible for cinematic direction were more preoccupied with aesthetics and symbolism, specifically in this shot: ...than the fact that we can recognize the location and it being technically in Crestwood. It's just a smart, economic use of available assets.
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Post by Garnet on Dec 31, 2017 3:41:50 GMT
Okay, let me clarify - it's not that I have a certain hang up and will never accept that this scene might have actually happened in Haven. I don't care that much But overall I think people should keep in mind that we shouldn't treat all the location jumps literally as if they happened. Sometimes they're picked because they fit the intended scene better than anything else, and the fact that we recognize some unique locations in specific places on the map is irrelevant. It's sort of the same with Crestwood scene in Solas romance. I'm fairly certain that Solas didn't drag Lavellan all the way to Cestwood, which is a trip that would take at least several days. He likely took her somewhere near Skyhold - in fact, it's established in the game that there's a grove just outside of it. Specifically, we're told that during Cassandra romance; the aforementioned grove is where Inquisitor takes Cass for their romantic night together. We never see the entirety of it (because that's not the point), but it's lush and I wouldn't be surprised if "Crestwood" pond or something very similar was somewhere nearby. No days-long trip to break the heart required To reiterate: the only reason the Crestwood location was chosen was because folks responsible for cinematic direction were more preoccupied with aesthetics and symbolism, specifically in this shot: ...than the fact that we can recognize the location and it being technically in Crestwood. It's just a smart, economic use of available assets. While I absolutely agree with you on the "not actually going there/reusing game assets" point for the most part, I feel like the Crestwood scene is on location because it's a very Elven grove (maybe it was a special place to Solas in the past? The veil is thin there, so maybe he was going to show her something..?) and (hilariously) the wyvern is there trying to maul you if you haven't killed it by this point. I also like the idea that Solas takes the Inquisitor on a special trip just to tell her the truth (only to flub it up in the end.) Of course, I'm sure this is up to everyone's own interpretation so no one is wrong. I thought it was neat that the Post-Trespasser end scene in Haven is in the Chantry jail where the game started. (I think. Or was it the Haven war room?) But again, it's possible to think of it as a completely different location
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Dec 31, 2017 3:57:15 GMT
midnight tea I honestly think that you are reaching a little far to justify your take on things here. That's quite a convoluted explanation for what John said. I do know it's convenient to reuse game assets and agree that it's not terribly likely that Solas took Lavellan all the way to Crestwood to dump her - especially since at least one past 'date' with Solas has been established to have taken place in the Fade. However, John was pretty clear in his tweet that taking us back to Haven, specifically, was important to him - it's another way of closing one of the circles of the DAI story. Similar to the Solas and Mythal scene at the end of the main game being mirrored by the Inquisitor and Solas scene at the end of Trespasser (something which devs have said they specifically aimed for), we start the game in the Haven dungeon, and we end it there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2017 9:26:23 GMT
Epler literally said he fought to have the last scene staged at Haven for a thematic full circle, I don't see what's difficult to understand about this. The characters are clearly in a room in Haven that survived Corypheus' attack, likely the dungeon.
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