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Post by midnight tea on Jun 15, 2024 0:13:26 GMT
From the Q&A today: Question: “Will the Inquisitor be appearing in the flesh, or are we just choosing their major DAI decisions?”
Corinne: “Yes. They will. The Inky does appear. We know how attached you all are to the Inquisitor and seen the love for your OC. Yes, the Inquisitor shows up. Now, we already confirmed that in a few places so let me just say you can also customize them, include some of our new customization options. Yeah, they’re going to show up and they’re going to be your Inquisitor.”
John Epler: “And I think beyond that, this story of Solas and this story of the Inquisitor are obviously are tied together as much as any story, so it would’ve been strange for us not to bring them in for this one. They are going to be a part of this story, so…”So all you Solas lovers will get some interactions with them. I'ts a good thing I saved a ton of pictures of my Inky from nearly every angle. I was prepared for this day to come. The funny thing with my Solasmancing Lavellan is that I need to at least somewhat re-design her - after 10 years I ended up with several characters (for own stories or PCs in other games) that look a little too similar for my liking, because I overuse the white hair+darker skin combo. But since we don't yet know what options we'll get in CC, I'm not in a rush - I guess I only hope we'll get some nice very wavy hair options and perhaps nice enough face-sculpting options, since even with DAI being quite robust in that area, it never 100% got my Lavellan the way I envisioned her (though I doubt we'd be able to individually place moles or tattoos or scars, etc). Plus, gotta remember that DAV will not be the same style DAI was.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 15, 2024 3:38:47 GMT
Something that's been on my mind lately that I don't recall if it's ever been addressed/spoken about in-game, but outside of the murals, it seems like Solas is only ever depicted with the wolf statues. All the other Evanuris have actual elven form statues, it would seem. Curious as to him being the outlier in that regard. Perhaps it has something to do with "an insult turned into a badge of pride" - the propaganda kept portraying him in animalistic forms in order to imply he's savage, dangerous and 'lesser', but he's embraced it as something that differentiated him from portrayals of other gods (which are either figures or abstract symbols) Given that his statues typically stand in an honor guard spot in relation to other gods' statues, I doubt that he's portrayed as a wolf as an insult. If Dread Wolf was an insult from the Evanuris to him, then they must not have liked him. But why would you make statues of him at that point? If it was only in Mythal's temple/holdings, that might be one thing; they were friends. But he's a wolf in Dirthamen's temple, too, and we know that's from the time of Arlathan (as opposed to possibly being from the time of the Dales). Either this implies an alliance btwn them when Solas was reviled as the Dread Wolf, or the wolf statue came before whatever prompted the title. Re hair and solas, they might have been referencing his old concept art, as shown in the art book of the DAI.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 15, 2024 3:41:49 GMT
From the Q&A today: Question: “Will the Inquisitor be appearing in the flesh, or are we just choosing their major DAI decisions?”
Corinne: “Yes. They will. The Inky does appear. We know how attached you all are to the Inquisitor and seen the love for your OC. Yes, the Inquisitor shows up. Now, we already confirmed that in a few places so let me just say you can also customize them, include some of our new customization options. Yeah, they’re going to show up and they’re going to be your Inquisitor.”
John Epler: “And I think beyond that, this story of Solas and this story of the Inquisitor are obviously are tied together as much as any story, so it would’ve been strange for us not to bring them in for this one. They are going to be a part of this story, so…”So all you Solas lovers will get some interactions with them.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 15, 2024 3:43:47 GMT
From the Q&A today: Question: “Will the Inquisitor be appearing in the flesh, or are we just choosing their major DAI decisions?”
Corinne: “Yes. They will. The Inky does appear. We know how attached you all are to the Inquisitor and seen the love for your OC. Yes, the Inquisitor shows up. Now, we already confirmed that in a few places so let me just say you can also customize them, include some of our new customization options. Yeah, they’re going to show up and they’re going to be your Inquisitor.”
John Epler: “And I think beyond that, this story of Solas and this story of the Inquisitor are obviously are tied together as much as any story, so it would’ve been strange for us not to bring them in for this one. They are going to be a part of this story, so…”So all you Solas lovers will get some interactions with them. I'ts a good thing I saved a ton of pictures of my Inky from nearly every angle. I was prepared for this day to come. Man, I am spending a LOT of time in CCs this year. lol *looks at Dawntrail*
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 15, 2024 3:47:57 GMT
Perhaps it has something to do with "an insult turned into a badge of pride" - the propaganda kept portraying him in animalistic forms in order to imply he's savage, dangerous and 'lesser', but he's embraced it as something that differentiated him from portrayals of other gods (which are either figures or abstract symbols) Given that his statues typically stand in an honor guard spot in relation to other gods' statues, I doubt that he's portrayed as a wolf as an insult. If Dread Wolf was an insult from the Evanuris to him, then they must not have liked him. But why would you make statues of him at that point? Likely because of his relationship with Mythal. And Dread Wolf was noted to be in position lower than the god by the one who made those motes - as someone who guards. Or after. Dread Wolf's statues could've been proliferated by his followers (they kinda still are by the Dalish) in places they'd like to be marked as his territory, or his protection, or as means to call on him to come and do something about a specific place.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 15, 2024 4:07:07 GMT
I hope they aren't finishing Solas' story in the freaking first act, like he is an ordinary villain.
Also, I wonder if the gameplay trailer has repeated enough times that Solas' ritual will kill people until fans may finally stop saying it is a misunderstanding.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 15, 2024 4:08:31 GMT
Given that his statues typically stand in an honor guard spot in relation to other gods' statues, I doubt that he's portrayed as a wolf as an insult. If Dread Wolf was an insult from the Evanuris to him, then they must not have liked him. But why would you make statues of him at that point? Likely because of his relationship with Mythal. And Dread Wolf was noted to be in position lower than the god by the one who made those motes - as someone who guards. Or after. Dread Wolf's statues could've been proliferated by his followers (they kinda still are by the Dalish) in places they'd like to be marked as his territory, or his protection, or as means to call on him to come and do something about a specific place. That doesn't work with Dirthamen's Temple, though. It was sealed when the veil went up. They can't have added the statues after.
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Post by fluffysmom on Jun 15, 2024 6:47:43 GMT
Is it fair to say that (from the vague scenes we saw) Rook is, on a basic level, Solas 2.0? They take it upon themselves to save people from dying, without thinking of the consequences, and end up unleashing big bad’s that are going to cause a lot of deaths. Death’s that will technically be on Rook’s shoulders now while they do whatever they have to in order to fix their mistake. 🤔
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 15, 2024 6:58:26 GMT
Likely because of his relationship with Mythal. And Dread Wolf was noted to be in position lower than the god by the one who made those motes - as someone who guards. Or after. Dread Wolf's statues could've been proliferated by his followers (they kinda still are by the Dalish) in places they'd like to be marked as his territory, or his protection, or as means to call on him to come and do something about a specific place. That doesn't work with Dirthamen's Temple, though. It was sealed when the veil went up. They can't have added the statues after. It wasn't sealed the same way the Shattered Library was cut off from Thedas - we can even find remains of previous adventurers.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 15, 2024 7:02:02 GMT
Is it fair to say that (from the vague scenes we saw) Rook is, on a basic level, Solas 2.0? They take it upon themselves to save people from dying, without thinking of the consequences, and end up unleashing big bad’s that are going to cause a lot of deaths. Death’s that will technically be on Rook’s shoulders now while they do whatever they have to in order to fix their mistake. 🤔 In that regard - yyyyyyyyup That is very decidedly an overt parallel. Though I'm pretty sure that they're bringing Inquisitor specifically because he's Solas designated counterpart, pertaining to their previous role (also, they're the ones who brought Rook into the conflict, as the main instigators of the operation to stop Solas)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 15, 2024 7:26:07 GMT
Is it fair to say that (from the vague scenes we saw) Rook is, on a basic level, Solas 2.0? They take it upon themselves to save people from dying, without thinking of the consequences, and end up unleashing big bad’s that are going to cause a lot of deaths. Death’s that will technically be on Rook’s shoulders now while they do whatever they have to in order to fix their mistake. 🤔 Disagree on the notion the deaths would be on Rook’s shoulders. The person who bears responsibility for whatever happens is Solas. If he didn’t do his ritual, they’d never get freed. Meanwhile if Rook didn’t act, everyone’s dead.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 15, 2024 7:34:30 GMT
Is it fair to say that (from the vague scenes we saw) Rook is, on a basic level, Solas 2.0? They take it upon themselves to save people from dying, without thinking of the consequences, and end up unleashing big bad’s that are going to cause a lot of deaths. Death’s that will technically be on Rook’s shoulders now while they do whatever they have to in order to fix their mistake. 🤔 Is it fair to say that (from the vague scenes we saw) Rook is, on a basic level, Solas 2.0? They take it upon themselves to save people from dying, without thinking of the consequences, and end up unleashing big bad’s that are going to cause a lot of deaths. Death’s that will technically be on Rook’s shoulders now while they do whatever they have to in order to fix their mistake. 🤔 In that regard - yyyyyyyyup That is very decidedly an overt parallel. Though I'm pretty sure that they're bringing Inquisitor specifically because he's Solas designated counterpart, pertaining to their previous role (also, they're the ones who brought Rook into the conflict, as the main instigators of the operation to stop Solas) now there's an interesting thought.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 15, 2024 7:39:59 GMT
Is it fair to say that (from the vague scenes we saw) Rook is, on a basic level, Solas 2.0? They take it upon themselves to save people from dying, without thinking of the consequences, and end up unleashing big bad’s that are going to cause a lot of deaths. Death’s that will technically be on Rook’s shoulders now while they do whatever they have to in order to fix their mistake. 🤔 Disagree on the notion the deaths would be on Rook’s shoulders. The person who bears responsibility for whatever happens is Solas. If he didn’t do his ritual, they’d never get freed. Meanwhile if Rook didn’t act, everyone’s dead. A. We don't yet know what Solas knows, so he may as well be similarly motivated to do what he does now. B. This is totally what happened when Solas created the Veil. If he didn't act, everyone's dead.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 15, 2024 8:16:59 GMT
Given that his statues typically stand in an honor guard spot in relation to other gods' statues, I doubt that he's portrayed as a wolf as an insult. If Dread Wolf was an insult from the Evanuris to him, then they must not have liked him. But why would you make statues of him at that point? If it was only in Mythal's temple/holdings, that might be one thing; they were friends. But he's a wolf in Dirthamen's temple, too, and we know that's from the time of Arlathan (as opposed to possibly being from the time of the Dales). Either this implies an alliance btwn them when Solas was reviled as the Dread Wolf, or the wolf statue came before whatever prompted the title. My theory is that he was always "the Wolf" and only became the "Dread Wolf" after his rebellion. This is connected with those Wolf statues. I think they may have not yet been associated with him but the Arcane Warriors generally. He told me that they were the bodyguards for the nobility in ancient elvhenan and nobody doubted their loyalty and honour, so that suggests to me that for an Arcane Warrior to rebel against the Evanuris would be unthinkable. He is always shown alongside Mythal as a sort of bodyguard and as she was one of the two highest ranking gods, it follows that her bodyguard would be the highest ranking Arcane Warrior. The big wolf statue above the Exalted Plains didn't just honour him but indicated this was likely the base of the Arcane Warriors (Cilian from DAMP was an Arcane Warrior and WoT2 says he acquired his skills by spending time at an ancient shrine to their order somewhere in the south). Solas was also likely her spymaster, just like Briala was with Celene, so that is where he may have acquired his slightly dubious reputation prior to her death and his rebellion. This is based on the fact that in the Deep Roads he is shown to her left hand side, and Leliana was the left-hand of the Divine and her spymaster. Also, remember that Rasaan seemed to think that Solas was not his original name. This doesn't contradict what he said to us because he merely said that Solas came first before Fen'Harel but that doesn't preclude an even earlier identity. Like the Qunari, the ancient elves appeared to change their name with their role in society. (Abelas had changed his name on entering her service and then again to Abelas after her death).
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Post by fluffysmom on Jun 15, 2024 8:25:20 GMT
Is it fair to say that (from the vague scenes we saw) Rook is, on a basic level, Solas 2.0? They take it upon themselves to save people from dying, without thinking of the consequences, and end up unleashing big bad’s that are going to cause a lot of deaths. Death’s that will technically be on Rook’s shoulders now while they do whatever they have to in order to fix their mistake. 🤔 Disagree on the notion the deaths would be on Rook’s shoulders. The person who bears responsibility for whatever happens is Solas. If he didn’t do his ritual, they’d never get freed. Meanwhile if Rook didn’t act, everyone’s dead. You can just as easily argue that Solas’ plan could have gone just fine, without the two figures being freed. Now we’ll never know. What we do know is that they appear because of Rook’s interference. So any damage or death they cause is partly, if not wholly, Rook’s fault.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 15, 2024 8:33:54 GMT
You can just as easily argue that Solas’ plan could have gone just fine, without the two figures being freed. Now we’ll never know. What we do know is that they appear because of Rook’s interference. So any damage or death they cause is partly, if not wholly, Rook’s fault. No, it is really Solas' fault. If he had given us more information about why he needed to do it and what he was going to do to mitigate the damage, as he maintained to Varric, then we might not have tried to stop him. All Rook knew was what they had been told. Based off that cinematic from 2022 that was that Solas was going to try and bring down the Veil with resulting death and destruction and we had to stop him. That's what Rook did. As I've said previously from Rook's perspective it was total destruction via a world flooded with demons versus the current scenario with the world mostly intact but two dangerous evil "gods" on the loose. Actually just evil ancient beings. We've dealt with evil ancient beings before. That's what Arch-demons are. That's what Corypheus was. So, now there's two of them. That's still better than utter destruction. Of course, if Solas finally decides to tell us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, may be then we'll see it differently but it still won't be Rook's fault because they didn't have that information. I so hope they give me the option to say as much to Solas or anyone else that starts accusing Rook.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Jun 15, 2024 10:01:38 GMT
From the Q&A today: Question: “Will the Inquisitor be appearing in the flesh, or are we just choosing their major DAI decisions?”
Corinne: “Yes. They will. The Inky does appear. We know how attached you all are to the Inquisitor and seen the love for your OC. Yes, the Inquisitor shows up. Now, we already confirmed that in a few places so let me just say you can also customize them, include some of our new customization options. Yeah, they’re going to show up and they’re going to be your Inquisitor.”
John Epler: “And I think beyond that, this story of Solas and this story of the Inquisitor are obviously are tied together as much as any story, so it would’ve been strange for us not to bring them in for this one. They are going to be a part of this story, so…”So all you Solas lovers will get some interactions with them. I am reasonably hopeful they will address critique Hawke's cameo had in DAI. If not by playing as Inky, then perhaps by giving control over their dialogue options? That they had focus group from DA fans is great. Seeing that some of them are solasmancers, I am certain having an interaction between Solas and Lavellan that you only listen to won't be received without feedback.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Jun 15, 2024 10:04:15 GMT
On a related note, replaying DAI atm. Loving it! It's funny how being better at English than I was back in 2014 reveals more nuances in the dialogues. For example, I wasn't enjoying prologue back then. Now story and narrative makes a bit more sense and I appreciate the opportunity to roleplay as more mature and cynical protagonist, as opposed to what I used to go for. Also mods help A LOT
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 15, 2024 10:15:34 GMT
B. This is totally what happened when Solas created the Veil. If he didn't act, everyone's dead. So he claimed among the several reasons he gave for creating the Veil and trapping the gods. These were: They killed Mythal; he couldn't kill them permanently (coupled with taking on 7 at once might have been beyond him); they would have destroyed the world. The latter is the one where he should have given us more information. How were they going to do this? Was it the Blight? Is it necessary to remove the Veil to "heal" the world of the Blight? Then his reason for wanting to remove the Veil: He wants to restore the world of the elves (the world with the nasty overpowered mages ruling as tyrants but the magic was good); he wants to save the elven people (which ones?). The consequences of removing the Veil? By his own admission we were all going to die. That is what he told the Inquisitor in Trespasser or at the very least it was a strong possibility. He has never really contradicted that impression since. Then right before the end he tells Varric he has taken steps to mitigate the damage. If that was possible, why didn't he tell us that before? Then perhaps we wouldn't have been so determined to stop him. However, I do think it is meant to mirror what happened with Solas (according to his version of the story) and it was a case that if we didn't act, everyone was dead. That's why originally it was going to be called the Dreadwolf because Rook was going to be the new "Dreadwolf" based on their actions. In the 2020 Behind the Scenes Video Solas said: "They call me the Dreadwolf, what will they call you?" I think those words may occur not long after the final scene in the gameplay trailer.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 15, 2024 13:16:58 GMT
How is everyone feeling about that "People die. That's what they do" line?
Overly out of character?
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 15, 2024 13:23:10 GMT
How is everyone feeling about that "People die. That's what they do" line? Overly out of character? I mean...is he wrong? People DO die. To a being from a time when everyone was immortal, it's an aberration.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 15, 2024 13:54:22 GMT
How is everyone feeling about that "People die. That's what they do" line? Overly out of character? I mean...is he wrong? People DO die. To a being from a time when everyone was immortal, it's an aberration. I've seen people complain that line was too cold for Solas, who always seems remorseful about this. But you know... he said that when he was just about to complete his goal. In such a crucial moment, he could hardly care about anything else. If Solas was angrier, he could have even said "NO, IT DOESN'T MATTER!".
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 15, 2024 14:00:13 GMT
How is everyone feeling about that "People die. That's what they do" line? Overly out of character? It could be seen as out of character with the person we knew in Inquisition but how much was that him or as he wished to present himself? Since then he has committed to this path, the path of death as he told lover Lavellan, so it would seem he had accepted his death if it achieved his goals. Even normally moral people can become twisted in their morality into agreeing to terrible things because they believe it is justified, for whatever reason. Remember he lost is long time companion "Wisdom" and now is only accompanied by "Purpose", or perhaps more correctly "Obsession". He was utterly convinced of the necessity for what he was attempting and, more importantly, didn't feel the need to explain himself beyond what he revealed in Trespasser. Back then he seemed to think he was "saving his people" even if the current world had to die. That is a very dangerous attitude but to a large extent wholly in character knowing what happened in ancient times. When he thought locking away the gods was the only course open to him, did he even consider how it might impact negatively on the elves and even if he did think there might be deaths as a result, he probably thought they were necessary collateral damage. It was only after he had acted that he discovered how badly his actions had harmed them. The strange part is that he now how huge Regret at what he had done. Surely, if it was necessary to save the world he needed to accept the results and move on? So, was it really necessary at the time? He thought it was but apparently now he doesn't or he wouldn't be trying to reverse it. The current people of the world wouldn't be alive but for his actions, so he probably feels he can disregard their deaths.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 15, 2024 14:09:21 GMT
Disagree on the notion the deaths would be on Rook’s shoulders. The person who bears responsibility for whatever happens is Solas. If he didn’t do his ritual, they’d never get freed. Meanwhile if Rook didn’t act, everyone’s dead. You can just as easily argue that Solas’ plan could have gone just fine, without the two figures being freed. Now we’ll never know. What we do know is that they appear because of Rook’s interference. So any damage or death they cause is partly, if not wholly, Rook’s fault. I mean, "just fine" would have included most/everyone dying, so Rook intervening prevented that, no matter what. Technically, any deaths the Evanuris cause are on Rook, and I'm sure they will likely feel guilt over that (tho maybe that will be optional), but really its ultimately Solas' fault cus he was performing the ritual in the first place, and in such a way that could only be badly interrupted to be stopped. Rook is the Inquisitor 2.0, though with a bit more knowledge about what was at stake when he acted. The Inquisitor interrupted Corypheus, and their getting embedded with the anchor resulted in the Breach persisting longer than it otherwise would have, with all the attached deaths from rifts technically being their "fault". But, if they hadn't been there, Cory or Solas would have entered the Fade and it would have been curtains from the start. I do not consider the Breach to be the Inquisitor's fault, I consider it to be Solas' (and Corypheus').
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 15, 2024 16:22:01 GMT
Disagree on the notion the deaths would be on Rook’s shoulders. The person who bears responsibility for whatever happens is Solas. If he didn’t do his ritual, they’d never get freed. Meanwhile if Rook didn’t act, everyone’s dead. You can just as easily argue that Solas’ plan could have gone just fine, without the two figures being freed. Now we’ll never know. What we do know is that they appear because of Rook’s interference. So any damage or death they cause is partly, if not wholly, Rook’s fault. Except if Solas’s ritual wasn’t interrupted, everyone does so no you can’t.
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