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Post by Julilla on Oct 18, 2018 17:47:48 GMT
I've always thought that this stance was more to do with Solas' power being over and above Lavellan's by miles. He is, at the very least, an "Evanuri" and she is not. She also is, unknowingly, carrying a huge amount of his magic. This magic will kill her. He knows all of this. He chooses not to tell her at the time their romance is going on. All of this might have made the writers uncomfortable with actually creating a visualized banging scene. If they put it in, without the player's consent, some might have been very angry. Blackwall, for instance, is something most people understand. A straight up lying dick (if you choose to think of him like that), but it's in a very simple way, a very human way. Solas brings in a lot more. Religious/spiritual power and literally the power of life and death over you. That's a lot heavier. They also have to think about their players. They're much more sensitive to these issues then they were even a few years back. I can't imagine we wouldn't have got something with Solas back in Origins days. But now, I know they just think a lot more about how things are put to the player. Consent can be confusing in real life, and in a game, it's even dicier. Nobody wants a constant dialogue pop up asking "Are you really sure? Really?" "OK, but maybe he's lying? Do you still want to do it?"  |
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Post by Sifr on Oct 19, 2018 5:14:23 GMT
I've always thought that this stance was more to do with Solas' power being over and above Lavellan's by miles. He is, at the very least, an "Evanuri" and she is not. She also is, unknowingly, carrying a huge amount of his magic. This magic will kill her. He knows all of this. He chooses not to tell her at the time their romance is going on. All of this might have made the writers uncomfortable with actually creating a visualized banging scene. If they put it in, without the player's consent, some might have been very angry. Blackwall, for instance, is something most people understand. A straight up lying dick (if you choose to think of him like that), but it's in a very simple way, a very human way. Solas brings in a lot more. Religious/spiritual power and literally the power of life and death over you. That's a lot heavier. They also have to think about their players. They're much more sensitive to these issues then they were even a few years back. I can't imagine we wouldn't have got something with Solas back in Origins days. But now, I know they just think a lot more about how things are put to the player. Consent can be confusing in real life, and in a game, it's even dicier. Nobody wants a constant dialogue pop up asking "Are you really sure? Really?" "OK, but maybe he's lying? Do you still want to do it?"  Hmm... this raises some questions about the Morrigan romance;
Morrigan has hidden motivations for joining the Warden and intends to use them (or another male Warden) to facilitate her own plans. She knew the entire time that the Warden would die fighting the Archdemon, if they (or another) do not agree to perform the Dark Ritual with her, thereby giving her the power of life and death over the Warden.
She knew this, yet she still accepted the Warden's friendship or entered into a sexual relationship with them.
If the addition of a sex scene with Solas would have muddied the waters over the ethics of his relationship with the Inquisitor, due to his secret power over them, does that mean that Morrigan may have crossed some ethical lines by sleeping with (or outright seducing) the Warden?
(I still adore her character and the romance, but it's definitely food for thought)
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 19, 2018 16:10:36 GMT
I've always thought that this stance was more to do with Solas' power being over and above Lavellan's by miles. He is, at the very least, an "Evanuri" and she is not. She also is, unknowingly, carrying a huge amount of his magic. This magic will kill her. He knows all of this. He chooses not to tell her at the time their romance is going on. All of this might have made the writers uncomfortable with actually creating a visualized banging scene. If they put it in, without the player's consent, some might have been very angry. Blackwall, for instance, is something most people understand. A straight up lying dick (if you choose to think of him like that), but it's in a very simple way, a very human way. Solas brings in a lot more. Religious/spiritual power and literally the power of life and death over you. That's a lot heavier. They also have to think about their players. They're much more sensitive to these issues then they were even a few years back. I can't imagine we wouldn't have got something with Solas back in Origins days. But now, I know they just think a lot more about how things are put to the player. Consent can be confusing in real life, and in a game, it's even dicier. Nobody wants a constant dialogue pop up asking "Are you really sure? Really?" "OK, but maybe he's lying? Do you still want to do it?"  True. Even without stuff like onscreen sex you can tell how careful they're with this romance - they give us way more openings to end this relationship, including the very end of Trespasser. Granted, even if they think a bit longer about things like consent these days, I think the major reason they've been so careful about Solas is his role, place, and theme in the narrative. After all, they did let Inquisitor romance the Qunarified Bull and left him/her betrayed and humiliated. One can argue that Bull turning on Inquisitor was the outcome of their actions, but in case Inky does something Soles doesn't like - our approval falls below level acceptable for romance or Inky does things that are a dealbreaker during Solas's quest, he simply ends it, while the whole romance with Bull continues up until sudden but inevitable betrayal  (however, for me the issue of power balance doesn't seem as certain. It's true that Solas IS an ancient, powerful being with deep reserves of knowledge and powers unavailable to us, but at the time of Inquisition he depended on Inquisitor and Inquisition's success as much as anyone else, which - I'd argue - put him on a fairly equal footing with Inky at the time the story took place. It may have been Solas's magic that gave Inky their powers, but at the time of DAI they were the only ones capable of wielding it. So as much as Solas's disguise as apostate hobo ain't all what he is, he was in a pretty vulnerable state - emotionally and whatnot - at the time we only thought he's our companion and subordinate.) Hmm... this raises some questions about the Morrigan romance;
Morrigan has hidden motivations for joining the Warden and intends to use them (or another male Warden) to facilitate her own plans. She knew the entire time that the Warden would die fighting the Archdemon, if they (or another) do not agree to perform the Dark Ritual with her, thereby giving her the power of life and death over the Warden. She knew this, yet she still accepted the Warden's friendship or entered into a sexual relationship with them. If the addition of a sex scene with Solas would have muddied the waters over the ethics of his relationship with the Inquisitor, due to his secret power over them, does that mean that Morrigan may have crossed some ethical lines by sleeping with (or outright seducing) the Warden?
(I still adore her character and the romance, but it's definitely food for thought)
I think Solas is still a very unique case. Morrigan had her ulterior motives and she's clearly important in some way to the overarching story, but she isn't an ancient elven god in disguise (she's a daughter of one, but that news came as a surprise to her as much as it did for us) and future antagonist we're fighting against. I think that they really had to consider all fors and againsts of any aspect of Solas's story, even if to achieve what he have now - a deep sense of uncertainty about how his story will end. |
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Post by Julilla on Oct 19, 2018 17:01:20 GMT
If the addition of a sex scene with Solas would have muddied the waters over the ethics of his relationship with the Inquisitor, due to his secret power over them, does that mean that Morrigan may have crossed some ethical lines by sleeping with (or outright seducing) the Warden?
(I still adore her character and the romance, but it's definitely food for thought)
Morrigan absolutely crossed ethical lines. I feel like her betrayal (and Blackwall's and Iron Bull's) is rather run of the mill compared to Solas, although it's made me angry enough that I don't really like her. Maybe I'm biased, but I think there's more to come with his character that will give us even further understanding of just what the hell is going on. Until we know, it's just kind of spinning wheels. I think the fact that these things are connected to actual dev "here were my considerations" comments instead of "just didn't have the budget" makes me wonder about what's coming. From a mythology stance, women who unknowingly copulate with Gods have a really hard time. It might be that if the Evanuris are freed, a romanced Lavellan is going to wish she were dead. If I were one of those assholes and my target is Fen'Harel, I'm taking out Lavellan with extreme prejudice. They're going to want any reckoning to hurt as much as they can. |
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Oct 20, 2018 4:31:12 GMT
I've always thought that this stance was more to do with Solas' power being over and above Lavellan's by miles. He is, at the very least, an "Evanuri" and she is not. She also is, unknowingly, carrying a huge amount of his magic. This magic will kill her. He knows all of this. He chooses not to tell her at the time their romance is going on. All of this might have made the writers uncomfortable with actually creating a visualized banging scene. If they put it in, without the player's consent, some might have been very angry. Blackwall, for instance, is something most people understand. A straight up lying dick (if you choose to think of him like that), but it's in a very simple way, a very human way. Solas brings in a lot more. Religious/spiritual power and literally the power of life and death over you. That's a lot heavier. They also have to think about their players. They're much more sensitive to these issues then they were even a few years back. I can't imagine we wouldn't have got something with Solas back in Origins days. But now, I know they just think a lot more about how things are put to the player. Consent can be confusing in real life, and in a game, it's even dicier. Nobody wants a constant dialogue pop up asking "Are you really sure? Really?" "OK, but maybe he's lying? Do you still want to do it?" Hmm... this raises some questions about the Morrigan romance;
Morrigan has hidden motivations for joining the Warden and intends to use them (or another male Warden) to facilitate her own plans. She knew the entire time that the Warden would die fighting the Archdemon, if they (or another) do not agree to perform the Dark Ritual with her, thereby giving her the power of life and death over the Warden.
She knew this, yet she still accepted the Warden's friendship or entered into a sexual relationship with them.
If the addition of a sex scene with Solas would have muddied the waters over the ethics of his relationship with the Inquisitor, due to his secret power over them, does that mean that Morrigan may have crossed some ethical lines by sleeping with (or outright seducing) the Warden.
I don't see how either Morrigan getting a sex scene or Solas actually having one actually makes the fact they've betrayed or lied to the PC somehow worse. For one, its still open to heacdcanon Solas had sex with Lavellan regardless, so its a moot point. And two, he'd still have been lying about everything he lied about, to the woman he's made it clear he's in love with, regardless of if they've done the deed or not. It makes no actual difference. You're still betrayed if you felt betrayed.
And if, for some reason, an on-screen sex scene did deepen that sense of betrayal somehow, isn't that a good thing? Why would they avoid letting the players feel that?
I mean, Anders does what he does, no matter what. And if you romanced him, you get betrayed by your lover. Would not showing Anders and Hawke banging somehow have made the "betrayal by lover" plot point more.... I don't even know what. Acceptable? But then, why does a plot point even need to be acceptable in that sense? Betrayal happening is the point of the plot line. Isn't it supposed to be better if the story makes you actually angry?
I don't see how player sensitivity over supposed power dynamics could be related to why Solas doesn't have an on-screen sex scene. Especially when it can be implied and head-canoned that an off-screen one happened anyway.
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Post by Sifr on Oct 20, 2018 4:48:34 GMT
I mean, Anders does what he does, no matter what. And if you romanced him, you get betrayed by your lover. Would not showing Anders and Hawke banging somehow have made the "betrayal by lover" plot point more.... I don't even know what. Acceptable? But then, why does a plot point even need to be acceptable in that sense? Betrayal happening is the point of the plot line. Isn't it supposed to be better if the story makes you actually angry?
With Anders though, he entered into a relationship with Hawke years before he betrayed their trust by blowing up the Chantry. Whereas Morrigan and Solas entered into a relationship knowing full well from the start, that their plans would eventually mean betraying the person they were with.
That doesn't make Anders betrayal any less severe, but it wasn't something he was actively planning from the get-go when he first met Hawke, nor was it something he seems to have been plotting when they got together. His plan only seems to have sprung into action after the Mage Underground were massacred and tensions between the Mages and Templars in Kirkwall finally reached their breaking point.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 20, 2018 4:49:41 GMT
Hmm... this raises some questions about the Morrigan romance;
Morrigan has hidden motivations for joining the Warden and intends to use them (or another male Warden) to facilitate her own plans. She knew the entire time that the Warden would die fighting the Archdemon, if they (or another) do not agree to perform the Dark Ritual with her, thereby giving her the power of life and death over the Warden.
She knew this, yet she still accepted the Warden's friendship or entered into a sexual relationship with them.
If the addition of a sex scene with Solas would have muddied the waters over the ethics of his relationship with the Inquisitor, due to his secret power over them, does that mean that Morrigan may have crossed some ethical lines by sleeping with (or outright seducing) the Warden.
I don't see how either Morrigan getting a sex scene or Solas actually having one actually makes the fact they've betrayed or lied to the PC somehow worse. For one, its still open to heacdcanon Solas had sex with Lavellan regardless, so its a moot point. And two, he'd still have been lying about everything he lied about, to the woman he's made it clear he's in love with, regardless of if they've done the deed or not. It makes no actual difference. You're still betrayed if you felt betrayed.
And if, for some reason, an on-screen sex scene did deepen that sense of betrayal somehow, isn't that a good thing? Why would they avoid letting the players feel that?
I mean, Anders does what he does, no matter what. And if you romanced him, you get betrayed by your lover. Would not showing Anders and Hawke banging somehow have made the "betrayal by lover" plot point more.... I don't even know what. Acceptable? But then, why does a plot point even need to be acceptable in that sense? Betrayal happening is the point of the plot line. Isn't it supposed to be better if the story makes you actually angry?
I don't see how player sensitivity over supposed power dynamics could be related to why Solas doesn't have an on-screen sex scene. Especially when it can be implied and head-canoned that an off-screen one happened anyway.
I imagine it probably had something to do, at least in part, to avoid the character being raped by the love interest via rape by deception. I doubt most Lavellans would agree to have sex with literally the devil of their religion, so instead they left it up to the player. We see them avoid this with the other lying LIs too. Blackwall repeatedly warns you away from him but the Inquisitor chooses to still pursue him, and with The Iron Bull you know that he is loyal to the Qun but still continue it. In both cases the Inquisitor knows at least to an extent what they are getting into but pursue it anyway. Then there was them cutting the sex with Envy Demon Leliana thing. |
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Oct 20, 2018 5:00:09 GMT
If the addition of a sex scene with Solas would have muddied the waters over the ethics of his relationship with the Inquisitor, due to his secret power over them, does that mean that Morrigan may have crossed some ethical lines by sleeping with (or outright seducing) the Warden?
(I still adore her character and the romance, but it's definitely food for thought)
Morrigan absolutely crossed ethical lines. I feel like her betrayal (and Blackwall's and Iron Bull's) is rather run of the mill compared to Solas, although it's made me angry enough that I don't really like her. Maybe I'm biased, but I think there's more to come with his character that will give us even further understanding of just what the hell is going on. Until we know, it's just kind of spinning wheels. I think the fact that these things are connected to actual dev "here were my considerations" comments instead of "just didn't have the budget" makes me wonder about what's coming. From a mythology stance, women who unknowingly copulate with Gods have a really hard time. It might be that if the Evanuris are freed, a romanced Lavellan is going to wish she were dead. If I were one of those assholes and my target is Fen'Harel, I'm taking out Lavellan with extreme prejudice. They're going to want any reckoning to hurt as much as they can. I so want to play Lavellan in that storyline. Cus you're right: if you were a vengeful Evanuris who hated him and you found out he had a girl, you'd definitely go after her. Or even just finding out he has a friend, for an unromanced Inquisitor. The Evanuris would still go after them b/c it'd be one of Fen'Harel's only weak spots. As for an unfriendly Inquisitor, I guess they could still go after you simply cus you were his associate and might know things/be a threat?
I'd also love for it to turn out that they're just as wrong about you and the rest of modern Thedas as Solas was. That you aren't an easy target. And while the Evanuris may have ancient power on their side, the shemlen have their own cards to play. Cue the galaxy uniting to destroy the reapers Cue the best of modern Thedas coming together and giving the Evanuris hell.
Kinda like that special sub-genre of scifi known as "Humanity f*** yeah!". (But with more races than humans b/c its Thedas, obviously.)
Horrible eldritch powers rising to reclaim a world that was theirs once upon a time. Thedosians outgunned, but still fighting them thru sheer ingenuity and determination. (And maybe a little help from a wolf who's had a change of heart?)
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Oct 20, 2018 5:10:19 GMT
I don't see how either Morrigan getting a sex scene or Solas actually having one actually makes the fact they've betrayed or lied to the PC somehow worse. For one, its still open to heacdcanon Solas had sex with Lavellan regardless, so its a moot point. And two, he'd still have been lying about everything he lied about, to the woman he's made it clear he's in love with, regardless of if they've done the deed or not. It makes no actual difference. You're still betrayed if you felt betrayed.
And if, for some reason, an on-screen sex scene did deepen that sense of betrayal somehow, isn't that a good thing? Why would they avoid letting the players feel that?
I mean, Anders does what he does, no matter what. And if you romanced him, you get betrayed by your lover. Would not showing Anders and Hawke banging somehow have made the "betrayal by lover" plot point more.... I don't even know what. Acceptable? But then, why does a plot point even need to be acceptable in that sense? Betrayal happening is the point of the plot line. Isn't it supposed to be better if the story makes you actually angry?
I don't see how player sensitivity over supposed power dynamics could be related to why Solas doesn't have an on-screen sex scene. Especially when it can be implied and head-canoned that an off-screen one happened anyway.
I imagine it probably had something to do, at least in part, to avoid the character being raped by the love interest via rape by deception. I doubt most Lavellans would agree to have sex with literally the devil of their religion, so instead they left it up to the player. We see them avoid this with the other lying LIs too. Blackwall repeatedly warns you away from him but the Inquisitor chooses to still pursue him, and with The Iron Bull you know that he is loyal to the Qun but still continue it. In both cases the Inquisitor knows at least to an extent what they are getting into but pursue it anyway. Then there was them cutting the sex with Envy Demon Leliana thing.
Didn't they claim they cut the envy demon thing cus they thought it'd be rape of Leliana? Not cus it would be rape of the Inquisitor. I mean, being concerned about the Inquisitor, I could see the argument. But I am fairly sure the devs stated it was some kind of potential raping of real!Leliana by association that was the concern. (Which is silly for a few reasons, primary of which is b/c the inquisitor still wouldn't have been forcing him/herself on Envy in that scenario. The opposite, if anything. But w/e.)
Maybe I am remembering wrong. Do you happen to have a link to posts about it?
And to be fair about the first bit, Solas is obviously conflicted the entire relationship. He only really seemed comfortable with the relationship for the first half of the scene where he ultimately ends it. B/c conflicted elf was conflicted. so, I mean, that's basically equivalent to Blackwall warning you off, isn't it?
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Post by midnight tea on Oct 20, 2018 5:37:54 GMT
I imagine it probably had something to do, at least in part, to avoid the character being raped by the love interest via rape by deception. I doubt most Lavellans would agree to have sex with literally the devil of their religion, so instead they left it up to the player. We see them avoid this with the other lying LIs too. Blackwall repeatedly warns you away from him but the Inquisitor chooses to still pursue him, and with The Iron Bull you know that he is loyal to the Qun but still continue it. In both cases the Inquisitor knows at least to an extent what they are getting into but pursue it anyway. Then there was them cutting the sex with Envy Demon Leliana thing. Didn't they claim they cut the envy demon thing cus they thought it'd be rape of Leliana? Not cus it would be rape of the Inquisitor. I mean, being concerned about the Inquisitor, I could see the argument. But I am fairly sure the devs stated it was some kind of potential raping of real!Leliana by association that was the concern. (Which is silly for a few reasons, primary of which is b/c the inquisitor still wouldn't have been forcing him/herself on Envy in that scenario. The opposite, if anything. But w/e.)
Maybe I am remembering wrong. Do you happen to have a link to posts about it? IRC, it touches a fairly complex issue concerning methods used to tell a story, especially those of the more dubious sort. It boils basically to this: it doesn't matter that it 'wasn't a real thing', it was still made to viewer's/creator's pleasure, or for the viewer to witness and elicit a reaction. The 'it isn't a real thing' or 'it was done by truly evil folks' or 'it's supposed to be dark and grrrrritty' way too often is used as a cheap excuse to simply show/imply the thing or do something gruesome for the sake of it. A certain youtuber explains this well in this short essay. Obviously, I'm not trying to say that such is always the case or that Bioware wanted to use this cheap and dirty method - if anything, they appear to be mindful to try and avoid the bottom of the barrel stuff like that. But the issue concerning the supposed scenario, AFAIK, wasn't who had done it to whom in what is basically someone's inside of a head, but that - ultimately - what matters is that it's was supposed to be there looking like certain characters and thus eliciting reactions for not necessarily compelling enough reasons to justify it being there. |
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Post by NightSymphony on Oct 22, 2018 22:26:24 GMT
I love that Nipuni is still drawing Solas, after all this time.... Always!
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Nov 1, 2018 4:53:30 GMT
The twitter thread sent me video hopping on youtube and I found this: Not so much caring about the visual, but the arrangement of Solas' theme, per the comment featured at the beginning, is really neat. And I thought people who hadn't seen (heard) it might wanna.  (Musical arrangement by someone named Corseque on tumblr.) |
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Post by cerulione on Nov 1, 2018 21:30:44 GMT
Hullo everyone, I'm new to this thread I suppose... I just finished my Solavellan PT and oh the feel... Time to draw a fanart >_< Just by curiosity, how many different Lavellans had you all romanced with Solas? I'm tempted in repeating the "same" character (same name, same appearance & back story) but only different class (mage to Rogue) because I can only see one of my Lavellan with him. Anyone ever have this problem? I just want to come with him inside the Eluvian...
Crazy or not my Revas Lavellan would actually want to come with him despite everything.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Nov 1, 2018 23:02:34 GMT
Hullo everyone, I'm new to this thread I suppose... I just finished my Solavellan PT and oh the feel... Time to draw a fanart >_< Just by curiosity, how many different Lavellans had you all romanced with Solas? I'm tempted in repeating the "same" character (same name, same appearance & back story) but only different class (mage to Rogue) because I can only see one of my Lavellan with him. Anyone ever have this problem? I just want to come with him inside the Eluvian...
Crazy or not my Revas Lavellan would actually want to come with him despite everything.
Welcome to Solavellan Hell, as many like to call it. (I myself don't find it that hellish - just really fascinating and fun.) I've only done one full playthrough, period - that was with a Lavellan. I have started up a new game with a different Lavellan, but only because I have been slowly compiling a full Solavellan romance transcript for fanfic writers to refer to. So it's for a very practical reason, not to experience the feels again, so much. I am quite sure some people on here have done multiple playthroughs with different Lavellans to re-experience the Solavellan rollercoaster ride. And I *know* I've seen other Solavellan fans who can't bring themselves to play as a different Lavellan, too, but I'm not sure if I've crossed paths with them here, or on Tumblr, or on Twitter. All the social media eventually jumbles together, you see. Anyway, I hope you do find some other people who can give you a better answer to your questions. My Fentelban Lavellan would have gone with Solas if she could, not to help him destroy the world, but to attempt to reason with him/come up with an alternative solution together. P.S. We used to have frequent Solas/Solavellan fanart posts made by some of the regulars on this thread, so if you are comfortable sharing your fanart here, I'm sure you'd find an appreciative audience. The thread has been pretty quiet for a year now, though, and will probably remain that way until D4 news gets dropped.  |
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Nov 2, 2018 0:33:03 GMT
Tradition says top post posts a fanart. (Fanart for the Fanart Gods!)
As for replaying Solavellan, I definitely can't create more than one Lavellan for him. I don't change anything about her. But then I also don't replay much. So... yeah.
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Post by Elessara on Nov 2, 2018 2:55:41 GMT
Oh I've replayed the Lavellan/Solas romance many times. Different classes, different specs, different names, different choices ... the characters all look the same though so it's pretty much like playing the same character, especially as no one uses your character's first name. I think my favorite is Rift Mage Lavellan with second being Archer Rogue Lavellan.
I also have two full playthroughs of human female romancing Cullen (had to be human; if it was elf I'd have just romanced Solas again). And a partial playthrough of human male romancing Cassandra which will never be finished as I deleted that character. Stupid cap on saved games. ><
*waves hand* You see a Solas screenshot/fan art here.
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Post by close2myheart on Nov 2, 2018 2:56:55 GMT
@midnight : Sorry I misunderstood between 'Solas not consumating his relationship with Lavellan' and 'Devs not showing them consumate their relationship' 😅 ..
And have to admit, everytime I talked about Solas it will always be from the 'best friend' angle so I just don't delve deep into his rimance side.
Next time I'll just go threadding during zen mode and not under rush 😅
My take is the Devs are unsure about the reaction as a whole I guess. Even without showing the consumation part, people are already saying colorful things about Solas, who romance the IQ while knowing from the beginning he can't stay for long, plus his idea in reshaping the world (what ever that is)
But I think it would be better if they flesh out more on his romantic side (heck, give more than 3 cutscenes? I guess ?)
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Post by Elessara on Nov 2, 2018 3:03:19 GMT
@midnight : Sorry I misunderstood between 'Solas not consumating his relationship with Lavellan' and 'Devs not showing them consumate their relationship' 😅 .. And have to admit, everytime I talked about Solas it will always be from the 'best friend' angle so I just don't delve deep into his rimance side. Next time I'll just go threadding during zen mode and not under rush 😅 My take is the Devs are unsure about the reaction as a whole I guess. Even without showing the consumation part, people are already saying colorful things about Solas, who romance the IQ while knowing from the beginning he can't stay for long, plus his idea in reshaping the world (what ever that is) But I think it would be better if they flesh out more on his romantic side (heck, give more than 3 cutscenes? I guess ?) I think the conflict is not so much him romancing the Inquisitor knowing he can't stay for long but more romancing the Inquisitor while intending to tear down the Veil which will likely result in most people dying including said Inquisitor. |
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Nov 3, 2018 21:57:00 GMT
A question - does anyone here know of artists that make custom fanart by commission? I might want something, but I have a hard time finding anyone painting with the style I like and that also takes paypal.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Nov 3, 2018 22:24:56 GMT
A question - does anyone here know of artists that make custom fanart by commission? I might want something, but I have a hard time finding anyone painting with the style I like and that also takes paypal. Do you like Nipuni's style? She actually does take commissions on her Tumblr. Usually once a month she accepts submissions and she'll select a few that really inspire her to want to draw them. So there's no guarantee that she'll do yours but you can try. Some months she takes no commissions because she's got too many other things to do. There are lots of other people on Tumblr who take commissions - but I don't have time to seek them out for you. I just know that there are because some of the people I follow reblog artists' commission posts fairly often. |
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Nov 3, 2018 22:25:09 GMT
I know Nipuni does commissions. She's pretty popular. Edit:  |
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Nov 3, 2018 22:50:58 GMT
I really like Nipuni a lot, but the prices seem a bit too steep for me at a quick glance. So if anyone else have any suggestions it would be nice. |
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Post by Elessara on Nov 4, 2018 0:54:52 GMT
I really like Nipuni a lot, but the prices seem a bit too steep for me at a quick glance. So if anyone else have any suggestions it would be nice. I guess it depends on what you like. I can do some really great stick figures using MSPaint - and for a really reasonable price, too! |
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 4, 2018 4:47:09 GMT
I really like Nipuni a lot, but the prices seem a bit too steep for me at a quick glance. So if anyone else have any suggestions it would be nice.  ... Oh, what the heck - tell you what: PM me an idea and I’ll draw it. It doesn’t have to be your main idea for now or something that will require me to do a ton of work for weeks, but you’ll see what I can do and decide whether you’d like something more... and perhaps this whole exercise will lead to me finally start posting something on the web again, even if it’s just some DA fanart on this forum. Gotta do something to get myself out of this lurker mode anyway and it might as well be this. |
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Post by wildenight on Nov 5, 2018 2:11:24 GMT
If you enjoy the artist's style, the price is usually worth it. I dabble in art stuff and I know how much time, planning, blood, sweat and tears go into a creation - let alone a creation for someone else. If you are itching for a personal portrait from someone specific, it might be worth saving up for. Art is a passion, sadly passion can't put food on the table.  |
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