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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Feb 5, 2023 8:55:17 GMT
We see FLemeth deliver lines that seem both meta and prophetic in all three games. Assuming Mythal actually has precognition, do you think Solas has that now after absorbing her power? It would be helpful if he did as it might actually give him more intuition about the consequences of his action. Mind you, I do wonder if he would still have gone through with his action in ancient times even if he could have foreseen the consequences in terms of the destruction of all the elves had created. After all, he wanted to free the elves from the Evanuris and prevent the latter from destroying the world, which he claims they would have done if he hadn't stopped them. I would point out though that if Flemeth has been gently nudging things the way she wished them to go throughout the previous centuries, then perhaps there is something of a self-fulfilling prophesy at work in her predictions. Predicting that Loghain might one day betray Marric could just have been a general reading of his character. Other declarations may seem prophetic in hindsight but were actually open to interpretation as being either literal or metaphorical, for example her words to Hawke about the "plunge into the Abyss". The writers may have thought it related to what was to come in DAI or may be they were referring to the events in Act 3 of DA2 and the decision over whether to side with the mages or not. May be it was just a general prediction of the way things were headed in Kirkwall with the political tensions rising as they were. After all, unless Mythal foresaw her death and accepted it as necessary, she didn't predict her own demise. Given the vengeance she wishes to exact, I don't think it was part of her own plan at the time. Yeah, that was why I prefaced it with "assuming Mythal has precognition". It could have just been a result of her planning (though how she'd know to say what she said to Hawke is odd in that case). It could also be that the precog is a Flemeth thing, not a Mythal thing, so maybe it wouldn't be passed on via Mythal's power. It could also be that her prophecy isn't precognition, but (limited?) foreknowledge from some yet-to-pass time travel hijinks by a future protagonist/character. Stranger things have occurred.
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Post by roselavellan on Feb 5, 2023 9:07:36 GMT
The thing is, when Solas ended their relationship in Crestwood, he gave no reason for it. There was nothing beyond a mysterious, "I'm sorry". So it's very likely Lavellan spent the intervening 2 years in confusion, alternating between denial/disbelief, sadness, and some kind of rationalising.
When she finally finds out the real reason 2 years later, it dawns upon her, Fen'Harel aside, that what she knew of him, his values and ideologies, were in fact, real. Even if the application of it was tragically misguided. So that realisation kicks her back into her normal resolute self, with her so-called "indomitable will".
She now has a singular focus, which is really to save him from himself, and in the process, to help save the world from his mistake. She has no time for sadness, self-pity, and has no need to "get over" him. This is someone who, let's not forget, has survived death and saved Thedas time and again. She's not going to just roll over and give up. (And this is why she needs to be involved in some way in DA4, otherwise it would just be a mind-boggling character retcon imo).
(Wow, I step away to make tea, and when I post this the discussion has already moved on to Mythal? This forum moves fast!)
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Feb 5, 2023 9:14:33 GMT
(Wow, I step away to make tea, and when I post this the discussion has already moved on to Mythal? This forum moves fast!) (Sorry, I had a shower thought and wanted to know. >_>)
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Post by roselavellan on Feb 5, 2023 9:20:28 GMT
(Wow, I step away to make tea, and when I post this the discussion has already moved on to Mythal? This forum moves fast!) (Sorry, I had a shower thought and wanted to know. >_>) Oh, no worries! I was surprised as I thought this was like the off-season for DA 
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Feb 5, 2023 9:20:50 GMT
Totally agree with the rest of that, btw. Its exactly how I read my Lavellan's character. And Inquisitors in general, when it comes to them needing to be involved in DA4 somehow. He was their lover/friend/annoying subordinate, the ultimate source behind their problems, and now Solas is their problem to solve, whichever way they're choosing to do so. They can't just let the new guy handle it all. Story-wise, its just weird.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 5, 2023 13:31:41 GMT
He was their lover/friend/annoying subordinate, the ultimate source behind their problems, and now Solas is their problem to solve, whichever way they're choosing to do so. They can't just let the new guy handle it all. Story-wise, its just weird. That is the way I've always seen it, whether talking about my female Lavellan who romanced him or my male Lavellan who just saw him as a good friend. The bit that I found most peculiar was Solas thinking that telling them his plan would allow them a few years of peace before the end. Seriously?! In the case of my two, that would mean he didn't know them at all. So, either he told them to assuage his own conscience, which was entirely selfish, or he had some ulterior motive that has yet to be revealed. The only problem with the latter theory is that he also told a hostile Inquisitor and it was fairly evident that he didn't do it for their peace of mind but purely to give the rest of the south peace for a few years and to thwart the Qun, whom he hates. Although, even there I suppose he may have saved/told them for his own ends. |
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Feb 5, 2023 15:12:49 GMT
Yeah, the idea that he told us all so that we can relax for a few years... It never made sense, really. Like, even if he seriously thinks we'll all just sit back and eat, drink and be merry (which I doubt he does), he doesn't give a timeframe. At all. Like... you can't really just relax for an indefinite amount of time like that. Society could very well collapse under its own weight before the promised end comes. Not to mention, people generally don't react well to being told the world will end if they believe it.
Now maybe Solas meant he was giving us, the people who knew him and were good people and his friends, time to get our affairs in order. But again, even if we were so inclined, we get no timeframe? Like... how long should I plan for, Solas? Do I grab a part time job or say "screw it, I won't have to pay that loan off anyway" and just take the carta for all my dwindling influence can buy? I need to know these things, you idiot.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 5, 2023 15:59:15 GMT
I won't have to pay that loan off anyway" and just take the carta for all my dwindling influence can buy? It reminds me of when there was all that stuff about the Mayan calendar that predicted the end of the world in 2012. One of my students told me very earnestly in the summer of 2011 that I should be prepared for the end. I told him that I would happily bet my entire life savings that I would still be around in January 2012 or even January 2013. Of course, it was a sucker bet anyway since, if I was wrong, I wouldn't have to pay out. |
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Post by squealingpiggies on Feb 5, 2023 17:02:49 GMT
first person she fell in love with Solas was still her first real love So basically the only reason our Lavellans are so love struck is because Solas is their first? XD Flemeth has been gently nudging things the way she wished them to go throughout the previous centuries, then perhaps there is something of a self-fulfilling prophesy at work in her predictions I think this is the big thing with Flemeth. Mythal is said to have not died so easily and being the exemplar of justice/vengeance we can anticipate that she will try to get back at those that wronged her. There are links to Mythal in so many stories from the Alamarri to the Chant, who knows how many plot threads Mythal has been working on since her death being betrayed.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 5, 2023 17:10:09 GMT
Yeah, the idea that he told us all so that we can relax for a few years... It never made sense, really. I could be wrong but I think the reason he gives to a hostile Inquisitor makes more sense. The Qun had been taking an interest in him long before he revealed himself to the Inquisitor and as a result he had been keeping a close watch on them. The Iron Bull told us they were very concerned about the proliferation of red lyrium and anxious to avoid it getting into Tevinter. After the defeat of Corypheus, it was clear the Venatori were still active and using red lyrium. The Qun were also looking at ways of strengthening the Veil, thus reducing the strength of mages, which had always been the main line of defense against them. As the mage numbers in the south had been considerably reduced in the war with the Templars, they thought it would be easier to subdue the south first, provided they could make their initial move a surprise coup and the Antaam was primed and ready to go once the Viddasala's plot came to fruition. Solas wanted to avoid this, particularly I think because he would rather they directed their attack against Tevinter, likely as a smokescreen for his own activities but also possibly because he didn't like what the Venatori were doing with red lyrium either. So, he alerted the Inquisition to the danger from the Qun and then said wanting to give the south some peace was his reason for doing so. That way they wouldn't guess his real reason, which was redirecting the Qun against Tevinter. I am not clear exactly why he told the Inquisitor he intended restoring the world of the elves but I definitely think he wanted them to know, as he even tells a hostile Inquisitor this is his intent. He just doesn't try to justify his actions like he does to a friend or lover. I suspect that it has something to do with his plans for the Evanuris. Other people have pointed out that in trying to find a way to stop him, we may also discover how to stop them. Whatever the reason, whilst he claims to Charter he told us in a moment of weakness, I think that is just to throw us off so we don't suspect he is still just using us for his own ends.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 5, 2023 23:29:57 GMT
I don't understand the idea that Lavellan is completely in shambles after two years since Solas left her. I mean around the time of Trespasser. With mine, she wasn't a complete shambles immediately before Trespasser but was in a pretty bad state straight after it. Back when Solas originally broke up with her she was mostly confused. Before the defeat of Corypheus she thought that perhaps he felt their relationship was a distraction to the job at hand. He had seemed to have promised to tell her more once they had; she didn't imagine that she would have to wait for two years though. She was hurt that he went off straight after the battle and it did take the shine off the subsequent celebrations, particularly when Leliana revealed that the village Solas claimed to have come from had been unoccupied for years, which was the first intimation he could have been less than honest with her. I thought the balcony scene was very sad with her standing there alone and that is pretty much how it was for her the next two years. It didn't help that her BFF Dorian disappeared off back to Tevinter too. Still, she did have some other members of the team for company. It must have been noticeable the effect it had had on her though because even Vivienne asked her how she was coping in Trespasser, so those close to her knew she hadn't "moved on". As others have said, if Solas was her first love, which he was, it is going to have a profound impact. Also, I'm sure I read somewhere that the Dalish mate for life, or may be I just assumed it based off the story about our Warden's parents. Their mother pinned away after the death of her husband even though she had a child to care for who needed her. So, I don't think it was unreasonable that Lavellan was still waiting for Solas to come back to her and convinced that eventually he would. Standing on the outside it is far easier to question her devotion. From that PoV, I always questioned Solas' timing in breaking up with her. Yes, it could help her focus on Corypheus but it could just as easily unsettled her equilibrium so she was less effective, particularly because he implied that there was more too it when he promised to tell her more. Of course, we know now that he was planning on recovering his orb. Had it not shattered, presumably he would have immediately embarked on his original plan. Thus, the break up was purely for the sake of his state of mind. He needed to distance himself from her so he could maintain his resolve to carry through with it. PW explained this. Solas would have abandoned his plan if he had told her the whole story back then and seriously considered doing so, but ultimately he felt he could not be true to himself if he didn't carry through with it, so broke up with her instead. By the time he caught up with her at the end of Trespasser, his ritual for Plan B was already underway, so he felt more able to reveal the truth without it compromising his resolve. It is why I find it hard to see how he can be "redeemed" at this point and Lavellan is deluded to think she can "change his heart" and deflect him from his course. Deep down I think my Lavellan knows this, which is why it hit her so hard. Seeing Solas brought back all her old feelings for him but in the end he rejected her for his plan a second time and this time she knows the consequences of his decision, which are no longer hers to suffer alone. Now the two wolves are warring within her psyche: the gentle wolf that still loves him and wants to save him; the savage wolf that would gladly tear him to pieces in defense of her people. It remains to be seen which wolf wins. I remember that in DA2, there was some dialogue where an elven woman of Sabrae clan flirts with a guy with suggestive invitations for "marksmanship lessons". That might suggest that casual sex does occur, though they could be a serious couple just the same. In any case, such things are naturally rare in a small group of 30 people. While we're at it, I'd like to ask you something else: If you choose the angry dialogue option when speaking to Solas in Trespasser, he makes excuses and says "What would you have me do? Tell you that I am the great adversary of your mythology?" But if you choose the sad option, he only apologizes. Why is that? |
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Post by squealingpiggies on Feb 6, 2023 0:48:50 GMT
If you choose the angry dialogue option when speaking to Solas in Trespasser I frikkin love that exchange! L: ma harel lasa! [you lied to me!] S: only by omision L: ma lasa banal'ghilana [you lead me down the wrong path (misdirected me)] S: what would you have had me say? that i was the great adversary in your people's mythology? L: i would have had you trust me! L:*inches closer to solas* S:*breathes heavily* he only apologizes. Why is that? I think this is about how you come off emotionally; to some extent he is reacting to your emotions. If you are angry, he gets defensive; if you are hurt, he tries to console you. I just love the angry response because you come flying at each other yelling at each other in memory of the ancient elves draw knives over what picking a color, then almost make out passionately, while Solas looks like the regret of leaving you is killing him and then drags his feet as he walks away, trying not to look back while you cry out in more ancient elvhen that your souls are bound together forever. To me is like you bring some of the young, hotblooded Solas, once forgotten, out and ties in with his comment on your spirit being so Original Elfy.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Feb 6, 2023 2:25:02 GMT
The angry option is very fun, yes. lol
Also, its the one where you get to tell him he should have trusted you, implying that you would have worked with him. Or that at least he should have respected you enough, as an equal and someone he cared about, to give you the option. His biggest problem is that he doesn't trust others. He hasn't in a long time, and he can say as much when he returns from the Exalted Plains if you choose the romance dialogue. I feel like, if we're to have even a shot of getting through to him in the future, he needs the point that he shouldn't be seeking a solution alone driven home at every opportunity.
Also, being annoyed at him just feels honest, to me. Not that the other reactions aren't too.
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Post by roselavellan on Feb 6, 2023 6:18:04 GMT
Whatever the reason, whilst he claims to Charter he told us in a moment of weakness, I think that is just to throw us off so we don't suspect he is still just using us for his own ends. Is this from Tevinter Nights? I admit, I'd been putting off reading it till closer to DA4. I hope it doesn't change our opinions of him too harshly. If you choose the angry dialogue option when speaking to Solas in Trespasser I frikkin love that exchange! L: ma harel lasa! [you lied to me!] S: only by omision L: ma lasa banal'ghilana [you lead me down the wrong path (misdirected me)] S: what would you have had me say? that i was the great adversary in your people's mythology? L: i would have had you trust me! L:*inches closer to solas* S:*breathes heavily* he only apologizes. Why is that? I think this is about how you come off emotionally; to some extent he is reacting to your emotions. If you are angry, he gets defensive; if you are hurt, he tries to console you. I just love the angry response because you come flying at each other yelling at each other in memory of the ancient elves draw knives over what picking a color, then almost make out passionately, while Solas looks like the regret of leaving you is killing him and then drags his feet as he walks away, trying not to look back while you cry out in more ancient elvhen that your souls are bound together forever. To me is like you bring some of the young, hotblooded Solas, once forgotten, out and ties in with his comment on your spirit being so Original Elfy. This is brilliant, squealingpiggies! I've never used the angry option, as my Lavellan is usually calm, but it does make sense, after fighting hundreds of Qunari and sprinting through Elven ruins to find him, that she would be uninclined to humour him at that moment. I'm going to have to try that in my next playthrough.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 6, 2023 8:55:28 GMT
Is this from Tevinter Nights? I admit, I'd been putting off reading it till closer to DA4. I hope it doesn't change our opinions of him too harshly. Yes, I hope that isn't too big a spoiler for you but PW said that story did give us clues for the next game, so if you are putting off reading it, by the time you do we may have more clues from the current comic series that make the TN stuff somewhat redundant. The main thing I took from the story is that he is still keeping a close watch on what the Inquisition are up to and the people they associate with. Whether that is because he considers them threat or is guiding them down a path that aids him, we shall have to wait and see. There is a very interesting exchange concerning another group that were at the meeting when he specifically warns Charter against them. If the Veil Jumpers from the comic turn out to be associated with that group, this will become even more relevant going forward.
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Post by roselavellan on Feb 6, 2023 9:15:03 GMT
Is this from Tevinter Nights? I admit, I'd been putting off reading it till closer to DA4. I hope it doesn't change our opinions of him too harshly. Yes, I hope that isn't too big a spoiler for you but PW said that story did give us clues for the next game, so if you are putting off reading it, by the time you do we may have more clues from the current comic series that make the TN stuff somewhat redundant. The main thing I took from the story is that he is still keeping a close watch on what the Inquisition are up to and the people they associate with. Whether that is because he considers them threat or is guiding them down a path that aids him, we shall have to wait and see. There is a very interesting exchange concerning another group that were at the meeting when he specifically warns Charter against them. If the Veil Jumpers from the comic turn out to be associated with that group, this will become even more relevant going forward. Thanks for clarifying (and without spoilering, though I'm used to that by now, as a late adopter). I do get the feeling I need to get started on this sooner rather than later as the hints and clues seem to be coming in more quickly now.
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Post by squealingpiggies on Feb 6, 2023 17:03:33 GMT
after fighting hundreds of Qunari and sprinting through Elven ruins to find him, that she would be uninclined to humour him at that moment Huh...I actually never thought about it in context of fighting through an army to get to him. By Trespassers, my Lavellan was acting more like a demon of desire whose target was Solas. But your comment does have me thinking about how much adrenaline is coursing through the Inquisitor's veins when she finally get to him. It could be that the yelling starts just because her blood already boiling. In the scene, Solas even begins by trying to console but is rebuffed by more venom, to which he then tries to defend himself. Yeah, she definitely won't 'humor' him since my Lavellan doesn't really care what Solas wants as much as what she wants (him). Yes, I hope that isn't too big a spoiler for you Well, I would like to say that I have no intention of actually reading any Dragon Age books or comics. I have enough books on my plate (just finished the 8th Expanse book a couple days ago and started the last Odd Thomas book) and am happy for any spoilers from other media than the games. I mean, this is where I get all my DA theorycrafting from so any bits of knowledge I'm unaware of is welcome. Just wanted you to know that there are those of us out there who like, and appreciate, some kinds of spoilers.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 14, 2023 1:18:40 GMT
I've asked this before, but I have a poor memory and I need to ask again...
What is Briala's likely future without the Inquisition, in the scenario where she rules through Gaspard?
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Feb 14, 2023 4:50:29 GMT
I've asked this before, but I have a poor memory and I need to ask again... What is Briala's likely future without the Inquisition, in the scenario where she rules through Gaspard? Assassination by disgruntled Orlesians, I imagine. Possibly by Gaspard's own people. No one would hold it against him because she is "just an elf."
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 14, 2023 7:50:26 GMT
Seeing as the whole "power behind the throne" thing only worked because she had the backing of the Inquisition, her prospects aren't good. If you talk to her in the Arbor Wilds, even then she says something along the lines that it is a lot safer out there fighting Corypheus than it is back at Court. The one thing she may have going for her after Trespasser is if Leliana is Divine. Apparently several unsuccessful attempts were made on her life, so presumably she could offer Briala a bit of advice on how to stay alive. Presumably she would also back the status quo with Gaspard.
Otherwise, I imagine Briala's best bet would be to come to some sort of arrangement with Gaspard, whereby she goes into retirement in the Dales, being content with just limited autonomy over the lands that she was granted, but staying out of politics at a national level. If she guarantees her loyalty to his regime, he might even consider this beneficial as she can keep this far flung part of the empire towing the line as it does seem that the local population were becoming increasingly dissatisfied with the local nobility and governance of Val Royeaux. Also, if he is aware of the danger that Solas represents and the defection of elves across the south to him, keeping Briala on side would help ensure the nobility didn't lose a large part of their workforce.
The other possibility, of course, is that she could join Solas if the Game left her no other options. Felassan taught her to appreciate the dark wisdom of Fen'Harel and she would likely be unaware that the Dread Wolf was responsible for his death. Solas says he took back control of the eluvian network from Briala but he never says exactly how. May be he just went to her and asked. He can be very persuasive when he wants to be. If he said he wanted to save the elves without mentioning the whole destruction bit, why wouldn't she support him? Felassan could see parallels in her life with that of Fen'Harel, so I think they would understand one another and both have an appreciation of how to play the Game.
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Post by Iddy on Feb 20, 2023 1:14:18 GMT
Do you guys think Solas was trying to manipulate the Inquisitor into disbanding, with that whole speech about spies and corruption?
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Post by xerrai on Feb 20, 2023 1:41:00 GMT
Do you guys think Solas was trying to manipulate the Inquisitor into disbanding, with that whole speech about spies and corruption? Nah. I think he just genuinely believes that any longstanding organization will be eventually become prone to corruption. Trespasser isn't the first time he talks about the Inquisition's potential (ab)use of power, he talks about it in the base game too by directly questioning the Inquisitor. Although at the time he asks it specifically in regards to the Inquisitor themselves. And most answers you can give along the lines of "I will share my power with friends" or "We should only focus on the present" are typically met with some sort of counter. But rather notably, he is especially distrustful of 'groups' in general: "You think to share power to avoid the temptation to misuse it. A noble sentiment, but ultimately a mistake. [...] Because while one selfless man/woman may walk away from the lure of power's corruption, no group has ever done so." And he actually leans toward keeping power centralized into a single individual (the Inquisitor) in a few of his conversation, although there is a safe presumption that the said person would need to fit his criteria of being good and just for the system to actually work long term. So while I'm sure there is some angle to be gained if the Inquisition disbands at his prompting, I also believe he was being genuine in voicing his concerns over what may happen to the Inquisition now that they have grown so large and with the powers that be (Orlais and the Chantry) angling to take control over it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 20, 2023 8:16:07 GMT
Do you guys think Solas was trying to manipulate the Inquisitor into disbanding, with that whole speech about spies and corruption? Nah. I think he just genuinely believes that any longstanding organization will be eventually become prone to corruption. Couldn't it be argued, therefore, that he was pushing them to disband so the south could enjoy the few years peace he had allowed them? On the other hand, was he getting them to disband because it would help him further his plans? It is hard to say. We are told a smaller Inquisition would be less likely to be infiltrated by his agents, yet he was still able to discover the location of a supposed "secret" meeting to discuss knowledge about him and attend it personally in disguise and neutralised the only attendee that could have provided useful information. So, assuming PW felt this could have occurred no matter which option was chosen, it really seems to have made no difference to his plans. We should also not forget what Solas says to a hostile Inquisitor, where he cuts to the chase, tells them his plan (without any of the sob story to go with it), that he stopped the Qun's plan because they "offend him" and the south deserves better than to be under their control, and then says that letting the Inquisitor die will just result in more chaos and unnecessary suffering for the ordinary folk of the south, which would seem to confirm my first assertion, that if he is manipulating a friendly Inquisitor, it is to aid his idea of "peace" for the south before he destroys them. At the end of the day, the Inquisition left at the end of Trespasser is a considerably less powerful organisation than in was during the course of DAI and that was always where it was headed even without the Qunari plot and our meeting with Solas. The two most powerful nations in the south wanted the removal of a powerful independent organisation that could threaten their status in the future, whilst it had already undermined their standing with the people in our dealings with those in authority. Orlais wanted control over it via the Divine, Ferelden felt safer with it gone altogether, but they were united in wanting to reduce the degree of power it had over them. I always felt it was a pity we weren't allowed a third option of putting it to a vote by the people but I guess we would have been assassinated before it would have got that far.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 1, 2023 23:53:17 GMT
Seeing as the whole "power behind the throne" thing only worked because she had the backing of the Inquisition, her prospects aren't good. If you talk to her in the Arbor Wilds, even then she says something along the lines that it is a lot safer out there fighting Corypheus than it is back at Court. The one thing she may have going for her after Trespasser is if Leliana is Divine. Apparently several unsuccessful attempts were made on her life, so presumably she could offer Briala a bit of advice on how to stay alive. Presumably she would also back the status quo with Gaspard. Otherwise, I imagine Briala's best bet would be to come to some sort of arrangement with Gaspard, whereby she goes into retirement in the Dales, being content with just limited autonomy over the lands that she was granted, but staying out of politics at a national level. If she guarantees her loyalty to his regime, he might even consider this beneficial as she can keep this far flung part of the empire towing the line as it does seem that the local population were becoming increasingly dissatisfied with the local nobility and governance of Val Royeaux. Also, if he is aware of the danger that Solas represents and the defection of elves across the south to him, keeping Briala on side would help ensure the nobility didn't lose a large part of their workforce. The other possibility, of course, is that she could join Solas if the Game left her no other options. Felassan taught her to appreciate the dark wisdom of Fen'Harel and she would likely be unaware that the Dread Wolf was responsible for his death. Solas says he took back control of the eluvian network from Briala but he never says exactly how. May be he just went to her and asked. He can be very persuasive when he wants to be. If he said he wanted to save the elves without mentioning the whole destruction bit, why wouldn't she support him? Felassan could see parallels in her life with that of Fen'Harel, so I think they would understand one another and both have an appreciation of how to play the Game. In that case, do you see the progress for elven rights in Orlais being completely undone? |
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Mar 2, 2023 1:02:01 GMT
I know you're not asking me, but yes. If you'll remember, the elven Wardens also made apparent progress for elven rights in DAO, only for those to be completely undone, too.
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