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Post by Amburu on Aug 15, 2016 13:04:33 GMT
Hey also you might be interested to know that Blanketfort 2 is already the longest thread (for now at least) hahaha ooohh weeell I have to tell you about the stupid dream I had tonight ! So I was with friends, time travelling, and I actually mean TRAVELLING, as it had become a safe way to spend fancy vacations lol, because WHAT COULD GO WRONG, RIGHT ? But there we were, messing around in another time. Then we decided it was time to go back to our present, but after typing the IP (yes it worked with ips, dont ask) we appeared in a weeeeird reality that definitely wasn't ours. We had jumped into a new timeline we knew nothing about and contacted the support hotline because we could xD they gave us another IP and lots of apologies, so we finally made it to the right location but something is wrong : we meet a few companions from dai and DORIAN IS BALD (omgggg looll) it's the good timeline buuuuttt IN THE FUTURE and then I have an insight from Solas's view (because remember, he is always there) and he remembers from spying on the venatoris that carrying gems and stuff affects travelling slightly, and he was the one carrying them, so he tosses everything away without even thinking twice (I don't believe we're even aware of this) and we all make it back home safely. tldr : DORIAN WAS BALD
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Aug 15, 2016 13:37:50 GMT
Thanks! And I LOVE that over there, our thread is 15,344 pages long. LOL. We sure are voluble folk.
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Post by drosophila on Aug 15, 2016 14:48:30 GMT
Hey also you might be interested to know that Blanketfort 2 is already the longest thread (for now at least) hahaha ooohh weeell I have to tell you about the stupid dream I had tonight ! So I was with friends, time travelling, and I actually mean TRAVELLING, as it had become a safe way to spend fancy vacations lol, because WHAT COULD GO WRONG, RIGHT ? But there we were, messing around in another time. Then we decided it was time to go back to our present, but after typing the IP (yes it worked with ips, dont ask) we appeared in a weeeeird reality that definitely wasn't ours. We had jumped into a new timeline we knew nothing about and contacted the support hotline because we could xD they gave us another IP and lots of apologies, so we finally made it to the right location but something is wrong : we meet a few companions from dai and DORIAN IS BALD (omgggg looll) it's the good timeline buuuuttt IN THE FUTURE and then I have an insight from Solas's view (because remember, he is always there) and he remembers from spying on the venatoris that carrying gems and stuff affects travelling slightly, and he was the one carrying them, so he tosses everything away without even thinking twice (I don't believe we're even aware of this) and we all make it back home safely. tldr : DORIAN WAS BALD This made my morning I take it bandwidth was not fast enough to load Dorian's hair. Maybe Solas is bald to allow for hassle-free time traveling?
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Post by Amburu on Aug 15, 2016 15:14:54 GMT
Alright I had to make you witness the glory of what has been seen on this night
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Post by Shari'El on Aug 15, 2016 15:26:11 GMT
Alright I had to make you witness the glory of what has been seen on this night I felt it wasn't enough to have this pic appear only once on this thread, so I had to quote This is glorious
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Aug 15, 2016 16:14:33 GMT
Is that a comb-over?!! Dorian would die rather than have a comb-over! Lol poor Dorian.
Edited to add: He reminds me somewhat of Hergé's Thomson and Thompson from the Tintin comics.
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Post by Amburu on Aug 15, 2016 17:07:23 GMT
Ok this (from the twitter thread) : www.giantbomb.com/articles/guest-column-on-monsters-role-playing-and-blacknes/1100-5479/I need to properly investigate what the stupid ancient elf boyfriend tells to qunari inqs because this sounds like a serious problem I understand being salty towards the Qun, as I could understand feeling bitter about the Qunaris overall if he or the evanuris were involved in creating them etc, from speculations But he would really harass a tal-vashoth as well ? Or is it the usual "nowadays thedas full of tranquils nooees" he gives to everyone ? He starts warming up to IB when he gets Tal-vashoth after all, it wouldn't make sense ! Anybody got Qunari runs here ? I'm sorry if i missed the point or anything, I had never thought about it under that light. I feel stupid because it was OBVIOUS lol sheesh this is why these articles are so important
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Post by lynroy on Aug 15, 2016 17:28:43 GMT
Solas does say this to a friendly Qunari Inquisitor: "Qunari are savage creatures, their ferocity held in check only by the rigid teachings of the Qun."
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Post by Amburu on Aug 15, 2016 17:42:13 GMT
Solas does say this to a friendly Qunari Inquisitor: "Qunari are savage creatures, their ferocity held in check only by the rigid teachings of the Qun." I'm aware of this one (from youtube), but even que Qunari themselves believe this, as IB is so scared to become Tal-vashoth because it would imply automatically turning savage. Appears it isn't (well, DUH) but if you believe in something strongly it becomes a somewhat self-fulfilling thing. Hence the Qun making itself somehow necessary like that. That's how I understood this line. Also as they were highly probably created for a purpose, it's possible that they were made for being brutal warriors. I truly don't believe in inborn nature but this is a world with callings and darkspawns digging for centuries to reach archdemons underground after all.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Aug 15, 2016 18:14:17 GMT
What confounds me a bit is that the qunari are said to hail from a different continent altogether - so if the elves created them, how did they end up so far away?
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Ok this (from the twitter thread) : www.giantbomb.com/articles/guest-column-on-monsters-role-playing-and-blacknes/1100-5479/I need to properly investigate what the stupid ancient elf boyfriend tells to qunari inqs because this sounds like a serious problem I understand being salty towards the Qun, as I could understand feeling bitter about the Qunaris overall if he or the evanuris were involved in creating them etc, from speculations But he would really harass a tal-vashoth as well ? Or is it the usual "nowadays thedas full of tranquils nooees" he gives to everyone ? He starts warming up to IB when he gets Tal-vashoth after all, it wouldn't make sense ! Anybody got Qunari runs here ? I'm sorry if i missed the point or anything, I had never thought about it under that light. I feel stupid because it was OBVIOUS lol sheesh this is why these articles are so important Solas literally cannot afford to see the people of Thedas as people, regardless of race, because that would compromise his ultimate mission. Unless romanced, it's true your character is not fully real to him, just barely so if befriended. He still chooses to go through with his plans, despite how he feels about your character. Modern Thedas to him is not unlike the broken future in In Hushed Whispers, and just like your character, he wants to set things back the way they were. He believes his duty to the elves is more important than any personal feelings. As far as his racism goes, it's pretty blatant that he sees everyone as crippled half-beings because of their lost or blunted connection to the Fade (or whatever dwarves had). I can see that the possibility of being able to change his mind about such things would not be enough for some players to want their characters to associate with him, or that they would find him repulsive, especially if such thoughtless speech was a hurtful part of their regular existence (like with the article's author). What was missing from that article, I thought, were mentions of Sera's gross fetishizing of Qunari women, and Dorian's slavery apologism, which seemed pertinent to what she was discussing, though perhaps she thought them distracting from the main point. There are a lot of intersections of race, class, culture and history in Thedas, and how you as a player react to them can change drastically depending on the individual cultural lens you are viewing them through. Which is why some characters (such as Solas) can be adored by one half of a fandom and reviled by the other.
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Post by Amburu on Aug 15, 2016 19:26:01 GMT
@dawnstone Yea that's how I was considering it all this time. It would feel out of character if there was more than this to it. I love when stuff makes sense. Then, people aren't always logical so it still could have been possible. Ughfgdnfghbglbt
You do raise great points, I think I'm definitely going on a Qunari run someday. There's so much I need to find out there. It's great because I've never really paid much attention to them so far if not for codices. Everything is interesting. I've been under the dalish pov all this time and definitely this can't be enough
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 15, 2016 19:28:05 GMT
What confounds me a bit is that the qunari are said to hail from a different continent altogether - so if the elves created them, how did they end up so far away? Well...
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 15, 2016 19:35:22 GMT
I have finally found something relevant on twitter! PW said that his new book is set "in a new world" tweetSo I guess no Solas news from Bioware until DA4.. Wait, does he mean his old new world, Rogues of the Republic, or a new new world?
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 15, 2016 19:37:45 GMT
I have finally found something relevant on twitter! PW said that his new book is set "in a new world" tweetSo I guess no Solas news from Bioware until DA4.. Wait, does he mean his old new world, Rogues of the Republic, or a new new world? New new. He mentioned it a few times on his twitter. The Rogues series so far has no planned continuation.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 15, 2016 20:28:47 GMT
Solas does say this to a friendly Qunari Inquisitor: "Qunari are savage creatures, their ferocity held in check only by the rigid teachings of the Qun." I wish they've made his speech longer, but I suppose word budget and cutscene lenght got in the way and the Qunari comment specifically can come across as either awkward or just plain... eh. Yet when he has his argument with Iron Bull and specifically when they're in a party with Qunari Inquisitor, Solas does make it quite clear that he thinks that this is predominantly fault of culture that the Qunari are the way they are, rather than people per se: Solas: If your Qun is so wonderful, so fair and perfect, how does it create so many Tal-Vashoth? (if the Inquisitor is Qunari) Solas: There are enough of them to marry and have children, like the man/woman we travel with! Iron Bull: And for every one who turns out alright, like him/her, and his/her parents, dozens go savage. (Otherwise) Iron Bull: Most Tal-Vashoth are nothing more than savages. Killing's all they know. Iron Bull: The Ben-Hassrath are trying to lose fewer people to that sickness. Solas: It isn't a sickness. You are losing them because they see a chance for freedom! Solas: And most of them are "savage," as you say, because your culture taught them nothing else.
Solas: They know nothing but the Qun. So even as they fight against it, they are guided by its principles.
Iron Bull: Watch it, elf. You haven't seen the Tal-Vashoth like I have. Iron Bull: Try watching a Tal-Vashoth kill a Tamassran and her kids. Then we'll talk. What's more, it isn't an isolated case - Solas blames a lot of problems with modern people on how they're being raised (he makes comments in such spirit about Circle mages and Vints) rather than who they are. Even in case of befriended elf Quizzy he makes a comment about Dalish being able to "raise a person with a spirit like Quizzy's". Seems to me then that as much as the Veil might have changed people, for him the fault lies predominantly in nurture rather than nature.... which, you know, in a world shaped in large part by will may have more of an impact than it can ever have here, but ultimately is not an integral part of people that they can't change. Question remains however what will happen to people if they indeed change their minds on some things...
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 15, 2016 20:38:41 GMT
Popping in for my fix of you wonderful people! Happy Monday! I don't think Solas has actually spent much time among the city elves. He's probably seen things in dreams, heard what his agents reported but actually going to an alienage and talking to the people there? Not sure he's actually done that. He should. Yes, he really should in a future game/book. I'm very keen on Solas getting to know city elves...so keen I wedged it into my second fic. He obviously had some bad encounters with Dalish, but is more or less dismissive of the city elves. I wonder if any of their traditions are more or less accurate than those of the Dalish...I probably just really miss the Denerim and Kirkwall alienages after all that time in Inquisition being a free-range elf. I wouldn't say he's "dismissive" - he is probably honest when saying that he sees no way to help the elves unless things in the world change and finds it futile to fill a random, impoverished city elf with tales of ancient elves and their god-like deeds, because it'd likely get them killed or bitter about their state more than they're now (which, let's face it, is likely what would happen and what - partially - has been happening with the Dalish). Also, if a enemy/rival Quizzy confronts Solas about elves and suggests Solas just barging into alienage with intentions to help Solas points out that it'd either anger nobles or get innocent, sympathetic humans harmed as well, only making the situation worse.
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Post by Elessara on Aug 15, 2016 20:53:34 GMT
Popping in for my fix of you wonderful people! Happy Monday! Yes, he really should in a future game/book. I'm very keen on Solas getting to know city elves...so keen I wedged it into my second fic. He obviously had some bad encounters with Dalish, but is more or less dismissive of the city elves. I wonder if any of their traditions are more or less accurate than those of the Dalish...I probably just really miss the Denerim and Kirkwall alienages after all that time in Inquisition being a free-range elf. I wouldn't say he's "dismissive" - he is probably honest when saying that he sees no way to help the elves unless things in the world change and finds it futile to fill a random, impoverished city elf with tales of ancient elves and their god-like deeds, because it'd likely get them killed or bitter about their state more than they're now (which, let's face it, is likely what would happen and what - partially - has been happening with the Dalish). Also, if a enemy/rival Quizzy confronts Solas about elves and suggests Solas just barging into alienage with intentions to help Solas points out that it'd either anger nobles or get innocent, sympathetic humans harmed as well, only making the situation worse. I didn't really mean he should go in and start telling tales of how wonderful elves were in the past or start his rebellion shtick in an Alienage. He seems to have mostly had dealings (or tried to) with the Dalish. He needs a different perspective on modern elves. And there are other ways to help than trying to incite a riot or violence.
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Post by jtav on Aug 15, 2016 21:10:20 GMT
I'm not really sure what would change Solas' viewpoint (and realistically in game design terms, the protagonist of DA4 is going to have to bring him to a place where he cannot possibly succeed before he backs down, similar to Loghain) but In general I would tell him: "Let it go. Your world is dead, but there is beauty and enchantment in this one if you know where to look. We've created beautiful things your elves would have never dreamed of and that is worth preserving." Or more harshly, "You're no better than the Qun, destroying what doesn't fit into your paradigm."
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Aug 15, 2016 21:16:14 GMT
What confounds me a bit is that the qunari are said to hail from a different continent altogether - so if the elves created them, how did they end up so far away? Well... The implications if so would be huge! Are there still ancient elves living on the same continent the qunari came from? Or were they slain by their own creations? Will we ever get to go there through the eluvians? *intense hype*
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 15, 2016 21:18:53 GMT
I wouldn't say he's "dismissive" - he is probably honest when saying that he sees no way to help the elves unless things in the world change and finds it futile to fill a random, impoverished city elf with tales of ancient elves and their god-like deeds, because it'd likely get them killed or bitter about their state more than they're now (which, let's face it, is likely what would happen and what - partially - has been happening with the Dalish). Also, if a enemy/rival Quizzy confronts Solas about elves and suggests Solas just barging into alienage with intentions to help Solas points out that it'd either anger nobles or get innocent, sympathetic humans harmed as well, only making the situation worse. I didn't really mean he should go in and start telling tales of how wonderful elves were in the past or start his rebellion shtick in an Alienage. He seems to have mostly had dealings (or tried to) with the Dalish. He needs a different perspective on modern elves. And there are other ways to help than trying to incite a riot or violence. W don't know that, actually. We do know that his agents did indeed deal with city elves (TME) and we have no way of saying if he didn't try to contact city elves as well (we do know some other forces try it - as evidenced by servant in Val Royeaux whose dreams are haunted by one who claims that she's Mythal... Also, anybody finds it amusing that the elf servant in question is voiced by the same VO that did Abelas' and Amerridan's voice? I guess his is the staple elfy voice ). We mostly base our assumptions that Solas dealt or tried to contact the Dalish predominantly because the Inquisitor is Dalish, hence the focus is on them. However I'd like to point out that - if they want to - it's the Dalish Inquisitors who ask Solas about city elves and not the other way around and from description he gives, short as it is, he doesn't seem to be too far off the mark. Also, I think Solas is smart enough to be aware that there are other ways to help rather than incite a riot or violence... which is why he dismisses Quizzy's suggestion outright and claims that there are no simple solutions, which likely means that more peaceful solutions he could try would likely not give results that would satisfy him. TBH I have hard time believing he just sat all those thousands of years in the Fade and just plotted everyone's demise instead of looking for a better or less destructive solutions. I simply think that the answer is indeed not as simple as interacting with some modern people or city elves or any similar "we just need to talk to him/show him the beauty of the world!" scenarios I sometimes see (speaking in general here). It literally took near-miraculous events and a few cosmic coincidences around Quizzy (and Quizzy actually being a decent person not crushed by all the crazy things that happens to them) for Solas to even consider that he may not be right in being so pessimistic about the future of modern Thedas, and even that is not enough for him. We'd likely need something even more miraculous for him to change his plans or attitude towards the world and what has to be done.
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Always wanted to make this gesture a gif, and I had some downtime today - so here it is. His arm gesture and expression make this a "What, you gotta problem?" moment. I just love it.
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