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Post by ellawyn on Sept 11, 2016 21:27:54 GMT
Small question, why do you suppose Fen'Harel's self portrait and the one in his sanctuary, presumably done by himself or his followers, shows the wolf as having three eyes? IRL the "third eye" has something to do with special insight but I don't recall anything similar in Thedas. I assume there has to be some significance to it. Pride demons have three eyes on each side of their face (plus another in the middle). You know, it occurred to me just now as I was looking at that picture, but those ridges about the shoulders also look a bit like ruffled fur/mane. But I'm pretty sure Solas' wolf form doesn't have horns or thorn branches growing out of the elbows. ;P
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 12, 2016 0:01:15 GMT
Here's something useless, but a bit funny... Some of you may know that I'm now babying a new kitten in my house. He's - obviously - super-adorbz, and one of my favorite things about him is that he has beautiful bright blue/grayish eyes. I've never had a cat with such eyes; it's a novelty. So you can imagine my surprise when under the light his eyes glow red instead of the usual greenish-yellow. Then I've found out that basically all/most cats with blue eyes have tapetum lucidum that glows red. And it makes sense. Blue and gray eyes have the lowest amount of pigment (gray even less than blue), so the color is likely influenced by blood vessels in the eyes. Same way people with blue and gray eyes, as well as albino eyes, more frequently have red eyes on photos. There's not enough melanin to nullify all those blood vessels reflecting light. ... And since we know that elves in Thedas do indeed have tapetum lucidum, there's only one conclusion to make: Solas's eyes (as well as any elf with pale eyes) naturally glow red - he doesn't need red lyrium infection for that s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/aa/04/89/aa04892f50797d966032b8b39d67fd2e.jpgI can imagine that freaking out people unused to the sight of elves eyes shining in the dark Btw. having gray eyes also explains the faint purple-ish ring we can see around his pupils - his eyes have so little pigment that those are likely blood vessels. It's actually nothing unusual - Leliana and Josie use the same eye texture and they have purple'ish ring around their pupils too. Solas' eyes are noted to have one plainly because a.) his irises and pupils are bigger than humans b.) all his features are way more scrutinized, let's be honest here... So, it's a silly little thing, but it actually made me think about elves and tapetum lucidum again. It's been a while since I've wondered why they actually have it. Dwarves apparently have it too, it's noted in the lore (WoT vol. 1, AFAIK) but it's not as visible - and in their case it actually make sense, because they were predominantly living underground for who knows how long and therefore having a use of it in poor lighting conditions. But what's the elves 'excuse'? I don't think this is just a 'gimmick feature' meant to just distinguish them from humans - it bears some significance, same way seeing more colors and details in Crossroads is, I'm sure. What it could mean is that the elves either lived for long or originated in area with poor lighting conditions, same way dwarves did. Perhaps they were 'creatures of the night' - whatever that means. Either literally or figuratively... or likely both.
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Post by Seven Zettabytes on Sept 12, 2016 0:34:27 GMT
That was a very interesting read, Midnight Tea! Your kitten is adorable. Between the tapetum lucidum and the ears, the only explanation is that elves are evolved cats.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 12, 2016 1:02:28 GMT
That was a very interesting read, Midnight Tea! Your kitten is adorable. Between the tapetum lucidum and the ears, the only explanation is that elves are evolved cats. They even have similar ears and the detached, dignified attitude! Does this mean all they have to do to take over Thedas is to post drawings of them curled up in tiny boxes and swatting mice on a string?
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 12, 2016 1:03:30 GMT
That was a very interesting read, Midnight Tea! Your kitten is adorable. Between the tapetum lucidum and the ears, the only explanation is that elves are evolved cats. Well, cats can sleep to 20 hours a day, which is almost like uthenera ;P But yeah, I've made comparison to cats on old forum too. Which made me speculate that elves, like cats, have a propensity to sleep in bizarre positions and likely stretch a lot after sleep xD
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Post by opuspace on Sept 12, 2016 1:08:51 GMT
I think I'll smack myself in the head for not realizing that sooner, midnight tea.
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Post by Ondine on Sept 12, 2016 2:28:25 GMT
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Post by floratheelf on Sept 12, 2016 6:08:16 GMT
Small question, why do you suppose Fen'Harel's self portrait and the one in his sanctuary, presumably done by himself or his followers, shows the wolf as having three eyes? IRL the "third eye" has something to do with special insight but I don't recall anything similar in Thedas. I assume there has to be some significance to it. Pride demons have three eyes on each side of their face (plus another in the middle). I never would have made that connection, that's pretty neat. Solas thread to the rescue again
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Post by Solas on Sept 12, 2016 12:30:06 GMT
'solas', in part, means pride/arrogance in elvish. you can see pride and wisdom as traits in equal measure in his character. corrupted spirits of wisdom become pride demons. they handled his personal quest the way they did for a reason. the quest name is even his own title. What Pride Had Wrought .. the Corypheus incident is Solas' fault. What Solas Did. all the 'Solas was once a spirit' theory stuff. Pride stayed Ghilan'nain's handthere's the " sinner" ( come not to a prideful place or whatever the Solasan temple door stuff says).. For one moment there is an image of a shifting, shadowy mass with blazing eyes, whose form may be one or many. Then it fades"I was Solas first... 'Fen'Harel' came later, an insult I took as a badge of pride." he didn't assume the name Solas as penance for his prideful misdeeds (prior to Trespasser this was my assumption), it almost seems to me that 'Solas' manifested, and later on the word came to mean pride in the elven language? not sayin he is a pride demon exactly (or am i....) bu uut.... SHE KNOW
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Post by Auirel on Sept 12, 2016 12:46:12 GMT
Does anyone else find it odd that when you suggest that Corypheus is using the power of the orb to control the fake Archdemon, Solas, somewhat passionately, says "nothing in any lore connects my people to the Old God dragons who became Archdemons". He does say nothing in any lore, but given how much of elven lore is discovered to be wrong I wonder how much truth this has to it. Or if it another half truth by Solas. It sounds like he would dodge the truth on this issue, at that particular point in the game you probably either only had your first friendship/romance scene so he's probably still sticking with his plan pretty closely.
And, with Corypheus whole immortality thing, where and when did he learn it? The knowledge was in the Well of Sorrows, but Corypheus has this ability with him ever since he was revived in DA2, presumably before he was imprisoned. Corypheus must have already placed a portion of his power within his dragon. I hope I'm not messing up continuity here.
If the knowledge of how to become immortal is found both in the Well of Sorrows and by Corypheus and the other Magisters after they entered the Black City, I think its safe to say that the ancient elves had that knowledge too, or at least only the Evanuris had that knowledge too (the first of my people do not die so easily) and maybe hoarded it from the rest of the elves. No coincidence either that it only seems to work when you have the Blight.
Also you have that banter Solas has with Cassandra on the fake Archdemon. I don't remember exactly what was said, but in general Cassandra wonders if the Archdemons are merely pets to beings that no longer exist. And Solas sort of laughs and says "I would not go as far as that." This is odd as well (but more so from a writer's perspective) to bring up this idea about the Archdemons being pets, and then dismiss it. I'm probably overthinking this part but eh.
Potentially I think we're looking at Blighted Evanuris having invested a portion of their power in the Archdemons. Killing them gives that power back to the Evanuris, and they're waiting for the last Archdemons to die to break out of their prison in full force . It would also neatly explain why Mythal would want the Old God Soul, if its a portion of an Evanuris' power, she might try to keep it from them so they stay imprisoned, or use it herself to exact her vengeance, whatever that might entail.
Anyways, theory-crafting over...
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Post by Seven Zettabytes on Sept 12, 2016 14:15:47 GMT
Question : Do you think we might get dual protags for Mass Effect Andromeda? Like, not 50/50 but maybe we could play bro/sis/dad Ryder in addition to our character, for some missions (like we played Joker for one mission in ME2)? If they do it, even to a lesser extent, it could mean interesting things for Dragon Age 4! (HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE) Mac Walters has answered your question (somewhat?): bsn.boards.net/post/66566/threadThat sounds like we can play only one of them, but you could argue that picking one to play at the start doesn't mean playing them throughout the entire game. And it doesn't say anything about dad Ryder...
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Post by Feyriane on Sept 12, 2016 14:24:33 GMT
Question : Do you think we might get dual protags for Mass Effect Andromeda? Like, not 50/50 but maybe we could play bro/sis/dad Ryder in addition to our character, for some missions (like we played Joker for one mission in ME2)? If they do it, even to a lesser extent, it could mean interesting things for Dragon Age 4! (HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE) Mac Walters has answered your question (somewhat?): bsn.boards.net/post/66566/threadThat sounds like we can play only one of them, but you could argue that picking one to play at the start doesn't mean playing them throughout the entire game. And it doesn't say anything about dad Ryder... Thank you for the info! I hope it's Walters being sneaky with his answer, then!
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 12, 2016 15:28:05 GMT
Does anyone else find it odd that when you suggest that Corypheus is using the power of the orb to control the fake Archdemon, Solas, somewhat passionately, says "nothing in any lore connects my people to the Old God dragons who became Archdemons". He does say nothing in any lore, but given how much of elven lore is discovered to be wrong I wonder how much truth this has to it. Or if it another half truth by Solas. It sounds like he would dodge the truth on this issue, at that particular point in the game you probably either only had your first friendship/romance scene so he's probably still sticking with his plan pretty closely. Oh, I agree that he was using obfuscation when he said that nothing in the lore connects his people to Archdemon. The sentence is too suspicious to not be read as Solas hiding something. He obviously knows something - question is what. We usually keep assuming that Old Gods are somehow deeply connected with ancient world and Evanuris, and OGB Kieran also seems to confirm that. But we don't really know the connection, or whether Solas actually knows about Old God as much as we assume... What I do find interesting is that WoT2 excerpt suggests that Old God dragons were indeed imprisoned underground - and not only that, they were apparently imprisoned by magic so foul that even the darkspawn were wary of it. I sort of wonder what it was and how old indeed are the Old Gods... He didn't learn it, as much as he seems to have discovered he's capable of it after being corrupted by the Blight. There are many things about Corypheus that suggest that he's not really that much aware what's really happened to him, or what is the origin of his powers or how indeed they work. Like inn case of the Orb, he's meddling with powers he doesn't really understand - not that he cares, considering that in his twisted mind he's on holy mission and thinks that the ends justify the means. We know for pretty much a fact that ancient elves were immortal. Heck, Solas is a walking example of it. Someone once tried to guess his age, and concluded that he may as well be over 9,000 years old. (sorry, I had to...) Then there's Flemeth surviving what was probably a very solid attempt at her life as well as Solas having to create the Veil and cut the world from most of teh Fade in order to imprison Evanuris rather than kill them. Anyhoo - while I think Corypheus' or Archdemons body-hopping ability or Cory's bond with corrupted dragon does suggest something about the nature of immortality, it's curious that Solas call's Corypheus' trick an "effective immortality" Like, yeah, he's effectively immortal, but not truly immortal? Well, we sort of see Flemeth's pet? When Inquisitor drinks from the Well and goes to fight the Mythal altar's guardian? It does appear to be a fairly straightforward dragon though; maybe more intelligent and controllable or something, but not a creature that is capable of whispering stuff to peopel and luring them to the Golden City with the promises of power and divinity. TBH at this point I'm not sure what to think about the Old Gods. They may be linked with Evanuris or they might be something else entirely, which includes Forgotten ones. Well, what killing Corypheus' dragon did was not really empowering him, but disrupting his immortality enough for Inquisitor to actually deal with the guy. So it doesn't really seem as beneficial to have the dragons killed, as it weakens the pet's masters. It may as well be that killing of Archdemons disrupts some sort of process that maybe keeps Evanuris at bay, instead of empowering Blighted elvhen god-kings. Also, Flemeth obviously has her reasons to be secretive about what OGB really is, but I'm not entirely sure it's just an essence she's stolen from Evanuris? She calls Kieran as someone "carrying a piece of what once was, snatched away from darkness"... it's not much, but the wording doesn't really suggests like it's something/someone she begrudgingly steals from others, but something/someone she actually saved. And considering how emotional she is about the whole reckoning hat shall shake the very heavens'.... I'm not entirely sure she'd be so calm and collected if she was in presence of Evanuris she seems to resent till this very day.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 12, 2016 15:29:15 GMT
Question : Do you think we might get dual protags for Mass Effect Andromeda? Like, not 50/50 but maybe we could play bro/sis/dad Ryder in addition to our character, for some missions (like we played Joker for one mission in ME2)? If they do it, even to a lesser extent, it could mean interesting things for Dragon Age 4! (HOPE HOPE HOPE HOPE) Mac Walters has answered your question (somewhat?): bsn.boards.net/post/66566/threadThat sounds like we can play only one of them, but you could argue that picking one to play at the start doesn't mean playing them throughout the entire game. And it doesn't say anything about dad Ryder... I wouldn't be surprised if we just occasionally switched to the sibling, kinda like in case of temporarily switching to Ciri in last Witcher game. No customization and maybe basic, unique attacks and choices, but enough to present something important to the player that would be difficult to convey without the game just telling us abut it, rather than showing it (that's sort of the problem with fixed PoV - if the PC isn't at the center of events at all times the only way for them to get to know or experience something important happening simultaneously/far away somewhere is basically hearing about it)
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 12, 2016 17:10:37 GMT
We know for pretty much a fact that ancient elves were immortal. Heck, Solas is a walking example of it. Someone once tried to guess his age, and concluded that he may as well be over 9,000 years old. But the bulk of those 9,000 years came out of the assumption that Solas is older than Arlathan (Since Arlathan was said to have been founded about 8,000 years ago.). I personally think he was added to the pantheon later, a la Ghilan'Nain. Probably only Mythal and Elgar'Nan actually predate Arlathan, with everyone else being born/added afterwards. It'd still make Solas old as hell - he's got to be at least 2,000, since that's when Tevinter was established - and probably a few centuries if not millenia older than that. But I still think 9,000 is a little high.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 12, 2016 17:24:56 GMT
We know for pretty much a fact that ancient elves were immortal. Heck, Solas is a walking example of it. Someone once tried to guess his age, and concluded that he may as well be over 9,000 years old. But the bulk of those 9,000 years came out of the assumption that Solas is older than Elvhenan (Since Elvhenan was said to have lasted at least 8000 years.). I personally think he was added to the pantheon later, a la Ghilan'Nain. Probably only Mythal and Elgar'Nan actually predate Arlathan, with everyone else being born/added later. It'd still make Solas old as hell - he's got to be at least 2,000, since that's when Tevinter was established - and probably a few centuries if not millenia older than that. But I still think 9,000 is a little high. This is Solas's mural. Painted "an aeon" before the mine was buried, showing him downing the Titan - something apparently Mythal took credit for, for whatever reason. Then there's the fact that there are Fen'Harel's statues back in the day when a stylized/bird statue that likely represents all of Evanuris had only two prongs sticking out of its head, instead of later 6 or 7. That, plus I don't think Flemythal would be calling Solas "old friend" (nor the devs would be calling him 'one of the oldest friends') if he actually wasn't... well... old. Then there's war that Solas apparently acutely remembers that has turned Evanuris from generals to god-kings. And then there's the fact that Solas's 900 years might be nothing compared to age of either Mythal or Arlathan...
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Post by ellawyn on Sept 12, 2016 19:23:00 GMT
But the bulk of those 9,000 years came out of the assumption that Solas is older than Elvhenan (Since Elvhenan was said to have lasted at least 8000 years.). I personally think he was added to the pantheon later, a la Ghilan'Nain. Probably only Mythal and Elgar'Nan actually predate Arlathan, with everyone else being born/added later. It'd still make Solas old as hell - he's got to be at least 2,000, since that's when Tevinter was established - and probably a few centuries if not millenia older than that. But I still think 9,000 is a little high. This is Solas's mural. Painted "an aeon" before the mine was buried, showing him downing the Titan - something apparently Mythal took credit for, for whatever reason. Then there's the fact that there are Fen'Harel's statues back in the day when a stylized/bird statue that likely represents all of Evanuris had only two prongs sticking out of its head, instead of later 6 or 7. That, plus I don't think Flemythal would be calling Solas "old friend" (nor the devs would be calling him 'one of the oldest friends') if he actually wasn't... well... old. Then there's war that Solas apparently acutely remembers that has turned Evanuris from generals to god-kings. And then there's the fact that Solas's 900 years might be nothing compared to age of either Mythal or Arlathan... ...Okay. I'm not understanding how this proves he's 9,000 years old? Also Arlathan was founded in -7600 Ancient, which would make it 8,500 years old, so if Solas is 9,000 then his age is greater than Arlathan's, not the other way around. He is probably younger than Mythal, though. EDIT: ah, you quoted the old post, from before I edited it for accuracy. Yeah, Elvhenan as a whole is older than Arlathan, the city. They're also not interchangeable, which is my bad because I keep doing that.
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Post by Auirel on Sept 13, 2016 1:31:53 GMT
I probably should have explained that by immortal, I meant the common definition of immortal, being unable to be killed. We do know the ancient elves didn't age, but it seems they could die.As far as being able to cheat death, the only time that's hinted at is with the Evanuris. Solas didn't kill them because they couldn't be killed in the traditional sense. I don't know either if there is a distinction that Solas is making when he says effective immortality. His language is a bit confusing when he says the elves were immortal, but then follows up by saying that the Veil caused them to age. Being ageless isn't, by itself, true immortality either. It is a gamble, yes. It weakens them as far as them being immortal, but if it returns the power that they invested into the Archdemons, then wouldn't it make them physically/magically more powerful, if only mortal? The immortality trick isn't really dictated by the amount of power you have, only if you've invested a part of it elsewhere. If is the only way for them to break out of their prison (before Solas deals with them, whatever that may be) then they might end up doing so. That another interesting line that could possibly mean anything in the damn world. Why are all ancient elves so insufferably vague? But here, because I missed 100 pages, have another Solas screencap. We're good at those.
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Post by colonelkillabee on Sept 13, 2016 4:13:47 GMT
Does anyone else find it odd that when you suggest that Corypheus is using the power of the orb to control the fake Archdemon, Solas, somewhat passionately, says "nothing in any lore connects my people to the Old God dragons who became Archdemons". He does say nothing in any lore, but given how much of elven lore is discovered to be wrong I wonder how much truth this has to it. Or if it another half truth by Solas. It sounds like he would dodge the truth on this issue, at that particular point in the game you probably either only had your first friendship/romance scene so he's probably still sticking with his plan pretty closely. And, with Corypheus whole immortality thing, where and when did he learn it? The knowledge was in the Well of Sorrows, but Corypheus has this ability with him ever since he was revived in DA2, presumably before he was imprisoned. Corypheus must have already placed a portion of his power within his dragon. I hope I'm not messing up continuity here. If the knowledge of how to become immortal is found both in the Well of Sorrows and by Corypheus and the other Magisters after they entered the Black City, I think its safe to say that the ancient elves had that knowledge too, or at least only the Evanuris had that knowledge too (the first of my people do not die so easily) and maybe hoarded it from the rest of the elves. No coincidence either that it only seems to work when you have the Blight. Also you have that banter Solas has with Cassandra on the fake Archdemon. I don't remember exactly what was said, but in general Cassandra wonders if the Archdemons are merely pets to beings that no longer exist. And Solas sort of laughs and says "I would not go as far as that." This is odd as well (but more so from a writer's perspective) to bring up this idea about the Archdemons being pets, and then dismiss it. I'm probably overthinking this part but eh. Potentially I think we're looking at Blighted Evanuris having invested a portion of their power in the Archdemons. Killing them gives that power back to the Evanuris, and they're waiting for the last Archdemons to die to break out of their prison in full force . It would also neatly explain why Mythal would want the Old God Soul, if its a portion of an Evanuris' power, she might try to keep it from them so they stay imprisoned, or use it herself to exact her vengeance, whatever that might entail. Anyways, theory-crafting over... Fellow Elder Scrolls fan! Anyway, the star puzzle things actually do make a connection between elven gods and tevinter old gods, so yes I'd say Solas was being a little sneaky sneak there. And like was said a while before, the way he responds to the Grey Warden's plan makes it sound like he knows more than a thing or two about the archdemons, he's supposed to be connected to them as well as the elven gods, which only makes sense to me if the archdemons and old gods were once elven gods, aka the forgotten ones.
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Post by CapricornSun on Sept 13, 2016 6:13:35 GMT
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