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Post by NightSymphony on Dec 18, 2018 20:56:53 GMT
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 18, 2018 21:00:14 GMT
A little late... Sounds like something Solas would say to Dorian...  |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 19, 2018 4:14:50 GMT
Apparently according to David Gaider Solas could find a follower in Fenris.
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I think it's super! And considering how susceptible a certain broody elf might be to egg-related propaganda, it's an idea completely within the realm of plausibility. 😉
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Oh no, now there’s suddenly the possibility that my devoted, Fenris-lovin’ Hawke will regret not being the one left to jump into the abyss. Or will she also be an agent of Fen’Harel? 😧
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Not working at BioWare, I have no way of knowing. But the possibilities do boggle the mind!
Which of the elves we know do you think would join Solas and which would oppose him?
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 19, 2018 5:43:34 GMT
Apparently according to David Gaider Solas could find a follower in Fenris. CutieInk @maddie_B_Artist
@gideonemery @davidgaider So many people want to see Fenris in DA4 (including myself). How does that make you feel knowing how beloved the character is? :3 #TheDreadWolfRises #Fenris #DragonAge4
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I think it's super! And considering how susceptible a certain broody elf might be to egg-related propaganda, it's an idea completely within the realm of plausibility. 😉
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Oh no, now there’s suddenly the possibility that my devoted, Fenris-lovin’ Hawke will regret not being the one left to jump into the abyss. Or will she also be an agent of Fen’Harel? 😧
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Not working at BioWare, I have no way of knowing. But the possibilities do boggle the mind!Which of the elves we know do you think would join Solas and which would oppose him? I take the bolded to be Gaider sarcasm. Cus Fenris is leery of both magic and mages with bad reputations on principle. He's also not particularly into defining himself as elven first and foremost, if what I remember of his dialogues with Merrill are anything to go by, so I doubt the "restore our people" angle would really sway him. Especially if he keeps in touch with Varric and/or Hawke and knows what Solas is about.
I mean, he could be tricked into working for Solas without knowing it. I'd pity the Egg when Fenri found out, though. I'm honestly not sure petrification would work on someone who can phase in and out of the Fade at will...
As for the question you pose, if Solas is honest when recruiting them? Velanna would join, maybe? I can't see Fenris, as I said. I also can't see Merrill doing it. She loves The People, but she's also got a new "people" in Kirkwall in her friends. If she's rivaled, then maybe? But not 100% there either cus rivaling her includes her shattering the Eluvian, thus giving up on the idea that recovering the past is worth the risk to the present. Plus, it'd be working with Fen'Harel. She's willing to think outside the box, but that's stretching her tolerance, I think.
Also can't see Zev doing it, cus again, not particularly elfy and has connections to non-elves. This is all if Solas is honest/the characters are informed properly. I can see Zev joining up if left out of the loop on certain details.
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Post by Julilla on Dec 19, 2018 19:10:00 GMT
I seriously doubt Solas will be honest with anyone following him. "Restore the glory of Arlathan! Yay! Also, most people will probably die!" Is not really going to bring them running. "Restore the glory of Arlathan! Free the slaves of Tevinter!" Merrill and Fenris are going to jump on that shit so fast. Zevran, not so much, because I don't think he cares, to be honest. Velanna is definitely in.
I really don't think anyone working for Solas is going to know his true intent. Likely, even we only know a sliver of it.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 19, 2018 19:17:22 GMT
What if they are called under somebody else's banner? We do know that there was this elf servant in Orlais who said that a woman named Mythal haunted his dreams. That was right after ToM, before Solas absorbed Flemythal's power.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 19, 2018 19:34:25 GMT
What if they are called under somebody else's banner? We do know that there was this elf servant in Orlais who said that a woman named Mythal haunted his dreams. That was right after ToM, before Solas absorbed Flemythal's power. We also know Solas has agents recruiting other agents, like the elves in the Deception comic who worked for Solas but never met him personally. |
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 19, 2018 19:39:41 GMT
What if they are called under somebody else's banner? We do know that there was this elf servant in Orlais who said that a woman named Mythal haunted his dreams. That was right after ToM, before Solas absorbed Flemythal's power. We also know Solas has agents recruiting other agents, like the elves in the Deception comic who worked for Solas but never met him personally. Um... but is Mythal Solas's agent? I think we're talking about two other things entirely. From author's comments on this forum we know that Solas has agents recruiting agents for his cause, and not by impersonating someone else. In fact, I'm not sure who exactly that was that has haunted that servant's dreams, though we do know that Mythal can also communicate things through them (like with Kieran and likely Sandal). |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 19, 2018 20:05:57 GMT
We also know Solas has agents recruiting other agents, like the elves in the Deception comic who worked for Solas but never met him personally. Um... but is Mythal Solas's agent? I think we're talking about two other things entirely. From author's comments on this forum we know that Solas has agents recruiting agents for his cause, and not by impersonating someone else. In fact, I'm not sure who exactly that was that has haunted that servant's dreams, though we do know that Mythal can also communicate things through them (like with Kieran and likely Sandal). Oops, my bad. I thought the conversation was about how Solas is getting people to support him through intermediaries so those recruits wouldn’t realize know his plans. |
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 19, 2018 21:18:05 GMT
Um... but is Mythal Solas's agent? I think we're talking about two other things entirely. From author's comments on this forum we know that Solas has agents recruiting agents for his cause, and not by impersonating someone else. In fact, I'm not sure who exactly that was that has haunted that servant's dreams, though we do know that Mythal can also communicate things through them (like with Kieran and likely Sandal). Oops, my bad. I thought the conversation was about how Solas is getting people to support him through intermediaries so those recruits wouldn’t realize know his plans. I was guessing who else may be calling elves to join them or whatever. So far we have three established directions: Solas, Qunari and the Inquisition. Is it possible there would be someone else? I mean, welp, we've just found out that there are at least two legendary god-like entities walking Thedas and we know of at least two Blighted folks who opened the Black City, without knowing what happened to the rest. I'd be surprised if that was it when it comes to major actors in the story (that Geldauran's note sure sounded ominous...) |
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Post by Kymira on Dec 23, 2018 0:38:13 GMT
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Post by NightSymphony on Dec 24, 2018 4:41:40 GMT
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Post by Auirel on Dec 24, 2018 7:27:34 GMT
Okay so I have a couple of questions stewing in my head today.
Solas states when you first meet him in Inquisition that he has explored the past through the Fade by sleeping at ancient ruins and battlefields where the Veil is thin. However in Inquisition, we never really get to see him actually do this (I don't think haven counts because that was largely formed out of both the Inquisitor's and Solas' experiences). I think its pretty clear that Solas was using this as an excuse to justify his knowledge over the thousands of years he spent asleep and walking the Fade, but I think most of the fandom just assumes that seeing the past through the Fade the way Solas describes it is still possible and/or Solas and the Inquisitor might've explored the past at certain points. Do you all think its still possible to explore the past this way and we just didn't see it in Inquisition, or was Solas straight up lying about it?
Second, I think the most recent trailer has put the theory of Mythal waking Solas at Sundermount some extra credence. If the Idol was so important to whatever is sealed away, wouldn't it make sense that Solas would go into Uthenera fairly close to it, just in case he needed to protect it or otherwise need access to it? It would give Solas a reason to be at or near Sundermount and a reason for Mythal to go there. Also there is a post of the Dragon Age subreddit about the JoH codex "The Hunt for the Fell Wolf" which did strike me as a bit suspicious when playing through the DLC for the first time. Except reading through it again, the codex does mention "An idol of Fade-touched stone," found in the wolf's lair, "A labyrinth of winding cave." There's a few more similarities as well and parallels between the Inquisitor and Ameridan, more of which can be found at the reddit post "https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/a8k5tt/spoilers_all_suspicious_codex_in_dai_joh/"
There's also the Mask of Fen'Harel from Dragon Age Redemption, which seems to be a artifact which when placed on a statue of Fen'Harel at Sundermount seems to allow one to communicate to the Dread Wolf while still awake, which might be easier if you're closer to him.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Dec 24, 2018 11:19:10 GMT
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Dec 24, 2018 16:54:40 GMT
So...now that we have a little more information, what are we thinking about his image from way back when? I always assumed it was Solas, and that hasn't changed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2018 17:01:31 GMT
Okay so I have a couple of questions stewing in my head today. Solas states when you first meet him in Inquisition that he has explored the past through the Fade by sleeping at ancient ruins and battlefields where the Veil is thin. However in Inquisition, we never really get to see him actually do this (I don't think haven counts because that was largely formed out of both the Inquisitor's and Solas' experiences). I think its pretty clear that Solas was using this as an excuse to justify his knowledge over the thousands of years he spent asleep and walking the Fade, but I think most of the fandom just assumes that seeing the past through the Fade the way Solas describes it is still possible and/or Solas and the Inquisitor might've explored the past at certain points. Do you all think its still possible to explore the past this way and we just didn't see it in Inquisition, or was Solas straight up lying about it? Second, I think the most recent trailer has put the theory of Mythal waking Solas at Sundermount some extra credence. If the Idol was so important to whatever is sealed away, wouldn't it make sense that Solas would go into Uthenera fairly close to it, just in case he needed to protect it or otherwise need access to it? It would give Solas a reason to be at or near Sundermount and a reason for Mythal to go there. Also there is a post of the Dragon Age subreddit about the JoH codex "The Hunt for the Fell Wolf" which did strike me as a bit suspicious when playing through the DLC for the first time. Except reading through it again, the codex does mention "An idol of Fade-touched stone," found in the wolf's lair, "A labyrinth of winding cave." There's a few more similarities as well and parallels between the Inquisitor and Ameridan, more of which can be found at the reddit post "https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/a8k5tt/spoilers_all_suspicious_codex_in_dai_joh/" There's also the Mask of Fen'Harel from Dragon Age Redemption, which seems to be a artifact which when placed on a statue of Fen'Harel at Sundermount seems to allow one to communicate to the Dread Wolf while still awake, which might be easier if you're closer to him. I think he does go around and do "dream tourism" at old ruins and battlefields, but it's like a hobby that he takes pleasure in. So if he's in work mode, he's not going to stroll off and go do some "fun" dreaming. I think the last romance scene in the waterfall glade in Crestwood was going to be him asking Lavellan to come dream with him so he could show her some uh, important stuff about his past. But, we know how that turned out.
Yes! I have long theorized that he was sleeping at Sundermount, but everyone tells me that it's unlikely, for Reasons. Honestly, no one knows where he slept, except Solas and maybe a few ancient elves like Felassan, and definitely Flemythal, who had an "appointment to keep" in DA2 (the timelines in Dragon Age have always been unreliable and fuzzy, so I take them with a grain of salt). He could have been sleeping at Skyhold, or behind an eluvian somewhere in Orlais or Tevinter. I feel like it has to have been some place he'd have wanted to be present to guard, much like Mythal's Sentinels. It would make sense that he woke up right after the red lyrium idol made it back into the world, and red lyrium began to spread again, if keeping the Taint from spreading was much of the reason he created the Veil.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Dec 24, 2018 17:52:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2018 17:59:07 GMT
After studying the idol closely and comparing it to the scene with Solas and Flemeth at the end of DAI, it has me asking myself, does the idol represent the future, or is history repeating once again?
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Post by Ajna on Dec 24, 2018 18:08:47 GMT
After studying the idol closely and comparing it to the scene with Solas and Flemeth at the end of DAI, it has me asking myself, does the idol represent the future, or is history repeating once again? LadyC! You came back! |
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After studying the idol closely and comparing it to the scene with Solas and Flemeth at the end of DAI, it has me asking myself, does the idol represent the future, or is history repeating once again? LadyC! You came back! Yep! |
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Post by xerrai on Dec 25, 2018 1:10:02 GMT
Okay so I have a couple of questions stewing in my head today. Solas states when you first meet him in Inquisition that he has explored the past through the Fade by sleeping at ancient ruins and battlefields where the Veil is thin. However in Inquisition, we never really get to see him actually do this (I don't think haven counts because that was largely formed out of both the Inquisitor's and Solas' experiences). I think its pretty clear that Solas was using this as an excuse to justify his knowledge over the thousands of years he spent asleep and walking the Fade, but I think most of the fandom just assumes that seeing the past through the Fade the way Solas describes it is still possible and/or Solas and the Inquisitor might've explored the past at certain points. Do you all think its still possible to explore the past this way and we just didn't see it in Inquisition, or was Solas straight up lying about it?[…] Oh I think it is very possible. Probable even. Which isn't to say that "I saw it in the fade" wasn't an occasional excuse for Solas about why he knows things, but I do think using the fade to explore the past is something that is both possible and something Solas knows how to do. First, we know from a few notable sources that spirits and the fade can see time differently. Especially in regards to the future.There is Zinovia, who predicted Valarius's downfall. There is a potential chapter of Varric's Hard in Hightown in the shattered library despite he himself claiming that he never wrote it. But we have also have instances of the fade and/or spirits referencing or remembering the past. This codex depicts a tale that the water in the fade "remembered" for some reason. The "Unfallen Shack" codex from the JoH DLC included an explanation for how some structures can be remarkably preserved because of how spirits wants to "preserve" a feeling. So I think it is safe to say that the fade has some sort of record of the past. But can dreamers access it? I believes yes. Even if we ignore Solas and everything he says, we know from veilfire and the shattered library that magic can used to help relive or replicate experiences, so its not much of a stretch to think that this can apply to past events. Combined with all of that and Solas's genuine love of the fade, I think he wasn't lying when he said he can use the fade to explore the past. |
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 25, 2018 1:42:54 GMT
Solas states when you first meet him in Inquisition that he has explored the past through the Fade by sleeping at ancient ruins and battlefields where the Veil is thin. However in Inquisition, we never really get to see him actually do this (I don't think haven counts because that was largely formed out of both the Inquisitor's and Solas' experiences). I think its pretty clear that Solas was using this as an excuse to justify his knowledge over the thousands of years he spent asleep and walking the Fade, but I think most of the fandom just assumes that seeing the past through the Fade the way Solas describes it is still possible and/or Solas and the Inquisitor might've explored the past at certain points. Do you all think its still possible to explore the past this way and we just didn't see it in Inquisition, or was Solas straight up lying about it? Haven may have been largely formed out of Inky and Solas's memory... but was Skyhold? The Inquisitor did approach Solas when both of them were dreaming. Also - if Solas was able to explore the Fade and see events happening way past Veil's creation I don't see why he shouldn't be able to do this when traveling. The memory is still there - I'm not sure if distances are that big of a barrier for Solas (banter with Cole after Wisdom's death states that it's not), but perhaps being in close proximity helps him extract even more details or penetrate deeper levels of the Fade. As for lying... Solas hardly ever (ever?) just straight up lying about things. He lies by omission, obfuscates, uses doublespeak and so on. But we hardly see him brazenly lie, if at all. And he does states that everybody who can dream has capabilities to interact with Fade in similar ways he does - perhaps not to the extent he can, given his age and experience, but it is possible. And if that's not enough... well then, there's Cole - who sometimes discusses what he sees/feels from the Fade's side or digs out memories from it and Solas sometimes has discussions with Cole about it. So there's clearly something there to sense or explore. |
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