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Post by Solas on Apr 6, 2018 9:06:16 GMT
Is this why the Ancient Elves often would enter Uthenera? Even immortals get tired waiting for develops to get cracking on the next game. actually yea From Codex Entry: The Blanketfort - "They felt no need to rush when life was endless. They worshipped their favorite characters for months at a time. Decisions came after pages of lore debate, and a discussion thread could last for years. From time to time, our ancestors would drift into months-long periods of inactivity between games, but this was not death, for we know they wandered the Twitter Thread in lurkdom."
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Post by Sifr on Apr 6, 2018 17:33:56 GMT
Speaking of June... I did hear theories floating about that June may have been a dwarf. Thoughts? The Evanuris were mage-lords that ruled over the Elves... but no-one ever said all the Evanuris were Elves, did they? Is there some connection between the Evanuris and the Anvil of the Void? The Eluvian network extends into the Deep Roads, the Evanuris waged war against the Titans and there are legends about them (specifically Andruil) travelling to the Void and making weapons/armour of it. It's also noted in a codex entry that June is the "Creator" least depicted out of the Elven pantheon. What if the lack of depiction was because June was never an Elf, so his cult never gained as many followers as the other Evanuris? Or that depictions of him were destroyed by later generations to cover up his non-Elven nature, similar to how the Chantry attempted to suppress knowledge of Shartan and (most likely) Inquisitor Ameridan? Also out of all the Evanuris, June's name lacks any typical Elvish elements we can recognise or (partially) translate. Compare that to the others; Elgar'nan: "Revenge/Vengeance Spirit" Mythal: Meaning unknown. "Thal" however appears in other words ("Lethallin"). Falon'Din: "Friend of the Dead" (Although I wonder if a loose translation could be "Enemy" instead, from "Not Friend") Andruil: Meaning unknown. "And" appears in other words ("Andaran") and names ("Andras"). Sylaise: Meaning unknown. "Syl" appears in "Tarasyl'an Te'las" the Elven name of Skyhold. Ghilan'nain: Full translation unclear, but "Ghilana" means "to guide" Dirthamen: Full translation unclear, but "Dirth" can mean "to speak" or "knowledge/secrets". Fen'Harel: "Dead/Rebel Wolf".
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Post by Julilla on Apr 6, 2018 20:44:20 GMT
From Codex Entry: The Blanketfort - "They felt no need to rush when life was endless. They worshipped their favorite characters for months at a time. Decisions came after pages of lore debate, and a discussion thread could last for years. From time to time, our ancestors would drift into months-long periods of inactivity between games, but this was not death, for we know they wandered the Twitter Thread in lurkdom." Thread-dad enaste, lethallin. Thread-dad enaste.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 9, 2018 19:26:49 GMT
Whoever says Solas doesn't care about modern elves is lying.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Apr 9, 2018 22:36:44 GMT
I thought the twisty things were Ghilan’nain’s horns? But then, I accidentally gave a Lavellan Inquisitor June vallaslin because I thought it was Falon’din’s. So... grain of salt. Speaking of June... I did hear theories floating about that June may have been a dwarf. Thoughts? Well, June's mural appears to have an anvil with a hammer and tongs in it, and the detail in the background is more angular and geometric, compared to the swirly flowing designs of the others. So I'd say it makes sense.
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Post by legbamel on Apr 11, 2018 2:29:19 GMT
Is this why the Ancient Elves often would enter Uthenera? Even immortals get tired waiting for develops to get cracking on the next game. actually yea From Codex Entry: The Blanketfort - "They felt no need to rush when life was endless. They worshipped their favorite characters for months at a time. Decisions came after pages of lore debate, and a discussion thread could last for years. From time to time, our ancestors would drift into months-long periods of inactivity between games, but this was not death, for we know they wandered the Twitter Thread in lurkdom." [lurk lurk]
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Post by wildenight on Apr 17, 2018 1:05:21 GMT
*de-lurks* It only took me 2 weeks to read through this lovely thread from page one to three-hundred and fifteen. Whew.
Anyway, *waves* Hi. I'm a hopeless Solasmancer. I blame co-workers (and the Orign/Steam sale this past holiday) for the jump to team Elf. I was happy with my first playthrough as a Mage Trevelyn. And now, I'm stuck in Solavellen hell. Though, honestly most of Bioware's romances move me in one way or another. I have characters staged for an Iron Bull and Dorian run. But, the Dread Wolf has taken me to the point where I haven't even made time to update my SWTOR fan fiction in a few months. I have big apologies to offer my lovely readers once I can pull myself away from Thedas and back into a galaxy far, far away.
So... when's DA 4 coming out? *stares impatiently at the Devs. Especially Domino because she and I go way back to EverQuest2 days* Because... you know... I'm also on Team Optimism. *waves flag proudly*
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Post by Iddy on Apr 17, 2018 2:20:30 GMT
Can anyone explains Solas' behavior in WPHW?
Morrigan: I'll drink it.
Solas: Your greedy ass can't be trusted!
Inq: Do you wanna drink?
Solas: Hell no!
Inq: I guess it's up to me, then. *drinks*
Solas: You shouldn't have done that!
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Post by uirebhiril on Apr 17, 2018 2:27:55 GMT
Can anyone explains Solas' behavior in WPHW? I vaguely recall that being revealed as a writing goof.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Apr 17, 2018 4:04:10 GMT
Yes, someone on Twitter asked Patrick Weekes about it, and this was the reply:
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Post by Elessara on Apr 17, 2018 23:18:02 GMT
*de-lurks* It only took me 2 weeks to read through this lovely thread from page one to three-hundred and fifteen. Whew. Anyway, *waves* Hi. I'm a hopeless Solasmancer. I blame co-workers (and the Orign/Steam sale this past holiday) for the jump to team Elf. I was happy with my first playthrough as a Mage Trevelyn. And now, I'm stuck in Solavellen hell. Though, honestly most of Bioware's romances move me in one way or another. I have characters staged for an Iron Bull and Dorian run. But, the Dread Wolf has taken me to the point where I haven't even made time to update my SWTOR fan fiction in a few months. I have big apologies to offer my lovely readers once I can pull myself away from Thedas and back into a galaxy far, far away. So... when's DA 4 coming out? *stares impatiently at the Devs. Especially Domino because she and I go way back to EverQuest2 days* Because... you know... I'm also on Team Optimism. *waves flag proudly* Off topic: Wait, Domino is on the DA team? She was awesome as the tradeskill dev in EQ2, she did great things for crafting. I hated it when they took her off.
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Post by talyn82 on Apr 18, 2018 1:27:44 GMT
I haven't beaten the game yet, and haven't gotten far with Solas. But I saw a spoiler somewhere that referred to Solas as the "Wolf." Now from this forum, I gather Solas is something special. Is he the wolf god that is also referred to as the trickster, who locked up the ancient elven gods?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 18, 2018 3:01:44 GMT
I haven't beaten the game yet, and haven't gotten far with Solas. But I saw a spoiler somewhere that referred to Solas as the "Wolf." Now from this forum, I gather Solas is something special. Is he the wolf god that is also referred to as the trickster, who locked up the ancient elven gods? Yes. Solas is Fen’Harel, the Dread Wolf.
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Post by talyn82 on Apr 18, 2018 3:12:47 GMT
I haven't beaten the game yet, and haven't gotten far with Solas. But I saw a spoiler somewhere that referred to Solas as the "Wolf." Now from this forum, I gather Solas is something special. Is he the wolf god that is also referred to as the trickster, who locked up the ancient elven gods? Yes. Solas is Fen’Harel, the Dread Wolf. I figured since I've been hearing he may be the enemy in DA4 and he was referred to as Wolf, and that he was special. Thanks for the clarification.
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 20, 2018 5:36:44 GMT
Okay... this is somewhat interesting (in the sea of nothing interesting happening in world of DA4 news T_T...). We already know from one of Weekess interviews that the precise meaning of the name is "to stand tall" and denotes the notion of pride, but apparently there may more to it than that (and that's aside from pride having both positive and negative connotations). On one hand it's not surprising, given that Elvhen words and phrases can have multiple meanings/are context-dependent - on the other: I find it curious that apparently the full answer to Solas's chosen/given name is relevant enough to future events/revelations that it merits a spoiler warning from current Lead Writer for the series (we also know from aforementioned interview that Weekes refused to answer whether Solas has gone by any other names that we don't yet know... though he does mention that he's sure that he probably had at some point). Indirectly, it also puts musings about Solas being so defined by his pride/being pride into question a bit. Not to say that they're rendered untrue, or that there's no link there. Both (or more) meanings of the name may be equally relevant in the end. It just makes it seem that there's more to the picture that we don't yet see, based on the name alone.
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Post by Solas on Apr 21, 2018 10:33:14 GMT
*de-lurks* It only took me 2 weeks to read through this lovely thread from page one to three-hundred and fifteen. Whew. Anyway, *waves* Hi. I'm a hopeless Solasmancer. I blame co-workers (and the Orign/Steam sale this past holiday) for the jump to team Elf. I was happy with my first playthrough as a Mage Trevelyn. And now, I'm stuck in Solavellen hell. Though, honestly most of Bioware's romances move me in one way or another. I have characters staged for an Iron Bull and Dorian run. But, the Dread Wolf has taken me to the point where I haven't even made time to update my SWTOR fan fiction in a few months. I have big apologies to offer my lovely readers once I can pull myself away from Thedas and back into a galaxy far, far away. So... when's DA 4 coming out? *stares impatiently at the Devs. Especially Domino because she and I go way back to EverQuest2 days* Because... you know... I'm also on Team Optimism. *waves flag proudly* hello welcome and now you must read the hundreds of pages in the old versions of this thread! see you in two months!
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Post by Auirel on Apr 21, 2018 12:55:17 GMT
Okay... this is somewhat interesting (in the sea of nothing interesting happening in world of DA4 news T_T...). We already know from one of Weekess interviews that the precise meaning of the name is "to stand tall" and denotes the notion of pride, but apparently there may more to it than that (and that's aside from pride having both positive and negative connotations). On one hand it's not surprising, given that Elvhen words and phrases can have multiple meanings/are context-dependent - on the other: I find it curious that apparently the full answer to Solas's chosen/given name is relevant enough to future events/revelations that it merits a spoiler warning from current Lead Writer for the series (we also know from aforementioned interview that Weekes refused to answer whether Solas has gone by any other names that we don't yet know... though he does mention that he's sure that he probably had at some point). Indirectly, it also puts musings about Solas being so defined by his pride/being pride into question a bit. Not to say that they're rendered untrue, or that there's no link there. Both (or more) meanings of the name may be equally relevant in the end. It just makes it seem that there's more to the picture that we don't yet see, based on the name alone. GAAAAAAH WHAT? If this is actually a thing... AGH and its too meta so Lavellan CAN'T know this or figure it out. FFFFFFFFF. Like I get that she's going to know his one fear of dying alone but this just... Weekes you wonderful devious bastard.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 21, 2018 18:01:07 GMT
Someone needs to ask Weekes whether we're looking at the whole name thing backwards. What if Solas wasn't named after the Elvhen language word for "Pride", but the Elvhen word for "Pride" derives from his name? (Wouldn't be unheard of, English has words named after famous individuals, " Mesmerise", " Galvinise", etc)
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Post by dreadwoof on Apr 21, 2018 18:54:44 GMT
So since Weekes himself just gave attention to those specific questions about Solas..... then this means the answers could all be given next game? Specifically about the background story? Please? tbh I'd kill for a juicy novel about ye olde Elvhenan rebellion
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 21, 2018 19:32:09 GMT
So since Weekes himself just gave attention to those specific questions about Solas..... then this means the answers could all be given next game? Specifically about the background story? Please? tbh I'd kill for a juicy novel about ye olde Elvhenan rebellion Yea, I'm curious whether we're going to get anything involving Elvenhan before DA4 - I have my doubts, because I have a feeling that next DA game will be spilling the beans on many elvhen/Solasy/Mythaly secrets, so they don't have much room to make a book, or comic, about the ancient rebellion. With that said, there can always be a book/comic/mini-game that may allude to a lot of these things, or have intentional parallels (like TME), or sets up/reveals something that we don't know is or will be relevant because we lack too many pieces of the puzzle to have an 'a-ha!' moment.
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Post by dreadwoof on Apr 21, 2018 21:47:10 GMT
So since Weekes himself just gave attention to those specific questions about Solas..... then this means the answers could all be given next game? Specifically about the background story? Please? tbh I'd kill for a juicy novel about ye olde Elvhenan rebellion Yea, I'm curious whether we're going to get anything involving Elvenhan before DA4 - I have my doubts, because I have a feeling that next DA game will be spilling the beans on many elvhen/Solasy/Mythaly secrets, so they don't have much room to make a book, or comic, about the ancient rebellion. With that said, there can always be a book/comic/mini-game that may allude to a lot of these things, or have intentional parallels (like ToM), or sets up something that we don't know is or will be relevant because we lack too many pieces of the puzzle to have an 'a-ha!' moment. Now that I think about it I agree more on keeping the reveals strictly through parallels and metaphors, since it'd give crucial info without, um, breaking the spell of What Was. But then again if there's a chance of the protag - whether it be Inquisitor or someone else - having to gather info to defeat or shift Solas's plans a bit (good or bad) by glimpsing at the past to gain insight of the present, I wouldn't necessarily mind it? A nifty subversion to what the Inq potentially did in Redcliffe to defeat Cory (I'm pretty sure time travelling is now out of the picture, so maybe a subtle spell of some sort, or literally looking through some forbidden prism and seeing all the smoothly organized guerrilla tactics at night/silver-tongued schemes and tense meetings between Fen'harel and the pantheon the next morning). I think that despite what Solas says, it's one thing to see the Game between Orlesians with a short expiration date and another to see it done by magical beings who have had this practice for centuries. (tho I do definitely see the parallel here running stronger in DA4 with Tevinter magocracy!) Either way this is totally just a personal kink ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I see how this could clutter the narrative, repeat things already assumed from Trespasser and seem too spelled-out. Still, I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to see how the events that lead to an Imperium forming, a world sundered into two, and a cranky ex-god, were played out.
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Post by Psychedelic on Apr 21, 2018 22:23:09 GMT
Someone needs to ask Weekes whether we're looking at the whole name thing backwards. What if Solas wasn't named after the Elvhen language word for "Pride", but the Elvhen word for "Pride" derives from his name? (Wouldn't be unheard of, English has words named after famous individuals, " Mesmerise", " Galvinise", etc) Weekesise: Kill fan favourite characters in the most dramatic and heart-wrenching way just to bathe fan tears. Although Solas isn't dead... yet . That being said, I actually approve of giving him a good death, Mordin Solus style (solus again ), when he cures the genophage. Solas lacks Mordin's insight, but he will have a whole game to change that, with a little "help" from DA4's protagonist. I would vastly prefer this version to simply killing him, though that seems to be in high demand, too, maybe just not by people frequenting this thread. I just can't see the inquisitor and Solas riding off in the fade-green sunset in the end.
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 21, 2018 22:31:32 GMT
Someone needs to ask Weekes whether we're looking at the whole name thing backwards. What if Solas wasn't named after the Elvhen language word for "Pride", but the Elvhen word for "Pride" derives from his name? (Wouldn't be unheard of, English has words named after famous individuals, " Mesmerise", " Galvinise", etc) Weekesise: Kill fan favourite characters in the most dramatic and heart-wrenching way just to bathe fan tears. Although Solas isn't dead... yet . That being said, I actually approve of giving him a good death, Mordin Solus style (solus again ), when he cures the genophage. Solas lacks Mordin's insight, but he will have a whole game to change that, with a little "help" from DA4's protagonist. I would vastly prefer this version to simply killing him, though that seems to be in high demand, too, maybe just not by people frequenting this thread. I just can't see the inquisitor and Solas riding off in the fade-green sunset in the end. I can think of many different endings that could qualify as happy/happy-ish without Inky and Solas riding off into the Fade-green sunset - same way, I could think of scenarios that would feel not satisfying regardless whether one redeems or kills the bastard. I mean, heck... do we even know people like Solas can be killed? For good? What does death means for someone who's immortal? While it diminished her, it seemed to have made Mythal more determined when she got killed, and that was done by people way more powerful and knowledgeable as to how one probably could kill a being like that. Even Solas seems to have basically created the Veil to (either predominantly or among other things) seal the other Evanuris away from the world, because 'the first of his people don't die so easily'...
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 21, 2018 22:44:55 GMT
Yea, I'm curious whether we're going to get anything involving Elvenhan before DA4 - I have my doubts, because I have a feeling that next DA game will be spilling the beans on many elvhen/Solasy/Mythaly secrets, so they don't have much room to make a book, or comic, about the ancient rebellion. With that said, there can always be a book/comic/mini-game that may allude to a lot of these things, or have intentional parallels (like ToM), or sets up something that we don't know is or will be relevant because we lack too many pieces of the puzzle to have an 'a-ha!' moment. Now that I think about it I agree more on keeping the reveals strictly through parallels and metaphors, since it'd give crucial info without, um, breaking the spell of What Was. But then again if there's a chance of the protag - whether it be Inquisitor or someone else - having to gather info to defeat or shift Solas's plans a bit (good or bad) by glimpsing at the past to gain insight of the present, I wouldn't necessarily mind it? A nifty subversion to what the Inq potentially did in Redcliffe to defeat Cory (I'm pretty sure time travelling is now out of the picture, so maybe a subtle spell of some sort, or literally looking through some forbidden prism and seeing all the smoothly organized guerrilla tactics at night/silver-tongued schemes and tense meetings between Fen'harel and the pantheon the next morning). Do we really need a spell that transports us to the future? We do have the whole dimension of dreams which - and we know it from Solas - contains troves of memories and information that the world has forgotten about. So we may as well 'transport' ourselves to the past by studying the Fade. Or Solas (or someone else) may as well share his memories with us - we know it can be done, because we've seen it happen in DA already, and I'm fairly sure Solas knows even better tricks than, say, Ameridan in order to make memories look vivid. Though, I assume that we will also do a lot of pretty standard investigative work in a similar vein it was conducted in Trespasser - studying murals and leftovers of information and thus piecing the picture that way, with maybe mere glimpses of memories excavated from the Fade to fill in the gaps. I wouldn't be surprised if we got something like that, but after all the juicy secrets get themselves revealed. So I'd look for things of that nature being published after DA4. It's not like it wouldn't make any sense, even if it would basically reiterate what we already mostly know - I assume that information about past would be scattered all over the narrative, so it being neatly compiled in one cohesive volume? I think there may be demand on the market for that.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Apr 21, 2018 23:38:38 GMT
Someone needs to ask Weekes whether we're looking at the whole name thing backwards. What if Solas wasn't named after the Elvhen language word for "Pride", but the Elvhen word for "Pride" derives from his name? (Wouldn't be unheard of, English has words named after famous individuals, " Mesmerise", " Galvinise", etc) I've been wondering that myself since my original playthrough. I think I even created a twitter and sent him that question, but didn't get an answer. So since Weekes himself just gave attention to those specific questions about Solas..... then this means the answers could all be given next game? Specifically about the background story? Please? tbh I'd kill for a juicy novel about ye olde Elvhenan rebellion I'd love to play through ancient Arlathan, seeing recreations of significant moments in the Fade. Though, only if they can manage the soaring architecture and fantastical nature of it. We see often that concept art doesn't quite translate its awesomeness in game as much as we'd like (and I mean this for any game, not just DA). And I can only imagine how grand some of the concept art for Arlathan is/will be. Novels are good, too, though. lol
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