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Post by arvaarad on Mar 17, 2018 22:15:35 GMT
The Half-Life of Element Zero is a really good recent one. It’s so recent it’s still in progress, with fairly regular updates. I’m in awe of how the writer manages to make such a challenging premise into a grounded, believable story. Hey, if we're recommending Mass Effect fics.... *shameless self-promotion* Oh, it’s a Dragon Age fic. That’s what I meant when I referred to its “challenging premise”. The protagonist has not just modern knowledge, but space-age knowledge, and none of Thedas’ liars are prepared for someone like that. The writer is an absolute genius at handling all the canon divergences that result.
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Post by Gwyvian on Mar 17, 2018 22:18:39 GMT
Hey, if we're recommending Mass Effect fics.... *shameless self-promotion* Oh, it’s a Dragon Age fic. That’s what I meant when I referred to its “challenging premise”. The protagonist has not just modern knowledge, but space-age knowledge, and none of Thedas’ liars are prepared for someone like that. The writer is an absolute genius at handling all the canon divergences that result. It's an ME/DA crossover then kind of....? The title threw me off, it literally says "Element Zero", hahaha. Oh, well, I withdraw my promotion, then.
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Post by arvaarad on Mar 17, 2018 22:54:33 GMT
Oh, it’s a Dragon Age fic. That’s what I meant when I referred to its “challenging premise”. The protagonist has not just modern knowledge, but space-age knowledge, and none of Thedas’ liars are prepared for someone like that. The writer is an absolute genius at handling all the canon divergences that result. It's an ME/DA crossover then kind of....? Yep! The protag is someone who got frozen for the Andromeda Initiative and gets separated from the ship. Several millennia later, she crash-lands in Thedas. It does some interesting stuff with the theme where she’s in a similar situation to ancient elves. Not only is she from a more advanced society, but she literally slept for thousands of years and is possibly even older than they are. Also templar powers do nothing to biotics, which creates just a weeeee bit of tension. I haven’t played any ME games and I still look forward to every update.
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Post by talyn82 on Mar 23, 2018 5:58:43 GMT
I haven't beat Inquisition yet. I have 487 hours with the same character since launch. Due to my completionist ways I have to explore and collect everything. I usually spend 15 hours or more in one are like the Hinterlands.
My questions are these: What is Solas? Is he more powerful than Flemeth? Lastly, what is his endgame?
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 23, 2018 6:01:37 GMT
I haven't beat Inquisition yet. I have 487 hours with the same character since launch. Due to my completionist ways I have to explore and collect everything. I usually spend 15 hours or more in one are like the Hinterlands. My questions are these: What is Solas? Is he more powerful than Flemeth? Lastly, what is his endgame? I'm not sure it's a question we can answer fully at this point. It's a piece of story that doesn't end on Inquisition, or its epilogue DLC.
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Post by talyn82 on Mar 23, 2018 6:05:47 GMT
I haven't beat Inquisition yet. I have 487 hours with the same character since launch. Due to my completionist ways I have to explore and collect everything. I usually spend 15 hours or more in one are like the Hinterlands. My questions are these: What is Solas? Is he more powerful than Flemeth? Lastly, what is his endgame? I'm not sure it's a question we can answer fully at this point. It's a piece of story that doesn't end on Inquisition, or its epilogue DLC. No problem. I was reading before the DA4 section and they mentioned that Solas would probably be the enemy, and that he has a big plan for the world.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Mar 23, 2018 12:35:15 GMT
No problem. I was reading before the DA4 section and they mentioned that Solas would probably be the enemy, and that he has a big plan for the world. Are you able to play the Trespasser DLC on your system? If so you'll understand why people are saying that in the DA4 section. But, as Midnight Tea says, no one really knows the answers to your questions at the moment.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 23, 2018 15:57:36 GMT
Right now I'm reading Tell it from the Mountain by deleriumofyou on AO3. It is a bit different but I find it refreshing and well written! It is a Solas romance but not Solavellan, Inq is an Avvar I read that one a while back, really enjoyed it. Really wish we could have had an Avvar background for the Warden or Inquisitor, it'd have been a unique experience. GeekRemix's take on the breakup in Trespasser always makes me chuckle. Stacy: Girl, he dumped you. It's time to move on. Mari: Yeah, pretty much. Stacy: You're like, not respecting yourself anymore. Mari: I know. Cassandra's like, "Really?" And Sera's like, " REALLY?" And all the girls are like "Uhm, girl." Stacy: And the Inquisitor's like "He's been helping me, I have to save him!". And they're like, "Okay, this has gone too far. I can't enable this behaviour any further". (Followed by an NSFW speculation that Lavellan's devotion is down to how seriously freaky Solas might be in bed) And they're not wrong, everyone in Trespasser disapproves of the "Save him" option and kept advising Lavellan to find someone else.
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Post by phoray on Mar 23, 2018 16:05:35 GMT
And they're not wrong, everyone in Trespasser disapproves of the "Save him" option and kept advising Lavellan to find someone else. We were just friends my blind first PT and I totally said it. In my first PT, he and Cole were my buds, and Blackwall my LI until his big drama played out. I mean, I said it with some doubt because Viddasalla seemed very confident he was a bad guy. I also thought I was honestly going to die so swearing to hunt him down seemed a little over optimistic so I went with "I'll show you there's a better way" or whatever. First play throughs are so great
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 23, 2018 16:11:42 GMT
GeekRemix's take on the breakup in Trespasser always makes me chuckle. Stacy: Girl, he dumped you. It's time to move on. Mari: Yeah, pretty much. Stacy: You're like, not respecting yourself anymore. Mari: I know. Cassandra's like, "Really?" And Sera's like, " REALLY?" And all the girls are like "Uhm, girl." Stacy: And the Inquisitor's like "He's been helping me, I have to save him!". And they're like, "Okay, this has gone too far. I can't enable this behaviour any further". (Followed by an NSFW speculation that Lavellan's devotion is down to how seriously freaky Solas might be in bed) And they're not wrong, everyone in Trespasser disapproves of the "Save him" option and kept advising Lavellan to find someone else. Well no, Cole didn't Also... who kept advising Lavellan to find someone else, aside from Vivienne mentioning that she deserves someone better? Anyway, I don't think it's fair to characterize having less romantic interactions with Solas as Lavellan not really knowing him that well. After all, do people forget that Inky's and Solas's friendship - all those interactions, questions, discussions and time spent together in the world - is still there? In fact, their friendship is prerequisite for romance; it's grown from it, as is the case with many other romances. So it's not like these things are separate from one another.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 23, 2018 16:19:42 GMT
And they're not wrong, everyone in Trespasser disapproves of the "Save him" option and kept advising Lavellan to find someone else. We were just friends my blind first PT and I totally said it. In my first PT, he and Cole were my buds, and Blackwall my LI until his big drama played out. I mean, I said it with some doubt because Viddasalla seemed very confident he was a bad guy. I also thought I was honestly going to die so swearing to hunt him down seemed a little over optimistic so I went with "I'll show you there's a better way" or whatever. First play throughs are so great But... as I recall nobody disapproves a friend telling that they still want to help Solas? That's just something Weekes injected last minute into the game for romance - an unexpected joke, like first-time romancer who picked Solas seeing "Beloved and Precious" achievement popping out the moment Solas dumps Lavellan Anyhoo - I don't consider snap reactions made in a spur of a moment after big reveal as fully encompassing everyone's feelings on the matter. They are snap reactions after all and I'm sure Inquisitor and companions will keep mulling the issue in their heads and discussing their attitudes for years to come.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 23, 2018 17:27:30 GMT
Also... who kept advising Lavellan to find someone else, aside from Vivienne mentioning that she deserves someone better? Okay, no-one directly says it in so many words (except Vivienne) but Blackwall and Sera could be read that way. Blackwall cautiously asks about whether Solas ever came back or sent word, with the unspoken question being whether Lavellan has moved on in the two year time-skip. Based on his awkward reaction regardless of what response you give him, it seems that he realises that she hasn't and quickly drops the subject. Sera also seems to infer that Lavellan deserved better with her comment that she's not sorry that Solas left, but she is "sorry he left you".
(Cassandra probably doesn't count, since she has the same dialogue about the Inquisitor getting "married" regardless of your romance status or LI. But I guess if you wanted to interpret it this way, you could see it as her being supportive of Lavellan getting into a new, serious relationship after what happened with Solas)
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Post by Sifr on Mar 23, 2018 17:31:08 GMT
Well no, Cole didn't Darn, I completely forgot about Cole being our resident shipper on deck.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 23, 2018 17:45:58 GMT
Also... who kept advising Lavellan to find someone else, aside from Vivienne mentioning that she deserves someone better? Okay, no-one directly says it in so many words (except Vivienne) but Blackwall and Sera could be read that way. Blackwall cautiously asks about whether Solas ever came back or sent word, with the unspoken question being whether Lavellan has moved on in the two year time-skip. Based on his awkward reaction regardless of what response you give him, it seems that he realises that she hasn't and quickly drops the subject. Sera also seems to infer that Lavellan deserved better with her comment that she's not sorry that Solas left, but she is "sorry he left you".
(Cassandra probably doesn't count, since she has the same dialogue about the Inquisitor getting "married" regardless of your romance status or LI. But I guess if you wanted to interpret it this way, you could see it as her being supportive of Lavellan getting into a new, serious relationship after what happened with Solas) I don't think quickly dropping the subject and Sera expressing her dislike of Solas can count as everyone 'advising Lavellan to get over him' (and I have a feeling Sera would disapprove regardless of what happened, given her dislike of Solas) And Cassandra's awkwardness could be read in different ways - including being confused or concerned with it all, if she knew that Lavellan still harbored feelings for the not-so-resident-anymore Fade Nerd. In any case, Cassandra simply seems to care about her friend's happiness, regardless of what he/she chooses - she's basically said so at the end.
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Post by talyn82 on Mar 23, 2018 18:44:16 GMT
No problem. I was reading before the DA4 section and they mentioned that Solas would probably be the enemy, and that he has a big plan for the world. Are you able to play the Trespasser DLC on your system? If so you'll understand why people are saying that in the DA4 section. But, as Midnight Tea says, no one really knows the answers to your questions at the moment. I'm on PC so I can play Trespasser. The thing is due to my completionist nature I've been stuck with the same character for 487 hours since launch. I can't move on to the next area without fully exploring the current one. As for Solas, I'll guess I'll find out in the next game.
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Post by arvaarad on Mar 23, 2018 21:36:04 GMT
Well no, Cole didn't Darn, I completely forgot about Cole being our resident shipper on deck. He secretly lives for that Drama TM, doesn’t he? Form a gentle, stable relationship with Dorian, and he’s like, “all right, glad he’s happy.” Get jiggy with the Great Betrayer (or the empress who murdered your family), and suddenly Cole is glued to the screen like an 80 year old granny watching a soap.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 23, 2018 21:41:40 GMT
Darn, I completely forgot about Cole being our resident shipper on deck. He secretly lives for that Drama TM, doesn’t he? Form a gentle, stable relationship with Dorian, and he’s like, “all right, glad he’s happy.” Get jiggy with the Great Betrayer (or the empress who murdered your family), and suddenly Cole is glued to the screen like an 80 year old granny watching a soap. I bet that if he's remained a spirit he has all those Fade-posters and Fade-flyers to encourage his spirit friends to cheer for the ship It may even be a bit like this:
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 23, 2018 23:12:30 GMT
No? Actually the discussion kicked off with a question of clarification on where you had received the idea that Briala was a PoC. You responded with your quotes from the book, hence this shenanigans. No one is really questioning or nay-saying the comments on Sera and Solas because they had already been discussed with the response of 'Concept'. I suppose you might have missed those? By providing direct quotes from TME it gave a sounding board for discussion that hadn't really been explored yet. So why wouldn't anyone pitch in? It's new fodder. You're forgetting about a certain someone bringing up 'identity politics' and claiming that MLK would be against diversity in entertainment. That happened beforehand. (I know this is a old comment) In fact, Dr. King regretted integration of black and white people because of all the bad blood between us, and he said and quote: "I'm afraid that I put my people into a burning house."
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Mar 24, 2018 3:43:23 GMT
He secretly lives for that Drama TM, doesn’t he? Form a gentle, stable relationship with Dorian, and he’s like, “all right, glad he’s happy.” Get jiggy with the Great Betrayer (or the empress who murdered your family), and suddenly Cole is glued to the screen like an 80 year old granny watching a soap. I bet that if he's remained a spirit he has all those Fade-posters and Fade-flyers to encourage his spirit friends to cheer for the ship It may even be a bit like this: Even years later, Scuttle in that clip kills me.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 24, 2018 4:10:24 GMT
I don't think quickly dropping the subject and Sera expressing her dislike of Solas can count as everyone 'advising Lavellan to get over him' (and I have a feeling Sera would disapprove regardless of what happened, given her dislike of Solas) And Cassandra's awkwardness could be read in different ways - including being confused or concerned with it all, if she knew that Lavellan still harbored feelings for the not-so-resident-anymore Fade Nerd. In any case, Cassandra simply seems to care about her friend's happiness, regardless of what he/she chooses - she's basically said so at the end. True enough, I could perhaps be reading too much into things. (Maybe it's cause after all she's been through, poor Lavellan deserves some kind of happy ending, even if she can't have one with Solas) I'm on PC so I can play Trespasser. The thing is due to my completionist nature I've been stuck with the same character for 487 hours since launch. I can't move on to the next area without fully exploring the current one. As for Solas, I'll guess I'll find out in the next game. I'm the same, every playthrough with me is a completionist one. That's why it usually takes me 50 hours to get to Skyhold, 100-120 hours before I reach WEWH and HTLA and I complete the game around the 150 hour mark. With all the DLC, that usually means I clock in around 200+ hours by the time I finish Trespasser.
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Post by Sifr on Mar 24, 2018 4:12:05 GMT
You're forgetting about a certain someone bringing up 'identity politics' and claiming that MLK would be against diversity in entertainment. That happened beforehand. (I know this is a old comment) In fact, Dr. King regretted integration of black and white people because of all the bad blood between us, and he said and quote: "I'm afraid that I put my people into a burning house." Maybe you should stay in Nevarra if you insist on being a Necromancer.
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Post by legbamel on Mar 26, 2018 2:30:51 GMT
I don't think this has come up, but in a thread this long who can remember?! If Solas succeeds and everyone gets magic, how do you think the Qunari will react once everyone is a Saarebas? Their teachings are clearly not sustainable if there no Arvaarads and they consider magic a corrupting influence. Will they implode as a culture, will there be mass suicides, will there be splinter groups that deal with the new situation in much different ways (and possibly in conflict with one another)? There would be so many things that would change even if Solas's weird implication that everyone will die turns out to be some sort of metaphor or hyperbole. I have so many questions that I'm fairly sure the games will never have time to address...
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 26, 2018 13:07:55 GMT
I don't think this has come up, but in a thread this long who can remember?! If Solas succeeds and everyone gets magic, how do you think the Qunari will react once everyone is a Saarebas? Their teachings are clearly not sustainable if there no Arvaarads and they consider magic a corrupting influence. Will they implode as a culture, will there be mass suicides, will there be splinter groups that deal with the new situation in much different ways (and possibly in conflict with one another)? There would be so many things that would change even if Solas's weird implication that everyone will die turns out to be some sort of metaphor or hyperbole. I have so many questions that I'm fairly sure the games will never have time to address... I'm not sure. Your scenario assumes that anyone would be of sound enough mind to make decisions based on their doctrine. And we can't really tell what would happen, or if returning magic to everybody is what would happen. There are things pointing towards that - but some among them also suggest that sudden return of magic may end with most people's minds unable to handle it. It'll be probably a bit like Tranquils. Solas has already made a direct comparison - and while this comparison ain't exactly literal; people aren't Tranquils per se - it pointed a direction towards which we should be looking. And we do know that Tranquility may be reversed, but that it comes with its own problems. Cassandra: Solas, I assume you know it's possible to reverse the Rite of Tranquility. Solas: I did hear of what you learned, yes. Cassandra: I know of only one mage thus cured, and... he had no control of his emotions. He was distraught. Cassandra: Do you think that would have passed? If the Tranquil are cured only to end up thus... Solas: They would be a danger to themselves and others, yes. Solas: It is difficult to say. In your Vigil, you were Tranquil for but a moment. They have suffered much longer. Solas: Such control is like a muscle, atrophying without use. Given time it might be restored, but until then... Cassandra: That may be a risk we are obligated to undertake. Solas: They will be grateful... even the ones who do not survive.If control over emotions and - per Solas's (and Morrigan's in Last Court) suggestion - magic is like a muscle and it atrophies without use, and if that control has diminished considerably in a person who has been cut away from it only for a period of time, how would that control be diminished in people who have been mostly cut from magic for millenia? (and that's not taking into account being raised in culture in which magic is feared) If the plan is about returning magic to world and everyone, I think Solas's attitude towards it is like in that specific dialogue above - something that may be beneficial in the long run, but a lot of modern people will not survive this transition. And I'm not even sure if these people will die per se, but if the mind gets affected to a point where a person loses control, or forget former life, the difference between that and death is effectively small. People with stronger connection to Fade will perhaps be more resistant to side-effects (mages or elves), but even in their regard it's hard to say what would happen. ...Or would sub-conscious connection that most people have now be enough when a trickle of magic turns into waterfall? I think this is where Solas wants to give Inky a chance to prove him wrong, or perhaps find a way/convince him to allow for return of magic to be more gradual, compared to sudden influx of magic. I have to admit though... I kinda wonder sometimes if the plan to rip up the Veil has been a done deal since the Conclave, or loss of the Orb? There are some things Solas says suggesting that at best we may be talking about partial restoration/slow degradation of the Veil, instead of its dramatic tearing and Fade flooding the world. So perhaps the plan IS for magic to gradually return after poking smaller holes in the Veil, but how it affects people, or any threat that may come after Fen'Harel is anyone's guess.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 26, 2018 13:22:40 GMT
Did anyone here pick the Falon'din vallaslin? It doesn't seem to be one of the most popular options.
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