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Post by Julilla on Jan 24, 2018 23:26:32 GMT
I wouldn't mind something like the AC: Origins "live" stuff. It's pretty easy to ignore, but it does add a dynamism if you want to do the daily quest or avenge another player's death. I would honestly pay a lot more than 60 for a DA game. I would be happy to support BW and their craft with my money, and I realize that the way games are made are no longer feasible at 60 dollar price point anymore. Especially not for games like DA which contain quite a bit of customization and varying pathways. It just kills me when I see people say things against raising the price as if it's unreasonable. They want all the customization, they want multiple paths and outcomes with unique stories to each, and yet they don't want to pay.
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Post by natetrace on Jan 24, 2018 23:28:54 GMT
Anyone else think upper management at EA is rather...incompetent? that is my expert theory. They've lost touch maaaan!!
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 24, 2018 23:37:16 GMT
Reboot?!? Like Andromeda rebooted Mass Effect, yes?! We all know how that worked out! There goes my last shred of hope for DA4... Seriously, this is deeply troubling on so many levels even when we don't know what it all means or if it's even true. My biggest concern until today's "news" was that if Anthem fails, Bioware will be shut down and DA never concluded. But now I read this reboot nonsense on top of live service bullshit? How badly can EA rape Bioware's corpse before it gets released for burial?! I want CONCLUSION to the bazillion open mysteries of this franchise, not a fucking reboot; See they insane now?? This better all be a misunderstanding... Well I do think it's a misunderstanding to think of the 'reboot' like 'MEA did to Mass Effect'. I mean... this comparison don't work if you think about it for a second. MEA was a work of a side studio and the story line there was relatively separate from the old one, because the old one has concluded...
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 24, 2018 23:44:29 GMT
Reboot?!? Like Andromeda rebooted Mass Effect, yes?! We all know how that worked out! There goes my last shred of hope for DA4... Seriously, this is deeply troubling on so many levels even when we don't know what it all means or if it's even true. My biggest concern until today's "news" was that if Anthem fails, Bioware will be shut down and DA never concluded. But now I read this reboot nonsense on top of live service bullshit? How badly can EA rape Bioware's corpse before it gets released for burial?! I want CONCLUSION to the bazillion open mysteries of this franchise, not a fucking reboot; See they insane now?? This better all be a misunderstanding... No, reboot here means they changed some part of the new DA’s design. What that means is ambiguous, but it doesn’t seem like the series is getting rebooted or anything.
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Post by isaidlunch on Jan 24, 2018 23:55:18 GMT
This isn't surprising at all, especially when CDPR is adding "seamless multiplayer" to their next game.
What surprises me is that the game was rebooted in the last year and Mike Laidlaw left. And it's already been three years since DAI... it smells like MEA all over again.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 25, 2018 0:01:30 GMT
On the bright side, the developers seem to feel pretty good about Anthem according to the article.
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Post by Reznore on Jan 25, 2018 0:26:51 GMT
Dragon Age : The Eternal Ongoing Reboot.
I guess they are trying to reinvent the wheel again,we shall see how everything turns out. I can't say I have my hopes up... They did DA2 taking cues from Mass Effect, then backpedaled, then DAI inspired vaguely by Skyrim with large zones, then they backpedaled with Trespasser. And now the Reboot again.
I think I've read Mark Darrah saying companions fighting will be different this time ? I feel like the party based gameplay might go out the door.
Also why the hell is Mark Darrah working on Anthem ? This + reboot sounds like DA4 is in some freezer somewhere.
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Post by theblackadder13 on Jan 25, 2018 0:41:48 GMT
Don't have much more to add here beyond what's been said already but I just have to add for my own carthartic reasons: I'm sick and tired of EA treating Dragon Age like the god damn red headed step child. Never mind that DA:I was GOTY and performed very well for EA. DA games still always took the backseat to Mass Effect throughout both triologies' history and now it's taking the backseat to Anthem, a brand new, untested IP with no fanbase that's radically different from anything Bioware's done before that's even leeching DA staff. Fuck Anthem.
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Post by shaqfu on Jan 25, 2018 0:41:56 GMT
If it's simply an easier way for them to work in their multiplayer elements great, fine whatever. What i don't wanna see is loot crate shops for single player. Or messages each time I play to buy the Grey Warden armor pack for only 5000 thedas diamonds etc..
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 25, 2018 0:42:50 GMT
I want CONCLUSION to the bazillion open mysteries of this franchise, not a fucking reboot; Maybe people who wanted to see more about the Hero of Ferelden got their way by lobbying EA? ok, I'm not helping, am I...
This isn't surprising at all, especially when CDPR is adding "seamless multiplayer" to their next game. But that will be a virtuous live service and so will be fine (apparently)...
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Post by Addictress on Jan 25, 2018 0:54:40 GMT
The only time I ever want to connect to the Internet to play a single-player game is to register it, and even then that's only out of necessity.
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Post by Addictress on Jan 25, 2018 1:01:16 GMT
Just an FYI, we (Bioware) don't really comment on any unconfirmed information so that is why you won't see much clarification about things like this with any amount of haste. Honestly, most designers wish they could speak more candidly about things because they're usually quite excited about their work but due to the tumultuous nature of gamedev it's just too unstable until you get much closer to launch and things are confirmed for realsies (because you have no time to change them). And, as a reminder, I read most threads here on a pretty regular basis and am cognizant of your feedback whenever working on features or pitches for... whatever it is I'm working on. Ooh oohh!!! 1. Something about the Inquisition UI felt a bit too much like an MMO. Can you watch out for that when you get together with the review team next time? 2. I know I already posted this on Twitter but can you make sure to encourage a Solavellan fade sex scene? There are multiple ways to incorporate the Solavellan sex scene. It could be in the fade. In a flash back. Or a fade flashback. 3. No MMO Thanks
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 25, 2018 1:23:31 GMT
Holy moly.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jan 25, 2018 1:26:03 GMT
As I said in the twitter thread - Given that the Sims 4, an entirely single player game, counts as 'live service' just for having expansions and updates - I'm not going to worry about DA4 being 'live service' until I find out what kind it's going to have. The term seems to apply to so many disparate things.
And I'm not concerned about some part of the development being rebooted as games seem to go through constant changes whilst being developed as they figure out what does and does not work, what is/ is not fun, whats possible etc. Possibly this is indicative of them actually stating to build things now, not just planning anymore.
I mean these things could mean something bad, but they also could not, there's no detail given to indicate either way so I don't see a point in worrying till we actally get concrete information.
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 25, 2018 1:28:42 GMT
Setting aside what these potential "live service" elements might entail, I wonder what impact this heavy development focus on Anthem (and release date potentially pushed to March 2019) will have on DA4's release date. I had assumed 2020, but I now starting to wonder if that's still a realistic expectation. Especially if this "reboot" constituted a significant amount of extra work to accomodate.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jan 25, 2018 1:36:01 GMT
I had assumed 2020, but I now starting to wonder if that's still a realistic expectation. Especially if this "reboot" constituted a significant amount of extra work to accomodate. I don't even believe the article has any legitimate sources, and I've been expecting "no DA4 before 2021, maybe later" anyway. Just seems to fit their release schedule. ME3 was 2012. DA3 was 2014. MEA was 2017. Anthem in 2019. So 2021-2022 just seems like what should be the natural progression.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Jan 25, 2018 1:58:16 GMT
I had assumed 2020, but I now starting to wonder if that's still a realistic expectation. Especially if this "reboot" constituted a significant amount of extra work to accomodate. I don't even believe the article has any legitimate sources, and I've been expecting "no DA4 before 2021, maybe later" anyway. Just seems to fit their release schedule. ME3 was 2012. DA3 was 2014. MEA was 2017. Anthem in 2019. So 2021-2022 just seems like what should be the natural progression. There is nothing natural about having to wait 7 or 8 years to finish the story started in DAI. :smh: That's a long dang time between games.
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Post by Lazarillo on Jan 25, 2018 2:09:27 GMT
There is nothing natural about having to wait 7 or 8 years to finish the story started in DAI. :smh: For what it's worth? I don't disagree. But that's a flaw with DAI and its storytelling, not with the release schedule in and of itself, per se. Hopefully, the developers take that lesson to heart.
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Post by Frost on Jan 25, 2018 2:40:10 GMT
I want massive single player RPGs in the spirit of Baldur's Gate, KOTOR, and DAO. I want a whole and complete game out of the box. I want to be able to play said games (and any associated expansions/DLC) without an Internet connection. I do not want advertisements for the latest "challenge" or loot box, or leaderboard score ANYWHERE. I do not want any form of player intrusion in my games. Video game playing is IAKUS TIME. If I want to role play with a group, I do tabletop. Not desktop. I am not interested in sparring, trading, avenging, raiding, teaming up, chatting with, or even seeing, another player. I think those ships have sailed... (outside of a few other studios where such games are dwindling in number and mostly disappointing financially) They have not sailed YET...
Remember when everything had to be an mmo? Now everything has to be a live service. Just because EA would like to sell people only loot boxes and other microtransactions doesn't mean people have to buy them. Dragon Age does NOT need a reboot, live service, loot boxes, or other microtransactions.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 25, 2018 2:46:59 GMT
I’ve seen some people wailing in dismay about the author of the article saying development of DA4 has been ‘rebooted.’ Most people are confusing that with a continuity reboot, ie. Marvel and Sony rebooting Spider-Man after the second Amazing Spider-Man turned out to be a real stinkamaroo.
I think in this case, saying development has “rebooted” means they started up again in earnest, but now with some new goals in mind (adding live service elements to DA4).
Obviously everyone assumes this means DA4 will be Lootboxed to hell and back like SW: Battlefront or Shadow of War or Destiny 2 or ... well, virtually any other AAA game that was released in 2017.
But it occurred to me that it could also mean BioWare is jumping on an entirely different bandwagon and adding, say, a Battle Royale mode to DA4.
Also, wasn’t DAI technically a live service game for its multiplayer content?
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Post by lilyenachaos on Jan 25, 2018 3:11:18 GMT
I’ve seen some histrionics online about the author of the article saying development of DA4 has been ‘rebooted.’ Most people are confusing that with a continuity reboot, ie. Marvel and Sony rebooting Spider-Man after the second Amazing Spider-Man turned out to be a real stinkamaroo. I think in this case, saying development has “rebooted” means they started up again in earnest, but now with some new goals in mind (adding live service elements to DA4). Obviously everyone assumes this means DA4 will be Lootboxed to hell and back like SW: Battlefront or Shadow of War or Destiny 2 or ... well, virtually any other AAA game that was released in 2017. But it occurred to me that it could also mean BioWare is jumping on an entirely different bandwagon and adding, say, a Battle Royale mode to DA4. Also, wasn’t DAI technically a live service game for its multiplayer content? Or things like being able to upload our characters to share them. I like that aspect of MEA.
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Post by midnight tea on Jan 25, 2018 3:33:44 GMT
Or things like being able to upload our characters to share them. I like that aspect of MEA. Messages from other players, like in Dark Souls, could be fun.
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Post by Addictress on Jan 25, 2018 3:45:40 GMT
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 25, 2018 3:57:43 GMT
Dragon Age does NOT need a reboot, live service, loot boxes, or other microtransactions. Granted, there are a small number of studios that buck that trend, but from BioWare you have to go back to Dragon Age II (2011) for a game without such live services. That model of game development, for BioWare at least, is long gone. The question it leaves open is whether that live service model is implemented well or poorly in Dragon Age "4".
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Post by Hrungr on Jan 25, 2018 3:58:43 GMT
Jason clarified the "reboot" comment (a little) over on Twitter... I'll add it to the OP.
@kreflkmmer Thanks Jason, I'm always down for more Dragon Age news. Would you be able to elaborate on what you meant by "reboot"? I took it as the team getting back to work and continue from Inquisition, but it seems like most took it as "scrap where we left off and start from scratch".
Jason Schreier @jasonschreier I don't think it was *that* drastic but it was a directional reboot to add more live service elements to the game.
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