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Post by rowrow on Aug 31, 2016 19:03:53 GMT
I can't remember who is was, maybe it was our own Threadad, who said they think he's an INFP, which captures his introvertedness, his idealism and how painfully much he cares, despite having difficulty expressing it. A lot of people I've seen write him off as a "Chessmaster" INTJ-type, but I don't think he's written that way at all. I'm an INTJ for the most part, and while he can be aloof, he's never seemed capable of the sort of cold indifference I know myself to be capable of. He can fake it very well, but it's not the same thing, and ultimately comes leaking out of him in proclamations like "What we had was real!". This man is dripping with unexpressed emotion. I disagree. I think Solas is very aloof and cold by nature - but he's inwardly passionate, and that comes out when he's A ) Very angry or B ) Very close to the person he's with. Like, just look at his companion banter. All of his banters are like 30% snark, 50% mild curiosity/debate, 18% angry yelling, and then maybe 2% of miscellany. He hardly ever loses his cool, and when he does, it's almost always because someone made him mad. His most emotional banters are with Bull, and it's because he's arguing about the Qun. Another is with Blackwall, when he's condemning Blackwall (And then later forgiving him). Another's with Sera, when Sera trivializes his people. All of them are him getting mad at someone. And even then, anger isn't guaranteed, since his banters with Dorian and Vivienne are pretty calm even as he disagrees with them. I think the only companion he openly and consistently expresses something besides anger or mild emotion with is Cole. He seems so quick to open up to the Inquisitor because they're The Inquisitor. The world bends around them, as it does with all PCs.
Like, there's a difference between fake stoicism, and being naturally stoic around people until you get to them very, very well. I think Solas is more the latter.
...That being said, I've always felt like MBTI is overly-rigid labeling anyway. It's like the Hogwarts Houses in that regard. EDIT: I'm not saying he's INTP or whatever, because as I noted I don't really know or care about MBTI types. I just disagree with the idea that he's faking his stoicism. Well, 'stoicism' implies an attitude more than temperament, doesn't it? Or is that the word you mean? To me, the word says nothing at all about what one may be feeling, only how one acts. You can act ruthlessly and yet be anything but indifferent. I agree that Solas' emotional openness changes around different people, but his basic feeling/thinking approach to life doesn't. I myself think he falls close to the middle on the T-F spectrum. He's capable of being very cerebral, but also highly emotionally responsive to events. |
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 31, 2016 19:11:36 GMT
Solas is an idealist... But the problem is that the world is not ideal, and it will never be. No matter what, there's always going to be some kind of problem - what he did is just exchanging one for another, and he seems to be on the road to continue the cycle. An ideal is just that - a pretty picture in your head, and a one that tends to make you blind to what's really going on to boot. I believe that to change the world, we'll have to change the people first (or rather the people have to change by themselves). Anyway. In my mind, his "solution" would be to abandon that idea of an "ideal" world. Otherwise even if he finds a way to bring the Veil down non-lethally, it's only a matter of time before some other problem arises. Is anyone there into MBTI?https://www.16personalities.com/infp-personality I kind of wonder what Solas' type would be. He tries to behave like a Thinker, but he strikes me as more of a Feeler. I can't remember who is was, maybe it was our own Threadad, who said they think he's an INFP, which captures his introvertedness, his idealism and how painfully much he cares, despite having difficulty expressing it. A lot of people I've seen write him off as a "Chessmaster" INTJ-type, but I don't think he's written that way at all. I'm an INTJ for the most part, and while he can be aloof, he's never seemed capable of the sort of cold indifference I know myself to be capable of. He can fake it very well, but it's not the same thing, and ultimately comes leaking out of him in proclamations like "What we had was real!". This man is dripping with unexpressed emotion. There's nothing stopping a person to be a 'cold' rationalist and a person full of feelings - I know something about it, as I am such a person. And yes, while I have my reservations about Meyers-Briggs test, I always end up being INTP type  And no, I don't think Solas "fakes" his cold, calculating side - he simply has one that is tempered by his passionate side and vice versa and also one that comes at the front when he's guarded or has to operate under a lot of stress. In that regard he's like most scientists are - they're driven by passions and curiosity, but at the same time they've enough discipline and ability to look at things form the distance to detach himself form his biases and emotions. Critical thinking, yo. It is a thing that CAN be trained (or at the very least improved on) too. Speaking from personal experience here. |
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Post by ellawyn on Aug 31, 2016 19:15:28 GMT
I disagree. I think Solas is very aloof and cold by nature - but he's inwardly passionate, and that comes out when he's A) Very angry or  Very close to the person he's with. Like, just look at his companion banter. All of his banters are like 30% snark, 50% mild curiosity/debate, 18% angry yelling, and then maybe 2% of miscellany. He hardly ever loses his cool, and when he does, it's almost always because someone made him mad. His most emotional banters are with Bull, and it's because he's arguing about the Qun. Another is with Blackwall, when he's condemning Blackwall (And then later forgiving him). Another's with Sera, when Sera trivializes his people. All of them are him getting mad at someone. And even then, anger isn't guaranteed, since his banters with Dorian and Vivienne are pretty calm even as he disagrees with them. I think the only companion he openly and consistently expresses something besides anger or mild emotion with is Cole. He seems so quick to open up to the Inquisitor because they're The Inquisitor. The world bends around them, as it does with all PCs. Like, there's a difference between fake stoicism, and being naturally stoic around people until you get to them very, very well. I think Solas is more the latter. ...That being said, I've always felt like MBTI is overly-rigid labeling anyway. It's like the Hogwarts Houses in that regard. I have to disagree. I'm an INFP, but I can be pretty aloof for a lot of time. My family still thinks I'm the picture of Zen indifference. But that's because what I tend to do is hold my emotions within. If someone says something really hurtful, I listen with a pocker-face, maybe try to argue politely, then leave and cry somewhere where no one can see. Overall I'm very... stiff and official around people I'm not particularly close to. They think I'm calm; oh how they are mistaken... In the same vein, I rarely express my anger openly, but you can still see I'm angry by my behaviour. I was told my death glares could kill. But if I get angry, I get ANGRY, to the point of mindless fury (though it passes quickly). And one of the best ways to get me agitated is to step on something I believe in. I also tend to aggro at people who drag me out of my "dreamworld" or interrupt me doing something I enjoy. I'm also pretty snarky. Like, 50% of my problems with talking to people come from the fact that I'm being sarcastic and they take it seriously. tl:dr: INFPs aren't all sunshine and rainbows either. And while I do agree that any labeling is limiting and people of one type are still going to be pretty different, I still think INFP suits him. I edited this into the original post, but that wasn't meant to be an argument for or against any particular MBTI type. It was just me disagreeing with some of the reasoning. I disagree. I think Solas is very aloof and cold by nature - but he's inwardly passionate, and that comes out when he's A ) Very angry or B ) Very close to the person he's with. Like, just look at his companion banter. All of his banters are like 30% snark, 50% mild curiosity/debate, 18% angry yelling, and then maybe 2% of miscellany. He hardly ever loses his cool, and when he does, it's almost always because someone made him mad. His most emotional banters are with Bull, and it's because he's arguing about the Qun. Another is with Blackwall, when he's condemning Blackwall (And then later forgiving him). Another's with Sera, when Sera trivializes his people. All of them are him getting mad at someone. And even then, anger isn't guaranteed, since his banters with Dorian and Vivienne are pretty calm even as he disagrees with them. I think the only companion he openly and consistently expresses something besides anger or mild emotion with is Cole. He seems so quick to open up to the Inquisitor because they're The Inquisitor. The world bends around them, as it does with all PCs.
Like, there's a difference between fake stoicism, and being naturally stoic around people until you get to them very, very well. I think Solas is more the latter.
...That being said, I've always felt like MBTI is overly-rigid labeling anyway. It's like the Hogwarts Houses in that regard. EDIT: I'm not saying he's INTP or whatever, because as I noted I don't really know or care about MBTI types. I just disagree with the idea that he's faking his stoicism. Well, 'stoicism' implies an attitude more than temperament, doesn't it? Or is that the word you mean? To me, the word says nothing at all about what one may be feeling, only how one acts. You can act ruthlessly and yet be anything but indifferent. I agree that Solas' emotional openness changes around different people, but his basic feeling/thinking approach to life doesn't. I myself think he falls close to the middle on the T-F spectrum. He's capable of being very cerebral, but also highly emotionally responsive to events. I suppose I meant it more as attitude, but I'm not sure what difference you're drawing between that and temperament. I took the original comment to mean "Solas is actually really emotive and feelsy but he doesn't allow himself to be." while I see him more as "He isn't pretending at any anything, he just prefers to process his emotions internally." It's less about his actual feelings and more how he deals with people. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 19:24:36 GMT
I can't remember who is was, maybe it was our own Threadad, who said they think he's an INFP, which captures his introvertedness, his idealism and how painfully much he cares, despite having difficulty expressing it. A lot of people I've seen write him off as a "Chessmaster" INTJ-type, but I don't think he's written that way at all. I'm an INTJ for the most part, and while he can be aloof, he's never seemed capable of the sort of cold indifference I know myself to be capable of. He can fake it very well, but it's not the same thing, and ultimately comes leaking out of him in proclamations like "What we had was real!". This man is dripping with unexpressed emotion. I actually think he's an INFP too! Introvert is obvious. An Intuitive, because a lot of his problems stem from his inability to just live in the moment and enjoy it - also, his dreams, plans, and of course idealism. Feeler, because he pretty much acts on his emotions, as much as he tries to be logical. Also, if he was a Thinker, his plans wouldn't backfire that much and he probably wouldn't be so guilt-ridden over it... And Perceiver just because. I'm an INFP, and I think I can relate to him pretty well... Yes, exactly! His choice to pursue removing the Veil, despite knowing the harm it will do, is driven almost entirely by grief and guilt (barring another reason he has not shared yet *cough* plot). Perceiving is being more prone to improvisation and exploring alternate options, instead of the strict organization and commitment to a single plan Judging demands (I, for example get very upset if there is a deviation from my plans or unplanned events thrown into my schedule, where a P would find it exciting or interesting - think of how excited Solas was when you found him in his dream, or when you all accidentally end up in the Fade). The fact that at the end he is open to another better option, if a friendly Inquisitor can find one, reflects flexibility and leads me to believe he is a P. Solas is an idealist... But the problem is that the world is not ideal, and it will never be. No matter what, there's always going to be some kind of problem - what he did is just exchanging one for another, and he seems to be on the road to continue the cycle. An ideal is just that - a pretty picture in your head, and a one that tends to make you blind to what's really going on to boot. I believe that to change the world, we'll have to change the people first (or rather the people have to change by themselves). Anyway. In my mind, his "solution" would be to abandon that idea of an "ideal" world. Otherwise even if he finds a way to bring the Veil down non-lethally, it's only a matter of time before some other problem arises. Is anyone there into MBTI? I kind of wonder what Solas' type would be. He tries to behave like a Thinker, but he strikes me as more of a Feeler. I'm an INFP who tried really hard to be an INTP when I was younger All I can say is that when I try to go T, it messes me up. I'm really not an expert on the types but I actually think Solas is might be INFP/INTP. It could be his T/F scores are be pretty close. Or, as you say, he's an F trying to operate like a T. In the same way, I think he's very much a P, but tries to act like a J. What's that he says at one point? 'I have observed too much and acted too little,' or something like that. Edited to add: OK, so others think he's INFP too. It's not just me thinking that everyone I relate to is my own type I'm no expert either, but it's fun to try to pinpoint things about a person or a character's personality you might have in common. Sometimes it even gives clarity on why they took one action over another, and gives insight on what they might do next. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2016 19:26:00 GMT
There is a big difference between Solas who respects the Inquisitor and the Solas who hates their guts when it comes to displaying emotion. He can be very caustic and sarcastic with the latter. However, I think that is also when the Inquisitor is close minded and not willing to talk things through. The reason I like Solas so much during the main game is that whilst he could be critical of other people, he was also willing to listen to their point of view, provided they offered him the same respect. Also whilst initially he might be snarky, if it was clear they were genuinely making an effort to try and be friendly, then he would reciprocate. His exchanges with Dorian typify this. He starts of snarky because he doesn't like Dorian's attitude to spirits, which he sees as no different to his attitude to slaves, both of which Solas objects to. However, Dorian keeps trying and they find common ground in magic. Then they have their exchange where Dorian says he is sorry for what his ancestors did to Arlathan, Solas is pragmatic about the elven empire (later we know why) but then offers the challenge "If you really wish to make amends for past transgressions, free the slaves of all races who live in Tevinter today." When Dorian expresses his inability to be able to do that, Solas responds "Then how sorry are you?"
This is what I loved about him. Some people said that disliked him being preachy but I didn't see it that way. He was making people question their ideas and motivations. What annoyed me was then getting to Trespasser and discovering that the whole time he was planning on destroying the world once he got his orb back. That annoyed me because what was the point of challenging people to take positive action to makes things better if it was all going to amount to nothing in the end? Which is why I am still hopeful that if you did manage to free all the slaves in Tevinter it might actually make a difference to him. May be he set Dorian what seemed such an impossible task because he thought no one would even attempt it (the only person who did having wound up burned) so he can rest assured that the world as a whole is a worse place than the one he destroyed.
After all he does say that if you choose a certain dialogue option when he asks what you are going to do with the Well. "What if you wake up one day and find the world worse than it was before?" His disenchantment with the current world and desire to put things back to what they were before is a combination of factors that together makes him feel his plan is justified. Chip away at that impression and it might weaken his resolve. After all, he already came close to abandoning it through his love of Lavellan, and even a friend Lavellan (or other friendly Inquisitor) has made him question his perception of modern people. He just needs to see that his past action wasn't a terrible mistake but there is hope in the modern world.
I also wouldn't be led astray but Solas' apparently calm exterior. He is a very passionate person and cares deeply. He admits that in his youth he was hot bloodied and cocky. Over the years he has calmed his outward appearance, tried learn humility or at least show this face to others and acquire wisdom but he still deeply cares about everything. I like to think it is symbolically significant that he lost his friend wisdom during the game so now he only has his friend "purpose" to look to for support. It is probably why he is so driven. He needs to find wisdom again. |
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Post by Amburu on Aug 31, 2016 19:28:09 GMT
I'm INFP-ISFP, why am I not surprised people think he'd be similar LOL, things just keep making so much sense Very interesting conversations in the fort as always ![=]](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/yNrAXjkTcPPBLrsOOiCC.png) ! gervaise21 "The reason I like Solas so much during the main game is that whilst he could be critical of other people, he was also willing to listen to their point of view, provided they offered him the same respect. " Meh, some of his lines in the early game don't really display this respect. I was actually a bit shocked when I bumped into them in newgame. It eventually gets better but hheeehh so nasty |
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Post by rowrow on Aug 31, 2016 19:28:20 GMT
I disagree. I think Solas is very aloof and cold by nature - but he's inwardly passionate, and that comes out when he's A) Very angry or Very close to the person he's with. Like, just look at his companion banter. All of his banters are like 30% snark, 50% mild curiosity/debate, 18% angry yelling, and then maybe 2% of miscellany. He hardly ever loses his cool, and when he does, it's almost always because someone made him mad. His most emotional banters are with Bull, and it's because he's arguing about the Qun. Another is with Blackwall, when he's condemning Blackwall (And then later forgiving him). Another's with Sera, when Sera trivializes his people. All of them are him getting mad at someone. And even then, anger isn't guaranteed, since his banters with Dorian and Vivienne are pretty calm even as he disagrees with them. I think the only companion he openly and consistently expresses something besides anger or mild emotion with is Cole. He seems so quick to open up to the Inquisitor because they're The Inquisitor. The world bends around them, as it does with all PCs. Like, there's a difference between fake stoicism, and being naturally stoic around people until you get to them very, very well. I think Solas is more the latter. ...That being said, I've always felt like MBTI is overly-rigid labeling anyway. It's like the Hogwarts Houses in that regard. I have to disagree. I'm an INFP, but I can be pretty aloof for a lot of time. My family still thinks I'm the picture of Zen indifference. But that's because what I tend to do is hold my emotions within. If someone says something really hurtful, I listen with a pocker-face, maybe try to argue politely, then leave and cry somewhere where no one can see. Overall I'm very... stiff and official around people I'm not particularly close to. They think I'm calm; oh how they are mistaken... In the same vein, I rarely express my anger openly, but you can still see I'm angry by my behaviour. I was told my death glares could kill. But if I get angry, I get ANGRY, to the point of mindless fury (though it passes quickly). And one of the best ways to get me agitated is to step on something I believe in. I also tend to aggro at people who drag me out of my "dreamworld" or interrupt me doing something I enjoy. I'm also pretty snarky. Like, 50% of my problems with talking to people come from the fact that I'm being sarcastic and they take it seriously. tl:dr: INFPs aren't all sunshine and rainbows either. And while I do agree that any labeling is limiting and people of one type are still going to be pretty different, I still think INFP suits him. *Nods* All sounds very familiar, and also it brings up a point I touched on above. Your 'type' doesn't dictate your personality. People with the same type can behave very differently. A personality can change over many years. What you describe above sounds very familiar to me, and though I've learned to express it differently, a lot of that was conscious choice, and my basic 'approach' to life, or how I experience/process the world, is still very much INFP. Also, anyone thinks INFPs are sunshine and rainbows is off their rocker. We may get called 'nice' a lot. But our minds are not nice places full of puppies |
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Post by Garnet on Aug 31, 2016 19:30:29 GMT
I took the personality test "as Solas" and it gave me the ISTJ Personality. I'm sure other people would take the test differently and get a completely different result though. Mine are probably all wrong.  "ISTJs don't make many assumptions, preferring instead to analyze their surroundings, check their facts and arrive at practical courses of action." "When ISTJs say they are going to get something done, they do it, meeting their obligations no matter the personal cost, and they are baffled by people who don't hold their own word in the same respect." "TJs have sharp, fact-based minds, and prefer autonomy and self-sufficiency to reliance on someone or something." "ISTJs tend to keep their opinions to themselves and let the facts do the talking, but it can be a long time before observable evidence tells the whole story." This all sounds like Solas to me. Maybe he's an odd mix of personality types though. He is surprising in a lot of ways and I'm sure we don't know everything about him yet. I'm hesitant to think he's an INFP because that's also my personality type. I'm a social wreck and Solas can handle himself in social situations just fine. |
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Post by Amburu on Aug 31, 2016 19:31:47 GMT
I took the personality test "as Solas" and it gave me the ISTJ personality. I'm sure other people would I get 2 different results depending on the test and the period of my life, there aren't only 16 types of people out there, that's certain, don't worry about it too much |
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Post by Garnet on Aug 31, 2016 19:34:54 GMT
I took the personality test "as Solas" and it gave me the ISTJ personality. I'm sure other people would I get 2 different results depending on the test and the period of my life, there aren't only 16 types of people out there, that's certain, don't worry about it too much I meant I took the test giving answers that I thought he would give. I've taken that particular one several times as myself and have always gotten the same result. |
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Post by LliiraAnna on Aug 31, 2016 19:35:19 GMT
I have to disagree. I'm an INFP, but I can be pretty aloof for a lot of time. My family still thinks I'm the picture of Zen indifference. But that's because what I tend to do is hold my emotions within. If someone says something really hurtful, I listen with a pocker-face, maybe try to argue politely, then leave and cry somewhere where no one can see. Overall I'm very... stiff and official around people I'm not particularly close to. They think I'm calm; oh how they are mistaken... In the same vein, I rarely express my anger openly, but you can still see I'm angry by my behaviour. I was told my death glares could kill. But if I get angry, I get ANGRY, to the point of mindless fury (though it passes quickly). And one of the best ways to get me agitated is to step on something I believe in. I also tend to aggro at people who drag me out of my "dreamworld" or interrupt me doing something I enjoy. I'm also pretty snarky. Like, 50% of my problems with talking to people come from the fact that I'm being sarcastic and they take it seriously. tl:dr: INFPs aren't all sunshine and rainbows either. And while I do agree that any labeling is limiting and people of one type are still going to be pretty different, I still think INFP suits him. *Nods* All sounds very familiar, and also it brings up a point I touched on above. Your 'type' doesn't dictate your personality. People with the same type can behave very differently. A personality can change over many years. What you describe above sounds very familiar to me, and though I've learned to express it differently, a lot of that was conscious choice, and my basic 'approach' to life, or how I experience/process the world, is still very much INFP. Also, anyone thinks INFPs are sunshine and rainbows is off their rocker. We may get called 'nice' a lot. But our minds are not nice places full of puppies Oh, there are puppies alright... along with bloodshed, epic fights, 18+ scenes, great heartwarming and dramatic moments... ... You know what, how do I move into my dreams? |
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Post by rowrow on Aug 31, 2016 19:39:02 GMT
Well, 'stoicism' implies an attitude more than temperament, doesn't it? Or is that the word you mean? To me, the word says nothing at all about what one may be feeling, only how one acts. You can act ruthlessly and yet be anything but indifferent. I agree that Solas' emotional openness changes around different people, but his basic feeling/thinking approach to life doesn't. I myself think he falls close to the middle on the T-F spectrum. He's capable of being very cerebral, but also highly emotionally responsive to events. I suppose I meant it more as attitude, but I'm not sure what difference you're drawing between that and temperament. I took the original comment to mean "Solas is actually really emotive and feelsy but he doesn't allow himself to be." while I see him more as "He isn't pretending at any anything, he just prefers to process his emotions internally." It's less about his actual feelings and more how he deals with people. OK, I get that you were drawing a distinction between his feelings/instincts and how he behaves with people. To me, an attitude is how you present or deliberately approach something. Temperament is more how you process the world/events on an internal level, and your instinctual approach to life. Which can be overidden by attitude. MBTI as I understand it deals with temperament, and as far as that goes I do think he's more feeling than thinking, but possibly not by very much. |
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Post by rowrow on Aug 31, 2016 19:44:37 GMT
*Nods* All sounds very familiar, and also it brings up a point I touched on above. Your 'type' doesn't dictate your personality. People with the same type can behave very differently. A personality can change over many years. What you describe above sounds very familiar to me, and though I've learned to express it differently, a lot of that was conscious choice, and my basic 'approach' to life, or how I experience/process the world, is still very much INFP. Also, anyone thinks INFPs are sunshine and rainbows is off their rocker. We may get called 'nice' a lot. But our minds are not nice places full of puppies Oh, there are puppies alright... along with bloodshed, epic fights, 18+ scenes, great heartwarming and dramatic moments... ... You know what, how do I move into my dreams? I'm sure Solas would approve. |
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I can't remember who is was, maybe it was our own Threadad, who said they think he's an INFP, which captures his introvertedness, his idealism and how painfully much he cares, despite having difficulty expressing it. A lot of people I've seen write him off as a "Chessmaster" INTJ-type, but I don't think he's written that way at all. I'm an INTJ for the most part, and while he can be aloof, he's never seemed capable of the sort of cold indifference I know myself to be capable of. He can fake it very well, but it's not the same thing, and ultimately comes leaking out of him in proclamations like "What we had was real!". This man is dripping with unexpressed emotion. There's nothing stopping a person to be a 'cold' rationalist and a person full of feelings - I know something about it, as I am such a person. And yes, while I have my reservations about Meyers-Briggs test, I always end up being INTP type And no, I don't think Solas "fakes" his cold, calculating side - he simply has one that is tempered by his passionate side and vice versa and also one that comes at the front when he's guarded or has to operate under a lot of stress. In that regard he's like most scientists are - they're driven by passions and curiosity, but at the same time they've enough discipline and ability to look at things form the distance to detach himself form his biases and emotions. Critical thinking, yo. It is a thing that CAN be trained (or at the very least improved on) too. Speaking from personal experience here. I had a long response for this, but my computer ate it, so I'm just going to say that I disagree, and believe that everything Solas does has a strong emotion and motivation attached to it regardless of his outer facade, and leave it at that.  |
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Post by Amburu on Aug 31, 2016 21:52:00 GMT
Hello i bought fancy gold and silver sparkly paint because it reminded me of the leaves on the ermit solas card and i was supposed to do a little something and i ended up spending the WHOLE DAY on it OMGmlkerhglsz. Chinese ink and even watercolors came throught, this is ridiculous. I'm glad the scan managed to keep a bit of the sparkly effect !  |
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Post by Theneras on Aug 31, 2016 22:02:46 GMT
I'm jumping in to make a plug for Solas being INFP. If I put in true store in the personality tests the one that fits me best is INFP. I am one of the most logical and rational people when it comes to many things, but I'm also a very passionate and emotional person. I can be the biggest anal retentive ass when I get stuck on an idea, or on small details. I'm also very standoffish, which makes me look cold and calculating until I feel comfortable around people, but that's the introvert in me. It's not my true personality. I can take a lot of pushing before I snap, and when I snap, most people look at me in shock because they had no idea I was nearing the end of my rope. I'm good at hiding what I'm really thinking. With my family I've had to be, but it doesn't mean I'm unfeeling or unemotional. I simply only show it where I'm comfortable, or with people I think I can trust.
Solas is not a cold and closed off person by nature. His stoic expression and stern demeanor are a wall he puts up to keep people out. There are too many moments in the game where he approves of helping people with the stupidest of things for him to look at the world through logic only. He is passionate about the mistakes the Dalish has made, why else would he complain about it so often? Most people argue over things they care about and ignore things they don't. He's passionate about not killing the Old Gods, he is passionate about spirits and freedom for people, hates oppression of any kind. If he were more logical, he wouldn't be so against things that 'suppress' the true nature of people. The Qun offends him because it strips everyone of any original thought. The man is a rebel, he's THE rebel. He considers himself a healer, and feels it's his responsibility to 'fix' everything. If he were more of a thinker, I doubt he would take issue with the current Thedas regarding the way it feels. Walking through a world of tranquil wouldn't bother someone who was closed off and unemotional.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 31, 2016 22:03:47 GMT
Is anyone there into MBTI? I kind of wonder what Solas' type would be. He tries to behave like a Thinker, but he strikes me as more of a Feeler. I know little about MBTI. Labeling and categorizing people isn't my favorite thing to do; however, I think you are on the money with describing Solas as a feeler trying to be a thinker. Solas wants to be Wisdom but instead he is Pride which, even by his own admission, is an emotion. Failing to recognize an illogical emotional response for what it is seems a recipe for all kinds of trouble. Solas's name is literally "Pride" and whether he had a different name before that we know now that it was one that came long before Fen'Harel. I don't think there's anything there that can hint on him not acknowledging his pride, nor I really see him "wanting to be Wisdom" and denying his pride or something (LG ain't canon...) - he wants to "give wisdom instead of orders" which is not the same. Also - I don't think it's as simple as "unacknowledged emotion". Pride is an emotion - Wisdom is not. Plus, Pride IS part of Wisdom. The two are a side of the same coin, at least in Thedas. If anything I think Solas has a different problem - he can't see himself being anything other than something negative, hence he has little hope for himself and considers him deserving of terrible punishment for his actions and hence why he's grim and fatalistic. |
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 31, 2016 22:07:28 GMT
I'm jumping in to make a plug for Solas being INFP. If I put in true store in the personality tests the one that fits me best is INFP. I am one of the most logical and rational people when it comes to many things, but I'm also a very passionate and emotional person. I can be the biggest anal retentive ass when I get stuck on an idea, or on small details. I'm also very standoffish, which makes me look cold and calculating until I feel comfortable around people, but that's the introvert in me. It's not my true personality. I can take a lot of pushing before I snap, and when I snap, most people look at me in shock because they had no idea I was nearing the end of my rope. I'm good at hiding what I'm really thinking. With my family I've had to be, but it doesn't mean I'm unfeeling or unemotional. I simply only show it where I'm comfortable, or with people I think I can trust. See, this is exactly why MBTI tests are to be taken with a grain of salt. Everything you wrote kinda fits me. And I test exclusively as INTP. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 22:14:51 GMT
I'm jumping in to make a plug for Solas being INFP. If I put in true store in the personality tests the one that fits me best is INFP. I am one of the most logical and rational people when it comes to many things, but I'm also a very passionate and emotional person. I can be the biggest anal retentive ass when I get stuck on an idea, or on small details. I'm also very standoffish, which makes me look cold and calculating until I feel comfortable around people, but that's the introvert in me. It's not my true personality. I can take a lot of pushing before I snap, and when I snap, most people look at me in shock because they had no idea I was nearing the end of my rope. I'm good at hiding what I'm really thinking. With my family I've had to be, but it doesn't mean I'm unfeeling or unemotional. I simply only show it where I'm comfortable, or with people I think I can trust. See, this is exactly why MBTI tests are to be taken with a grain of salt. Everything you wrote kinda fits me. And I test exclusively as INTP. Trust me, the two of you come off very differently in personality. |
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Post by Theneras on Aug 31, 2016 22:15:30 GMT
midnight teaThe differences between Thinkers and Feelers aren't always big differences. If I was more of a thinker than a feeler, I wouldn't approve of wasting time finding a stolen wedding ring, or taking flowers to a grave for an old man. I would let the other healers help the fallen refugee at the crossroads when you first fight the Templars and Mages. Or feeding people by hunting rams, or finding caches of supplies. The resources of the Inquisition could be used more efficiently than sending the Herald out to do all these things. All of these things gain his approval. So to me I see a more feeling personality, than a thinker.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Aug 31, 2016 22:22:23 GMT
Myers-Briggs test is very fun, but the science behind it is to my understanding pretty flawed. I think as far as tests go the Five Factor Personality test is preferable; my guess is that Solas would score high in Introversion, Openness and Conscientiousness while scoring somewhere in middle to lower on Agreeableness and Neuroticism. On the M-B tests I personally usually end up as a ISFJ (aka the doormat), but I take this result with a grain of salt... although I have to admit I do have a tendency to let people walk over me.  |
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Post by Garnet on Aug 31, 2016 22:26:51 GMT
midnight tea The differences between Thinkers and Feelers aren't always big differences. If I was more of a thinker than a feeler, I wouldn't approve of wasting time finding a stolen wedding ring, or taking flowers to a grave for an old man. I would let the other healers help the fallen refugee at the crossroads when you first fight the Templars and Mages. Or feeding people by hunting rams, or finding caches of supplies. The resources of the Inquisition could be used more efficiently than sending the Herald out to do all these things. All of these things gain his approval. So to me I see a more feeling personality, than a thinker. That's the thing, Solas is both. He feels strongly about things and then he thinks way too hard about them. edit: QuizzyBunny that is an adorable pole-dancing bunny in your sig. XD |
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Post by ellawyn on Aug 31, 2016 22:30:18 GMT
I took the personality test "as Solas" and it gave me the ISTJ Personality. I'm sure other people would take the test differently and get a completely different result though. Mine are probably all wrong. "ISTJs don't make many assumptions, preferring instead to analyze their surroundings, check their facts and arrive at practical courses of action." "When ISTJs say they are going to get something done, they do it, meeting their obligations no matter the personal cost, and they are baffled by people who don't hold their own word in the same respect." "TJs have sharp, fact-based minds, and prefer autonomy and self-sufficiency to reliance on someone or something." "ISTJs tend to keep their opinions to themselves and let the facts do the talking, but it can be a long time before observable evidence tells the whole story." This all sounds like Solas to me. Maybe he's an odd mix of personality types though. He is surprising in a lot of ways and I'm sure we don't know everything about him yet. I'm hesitant to think he's an INFP because that's also my personality type. I'm a social wreck and Solas can handle himself in social situations just fine. And see, that's why I put zero stock in MBTI. It's like all personality tests - vague enough to apply to nearly anyone who tries. Decking it up in an outfit of pseudo-psychology doesn't change that. He's an elf who knows elfy stuff so he's an agent of Solas, obvs. I've heard the same theory on Minaeve, as well as several unnamed background NPCs who happened to be elven. It's funny, given how I've seen people go "Solas' plan is just going to make things worse for the elves because everyone's going to think they're trying to bring about the end of the world" only to turn around and go "Look there's an elf I bet they're helping Solas bring about the end of the world." On the subject of trustworthiness - my Lavellan totally trusts Cassandra, more than Dorian or Varric to be sure. I feel like Cass' idea of duplicity would be as subtle as a sword to the face. That's probably literally what it is - she just sticks a sword in your face. Doesn't seem like the type to mess around with lies and betrayals, Cassandra. Cillian, Minaeve, and the "unnamed elven bookkeeper" are all highly suspicious...especially Cillian given his shiny pants. From the wiki: I wouldn't be surprised at all if he chanced across some of Solas' followers in those ruins. Since he can't read ancient Elvhen and there is no mention of his being a dreamer, that seems the most reasonable explanation for his learning the ways of the arcane warrior from rubble in the woods. Cillian would be a fun companion in the next game, even if he might be a double agent. But... WE learned Arcane Warrior stuff from rubble in the woods. I don't think my Cousland happened to read and speak Ancient Elvhen and had a whole training montage with that jewel off screen. I'm jumping in to make a plug for Solas being INFP. If I put in true store in the personality tests the one that fits me best is INFP. I am one of the most logical and rational people when it comes to many things, but I'm also a very passionate and emotional person. I can be the biggest anal retentive ass when I get stuck on an idea, or on small details. I'm also very standoffish, which makes me look cold and calculating until I feel comfortable around people, but that's the introvert in me. It's not my true personality. I can take a lot of pushing before I snap, and when I snap, most people look at me in shock because they had no idea I was nearing the end of my rope. I'm good at hiding what I'm really thinking. With my family I've had to be, but it doesn't mean I'm unfeeling or unemotional. I simply only show it where I'm comfortable, or with people I think I can trust. Solas is not a cold and closed off person by nature. His stoic expression and stern demeanor are a wall he puts up to keep people out. There are too many moments in the game where he approves of helping people with the stupidest of things for him to look at the world through logic only. He is passionate about the mistakes the Dalish has made, why else would he complain about it so often? Most people argue over things they care about and ignore things they don't. He's passionate about not killing the Old Gods, he is passionate about spirits and freedom for people, hates oppression of any kind. If he were more logical, he wouldn't be so against things that 'suppress' the true nature of people. The Qun offends him because it strips everyone of any original thought. The man is a rebel, he's THE rebel. He considers himself a healer, and feels it's his responsibility to 'fix' everything. If he were more of a thinker, I doubt he would take issue with the current Thedas regarding the way it feels. Walking through a world of tranquil wouldn't bother someone who was closed off and unemotional. Closed-off and unfeeling are too different things. Preferring to be alone - to deal with things and process things by yourself - is not the same as not feeling anything to begin with. It's just harder for other people to pick up on it, because by definition you're reluctant to include them in your emotional processing. He can approve of kindness and empathy while still being 100% sincere in his "stoic expression and stern demeanor." Being social and wearing your heart on your sleeve is not a prerequisite to being a kind and empathetic person. Honestly, I really wish we as a society would ditch the idea that everyone wants to be social, and anyone who isn't is either broken or faking it. |
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Very close to the person he's with. Like, just look at his companion banter. All of his banters are like 30% snark, 50% mild curiosity/debate, 18% angry yelling, and then maybe 2% of miscellany. He hardly ever loses his cool, and when he does, it's almost always because someone made him mad. His most emotional banters are with Bull, and it's because he's arguing about the Qun. Another is with Blackwall, when he's condemning Blackwall (And then later forgiving him). Another's with Sera, when Sera trivializes his people. All of them are him getting mad at someone. And even then, anger isn't guaranteed, since his banters with Dorian and Vivienne are pretty calm even as he disagrees with them.
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