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Post by Walter Black on Feb 22, 2019 16:34:05 GMT
"You have my respect, vhenan. When I'm done, the People will live once more. I hope they remember you."
Mythal: Did you do it? Solas: Yes. Mythal: What did it cost? Solas: ... Everything.
*Inquisitor stabs Solas* "I told you you'd die for that." Solas: You... should have... gone for... the head.
SNAP
Josephine: Inquisitor... I do not feel so good...
****
Sorry, couldn't resist .
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Feb 22, 2019 17:08:58 GMT
I love how we're all joking, but Infinity War has come out in the time frame in which they'd still be able to write in inspiration from it...
I don't think Solas is Thanos, personally, but I could see a similar scenario playing out if you go the "I will kill you" route.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 22, 2019 17:19:44 GMT
*Inquisitor stabs Solas* "I told you you'd die for that." Solas: You... should have... gone for... the head.
SNAP
Josephine: Inquisitor... I do not feel so good...
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Sorry, couldn't resist . More like *snaps fingers* The Veil disappears
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 22, 2019 17:31:17 GMT
*Inquisitor stabs Solas* "I told you you'd die for that." Solas: You... should have... gone for... the head. Inquisitor: “You know, I was thinking the exact same thing...but then I thought ‘Nah, the arm is good’.” *points to the arm the Inquisitor just cut off of Solas, ruining his plans*
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 11:04:03 GMT
I keep running across this in other communities, so is there any proof that the Mark is still killing the Inquisitor after it has been removed? Solas says he's "saved you, for now" and I've always taken this to mean he is talking about the Inquisitor dying with everyone else when the Veil is removed, not that the Mark is still a factor, post-arm removal, like these other folks are saying. This interpretation just doesn't make any sense to me. I'm thinking that we discussed this before, but I can't find it and maybe it was on the old board. I've had the flu for a week now, so I'm up in the middle of the night with a bee in my bonnet, ofc. Don't take this too seriously.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 23, 2019 11:41:09 GMT
I keep running across this in other communities, so is there any proof that the Mark is still killing the Inquisitor after it has been removed? Solas says he's "saved you, for now" and I've always taken this to mean he is talking about the Inquisitor dying with everyone else when the Veil is removed, not that the Mark is still a factor, post-arm removal, like these other folks are saying. This interpretation just doesn't make any sense to me. I'm thinking that we discussed this before, but I can't find it and maybe it was on the old board. I've had the flu for a week now, so I'm up in the middle of the night with a bee in my bonnet, ofc. Don't take this too seriously. I do recall that I've been loudly musing about it together with others on BSN Prime, so we definitely talked about it shortly at least once, shortly after Trespasser dropped. I think some Patrick Weekes' tweets have been brought against the idea, but I'm not really sure that they were anything substantial - the one I could find is this rot13 tweet, where on question"Did he do anything to the anchor in the romance end? Seems like he didn’t" he answers "Well, you don't have an arm after that, so he did something". Which... doesn't really say much other than he did something. I've been wondering about it till now though, every time I hear him say "The mark will eventually kill you" and that he can do something about it 'for now', and it does sound to me like there's more to that than 'simple' Anchor removal. Besides, even if he did remove it, we can't be sure whether it was complete removal - what if there's some residue left behind that can still affect/poison Inquisitor in some way, or react to whatever the Anchor is now*? What if Anchor can be snatched back, like Inquisitor snatched back the Orb to the Anchor once Corypheus grasp on it slipped? *Do we think that the Anchor has been neutralized, or ran its course and thus basically shut down (Cole has a dialogue suggesting that something about the Anchor being in late stages, though it's hard to say whether it means its end or it evolving?) or if its something Solas still owns and plans to do something with (I admit that I doubt it, because nowhere it is suggested that he has brought Inquisitor to get the Anchor back, but to prevent their death).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 11:55:51 GMT
"Well, you don't have an arm after that, so he did something". See, one of the main points of Trespasser was to take the Anchor out of play, I thought. It was a McGuffin. Weekes seems to me like he's being facetious there, because people aren't getting what is supposed to be obvious. There are some other quotes confirming the arm is gone and the Mark/Anchor is removed. It seemed very cut and dry to me, and if he didn't add the "if it is not removed" to "The Mark will eventually kill you" it was because it was redundant and they were on a word budget. I guess you could read it either way, but it doesn't make sense to me that something that isn't there would still be killing them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 23, 2019 12:49:18 GMT
"Well, you don't have an arm after that, so he did something". See, one of the main points of Trespasser was to take the Anchor out of play, I thought. It was a McGuffin. Weekes seems to me like he's being facetious there, because people aren't getting what is supposed to be obvious. There are some other quotes confirming the arm is gone and the Mark/Anchor is removed. It seemed very cut and dry to me, and if he didn't add the "if it is not removed" to "The Mark will eventually kill you" it was because it was redundant and they were on a word budget. I guess you could read it either way, but it doesn't make sense to me that something that isn't there would still be killing them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Since when anything about Solas is obvious or cut and dry? Solas (and Weekes) is the master of double or even triple-meaning, hence I think they kept the thing vague by not adding 'if it's not removed' and keep us guessing (it also works well as a safeguard in case plans have changed, as it happens often in gamedev). And we are talking about the world with magic and the rules of it have been basically tossed out of the window in Trespasser - and it's not like we knew all the rules before. If one person can be in more than two places at a time (as per Flemeth) or split their soul and transfer it to other living beings for safekeeping (like Corypheus) then something affecting a person despite it being removed is very much plausible.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Feb 23, 2019 15:53:35 GMT
This is actually really obviously cut and dry, though. Solas says "for the moment" cus the Inq's gonna die with everyone else, still. Same reason he goes on about keeping people free of the Qun so they can die in comfort. Cus they're gonna die when his plans are fulfilled. Everyone's gonna die.
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Post by midnight tea on Feb 23, 2019 16:08:11 GMT
This is actually really obviously cut and dry, though. Solas says "for the moment" cus the Inq's gonna die with everyone else, still. Same reason he goes on about keeping people free of the Qun so they can die in comfort. Cus they're gonna die when his plans are fulfilled. Everyone's gonna die. Not even Solas is certain that everyone's gonna die, which is seemingly why he saved Inky and expresses a tentative hope that he is wrong about the whole plan to restore the world of the elves, even if Thedas must die. The truth is we don't really know how Inquisitor is going to feature in Solas's plans, but all that exchange doesn't seem like this is all just to let Inky lead a fruitless pursuit and die with everyone else at a later date.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 21:26:53 GMT
His first assumption is that they will die in the collapse, though, or he wouldn't be so torn up about it. Ah well, I am going to let this one rest. Have Nipuni's new piece, y'all: Looking fine in that armor. Link
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Post by Sifr on Feb 24, 2019 0:29:54 GMT
*Do we think that the Anchor has been neutralized, or ran its course and thus basically shut down (Cole has a dialogue suggesting that something about the Anchor being in late stages, though it's hard to say whether it means its end or it evolving?) or if its something Solas still owns and plans to do something with (I admit that I doubt it, because nowhere it is suggested that he has brought Inquisitor to get the Anchor back, but to prevent their death). We know that by the end of Trespasser, the Anchor is hellbent on trying to return back into the Fade, even if it means dragging the Inquisitor along with it. So my take on that scene is that Solas severed the Inquisitor's arm, allowing the Anchor to snap back into the Fade without the Inquisitor holding it back, presumably taking (or disintegrating) your forearm with it?
Some have suggested that Solas takes the Anchor for himself during the scene, which is possible, but we don't see the tell-tale sign of it flaring up on his hand. The characteristic green flare is however present on the Inquisitor's arm as Solas walks away, making me think that it was still on the Inquisitor's and drawn back into the Fade.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Feb 24, 2019 1:49:03 GMT
This is actually really obviously cut and dry, though. Solas says "for the moment" cus the Inq's gonna die with everyone else, still. Same reason he goes on about keeping people free of the Qun so they can die in comfort. Cus they're gonna die when his plans are fulfilled. Everyone's gonna die. Not even Solas is certain that everyone's gonna die, which is seemingly why he saved Inky and expresses a tentative hope that he is wrong about the whole plan to restore the world of the elves, even if Thedas must die. The truth is we don't really know how Inquisitor is going to feature in Solas's plans, but all that exchange doesn't seem like this is all just to let Inky lead a fruitless pursuit and die with everyone else at a later date. He's not talking about being wrong about what his plan will do, though. Nothing implies that he's unsure that his plan is gonna kill everyone. The "if" in that sentence you're paraphrasing isn't uncertainty about whether the world will die or not; it is a statement of his resolve. He's saying that he will go through with it, even though sucky consequences will occur.
When he tells the Inquisitor he would treasure being proven wrong, he's talking about being proven wrong about having to go through with the plan at all. Solas hopes we can find him the magical Plan B that, as of right now, he's sure doesn't exist. And if we do find a way to attain the impossible and accomplish what he wants without the destruction involved in Plan A, he would be all for it. He doesn't see how that's possible, though, or he'd be doing it himself. But we've surprised him with the impossible before, so he's got a glimmer of hope. Or at least he's allowing *us* to have one.
He's left the Inquisitor alive simply b/c he doesn't actually want to do what he's doing. He knows the method is wrong, but his guilt and sense of duty won't allow him to not try anyway. If its an unfriendly Inquisitor, then he's purposefully allowing an adversary b/c he feels like he deserves to be opposed. If its a friendly Inquisitor, then he's allowing them time to work their magic. Either way, the world gets what he considers to be a fair shot at stopping its destruction. I think the need to give the world a shot is also due to his guilt and his desire to prove to himself that he is not a monster. The Evanuris were monsters. The Evanuris would have wiped the Inquisitor from the face of the earth when it was clear that they stood in opposition, and maybe even preemptively before that. The Evanuris would have let the Anchor kill the Inquisitor. And Solas is rather desperate to not be the Evanuris. Even as he goes about gathering a cult of followers and seeks to wield god-like power and bend reality to his will.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 3, 2019 19:11:25 GMT
I got a question to those who have a Dalish Warden and a Dalish Inquisitor as their canon.
Did you roleplay that Mahariel was a childhood hero/role model for Lavellan when she was growing up?
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Post by Solas on Mar 4, 2019 8:39:08 GMT
I got a question to those who have a Dalish Warden and a Dalish Inquisitor as their canon. Did you roleplay that Mahariel was a childhood hero/role model for Lavellan when she was growing up? Kind of! My Hero is only about 5 years older than my Inquisitor, and Inky was roughly 18 when the Blight ended and Mahariel became known and lauded. That's old enough for Mahariel to be a respected Dalish warrior and hero in the manner of a skilled figure, pride of their People for Lavellan, but too old for them to be a childhood hero (starry-eyed) the way the Emerald Knights were. They're more like contemporaries.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Mar 4, 2019 19:21:21 GMT
Are you talking about the post that mentions the Charger choice, the fate of Sutherland's Crew, and if you chose Redeem or not for Solas? Or is there some other post you meant to link to, @dawnstone ? Cus those tiles have been in the Keep a while now, they're not really new.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 19:46:43 GMT
Are you talking about the post that mentions the Charger choice, the fate of Sutherland's Crew, and if you chose Redeem or not for Solas? Or is there some other post you meant to link to, @dawnstone ? Cus those tiles have been in the Keep a while now, they're not really new. Oh, okay, I saw the post on tumblr and it was new to me.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 4, 2019 19:49:31 GMT
I don't think downtime is related to anything - EA servers had a hiccup, Anthem servers were affected as well. And yea, these are not new tiles.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 5, 2019 18:58:29 GMT
I'm considering having my Dalish Inquisitor believe in the Maker by the end of the story, kinda like Ameridan does.
But... I'm not entirely sure how to make that happen.
I think it should be after the elven gods are revealed to be tyrants, but I don't know if the Inquisitor still gets Maker believing dialogue options that late in the game.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 5, 2019 21:20:16 GMT
I'm considering having my Dalish Inquisitor believe in the Maker by the end of the story, kinda like Ameridan does. But... I'm not entirely sure how to make that happen. I think it should be after the elven gods are revealed to be tyrants, but I don't know if the Inquisitor still gets Maker believing dialogue options that late in the game. I can't say I'm sure when do they cement their religiosity, as I don't usually play faithful Inquisitors. I think you may have to be vague about your faith when speaking with Cassandra (can always RP that your Inky is careful?), but you may have to declare Inquisition for faith or pick specific options when people ask you about faith after we reach Skyhold. I can't say for sure if this can be resolved during Here Lies The Abyss.
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Post by Elessara on Mar 5, 2019 22:05:56 GMT
I'm considering having my Dalish Inquisitor believe in the Maker by the end of the story, kinda like Ameridan does. But... I'm not entirely sure how to make that happen. I think it should be after the elven gods are revealed to be tyrants, but I don't know if the Inquisitor still gets Maker believing dialogue options that late in the game. I can't say I'm sure when do they cement their religiosity, as I don't usually play faithful Inquisitors. I think you may have to be vague about your faith when speaking with Cassandra (can always RP that your Inky is careful?), but you may have to declare Inquisition for faith or pick specific options when people ask you about faith after we reach Skyhold. I can't say for sure if this can be resolved during Here Lies The Abyss. I somehow managed to get one of my elven characters to believe because I remember doing a judgement on a Grey Warden (Ser Ruth) and the option to tell her that Andraste forgives her popped up - which I thought was odd. That was after Here Lies the Abyss. However, don't you only find out the the truth about the Evanuris at the end of Trespasser? Edit to add: Ameridan believed in both the Elven gods AND the Maker. He believed both could co-exist.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 6, 2019 1:04:21 GMT
I can't say I'm sure when do they cement their religiosity, as I don't usually play faithful Inquisitors. I think you may have to be vague about your faith when speaking with Cassandra (can always RP that your Inky is careful?), but you may have to declare Inquisition for faith or pick specific options when people ask you about faith after we reach Skyhold. I can't say for sure if this can be resolved during Here Lies The Abyss. I somehow managed to get one of my elven characters to believe because I remember doing a judgement on a Grey Warden (Ser Ruth) and the option to tell her that Andraste forgives her popped up - which I thought was odd. That was after Here Lies the Abyss. However, don't you only find out the the truth about the Evanuris at the end of Trespasser? Edit to add: Ameridan believed in both the Elven gods AND the Maker. He believed both could co-exist. Yeah, that's what I'm going for. Believe in both by the end of the story. But I doubt the game is gonna let me actually SHOW that change in her beliefs.
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Post by squealingpiggies on Mar 8, 2019 3:58:51 GMT
Nothing implies that he's unsure that his plan is gonna kill everyone. And he seemed pretty damn confident about his last plan too. But then it turned out Cory knew how to resurrect. Solas hopes we can find him the magical Plan B that, as of right now, he's sure doesn't exist. I think this is the crux of it. He saw his plans completely thrown off due to some unforeseeable circumstance and has to rethink all his plans. Being more of a pessimist, he has to be more sure that his plans will succeed next time and this makes them super brutes. But since he's seen the Inky totally defy the odds, he's hoping Inky can do it again and find someway to bring back the elves of old without violently ripping down the veil or whatever he has planned. Unless, of course, one played an Assquiz then he prob just hates you and doesn't want you the have the anchor. Like a, fuck you, I'm powerful enough to take it off now, no more veil powers for you! But he's such a tsundere that he mixes it up at the most critical time.
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