The Blanketfort (crying and throwing up) - The Official Solas Thread [Spoilers]

I wouldn't be surprised- I'd be horrified. I honestly don't get why people would want this, the destruction of the entire world we've come to know and love is just as destroyed by being "changed" as it is "burned in raw fiery chaos".

@_@ So many ethical issues, I don't want any of that weighing on my shoulders.

^ The self portrait in the Darvaarad is a fresco on a wall. Frescoes in the real world, and also in Thedas based on the codex entry about Solas' frescoes in Skyhold, are not moveable pieces of art - they're painted directly on fresh plaster that is laid directly on the wall. Trying to remove them would destroy them. So I don't think the Qunari moved it there. It's been there for centuries. Which means that at some point in history, Solas spent enough time there to create that self-portrait. So the Darvaarad might actually be another one of his strongholds.

I don't think it would start with him dropping the Veil. For a start that would be too much like the beginning of DAI with the explosion at the Conclave but also, as Hanako says, it would render Trespasser irrelevant. What would be the point of giving us a choice whether to save Solas or not and him expressing a hope that we do "prove him wrong", if they were planning of just having him go ahead regardless.

What is more likely to happen is as someone has suggested on the "Kill or Save Solas thread" and you may be able to persuade him to stop but someone else does it regardless or he sacrifices himself to stop them rather than you having to kill him. I think the "fail" version of the game would be that the Veil is dropped but there are different ways of preventing it.




I really hope these were just the writers teasing us so everyone does speculate as we are currently doing but it is not inevitable. As phoray says, if these are genuine visions of the future that you cannot prevent, what is the point of striving to do anything? I also would particularly resent it if Drakon's vision was genuine since I feel it was all very convenient to his empire building desires to have the Maker endorse them with a vision requiring him to spread the light. Plus of course it would make a nonsense of the writers original assertion that they would never categorically prove the Maker exists. Having an accurate vision of the end of the world 800 odd years before it happens does rather suggest a deity who is directing affairs to that end.

No, it's not a fresco on the tower's wall (frescos can be moved, btw - they just have to be moved with either a whole wall or plaster it was painted on). I'd hop into the game to make screenshots, but currently, my DAI isn't set up for it... still, you can still see it here: 


The fresco is on a slab of the wall separate from the tower (the brickwork above is different, the wall with the mural is angled and uneven, nevermind that it just doesn't fit the space there) and the note next to it tells us that it's an 'excavated mural'. Plus, the tower is full of artifacts brought from somewhere else, many of it elven and related to different Evanuris (and part of one Fen'Harel's puzzle), so no wonder we've found it there.

I wouldn't want the game to start out that way either for reasons already stated, however ... change is not inherently bad and changing something is not necessarily destroying it.  Take the elves for instance - they were not destroyed when the Veil was created but they were changed.  Now, the destruction of elven identity is another matter but I would say that was not directly a result of the Veil but more a result of centuries of slavery.  And I know it could be argued that the elves wouldn't have been enslaved by Tevinter if the Veil hadn't existed but well we really don't know that; the elven gods seem to be kinda batshit crazy so who the hell knows what might have happened.

If you think about it, Thedas is broken.  Solas broke the world when he put the Veil up.  Unless it turns out that the Veil used to exist then it was removed then Solas put it back up again (which sounds unnecessarily convoluted) then Thedas as it is now is not in its natural state.  Now, I'm not a member of the "rip it down, let everything burn" party.  I've always been more of a "pull the band-aid off gently" person.  I'm in favor of trying to find a way to thin the Veil slowly and let the world and the Fade try to re-integrate themselves rather than smash everything together - assuming that's even possible.  It would be interesting to see how the world changes if it could happen though.

The writers gave us a sort of glimpse as to how that would work with the In Hushed Whispers route. As I understood it, the Breach had gradually grown over the period after the Herald disappeared so the material world and the Fade had started to merge. Whilst it probably didn't help that Corypheus was running riot with his demon army, the world did not seem in a healthy state. What was particularly noticeable was the sky. Essentially the Fade now arched over the land with no sun/moon or real sky. How can life exist in that state? This is why even if being surrounded by the Fade negates the need for sustenance, at least for those with magic, it would seem the rest of creation will suffer. So to my mind, whether you pull the bandage off quickly or slowly, it would radical alter the nature of reality. Even if people could survive such an event, it would be a totally different world. Solas is always defending the right of spirits to be seen as people. I would defend the right of other living beings to be given the same level of respect and right to exist as his people, be they ancient elves or spirits.

Lol "change the temperature until you acclimate" absolutely reminded me of how people cook lobsters and other water Animals.

More likely be like a lobster.

Something, something, hard boiled eggs...ahem.

1. While baldness in particular is... not my first choice, plus I’m the sort of person who’s attracted to intelligence and empathy, so those factor into my physical attraction to a person, Solas is the sort of guy who looks the way he feels as a character - at first glance he’s kinda meh to alright, but the more you look at him, the better he gets
(also, higher game settings generally make everyone look better, and I started playing DAI on low-med, so...)

2. If I understood correctly, the story from devs is that there was supposed to be more there, but they cut some of the dialogue to not make Solas look TOO suspicious. At least, that’s what I heard.
But - for what we have in the game - I’ve read it as him being conflicted. Neither Morrigan, nor Inky are a good choice in his book, for different reasons, hence his advice is vague.

I found some old saves and dragged my level 20 rift mage through Trespasser, ofc now I have a pre eluvian save! It was painful...many potions were downed and Bull spent most of it on his face, but it was worth it. Never done it as anythng but KE before...one word...ouch!