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Post by Faust on Mar 2, 2018 18:50:35 GMT
So we can give ourselves a chance, while at the same time experience destruction? Because that's what happened with these future selves. And who knows if we won't experience something relatively similar sometime in a different future (if the story goes in certain directions it could go - which is not impossible, though I'm not necessarily talking about time-travel shenanigans). That alternative future never existed. Unless we're talking parallèle univers. Problem is that he also tells this to Dalish Inquisitor. If "his people" were just "elves" we'd hear a different dialogue. We didn't. I also think it's interesting that he seems to be deliberately using word 'end' - because 'end' doesn't necessarily means 'die'. In fact, do we even know what 'death' means to an immortal being? He says that he's walking din'anshiral and there's only death on this road, yet he tells Cole that he's going to be on that path forever. Dalish inq that is currently at the top of an organisation composed of dwarf, human, quanari... Hang on - you use the same line of dialogue to argue pretty much the opposite to what you argued before. You said that 'your people' straightforwardly means 'not elves' - and now you're pretty much dismantling that notion, by trying to argue that he meant it in a context of distinction between race and culture, but still thinks that elves are his race, despite consistently making distinction between Inquisitor's people (elven one included) and his throughout all their exchanges in Trespasser, not just this one. (Elven Inquisitors also ask 'we aren't even people to you?' - and if approval is low enough, Solas confirms, while if it's high enough - all races have status of people to Solas.) I'm not "trying". I make a distinction between race, "culture" and the position as Inq. In the dawn will come, he says about the foci "Our people" to Dalish, and "It is Elven" to a Human. --> (Our race/ Elven race) He also says "our people used to be here" to Sera (Race), you know, the elf who joke about walking on dead elves. Inq : How do you know this ? To a human : bla bla fade magic "Cory may think it (the foci) Tevinter, his empire magic was built on the bones of my people" --> His generation In the Inquisition all races are accepted and work together, you are the leader of an organisation composed by humans, qunaris, dwarfs, elves.. They are all your people. But elves left the inquisition to join Fen'harel, so "no elves" included in "your people" . They are now Solas's people. so your people --> Not elves Flemeth Also use "the people" (The People bend knee too easily, ) about modern elves in DA2, and Solas "the people, they need me" to Femeth. s o why try and read his words verbatim, when we know that at least half of his dialogue is demonstrably spiked with double meaning or more? ...And why is he telling us his plan and allowing us to chase after him, when it'd make sense to let us die? Why does he tell us, multiple times, that the world may die, instead of will? Or why does he tell us that he's looking forward to being possibly wrong? And why is his old friend, who have given up her power to him to continue his mission, yet who seems to care about this world in her way, also seems to encourage people to 'take a leap to learn if you can fly', as if the change she foresees coming is something we should not be afraid of? There are too many questions there and too many possibilities that all of this leads to something not necessarily simple or expected. I don't think that he tries to be vague. in this dialogue. He is warning you, like I said multiple times. Every dialogue doesn't have to have a quadriple meaning. He wants to lighten the guilt, and the guy was wrong so many times and failed to achieve his plans (also many times). It's not surprising he doesn't speak in absolute anymore. Nothing I said above merits ridicule. If you've run out of counter-arguments, try not to pretend you have something. Unhardened Leliana succeed because Miracles and unreliable narrator , I dont need to counter a non-argument. Well, they won't do 'you failed, try again from the beginning', because if you sink 100 hours into a playthrough, chances are there'd be too many pissed off players. Some people were angry at BW when they failed to soften Leliana - and you can muck that up almost at the very start of the game. That's not to say that we won't have choices like that anymore. But making people fail their whole game after such-time sink seems like overkill. Ah people... Maybe I should rant about the lack of baguettes in Orlais ? Yes, if I deem it necessary, not if Solas (or any other character) does. What I'm not willing to do is let Solas kill/threaten my people. I can do that. And I'm not a babysitter. Solas doesn't use his brain when emotions are involved. Yes they killed his friend, but they were trying to survive, yes they showed no emotions, but they didn't know better. They also couldn't defend themself when he killed them. And the guy talks about wasted lives ?
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Mar 2, 2018 23:18:14 GMT
Well, there's only Solas's own words. He said that Western Approach was place of Empires and great ritual, but now all is gone. Still, his remark that he nearly died of thirst suggests that it was a desert/hot place for a long time.It does, I agree. Still, there is also an off chance that he was merely both in this location and denied water. Or didn't drink the water for some reason.
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Post by Elessara on Mar 3, 2018 15:27:00 GMT
Well, there's only Solas's own words. He said that Western Approach was place of Empires and great ritual, but now all is gone. Still, his remark that he nearly died of thirst suggests that it was a desert/hot place for a long time.It does, I agree. Still, there is also an off chance that he was merely both in this location and denied water. Or didn't drink the water for some reason. Just throwing this out there and not saying I necessarily believe this but ... what if Solas was traveling through the Western Approach from the place he woke up? I know quite a few people believe he was resting in/on Sundermount but the truth is we have no idea where he was sleeping. His resting place could have been much farther west, beyond the Western Approach and thus he may have needed to travel through there to get to the Temple of Sacred Ashes.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 3, 2018 15:44:05 GMT
It does, I agree. Still, there is also an off chance that he was merely both in this location and denied water. Or didn't drink the water for some reason. Just throwing this out there and not saying I necessarily believe this but ... what if Solas was traveling through the Western Approach from the place he woke up? I know quite a few people believe he was resting in/on Sundermount but the truth is we have no idea where he was sleeping. His resting place could have been much farther west, beyond the Western Approach and thus he may have needed to travel through there to get to the Temple of Sacred Ashes. Perhaps, but... if he was travelling during this age and not sometime long ago, why is he so flabbergasted to see life coming back on Western Approach after the Blight? If I recall, it's noted somewhere that fauna and flora makes a comeback there, but I don't think this happened in a span of a mere year.
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Post by Elessara on Mar 3, 2018 17:35:07 GMT
Just throwing this out there and not saying I necessarily believe this but ... what if Solas was traveling through the Western Approach from the place he woke up? I know quite a few people believe he was resting in/on Sundermount but the truth is we have no idea where he was sleeping. His resting place could have been much farther west, beyond the Western Approach and thus he may have needed to travel through there to get to the Temple of Sacred Ashes. Perhaps, but... if he was travelling during this age and not sometime long ago, why is he so flabbergasted to see life coming back on Western Approach after the Blight? If I recall, it's noted somewhere that fauna and flora makes a comeback there, but I don't think this happened in a span of a mere year. He probably knows of every major event that happened in the time he was sleeping - he saw it in the Fade or his agents communicated it to him. And he seems to know what the Blight is capable of. It's entirely possible he knew that area was devastated by the Blight and turned into a complete wasteland before even waking up. Like I said, I'm not sold on this idea but anything is possible.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 3, 2018 17:46:00 GMT
Perhaps, but... if he was travelling during this age and not sometime long ago, why is he so flabbergasted to see life coming back on Western Approach after the Blight? If I recall, it's noted somewhere that fauna and flora makes a comeback there, but I don't think this happened in a span of a mere year. He probably knows of every major event that happened in the time he was sleeping - he saw it in the Fade or his agents communicated it to him. And he seems to know what the Blight is capable of. It's entirely possible he knew that area was devastated by the Blight and turned into a complete wasteland before even waking up. Like I said, I'm not sold on this idea but anything is possible. The problem in that hypothesis isn't that he might have known that the place is a wasteland. That's sort of a given. The problem with that theory is that if he happened to travel after he awoke - which couldn't have been earlier than a year before events in Inquisition, he wouldn't be so surprised to see life coming back to this wasteland during his time with Inquisition.
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Post by Elessara on Mar 3, 2018 18:11:54 GMT
He probably knows of every major event that happened in the time he was sleeping - he saw it in the Fade or his agents communicated it to him. And he seems to know what the Blight is capable of. It's entirely possible he knew that area was devastated by the Blight and turned into a complete wasteland before even waking up. Like I said, I'm not sold on this idea but anything is possible. The problem in that hypothesis isn't that he might have known that the place is a wasteland. That's sort of a given. The problem with that theory is that if he happened to travel after he awoke - which couldn't have been earlier than a year before events in Inquisition, he wouldn't be so surprised to see life coming back to this wasteland during his time with Inquisition. He travels through going east, thinks to himself, "Wow there's life here, I didn't expect that." Later on, he travels there with Inquisitor, and still being surprised there's life there, comments out loud, "Hey I'm surprised there's life here." I know I've commented multiple times about how surprised I am at a particular thing. For example, after watching the Shawshank Redemption for the first time, "Wow Stephen King wrote this, that's amazing." After watching it for the fifth time (what can I say, I like the movie), "Wow I am still surprised that Stephen King wrote this."
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 3, 2018 19:36:39 GMT
The problem in that hypothesis isn't that he might have known that the place is a wasteland. That's sort of a given. The problem with that theory is that if he happened to travel after he awoke - which couldn't have been earlier than a year before events in Inquisition, he wouldn't be so surprised to see life coming back to this wasteland during his time with Inquisition. He travels through going east, thinks to himself, "Wow there's life here, I didn't expect that." Later on, he travels there with Inquisitor, and still being surprised there's life there, comments out loud, "Hey I'm surprised there's life here." I know I've commented multiple times about how surprised I am at a particular thing. For example, after watching the Shawshank Redemption for the first time, "Wow Stephen King wrote this, that's amazing." After watching it for the fifth time (what can I say, I like the movie), "Wow I am still surprised that Stephen King wrote this." Considering that Solas's comment seemed like it's the first time he's seen life? I don't think it's just a matter of repeating how amazed someone is. I mean... another question is why was he so convinced that the Blight basiclaly permanently damages life and whether seeing life made him reconsider some things.
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Post by Elessara on Mar 4, 2018 1:33:44 GMT
He travels through going east, thinks to himself, "Wow there's life here, I didn't expect that." Later on, he travels there with Inquisitor, and still being surprised there's life there, comments out loud, "Hey I'm surprised there's life here." I know I've commented multiple times about how surprised I am at a particular thing. For example, after watching the Shawshank Redemption for the first time, "Wow Stephen King wrote this, that's amazing." After watching it for the fifth time (what can I say, I like the movie), "Wow I am still surprised that Stephen King wrote this." Considering that Solas's comment seemed like it's the first time he's seen life? I don't think it's just a matter of repeating how amazed someone is. I mean... another question is why was he so convinced that the Blight basiclaly permanently damages life and whether seeing life made him reconsider some things. Eh, I'm not so in love with the idea that I feel like arguing it anymore.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 4, 2018 17:09:42 GMT
So we can give ourselves a chance, while at the same time experience destruction? Because that's what happened with these future selves. And who knows if we won't experience something relatively similar sometime in a different future (if the story goes in certain directions it could go - which is not impossible, though I'm not necessarily talking about time-travel shenanigans). That alternative future never existed. Unless we're talking parallèle univers. If we visited it physically and then used information gleaned through it to dismantle Corypheus' schemes then it's a future/timeline that has most definitely existed. What's more, it doesn't just exist in memory of those who came back: in JOH we hear spirits mention the echoes of that future reverberating through the Fade. As for existence of parallel universes... well, we can't discount that. Especially that gameplay of all Dragon Age games is pretty much built on assumption that there are parallel universes, or something akin to that. Hence all the branching choices, world-states or ability to play different race/origin. Bah, spoilering the rest for length: There is simply no distinction made between elves and other races working for the organization. A fact further confirmed by Dalish Inquisitor also asking Solas "We aren't people to you?", just like Inquisitor of any other race. We already established that ATM we don't know who the elves have left to join. Plus - the fact that the they left to join doesn't speak anything of their survival or being treated as elves of old. They might as well merely serve a purpose to bring them back, after which they'd experience an 'end' of some sort themselves.
And you're missing the point. The fact that you're making a distinction now doesn't change the fact that you're stating something opposite to what you've been stating right before it. At first you were adamant that when he says 'your people' he means 'not-elves' and that's it - and now you're claiming that the phrase 'your people' the word can have... well... 'quadruple meaning', to quote your own words.
So which one is it? And if you think that he still cares about modern elves and has plans towards them that go beyond destruction - yet at the same time he says that they'd 'end' in some way, it means that similar thing can be applied to any other race.
Again - you can't have a cookie or eat it too. You can't at one point be adamant that there's only one meaning of the word/phrase, only to do a complete 180 in next paragraph without it reflecting pretty poorly on your whole argumentation.
Plus - if you want to make a sound argument, cherry-picking is not a way to do it. You can't point to few pieces of dialogue and ignore everything else that was said in the main game or Trespasser.
And if you insist in doing so, I can argue that Solas also saw EVERYONE as people from the start, because he states this to Blackwall: Solas: I will remember this. When it is over. Blackwall: This? This war? The Inquisition? Solas: The people. How you fought against the tide. It is... courageous.
... and also bring any time when he's addressed people as people, regardless of race. That doesn't change the fact that in Trespasser, which is a conclusion to everything in DAI, he consistently makes a distinction between ANY race that lives in modern Thedas and 'his people'. Modern elves included.
We don't really know why, though it's likely that he's deeply conflicted and, during events of Inquisition, he moves back and forth between relating to people of modern Thedas and sticking to his mission. But in Trespasser he makes it quite clear that - so far - he chooses to stick to his mission, and that mission is predicated on making a distinction between modern people and ancient elves.
IMO the main reason he occasionally relates more to modern elves than other races during the game is because elves are the ones who retained most characteristics of ancient people - if I recall correctly, even his writer mentioned this being the case. But even with elves being most similar it's fairly apparent that - at the end of the day - there are still enough differences there to make a distinction between them and his people. Obviously there's something missing - likely something that goes beyond looks or culture and is probably magical in nature.
It would explain why he makes it clear that the biggest sin of the Veil is cutting "most people's" (regardless of race) conscious connection to the Fade, or why when we mention 'his people' after WEWH he immediately defaults to mages and not elves, which he doesn't relate to much.
The there's Abelas in Temple of Mythal. Just go there as the Dalish Inquisitor or with Sera in the party. In both cases Abelas states that Sera and Inky only resemble elves. But if Solas is in the party, Abelas states that we're travelling with 'one of his own'. Ergo - he sees a difference between Solas and Sera/Inky at a glance and ATM we have no idea what it is.
I'm fairly sure that I didn't argue that EVERY dialogue has quadruple meaning. It's not necessary. What is necessary is to recognize how vague and prone to multiple interpretations significant portion of them are, especially in light of us simply not knowing many crucial details of things he's talking about.
Also - it's easy to say that 'he is warning us', when you ignore the question of 'why is he warning us in the first place?'... which is actually more pertinent here.
Oh? You've seen all his plans and how they want that you can state with certainty how many times he's failed and how many times he didn't? Well, you don't need to address this non-argument, because this argument is a glaring strawman.
Sorry, but such games don't work with me. There were no miracles - inspired Leliana is simply an effective negotiator and the world 'miraculously' was merely used for emphasis of her effectiveness. We know she's effective, because of a different outcome in a world-state in which we don't conclude her personal mission - a point you conveniently fail to acknowledge being mentioned.
Dunno... is the lack of baguettes of equal importance to you than an unexpected outcome of certain game choices apparent only after you sink days into playing the game? I mean, it doesn't bother me that much... but I can see how it can be a problem for some, and especially those who don't have as much time for experimenting with choices as I currently do. So it's only right, moral or justified if you do it? Lol, I'm sorry but... since when summoning demons was ever an acceptable method of 'trying to survive', especially on South? The fact that they summoned a dangerous demon, in times when the Veil and Fade went bonkers, let alone that they chose a big, dangerous Pride demon and ordered it to kill would be a reason enough to swiftly put an end to these mages. When we head to the place of the summoning circle there are bodies strewn around the area that are so burned and mutilated by the demon we can't say who they were - might as well be innocent victims. So either their eagerness to summon demons, or their ignorance on the matter, made them a danger to themselves and others. And to neutralize that danger from threatening more lives Solas is forced to participate in killing his own friend.
So no, sorry, but you can't - you can't use a rare moment of him briefly lashing out after a shattering emotional blow to portray his as someone who 'doesn't use his brain when emotions are involved'. We're talking about exception from the rule here and not some sort of consistent behavior where he just keeps mowing people for slightest annoyances or no good reason whatsoever.
Nevermind that Solas lashing out only after he saw his innocent friend suffer and die (and he was forced to contribute to it, which must've been traumatic on its own, given his history) actually speaks well of his character. We're shown that if he is to lose his temper it ain't because someone insulted him, or ruined his plans or threatens him, like in case of Corypheus - it's when he loses someone a friend to tragic circumstances. People can empathize and relate to this, because if there's one thing to understandably lose control of emotions over, however brief, it's this.
I mean... that's aside from the fact that you are supposed to be his ally who helps him through a difficult moment. At least that's what doing his mission suggests, considering that the quest won't trigger unless a.) your approval is high enough b.) you agree to help him c.) Solas won't touch a hair on their heads if you as much as utter his name, thus showing that he recognizes Inquisitor's role as judge in the matter regardless of his own emotional volatility at this point.
So whether those are 'wasted lives or not', if you're there and not stopping Solas "because you're not a babysitter" (are you like that for other companions as well? They ask for your help and choose to rely on you, oftentimes in making difficult decision and oftentimes in times of uncertainty or deep emotional vulnerability) you're the one who allowed these lives to go to waste.
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Post by Elessara on Mar 4, 2018 21:36:32 GMT
That alternative future never existed. Unless we're talking parallèle univers. If we visited it physically and then used information gleaned through it to dismantle Corypheus' schemes then it's a future/timeline that has most definitely existed. What's more, it doesn't just exist in memory of those who came back: in JOH we hear spirits mention the echoes of that future reverberating through the Fade. As for existence of parallel universes... well, we can't discount that. Especially that gameplay of all Dragon Age games is pretty much built on assumption that there are parallel universes, or something akin to that. Hence all the branching choices, world-states or ability to play different race/origin. Bah, spoilering the rest for length: There is simply no distinction made between elves and other races working for the organization. A fact further confirmed by Dalish Inquisitor also asking Solas "We aren't people to you?", just like Inquisitor of any other race. We already established that ATM we don't know who the elves have left to join. Plus - the fact that the they left to join doesn't speak anything of their survival or being treated as elves of old. They might as well merely serve a purpose to bring them back, after which they'd experience an 'end' of some sort themselves.
And you're missing the point. The fact that you're making a distinction now doesn't change the fact that you're stating something opposite to what you've been stating right before it. At first you were adamant that when he says 'your people' he means 'not-elves' and that's it - and now you're claiming that the phrase 'your people' the word can have... well... 'quadruple meaning', to quote your own words.
So which one is it? And if you think that he still cares about modern elves and has plans towards them that go beyond destruction - yet at the same time he says that they'd 'end' in some way, it means that similar thing can be applied to any other race.
Again - you can't have a cookie or eat it too. You can't at one point be adamant that there's only one meaning of the word/phrase, only to do a complete 180 in next paragraph without it reflecting pretty poorly on your whole argumentation.
Plus - if you want to make a sound argument, cherry-picking is not a way to do it. You can't point to few pieces of dialogue and ignore everything else that was said in the main game or Trespasser.
And if you insist in doing so, I can argue that Solas also saw EVERYONE as people from the start, because he states this to Blackwall: Solas: I will remember this. When it is over. Blackwall: This? This war? The Inquisition? Solas: The people. How you fought against the tide. It is... courageous.
... and also bring any time when he's addressed people as people, regardless of race. That doesn't change the fact that in Trespasser, which is a conclusion to everything in DAI, he consistently makes a distinction between ANY race that lives in modern Thedas and 'his people'. Modern elves included.
We don't really know why, though it's likely that he's deeply conflicted and, during events of Inquisition, he moves back and forth between relating to people of modern Thedas and sticking to his mission. But in Trespasser he makes it quite clear that - so far - he chooses to stick to his mission, and that mission is predicated on making a distinction between modern people and ancient elves.
IMO the main reason he occasionally relates more to modern elves than other races during the game is because elves are the ones who retained most characteristics of ancient people - if I recall correctly, even his writer mentioned this being the case. But even with elves being most similar it's fairly apparent that - at the end of the day - there are still enough differences there to make a distinction between them and his people. Obviously there's something missing - likely something that goes beyond looks or culture and is probably magical in nature.
It would explain why he makes it clear that the biggest sin of the Veil is cutting "most people's" (regardless of race) conscious connection to the Fade, or why when we mention 'his people' after WEWH he immediately defaults to mages and not elves, which he doesn't relate to much.
The there's Abelas in Temple of Mythal. Just go there as the Dalish Inquisitor or with Sera in the party. In both cases Abelas states that Sera and Inky only resemble elves. But if Solas is in the party, Abelas states that we're travelling with 'one of his own'. Ergo - he sees a difference between Solas and Sera/Inky at a glance and ATM we have no idea what it is.
I'm fairly sure that I didn't argue that EVERY dialogue has quadruple meaning. It's not necessary. What is necessary is to recognize how vague and prone to multiple interpretations significant portion of them are, especially in light of us simply not knowing many crucial details of things he's talking about.
Also - it's easy to say that 'he is warning us', when you ignore the question of 'why is he warning us in the first place?'... which is actually more pertinent here.
Oh? You've seen all his plans and how they want that you can state with certainty how many times he's failed and how many times he didn't? Well, you don't need to address this non-argument, because this argument is a glaring strawman.
Sorry, but such games don't work with me. There were no miracles - inspired Leliana is simply an effective negotiator and the world 'miraculously' was merely used for emphasis of her effectiveness. We know she's effective, because of a different outcome in a world-state in which we don't conclude her personal mission - a point you conveniently fail to acknowledge being mentioned.
Dunno... is the lack of baguettes of equal importance to you than an unexpected outcome of certain game choices apparent only after you sink days into playing the game? I mean, it doesn't bother me that much... but I can see how it can be a problem for some, and especially those who don't have as much time for experimenting with choices as I currently do. So it's only right, moral or justified if you do it? Lol, I'm sorry but... since when summoning demons was ever an acceptable method of 'trying to survive', especially on South? The fact that they summoned a dangerous demon, in times when the Veil and Fade went bonkers, let alone that they chose a big, dangerous Pride demon and ordered it to kill would be a reason enough to swiftly put an end to these mages. When we head to the place of the summoning circle there are bodies strewn around the area that are so burned and mutilated by the demon we can't say who they were - might as well be innocent victims. So either their eagerness to summon demons, or their ignorance on the matter, made them a danger to themselves and others. And to neutralize that danger from threatening more lives Solas is forced to participate in killing his own friend.
So no, sorry, but you can't - you can't use a rare moment of him briefly lashing out after a shattering emotional blow to portray his as someone who 'doesn't use his brain when emotions are involved'. We're talking about exception from the rule here and not some sort of consistent behavior where he just keeps mowing people for slightest annoyances or no good reason whatsoever.
Nevermind that Solas lashing out only after he saw his innocent friend suffer and die (and he was forced to contribute to it, which must've been traumatic on its own, given his history) actually speaks well of his character. We're shown that if he is to lose his temper it ain't because someone insulted him, or ruined his plans or threatens him, like in case of Corypheus - it's when he loses someone a friend to tragic circumstances. People can empathize and relate to this, because if there's one thing to understandably lose control of emotions over, however brief, it's this.
I mean... that's aside from the fact that you are supposed to be his ally who helps him through a difficult moment. At least that's what doing his mission suggests, considering that the quest won't trigger unless a.) your approval is high enough b.) you agree to help him c.) Solas won't touch a hair on their heads if you as much as utter his name, thus showing that he recognizes Inquisitor's role as judge in the matter regardless of his own emotional volatility at this point.
So whether those are 'wasted lives or not', if you're there and not stopping Solas "because you're not a babysitter" (are you like that for other companions as well? They ask for your help and choose to rely on you, oftentimes in making difficult decision and oftentimes in times of uncertainty or deep emotional vulnerability) you're the one who allowed these lives to go to waste.
midnight tea, you say that you can't have a cookie and eat it too but ... why not? If I have a cookie in my possession and I'm hungry, why can't I just eat it? I mean, I have it right? I'm assuming there's nothing physically preventing me from putting said cookie in my mouth and snarfing it down. Unless ... the cookie is poisoned! That's it, isn't it? You gave me a poisoned cookie! That's so mean of you, why would you do that? Yes I'm joking and being silly but ... I'm bored and hungry and you mentioned cookies, dammit!
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 4, 2018 22:01:06 GMT
midnight tea, you say that you can't have a cookie and eat it too but ... why not? If I have a cookie in my possession and I'm hungry, why can't I just eat it? I mean, I have it right? I'm assuming there's nothing physically preventing me from putting said cookie in my mouth and snarfing it down. Unless ... the cookie is poisoned! That's it, isn't it? You gave me a poisoned cookie! That's so mean of you, why would you do that? Yes I'm joking and being silly but ... I'm bored and hungry and you mentioned cookies, dammit!That's not a poison, that's a truth serum Now give me all your passwords! Anyway, as silly as it is, I'm always tempted to respond - well you can have a cookie and eat it too.... if you have two cookies! And speaking of silly and having one thing an not the other at the same time: Solas outfits - what's the preference? The default one or the wolf pelt one? Although when I say default... he might have showed up in the game in his nerdy green vest and backpack, but most promo images for the game shows him in his tattered elven coat. And I can't say I'm surprised. Good-looking coats forevah.
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Post by Elessara on Mar 4, 2018 22:19:28 GMT
midnight tea, you say that you can't have a cookie and eat it too but ... why not? If I have a cookie in my possession and I'm hungry, why can't I just eat it? I mean, I have it right? I'm assuming there's nothing physically preventing me from putting said cookie in my mouth and snarfing it down. Unless ... the cookie is poisoned! That's it, isn't it? You gave me a poisoned cookie! That's so mean of you, why would you do that? Yes I'm joking and being silly but ... I'm bored and hungry and you mentioned cookies, dammit!That's not a poison, that's a truth serum Now give me all your passwords! Anyway, as silly as it is, I'm always tempted to respond - well you can have a cookie and eat it too.... if you have two cookies! And speaking of silly and having one thing an not the other at the same time: Solas outfits - what's the preference? The default one or the wolf pelt one? Although when I say default... he might have showed up in the game in his nerdy green vest and backpack, but most promo images for the game shows him in his tattered elven coat. And I can't say I'm surprised. Good-looking coats forevah. Nooooo!! My passwords! They're all ... 12345678! *cries* Now you know everything! Two cookies ARE better than one, hmmm. And tbh, I'm not a fan of the wolf pelt outfit. Maybe if it wasn't such a giant, folded up pelt. Looks less like a wolf pelt and more like a bear skin rug rolled up and thrown over his shoulder. The tier3/4 version does at any rate. The lower tiers are not quite so bad. Still not a fan of animal skins in general.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 4, 2018 23:43:15 GMT
Nooooo!! My passwords! They're all ... 12345678! *cries* Now you know everything! Two cookies ARE better than one, hmmm. And tbh, I'm not a fan of the wolf pelt outfit. Maybe if it wasn't such a giant, folded up pelt. Looks less like a wolf pelt and more like a bear skin rug rolled up and thrown over his shoulder. The tier3/4 version does at any rate. The lower tiers are not quite so bad. Still not a fan of animal skins in general. That's still 3 numbers stronger that one of the most popular internet passwords there is: '12345'. Makes me want to weep for humanity... As for wolf pelt - I assume that its volume has a lot to do with how it's rendered, and it's rendered that way because it's supposed to be *fluffy*, yet the fluff part came out rather stiff. I also don't mind animal skin, especially that we know now that Solas wears it for a reason (probably had a pelt or two that wasn't eaten by moths yet...), plus I like how it's thrown over one shoulder (big fan of asymmetry here) which - paired with his bald head - fairly unsubtly brings to mind images of meditating Buddhist monks.... The downside of this thing is that it looks rather rich underneath all the tears and stains and doesn't really scream 'apostate hobo' at first glance. The skirt part is especially elaborate, with the fancy way it folds or how it's attached to belt on his back. Though, given that we find a fine set of armor in an old elven ruin, it's not like Solas wouldn't be able to dodge the question where a travelling apostate hobo who spends a lot of his time in abandoned places could get a piece of clothing like that.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Mar 5, 2018 0:11:22 GMT
That's still 3 numbers stronger that one of the most popular internet passwords there is: '12345'. Makes me want to weep for humanity... As for wolf pelt - I assume that its volume has a lot to do with how it's rendered, and it's rendered that way because it's supposed to be *fluffy*, yet the fluff part came out rather stiff. I also don't mind animal skin, especially that we know now that Solas wears it for a reason (probably had a pelt or two that wasn't eaten by moths yet...), plus I like how it's thrown over one shoulder (big fan of asymmetry here) which - paired with his bald her - fairly unsubtly brings to mind images of meditating Buddhist monks.... The downside of this thing is that it looks rather rich underneath all the tears and stains and doesn't really scream 'apostate hobo' at first glance. The skirt part is especially elaborate, with the fancy way it folds or how it's attached to belt on his back. Though, given that we find a fine set of armor in an old elven ruin, it's not like Solas wouldn't be able to dodge the question where a travelling apostate hobo who spends a lot of his time in abandoned places could get a piece of clothing like that. For that matter... It's a skin. It wasn't associated with only rich people in the past. In fact, during the height of the North American fur trade, it was people we'd consider poor who trapped the animals, skinned them, and tanned the skins. In theory, an apostate hobo could have done as much. Furs were the only way for people living in the far reaches of the northern and southern hemispheres to keep warm and active in the winter throughout much of human history, after all. Solas' other stuff does look valuable, agreed, but as you say, he could have found it.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 5, 2018 0:18:40 GMT
For that matter... It's a skin. It wasn't associated with only rich people in the past. In fact, during the height of the North American fur trade, it was people we'd consider poor who trapped the animals, skinned them, and tanned the skins. In theory, an apostate hobo could have done as much. Furs were the only way for people living in the far reaches of the northern and southern hemispheres to keep warm and active in the winter throughout much of human history, after all. I'm wasn't talking about wolf fur at that part, but but the coat. Faded as it is, it's made form rich, thick fabric and is sown elaborately by a skilled hand, with many fancy details - a far cry from Solas's apparently self-stitched vest made from straps of leather or coarse cloth. It's also less practical (dat ginormous hood at the back, lol) unless someone wants to argue that its design allows to weave in better enchantments suitable for long travel
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Post by Elessara on Mar 5, 2018 0:28:50 GMT
For that matter... It's a skin. It wasn't associated with only rich people in the past. In fact, during the height of the North American fur trade, it was people we'd consider poor who trapped the animals, skinned them, and tanned the skins. In theory, an apostate hobo could have done as much. Furs were the only way for people living in the far reaches of the northern and southern hemispheres to keep warm and active in the winter throughout much of human history, after all. I'm wasn't talking about wolf fur at that part, but but the coat. Faded as it is, it's made form rich, thick fabric and is sown elaborately by a skilled hand, with many fancy details - a far cry from Solas's apparently self-stitched vest made from straps of leather or coarse cloth. It's also less practical (dat ginormous hood at the back, lol) unless someone wants to argue that its design allows to weave in better enchantments suitable for long travel I bet it's designed to be fire resistant! Not that Solas would ever accidentally set his own coattails on fire or anything ...
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 5, 2018 0:47:07 GMT
I'm wasn't talking about wolf fur at that part, but but the coat. Faded as it is, it's made form rich, thick fabric and is sown elaborately by a skilled hand, with many fancy details - a far cry from Solas's apparently self-stitched vest made from straps of leather or coarse cloth. It's also less practical (dat ginormous hood at the back, lol) unless someone wants to argue that its design allows to weave in better enchantments suitable for long travel I bet it's designed to be fire resistant! Not that Solas would ever accidentally set his own coattails on fire or anything ... Perhaps they were fire resistant, but he's set them on fire so often that that enchantment wore off... it would explain the torn edges I bet he wants to bring the world of the elves back, because he misses things like customer service and emergency coat repairs. But joking aside (a bit...) - given that our own armor, in modern Thedas, can be enchanted or imbued with all kinds of magical effects, from healing to offense, it's not crazy to think that elven clothing would have even more elaborate stuff woven into it, maybe even allowing elves to look like crazy anime characters, yet still retain full functionality! (it would also explain how come Solas's rich-looking, thick robes on his murals would be described in Evanuris propaganda pamphlet as 'humble'). Dat golden tight-fit armor worn over body-hugging chainmail.... there'd be soooooo much chafing if it was the real world. Plus, we do know that Felassan had either known a spell that allowed him to repel rain, or had his cloak enchanted to repel it (it was also noted by Briala to always look clean despite decades of travel). So I headcanon that Solas is not afraid either of places like Emprise do Lion or Western Approach because he has an appropriate enchant/spell for that. Also, since my main Lavellan is a total hothouse orchid, she keeps using her dislike of cold as a pretext to hug him or push her hands underneath the wolf fur to keep them warm
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Post by procutemeister on Mar 6, 2018 7:15:23 GMT
I actually like the wolf pelt armor a lot, the apprentice coat's design (the default sweater & green vest) is nice too but it definitely looks like a starter armor (imo, at least). The wolf pelt looks a bit fancier cos of the detailing and p appropriate for cold Fereldan weather.
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Post by Elessara on Mar 6, 2018 12:11:25 GMT
I actually like the wolf pelt armor a lot, the apprentice coat's design (the default sweater & green vest) is nice too but it definitely looks like a starter armor (imo, at least). The wolf pelt looks a bit fancier cos of the detailing and p appropriate for cold Fereldan weather. Yeah, it's nice for Ferelden but it must be hotter than hell when we go to the Western Approach, Hissing Wastes, or that oasis place.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 6, 2018 13:05:43 GMT
I actually like the wolf pelt armor a lot, the apprentice coat's design (the default sweater & green vest) is nice too but it definitely looks like a starter armor (imo, at least). The wolf pelt looks a bit fancier cos of the detailing and p appropriate for cold Fereldan weather. Yeah, it's nice for Ferelden but it must be hotter than hell when we go to the Western Approach, Hissing Wastes, or that oasis place. If Solas knows a spell to prevent sunburn from bald head he probably knows to keep himself nice and toasty when cold (would explain walking near-barefoot in Frostbacks...) and comfortably cool on the deserts.
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Post by Faust on Mar 6, 2018 21:41:35 GMT
Had some trouble with the quotes, but I made my answers clear. That's what I said. Until elves left to help Solas. Then they are his people, not yours. We will agree to disagree on the "why" they left. Still think they left for Solas. And I think it does, speak something of their survival. Elves have something more than other races, that's why your dalish Inq see the cross road (in trespasser, I'm not sure if it's called like that in englisH) differently. In trespasser, your people = not elves. I was pointing out how he can use the term to express different things. Of course I think he cares about modern Elves. You'll have to show me the dialogue where he says he'll "end" them, because I can't find it. Or you just dont get what i'm saying and I'll eat your cookie too. Like I said, he uses " My, your, our, the people" with different meanings. But when he says "our people" to Sera for exemple, you put 2 and 2 together, and you understand that it only means one thing --> Elves as a race. It doesn't contradict what I say. Quote please. I think so too, and I also think he plans on correcting that. But again, I believe Solas support modern Elves and they joined him. You don't. About the author, I'm not saying that in a mean way, but I don't care what he says in an interview. I care about what he succeeded to show me IN the game. It's pretty understandable that he relates more to a modern elf than a qunari. But they are elves, they are the consequence of his actions, and they are at the bottom of the food chain, isnt he the rebel god ?. I'll be veeeerrry disapointed if he treats them like he would any other race. Especially if, like I believe, they are working for him. WEWH ??? Yes I remember being pissed at him. Does Abelas sees modern elves like Solas did when he woke up ? Did stubborn/stupid dalish came to him once ? Are modern Elves in some way the result of a degenerate evolution ? Questions Questions.Is it ? As a leader, you can only act with the information you have. If Solas doesn't share what he knows, you'll learn it in time by following him to kill or redeem. That's what you told me. And that's what you got from the game. You can't reform a religious institution by simply be a good negociator (unless your in the beautiful world of thedas it seems). I'll only be convinced by "soft Leliana" when Bioware tells me how she did it, whitout even causing a scission.
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Q. what does Salos say? A. blop mlam mlam
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Q. what does Salos say? A. blop mlam mlam That makes about as much sense as anything else he says.
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Q. what does Salos say? A. blop mlam mlam Damn, now the mental image of Solas singing "What does the Fox Wolf Say?" stuck in my head. "Blep mlem mlemny mlem, mlem mlemny mlem, Blep mlem mlmeny mlem, mlem mlemny mlem, Blep mlem mlemny mlem, mlem mlemny mlen, What does the wolf say?"
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