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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 9, 2019 16:21:20 GMT
I'm considering having my Dalish Inquisitor believe in the Maker by the end of the story, kinda like Ameridan does. But... I'm not entirely sure how to make that happen The whole crux of whether you are considered a believer or not is decided by how you respond to Giselle in the camp before everyone serenades you. Up until then you can keep your options open but at that point you have to commit or be denied certain options from then on. This makes it difficult to role play an elven Inquisitor who believes in both the Dalish pantheon and the Maker and have it reflected in your dialogue.. If you want the believer options, then you have to headcanon the part where you still believe in the elven gods, at least until after you have locked yourself in on the believer path. Thereafter there are not many opportunities to declare for the elven pantheon anyway until after the Temple of Mythal. Then it mostly comes in your conversation with Sera. What puzzled me about that is that so far as I was concerned, the Temple of Mythal simply confirmed that the ancient elves believed in the same gods as me and that they had actually existed, so that much of our lore was true but the way Sera carried on, it seemed I had to regard even the existence of the Temple of Mythal as the work of demons and nothing about it was true. To be honest, at that point to me the elven gods seemed a whole lot more real than the Maker. Solas seemed to have suggested that some of them were arses but that was hardly mind blowing. Learning that Mythal had been murdered was more of a shocker and meeting her/Flemeth even more so but once again at least she was proven to have been real. I suppose it is worth considering what you would think if you had done Jaws of Hakkon before going to the Temple of Mythal and meeting Flemeth. After all the Avvar acknowledge their gods are spirits that can be summoned into a mortal form to assist their hold. They believe both favoured mortals and spirit gods can be reborn. So then if you go to the Temple of Mythal, I would think you would be more likely to wonder if the elven gods were the same. Then meeting Flemeth would seem like they were. Even after Trespasser I still feel that the Evanuris were more than simply elves elevated to godhood by their peers. Even Solas admits as much. Something about the First of the People made them particularly hard to kill permanently, which did not seem to apply to the other ancient elves. As for Ameridan's beliefs, I find them a bit hard to reconcile both with what we know about Drakon wiping out all cults that didn't agree with his own (which is monotheistic) and with what the Dalish do about Andraste. They don't deny that Andraste was a human prophet of her god and a friend to the elves; the Canticle of Shartan, which was based on their oral tradition, makes it clear that they felt Shartan was Andraste's equal in the eyes of the Maker, so even if they acknowledged the Maker as a god, Andraste was a mortal the same as Shartan and both died in the fires of the Imperium. Yet Ameridan seemed to have bought into the idea that she was raised to demi-god status on her death. Not even all humans believed that, even in the south (see the beliefs of the Ash Warriors). So it is clear his thinking had been very influenced by Drakon's Chantry rather than the traditional view of his own people. I wonder what Ameridan would have made of the revelation from Solas that the Creators were just ordinary mortals bearing in mind he equates Andraste's elevation to godhood with that of Ghilan'nain.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 12, 2019 22:26:09 GMT
Alright, so... what the hell is that? Fen'harel hugging Ghilain'nan?
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 12, 2019 23:58:58 GMT
Alright, so... what the hell is that? Fen'harel hugging Ghilain'nan? That looks more like a bear than a wolf.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 13, 2019 0:06:08 GMT
Alright, so... what the hell is that? Fen'harel hugging Ghilain'nan? That looks more like a bear than a wolf. Perhaps, but what's going on in that painting?
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Post by Elessara on Mar 13, 2019 0:41:30 GMT
Alright, so... what the hell is that? Fen'harel hugging Ghilain'nan? That looks more like a bear than a wolf. More like what Victor Frankenstein would have created if he'd decided to put a bear together instead of a human.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Mar 13, 2019 1:16:19 GMT
That looks more like a bear than a wolf. Perhaps, but what's going on in that painting? This piece is found in Blackwall's "bedroom". Maybe Solas is calling Blackwall hairy? o.O (Or offering commentary on his romance, if one occurs. lol)
Seriously, though, was there meaning to these kind of murals and where they were found, do you think? And did Solas just... go around and paint them in his spare time?
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 13, 2019 1:40:50 GMT
Perhaps, but what's going on in that painting? This piece is found in Blackwall's "bedroom". Maybe Solas is calling Blackwall hairy? o.O (Or offering commentary on his romance, if one occurs. lol)
Seriously, though, was there meaning to these kind of murals and where they were found, do you think? And did Solas just... go around and paint them in his spare time?
I don't think it's a painting that shows up only in Blackwall's bedroom - I've seen it painted in other places, just like other 'grafitti' (also, this isn't exactly Solas's style, like on the mural).
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Post by Elessara on Mar 13, 2019 2:03:47 GMT
This piece is found in Blackwall's "bedroom". Maybe Solas is calling Blackwall hairy? o.O (Or offering commentary on his romance, if one occurs. lol)
Seriously, though, was there meaning to these kind of murals and where they were found, do you think? And did Solas just... go around and paint them in his spare time?
I don't think it's a painting that shows up only in Blackwall's bedroom - I've seen it painted in other places, just like other 'grafitti' (also, this isn't exactly Solas's style, like on the mural). I was going to say it doesn't seem like the same style as any of the paintings we know are done by Solas (most notably the rotunda) - so I don't think Solas did that one.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Mar 13, 2019 2:33:59 GMT
Perhaps, but what's going on in that painting? This piece is found in Blackwall's "bedroom". Maybe Solas is calling Blackwall hairy? o.O (Or offering commentary on his romance, if one occurs. lol)
Seriously, though, was there meaning to these kind of murals and where they were found, do you think? And did Solas just... go around and paint them in his spare time?
Some people have suggested this might be Ghilan'nain and Dirthamen, since one of the symbols associated with him is a bear. (Within the past week, I read someone's fan theory that Ghilan'nain and Dirthamen had an illicit relationship, which made Andruil mad, which led to the war... I'm not sure I agree but it was an interesting read, at least. Now, if only I could remember where I saw that...)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 12:47:06 GMT
There's one of the paintings in a little shrine at I think Caer Bronach, right beneath a statue of Dirthamen, which also has a raven on its shoulder: It's one of the places Solas specifically wants to dream at, so it is a curious arrangement.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Mar 13, 2019 17:35:45 GMT
There's one of the paintings in a little shrine at I think Caer Bronach, right beneath a statue of Dirthamen, which also has a raven on its shoulder: It's one of the places Solas specifically wants to dream at, so it is a curious arrangement. That's a living raven, right? On the one hand, its a cute easter egg. On the other hand, in-universe, that's... interesting.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 13, 2019 18:21:58 GMT
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Post by Julilla on Mar 13, 2019 20:56:58 GMT
I'll be so surprised if we don't see Dirthamen next game. It seems like he was everywhere in the background of Inquisition.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 21:40:56 GMT
That's a living raven, right? On the one hand, its a cute easter egg. On the other hand, in-universe, that's... interesting. Yes! And I love the very deliberate lighting that casts a shadow on the wall next to it. Makes me feel like Dirthamen is very important to the overall mystery of the fall of Elvhenan. (Within the past week, I read someone's fan theory that Ghilan'nain and Dirthamen had an illicit relationship, which made Andruil mad, which led to the war... I'm not sure I agree but it was an interesting read, at least. Now, if only I could remember where I saw that...) Was it this confession on the dragonageconfessions tumblr? There's also this theory by the Wyrd Sisters of Thedas.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Mar 13, 2019 22:58:05 GMT
(Within the past week, I read someone's fan theory that Ghilan'nain and Dirthamen had an illicit relationship, which made Andruil mad, which led to the war... I'm not sure I agree but it was an interesting read, at least. Now, if only I could remember where I saw that...) Was it this confession on the dragonageconfessions tumblr? There's also this theory by the Wyrd Sisters of Thedas. It was that confession, yeah. Hats off to you, sleuth. I went to read the Wyrd Sisters blog post that you linked to as well. Fun stuff. Thanks for posting it!
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Mar 13, 2019 23:46:52 GMT
So, the connection between Felassan's story of Fen'Harel and the tree, and a couple of rare staves ( Freedom's Promise from DA2 and Heart of Pride from DAI), were what inspired me to make my Fen'Harel cosplay staff the way I did. It just seems, based on what we know about Solas, and on what we know about those staves, that they are probably related, somehow. And I figured that the guy who wore a wolf jawbone in plain sight for a couple of years probably would also derive some private amusement from carrying around a staff that referenced one of the legends surrounding him. Aldenon, who was the legendary owner of Freedom's Promise, seems to have had views about freedom (especially of mages) and honour that echo Solas'. As for Heart of Pride, you can only get it from solving one of Solas' Fen'Harel statue puzzles (part of the Lateral Thinker achievement) in Trespasser. So it seems like he stored it there for a worthy successor to find someday. (Your Lavellan, if you played a mage?) ANYWAY, aside from all of that, the interesting thing about the staves is that they show not one, but TWO wolves tied to a tree. So if one of them is Solas/Fen'Harel, I do wonder who the second might be. Any ideas?
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 14, 2019 0:22:32 GMT
I'll be so surprised if we don't see Dirthamen next game. It seems like he was everywhere in the background of Inquisition. What if we already saw Dirthamen ?
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Post by Iddy on Mar 14, 2019 11:24:32 GMT
I'll be so surprised if we don't see Dirthamen next game. It seems like he was everywhere in the background of Inquisition. What if we already saw Dirthamen ?
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Post by Julilla on Mar 14, 2019 18:03:06 GMT
What if we already saw Dirthamen ? Theories? Ideas? I don't know who it might have been, in a case like that, do you?
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 14, 2019 18:27:07 GMT
What if we already saw Dirthamen ? Theories? Ideas? I don't know who it might have been, in a case like that, do you? To be frank, I'm mostly joking Mostly though because given the events in DA, and especially DAI, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that we have met or seen entities that are more than what they initially seemed to be In case of Dirthamen I'm not even sure where I should be looking... though I can't say I haven't sometimes been wondering why they're so insistent in surrounding Leliana with ravens That's a very high-tier crackpot theory though (and it may be something more related to her role in the story and thus symbolic in nature), as I'm usually not a fan of theories trying to surround our unwitting PC with TOO many ancient or god-like entities or... reincarnations? Or however they could be called. Also - I wonder it's possible that the tiny piece that survived in Kieran, in OGB world-state, may be a piece of one of Evanuris. Could that be him? Dunno, but the scene in which Kieran is sharing his power with Flemythal while they're standing under the bleeding statue of Dirthamen is kinda suggestive. At the very least it appears to be something similar in nature to Mythal and Solas. It's not even beyond realm of possibility that this is just a small fragment of a bigger whole existing somewhere else - since we know already that the soul can be fractured and stored in different places, so it's possible that due to time or corruption or whatever that small piece may be different to what the 'fuller' version is.
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Post by Julilla on Mar 15, 2019 18:35:51 GMT
That Fade statue gives me the heebies, no doubt about it. Obviously it means something, but it makes me crazy that I don't know yet. Interesting about Kieran, but if it's true, then Flemythal took it. Her long game is exceptional.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 18, 2019 15:23:54 GMT
I'm far from that point in the game, but I've been thinking about the keep/disband Inquisition choice.
Disbanding is smarter, because it prevents spying and corruption. But... the main game epilogue says that Briala's rule through Gaspard depends on her alliance with the Inquisition, so disbanding might destroy any progress she makes on behalf of the elves.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 18, 2019 16:05:36 GMT
I'm far from that point in the game, but I've been thinking about the keep/disband Inquisition choice. Disbanding is smarter, because it prevents spying and corruption. But... the main game epilogue says that Briala's rule through Gaspard depends on her alliance with the Inquisition, so disbanding might destroy any progress she makes on behalf of the elves. Both choices have pros and cons. Disbanding reduces the chance of infiltration, but keeping it gives you more influence and resources. Personally I choose to keep it as a front while the secret Inquisition operates since having more allies and connections seems the better option. After all disbanding it only reduces the chance of infiltration, not eliminate it.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 18, 2019 16:07:17 GMT
I'm far from that point in the game, but I've been thinking about the keep/disband Inquisition choice. Disbanding is smarter, because it prevents spying and corruption. But... the main game epilogue says that Briala's rule through Gaspard depends on her alliance with the Inquisition, so disbanding might destroy any progress she makes on behalf of the elves. Both choices have pros and cons. Disbanding reduces the chance of infiltration, but keeping it gives you more influence and resources. Personally I choose to keep it as a front while the secret Inquisition operates since having more allies and connections seems the better option. After all disbanding it only reduces the chance of infiltration, not eliminate it. What about Briala? Won't her efforts crumble without the Inquisition's support?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 18, 2019 17:04:01 GMT
Both choices have pros and cons. Disbanding reduces the chance of infiltration, but keeping it gives you more influence and resources. Personally I choose to keep it as a front while the secret Inquisition operates since having more allies and connections seems the better option. After all disbanding it only reduces the chance of infiltration, not eliminate it. What about Briala? Won't her efforts crumble without the Inquisition's support? My Inquisiton still exists and I think that’s the better option I said.
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