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Post by Elessara on Apr 1, 2019 11:51:39 GMT
I don't think Iddy is trolling, per say, but you are still getting a like for the Loki gif. I don't think Iddy was intentionally trolling but he does come here often and when he posts it's usually to join the current discussion or to ask a question. The post regarding the lying issue wasn't framed in a way to encourage a discussion on a topic but merely had a blanket assertion which, let's be honest, is not usually a way to encourage an actual discussion but is a good way to start an argument. And again, let's be honest, we will (in general) argue and nitpick things to death.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 2, 2019 3:12:17 GMT
It's kinda cool that Lavellan is basically wielding Fen'harel's power in the entire game, especially from a romance perspective.
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 2, 2019 3:27:47 GMT
It's kinda cool that Lavellan is basically wielding Fen'harel's power in the entire game, especially from a romance perspective. Well, there's definitely a lot of symbolic and thematic material that can be extracted from that, not just for Lavellan, though romanced Lavellan gets an additional layer or two of that
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 2, 2019 5:57:02 GMT
Anyway, I've been thinking for it for a while but keep forgetting about bringing it here - what do we think about how did birth, parenthood and descendance looked for ancient elves? On some level it must've looked like what we're familiar with - we know there were parents and children and likely some forms of succession/inheritance, even though elvhen longevity/immortality must've made these things different on some level. And how much the biological component mattered, especially that we know that there's something magical rather than biological in the way elves work and pass their, er... genes? memes??? given what happens when there's an elf-human/dwarf union. So far it seems that either elves must be familiar with a way it biologically works or the process looks at least somewhat similar, given that Mythal's mosaic portrays her with a pregnant belly - but how much is this symbolic and how much the process looks like it at all times? Are there different ways elves could become parents or name someone succesor/inheritor/child?
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Apr 2, 2019 13:15:49 GMT
Another interesting question for me is: if Solas was a spirit, and could have been any shape when he took corporeal form, how and why did he pick "male"? He refers to spirits as "it," suggesting that they don't really have specified genders. (They could probably choose to be any gender, when they needed to shape themselves into a gendered form for whatever reason.) If Mythal summoned him, did she force him into that particular shape? Or did he have free will in that matter, at least?
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 3, 2019 12:30:03 GMT
It's kinda cool that Lavellan is basically wielding Fen'harel's power in the entire game, especially from a romance perspective. Mhm, that's one side of it. Another is that after he takes it back, we know who he'll be thinking about every time he looks at it... Even if the Inquisitor doesn't appear in 4, s/he'll nonetheless be there judging and reminding and pressuring Solas to give up every step of the way. Been a while since i last checked out Aimo's stuff on Deviantart. Always thought her drawings had a unique sensitivity to them, and she used to be obsessed about Bioware games. Her early drawings for DAO from before the game even came out always get me right in the mood to start it up again. In fact, those were how I first learned about it, pointing me to a youtube demo.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 3, 2019 12:34:51 GMT
It's kinda cool that Lavellan is basically wielding Fen'harel's power in the entire game, especially from a romance perspective. Mhm, that's one side of it. Another is that after he takes it back, we know who he'll be thinking about every time he looks at it... Even if the Inquisitor doesn't appear in 4, s/he'll nonetheless be there judging and reminding and pressuring Solas to give up every step of the way. Been a while since i last checked out Aimo's stuff on Deviantart. Always thought her drawings had a unique sensitivity to them, and she used to be obsessed about Bioware games. Her early drawings for DAO from before the game even came out always get me right in the mood to start it up again. In fact, those were how I first learned about it, pointing me to a youtube demo. Wait... Solas took it back? I thought he merely removed the Anchor and then it was gone. If he's got it now, what is stopping him from tearing down the Veil right away?
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 3, 2019 12:50:48 GMT
Mhm, that's one side of it. Another is that after he takes it back, we know who he'll be thinking about every time he looks at it... Even if the Inquisitor doesn't appear in 4, s/he'll nonetheless be there judging and reminding and pressuring Solas to give up every step of the way. Been a while since i last checked out Aimo's stuff on Deviantart. Always thought her drawings had a unique sensitivity to them, and she used to be obsessed about Bioware games. Her early drawings for DAO from before the game even came out always get me right in the mood to start it up again. In fact, those were how I first learned about it, pointing me to a youtube demo. Wait... Solas took it back? I thought he merely removed the Anchor and then it was gone. If he's got it now, what is stopping him from tearing down the Veil right away? The Anchor alone isn't powerful enough to work on a large scale, the way the orb it came from was. Remember? Hence the need for extra mages or templars to close the Breach. It's just the key. His first step after Trespasser is probably going to be hunting down and acquiring extraordinary sources of magical energy. Elven artifacts, buried Old Gods, mage acolytes, etc. Unless he took care of that in the interim while waiting for the right time to get the Anchor from you. In which case yeah, he can do it whenever it suits his plans.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 3, 2019 13:03:53 GMT
Wait... Solas took it back? I thought he merely removed the Anchor and then it was gone. If he's got it now, what is stopping him from tearing down the Veil right away? The Anchor alone isn't powerful enough to work on a large scale, the way the orb it came from was. Remember? Hence the need for extra mages or templars to close the Breach. It's just the key. His first step after Trespasser is probably going to be hunting down and acquiring extraordinary sources of magical energy. Elven artifacts, buried Old Gods, mage acolytes, etc. Unless he took care of that in the interim while waiting for the right time to get the Anchor from you. In which case yeah, he can do it whenever it suits his plans. Solas is pretty powerful on his own, though.
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 3, 2019 13:18:22 GMT
The Anchor alone isn't powerful enough to work on a large scale, the way the orb it came from was. Remember? Hence the need for extra mages or templars to close the Breach. It's just the key. His first step after Trespasser is probably going to be hunting down and acquiring extraordinary sources of magical energy. Elven artifacts, buried Old Gods, mage acolytes, etc. Unless he took care of that in the interim while waiting for the right time to get the Anchor from you. In which case yeah, he can do it whenever it suits his plans. Solas is pretty powerful on his own, though. Sure he is. But nowhere near powerful enough to rip the sky to shreds all by his lonesome. Neither was Flemeth. At lest not until the Veil actually is ripped away and he potentially gets access to whatever advantages the ancient elves gained from the world being utterly infused with magic. Either the Veil's creation took a big chunk out of them, or the Elven God-mages weren't actually quite that powerful. His ability to wage a real war against them and certainty that he can kill or trap them again if he has to makes me inclined to believe the latter.
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 3, 2019 20:18:00 GMT
Probably been posted before, but I love it.
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Post by Julilla on Apr 3, 2019 20:45:55 GMT
Been a while since i last checked out Aimo's stuff on Deviantart. Always thought her drawings had a unique sensitivity to them, and she used to be obsessed about Bioware games. Her early drawings for DAO from before the game even came out always get me right in the mood to start it up again. In fact, those were how I first learned about it, pointing me to a youtube demo. I hadn't seen this one before, it's lovely. Aimo is terrific. I've still got one of the KOTOR booklets that she printed up from wayyyyyy back in the day (Wiki tells me it came out in 2003, and I remember her on the boards there). She's very talented and I'm happy to see that she still loves BW.
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 3, 2019 21:15:02 GMT
I hadn't seen this one before, it's lovely. Aimo is terrific. I've still got one of the KOTOR booklets that she printed up from wayyyyyy back in the day (Wiki tells me it came out in 2003, and I remember her on the boards there). She's very talented and I'm happy to see that she still loves BW. Absolutely. One of the interesting things about having these long-running video game series with huge fan communities is getting to know some incredibly talented people just as fascinated with particular games as you are. I can draw and write well enough, but I've never been able to manifest the resources or sheer creative energy these people have. Even though it feels contagious when you enjoy their work. They make you fall in love with the games all over again just by virtue of having put so much thought and time into expressing their appreciation for them. My chief DA fanartist influences through the years have been Aimo and Arsinoe de Blassenville, who passed away in 2016. Every new playthrough of the series is usually either immediately preceded or directly followed by a long binge of all their work, images and fanfiction respectively. Even though the latter didn't have the opportunity to incorporate Inquisition into her worlds. Which is a shame, because her ruminations about different Thedasian powers' motivations are the most brilliant and rational I've heard. Her mastery of historical fiction really lent itself well to in-universe conspiracy theories.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 4, 2019 1:17:32 GMT
Solas speaks positively of Briala in DAI, which is pretty surprising.
I mean, he killed Felassan for choosing her over the mission, so I would have expected some resentment towards her.
Not to mention that Briala took the eluvian network before he could. That should sting, too, but he's not upset. Or if he is, he isn't showing it.
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 4, 2019 1:40:08 GMT
Solas speaks positively of Briala in DAI, which is pretty surprising. I mean, he killed Felassan for choosing her over the mission, so I would have expected some resentment towards her. Not to mention that Briala took the eluvian network before he could. That should sting, too, but he's not upset. Or if he is, he isn't showing it. Why should Solas feel resentment, when he's already proven numerous times that he can greatly respect and admire someone/feel no ill will towards them, but still either act against them or kill them? Inquisitor, Felassan, Sentinels in the Temple when we don't ally with them... He also isn't known to be that petty. He can be resentful, especially if someone legit steps on his toes, but not petty or fragile enough to kill a friend just because Felassan chose to side with Briala. Solas's mission (in his assessment, at least) is bigger than anyone's life, including his own, and he seems to have learned an ability to detach himself from what he truly wants or feels in order to complete it. That's a big part of his tragedy, as well as where the threat stems from. And Felasan didn't die because he chose Briala over him, but because he's endangered that mission. He probably also understood why Felassan was compelled to side with Briala, because it's quite unlikely that Solas didn't know about her Briala and had likely handpicked her to be the one to be influenced/approached by his agent due to her position and/or effectiveness.
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Post by Noxluxe on Apr 4, 2019 7:49:44 GMT
Solas speaks positively of Briala in DAI, which is pretty surprising. I mean, he killed Felassan for choosing her over the mission, so I would have expected some resentment towards her. Not to mention that Briala took the eluvian network before he could. That should sting, too, but he's not upset. Or if he is, he isn't showing it. Why should Solas feel resentment, when he's already proven numerous times that he can greatly respect and admire someone/feel no ill will towards them, but still either act against them or kill them? Inquisitor, Felassan, Sentinels in the Temple when we don't ally with them... He also isn't known to be that petty. He can be resentful, especially if someone legit steps on his toes, but not petty or fragile enough to kill a friend just because Felassan chose to side with Briala. Solas's mission (in his assessment, at least) is bigger than anyone's life, including his own, and he seems to have learned an ability to detach himself from what he truly wants or feels in order to complete it. That's a big part of his tragedy, as well as where the threat stems from. And Felasan didn't die because he chose Briala over him, but because he's endangered that mission. He probably also understood why Felassan was compelled to side with Briala, because it's quite unlikely that Solas didn't know about her Briala and had likely handpicked her to be the one to be influenced/approached by his agent due to her position and/or effectiveness. To be fair, he does have strong reason both to feel and remain detached from current people and conflicts beyond his overall mission, given that they're both so pointless compared to what he thinks of as natural, and he intends to overturn the game table anyway, rendering the current world order as others understand it mostly moot. On some level I also think he enjoys being able to take a back seat and engage intellectually without each and every one of his actions having a world of repercussions. The way he talks about the war and his youthful rage and righteousness, aside from the danger of Coryphewhatshisface actually achieving godhood, the day-to-day of the game must be the lowest the stakes have been for him for thousands of years. I imagine it's no accident that he seems more animated and emotionally engaged in Trespasser. The vacation is over, and everything is on him again. If/when he returns in 4, it wouldn't surprise me for him to be a bit more ruthless and vindictive than we're used to, akin to his old resolve to fight to save his people, come what may.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 4, 2019 15:37:23 GMT
Solas speaks positively of Briala in DAI, which is pretty surprising. I mean, he killed Felassan for choosing her over the mission, so I would have expected some resentment towards her. Not to mention that Briala took the eluvian network before he could. That should sting, too, but he's not upset. Or if he is, he isn't showing it. Why should Solas feel resentment, when he's already proven numerous times that he can greatly respect and admire someone/feel no ill will towards them, but still either act against them or kill them? Inquisitor, Felassan, Sentinels in the Temple when we don't ally with them... He also isn't known to be that petty. He can be resentful, especially if someone legit steps on his toes, but not petty or fragile enough to kill a friend just because Felassan chose to side with Briala. Solas's mission (in his assessment, at least) is bigger than anyone's life, including his own, and he seems to have learned an ability to detach himself from what he truly wants or feels in order to complete it. That's a big part of his tragedy, as well as where the threat stems from. And Felasan didn't die because he chose Briala over him, but because he's endangered that mission. He probably also understood why Felassan was compelled to side with Briala, because it's quite unlikely that Solas didn't know about her Briala and had likely handpicked her to be the one to be influenced/approached by his agent due to her position and/or effectiveness. I wouldn't see it as petty if he did. Briala was, though not directly, involved in the thwarting of his plans. No, I didn't say choose Briala over Solas like a popularity contest. I said Felassan chose her over the mission. But you're right that I didn't consider Solas' ability to be emotionally detached when executing the many steps of his main goal.
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 4, 2019 19:50:09 GMT
Why should Solas feel resentment, when he's already proven numerous times that he can greatly respect and admire someone/feel no ill will towards them, but still either act against them or kill them? Inquisitor, Felassan, Sentinels in the Temple when we don't ally with them... He also isn't known to be that petty. He can be resentful, especially if someone legit steps on his toes, but not petty or fragile enough to kill a friend just because Felassan chose to side with Briala. Solas's mission (in his assessment, at least) is bigger than anyone's life, including his own, and he seems to have learned an ability to detach himself from what he truly wants or feels in order to complete it. That's a big part of his tragedy, as well as where the threat stems from. And Felasan didn't die because he chose Briala over him, but because he's endangered that mission. He probably also understood why Felassan was compelled to side with Briala, because it's quite unlikely that Solas didn't know about her Briala and had likely handpicked her to be the one to be influenced/approached by his agent due to her position and/or effectiveness. I wouldn't see it as petty if he did. Briala was, though not directly, involved in the thwarting of his plans. No, I didn't say choose Briala over Solas like a popularity contest. I said Felassan chose her over the mission. But you're right that I didn't consider Solas' ability to be emotionally detached when executing the many steps of his main goal. Briala didn’t know anything and didn’t act with any intention to thwart Solas, unlike Felassan. And Solas doesn’t strike me as a person who’d be resentful towards a person who accidentally thwarted him - even Corypheus, who was the biggest threat to his plans so far, wasn’t stopped just because Solas wanted personal revenge (Cory was resented, clearly, but for what he was and stood for and Solas appears angry at himself for not predicting that Cory is effectively immortal - and since the guy has a penchant for collecting things to be guilty about, I wouldn’t be surprised if, in the end, he blamed himself for losing Felassan’s loyalty). I mean, that’s a bit like saying that Solas should be resentful of befriended/romanced Inquisitor or any person that made him catch positive feelings or serious doubts about his plan. Not only it’s not going to happen - the dude went out of his way to save Inquisitor and willingly offered an opportunity to potentially thwart him. He may want to detach himself from his feelings and wishes, but question remains how much he is able to hold his feelings and wishes on the leash before everything explodes, be it literally or whatnot I personally think it’s a question that is responsible for keeping a lot of us on the edge of a seat till this day
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Apr 4, 2019 21:22:58 GMT
Why should Solas feel resentment, when he's already proven numerous times that he can greatly respect and admire someone/feel no ill will towards them, but still either act against them or kill them? Inquisitor, Felassan, Sentinels in the Temple when we don't ally with them... He also isn't known to be that petty. He can be resentful, especially if someone legit steps on his toes, but not petty or fragile enough to kill a friend just because Felassan chose to side with Briala. Solas's mission (in his assessment, at least) is bigger than anyone's life, including his own, and he seems to have learned an ability to detach himself from what he truly wants or feels in order to complete it. That's a big part of his tragedy, as well as where the threat stems from. And Felasan didn't die because he chose Briala over him, but because he's endangered that mission. He probably also understood why Felassan was compelled to side with Briala, because it's quite unlikely that Solas didn't know about her Briala and had likely handpicked her to be the one to be influenced/approached by his agent due to her position and/or effectiveness. To be fair, he does have strong reason both to feel and remain detached from current people and conflicts beyond his overall mission, given that they're both so pointless compared to what he thinks of as natural, and he intends to overturn the game table anyway, rendering the current world order as others understand it mostly moot. On some level I also think he enjoys being able to take a back seat and engage intellectually without each and every one of his actions having a world of repercussions. The way he talks about the war and his youthful rage and righteousness, aside from the danger of Coryphewhatshisface actually achieving godhood, the day-to-day of the game must be the lowest the stakes have been for him for thousands of years. I imagine it's no accident that he seems more animated and emotionally engaged in Trespasser. The vacation is over, and everything is on him again. If/when he returns in 4, it wouldn't surprise me for him to be a bit more ruthless and vindictive than we're used to, akin to his old resolve to fight to save his people, come what may. See, I felt he was actually colder and more reserved in Trespasser, not more animated and emotional. (For the same reason as you, though: the vacation is over, the armor is firmly back on, both literally and figuratively.) He seemed much more lively and emotional during the vanilla game. I admit part of that might be cus I saw his romance, but he was lively with the party banter, too. He was having a pretty good time just being "Solas" and nothing else, I think. Re-donning the mantle of Fen'Harel seemed like it made him tighten the reigns on his emotions, not let them loose.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 7, 2019 2:57:42 GMT
People often talk about how hard this romance is for Lavellan, but Solas must've been a nerve wreck through the whole thing.
I imagine him being overwhelmed by feelings of guilt over hiding the truth, anxiety from the fact that it can't last, the idea of her death and so on.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 7, 2019 12:07:07 GMT
Apparently, this is only revealed to a low approval Inquisitor.
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Post by Psychedelic on Apr 8, 2019 4:29:49 GMT
Apparently, this is only revealed to a low approval Inquisitor. Strangely enough he is a lot more talkative when he doesn't like you. There are other occasions he reveals more information to an inquisitor with a low approval rating. Good thing there are these videos on youtube, or I would have missed so much dialogue because I never managed to antagonize him for long. (Or any other companion for that matter. I'm simply too nice. )
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Post by midnight tea on Apr 8, 2019 5:13:29 GMT
Apparently, this is only revealed to a low approval Inquisitor. Strangely enough he is a lot more talkative when he doesn't like you. There are other occasions he reveals more information to an inquisitor with a low approval rating. Good thing there are these videos on youtube, or I would have missed so much dialogue because I never managed to antagonize him for long. (Or any other companion for that matter. I'm simply too nice. ) Makes sense - he doesn't think that people who he deems as not so thoughtful pick up on what he's talking about, so he seems to be almost mocking with what he reveals, while he literally states in Trespasser that he has to be careful with what he's saying around Inky he likes, because he thinks they're smart enough they'd easily put 2+2 together if he babbles too much. Perhaps this is also why he tells disliked Inkys outright that this was his old haunt - with all the clues it's not that hard to figure out that he likely had a lot to do with Skyhold, so his negative dialogue serves only as overt confirmation of that factoid. I don't dislike the fact that we're getting additional information from different playthoughs tho, in regard to all companions too^^ Makes it worth a replay and rewards diligence.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Apr 8, 2019 17:52:27 GMT
I find it amusing how dumb he thinks the low approval Inquisitor is. He also might have a point, considering some of the ways you can act to get low approval with him in the first place.
Too bad he doesn't know that the low approval Inquisitor is controlled by a semi-omniscient demi-god who potentially is a lot smarter than their avatar. Joke's on him.
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Post by Iddy on Apr 8, 2019 18:57:02 GMT
I look forward to getting more info on Solas' backstory in DA4.
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