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Post by mousestalker on Jan 26, 2018 17:32:06 GMT
How many times was Dragon Age: Origins delayed? It isn't whether the game is delayed that's important. Delaying the game can very much be a good thing. It's why.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 26, 2018 17:34:16 GMT
EDIT: SofaJockey I get your point about yongyea sometimes being biased when titling his Youtube vids but I still think they are great for a quick overview of the current state of the gaming world. If one wants a more nuanced/detailed perspective, he also specifies his references (he often uses kotaku). My views on YongYea are complicated. I really enjoyed his content back in the 'Metal Gear' days of his channel. Then between around 6 month's ago and the end of last year he did many more lootbox videos which grew his channel significantly. However, he did sometimes make leaps such as giving Anthem a hard time for Pay2Win mechanics off the back of the EA 'difficulty patent' when we don't even know if Anthem will have PvP and in and event BioWare advised those mechanics were not there. So yes, the core concerns, BFII, Shadow of War etc were quite correct, but then Yong's pessimism would run away with itself declaring everything to be shit. In fairness, I've seen Yong pull back from that approach this last month and be more detailed and indeed more nuanced.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jan 26, 2018 17:37:32 GMT
I take this as a cue to go play both ME MPs for a while, since I was saving the grinding zeal for Anthem. If it is a year from now, I am gonna take a break from the SP games. I am feeling a bit tired of new rulesets and new stories atm. Will still be ready to check it out & not tired of grinding if I time it right. Three months of casual play and you've seen it all too many times. Destiny 2... holy crap. What a mess.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jan 26, 2018 17:40:19 GMT
Well, this seems like the end of Bioware as an RPG studio. If Anthem fails, it's light out for Bioware. If Anthem succeed, Bioware will focus all its effort on maintaining an MTX riddled looter-shooter, probably without a real story. As it seems, the next Dragon Age will be an MTX riddled mess at best, an Anthem/Destiny derivative most probably, or just straight out canceled at worst. I don't buy that. Why would they have the writing talents they have on the case just to write a few lore cards? The writing credentials of those working on both IP's are significant. The problem is that we don't know what a 'new BioWare' game including live service will be like compared to ME3/DAI/MEA's brand of Single-Player + Multiplayer. By all means, once we know what it is, and if folk don't like it, it's fair to come to a negative conclusion. But to write future BioWare games and the studio off because we don't know exactly what form the games will take seems premature. In January 2017, EA said that Anthem would contain “the great RPG character development and story progression that BioWare is known for”. ok, well I'm waiting to see it then... I side with you on this SofaJockey, but we're talking EA. EA... is not content in being in the black. "That coke is expensive, yo."
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 26, 2018 17:47:09 GMT
I side with you on this SofaJockey, but we're talking EA. EA... is not content in being in the black. "That coke is expensive, yo." I'm under no illusion that EA makes games solely for 'artistic merit'. What I'd assess through is that a successful game is one with a great story, fluid combat, and a pretty environment. And a successful game is profitable. It is not cost-effective to have great writers on the payroll if they do not contribute an advantage to bolster the success of the game. Not taking advantage of any employee's skill is failing to deliver a return on investment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 18:01:27 GMT
I take this as a cue to go play both ME MPs for a while, since I was saving the grinding zeal for Anthem. If it is a year from now, I am gonna take a break from the SP games. I am feeling a bit tired of new rulesets and new stories atm. Will still be ready to check it out & not tired of grinding if I time it right. Three months of casual play and you've seen it all too many times. Destiny 2... holy crap. What a mess. Ah, less than three months, for certainty. Then I will go back to my huge stack of not yet seen SP games! Rinse/repeat! Fiendishly clever, I know!
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 26, 2018 18:14:19 GMT
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 26, 2018 23:46:48 GMT
A detail I take from this, is that Bioware is looking at the competition. The delay may not be all about having enough time to polish the game and fix bugs. It's pure speculation on my part but I think the strategy for monetization and EA's "live service" is still up in the air. Both EA and Bioware are probably spending a lot of time and resources on how to implement these features in Anthem. It seems to me that this so called "live service" has been an integral part of the Anthem game design. IIRC it is supposed to last 10 years but then the backfire at games like Battlefront and Destiny happened. It may be that EA/Bioware don't think that Anthem will be able to sustain a player base for 10 years with the current design of this live service, and it needs a major overhaul. And no, they are not going to remove this sheit no matter how much we gamers cry, kick and scream. EDIT: SofaJockey I get your point about yongyea sometimes being biased when titling his Youtube vids but I still think they are great for a quick overview of the current state of the gaming world. If one wants a more nuanced/detailed perspective, he also specifies his references (he often uses kotaku). When criticized, narcissists show themselves woefully incapable of retaining any emotional poise, or receptivity. And it really doesn't much matter whether the nature of that criticism is constructive or destructive.-Leon F Seltzer Ph.D. Psychology Today
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Post by Scythe Massakur on Jan 27, 2018 4:27:38 GMT
It is better think of it like this: Bioware has produced some of the best RPGs, if not the best, in gaming history. They've produced one "bad" game recently, Andromeda, but Anthem will probably be amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 5:38:01 GMT
It is better think of it like this: Bioware has produced some of the best RPGs, if not the best, in gaming history. They've produced one "bad" game recently, Andromeda, but Anthem will probably be amazing. We can only hope. Unless Anthem turns out to be a major flop.... in which case it'll be known as the game that killed BioWare.
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 27, 2018 7:24:29 GMT
It is better think of it like this: Bioware has produced some of the best RPGs, if not the best, in gaming history. They've produced one "bad" game recently, Andromeda, but Anthem will probably be amazing. We can only hope. Unless Anthem turns out to be a major flop.... in which case it'll be known as the game that killed BioWare. We can only hope and pray that they don't fuck this one up.
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Post by river82 on Jan 27, 2018 8:54:34 GMT
How many times was Dragon Age: Origins delayed? It isn't whether the game is delayed that's important. Delaying the game can very much be a good thing. It's why. Delayed so many times it was considered vaporware. Delays are a common part of game development, yet people take it as evidence (it's not) of some pretty darn outlandish speculation.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Jan 27, 2018 17:40:12 GMT
Normal non-autistic screechers don't care about EA and their business practices. Lately I've reevaluated my stance on EA. Don't like EA games? Don't buy them. I have more of a problem with Bioware than EA because it's Bioware that's developing the product not EA. There is nothing wrong with EA trying to maximize profits for their shareholders, that's the basic goal of every company. AUTISTIC gamers that vote EA as the worst company in America are cringe mfers that need to stop playing video games ASAP.
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Post by natetrace on Jan 27, 2018 20:18:30 GMT
Always interesting to see how many of these sensationalist YouTube videos pop up not long after news comes out. They can spin everything in a negative light, and can have an effect on a game. The part that really gets me though is they complain about EA and BioWare and how scummy they are and get all pissed off, then spend thirty seconds promoting their patreon, and for what? Giving you a spin on gaming news? Repeating what you already know with their little nuggets of negativity? Even a McDonalds nugget has more value.
I admit to complaining about EA. I just don't need anyone to pay me for it.
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Post by warden on Jan 27, 2018 22:04:51 GMT
It is better think of it like this: Bioware has produced some of the best RPGs, if not the best, in gaming history. They've produced one "bad" game recently, Andromeda, but Anthem will probably be amazing. that's some hard fanaticism you pulled out of your hands there. lol amusing.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 28, 2018 0:03:08 GMT
Normal non-autistic screechers don't care about EA and their business practices. Lately I've reevaluated my stance on EA. Don't like EA games? Don't buy them. I have more of a problem with Bioware than EA because it's Bioware that's developing the product not EA. There is nothing wrong with EA trying to maximize profits for their shareholders, that's the basic goal of every company. AUTISTIC gamers that vote EA as the worst company in America are cringe mfers that need to stop playing video games ASAP. Dutch, you used to be mildy interesting and often amusing. This post is too stupid for words. EA has repeatedly demonstrated that they are, in fact, shitty. As have you. Trying to get a job?
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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 28, 2018 3:24:59 GMT
How many times was Dragon Age: Origins delayed? It isn't whether the game is delayed that's important. Delaying the game can very much be a good thing. It's why. The difference here is that there seems to be a bit of nervousness with Bioware around Anthem. If Anthem fails, then Bioware is pretty much done. At the time if DAO failed, then it would be really bad for Bioware, but they still had Mass Effect that was going strong. Another problem Bioware has going into 2019 with Anthem is running into Cyberpunk 2077 which will also have some sort of online/multiplayer component. This is more than just a, "Lets delay the game to give it more polish" No, this is more of a "Lets delay this game to make sure it is right because if this fails, we will all be unemployed...."
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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 28, 2018 3:26:47 GMT
Inside sources... inside sources everywhere. People doubted him before.....
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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 28, 2018 3:31:12 GMT
It is better think of it like this: Bioware has produced some of the best RPGs, if not the best, in gaming history. They've produced one "bad" game recently, Andromeda, but Anthem will probably be amazing. Those people/leadership who produced those best RPGs are no longer with Bioware. The core people who made NWN, Baulder's Gate, KOTOR, and Mass Effect are NOT making Anthem. Thats like saying, "The Chicago Bulls has had some of the best teams, if not the best in NBA history...." as some sort of way of claiming that the Bulls is still a good team today. The franchise may bear the same name, but its totally new players with different cultures. Same with Bioware.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Jan 28, 2018 3:48:23 GMT
How many times was Dragon Age: Origins delayed? It isn't whether the game is delayed that's important. Delaying the game can very much be a good thing. It's why. The difference here is that there seems to be a bit of nervousness with Bioware around Anthem. If Anthem fails, then Bioware is pretty much done. At the time if DAO failed, then it would be really bad for Bioware, but they still had Mass Effect that was going strong. Another problem Bioware has going into 2019 with Anthem is running into Cyberpunk 2077 which will also have some sort of online/multiplayer component. This is more than just a, "Lets delay the game to give it more polish" No, this is more of a "Lets delay this game to make sure it is right because if this fails, we will all be unemployed...."I've been following Cyberpunk 2077 and recent leaks indicate that CDPR have completely scrapped the multiplayer aspect of the game and also the customizable protagonist. It's going to have one set protaganoist either male or female.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Jan 28, 2018 3:53:18 GMT
Normal non-autistic screechers don't care about EA and their business practices. Lately I've reevaluated my stance on EA. Don't like EA games? Don't buy them. I have more of a problem with Bioware than EA because it's Bioware that's developing the product not EA. There is nothing wrong with EA trying to maximize profits for their shareholders, that's the basic goal of every company. AUTISTIC gamers that vote EA as the worst company in America are cringe mfers that need to stop playing video games ASAP. Dutch, you used to be mildy interesting and often amusing. This post is too stupid for words. EA has repeatedly demonstrated that they are, in fact, shitty. As have you. Trying to get a job? EA isn't shitty enough to be compared to legimate cancerous and despicable businesses and corporations in the US. Yet that didn't stop autistic gamers from mob voting it as the worst company in the US. EA gave Bioware more than enough time to make Andromeda and Inquisition great games but despite the time and money Bioware produced mediocre products on both accounts. The only thing shitty about EA is them denying extra development time for DA2 and ME3 as well as axing some good studios. If you hate EA then don't buy their games. Their modus operandi is to make money and not please BSNers here.
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Post by warrior on Jan 28, 2018 7:48:29 GMT
The difference here is that there seems to be a bit of nervousness with Bioware around Anthem. If Anthem fails, then Bioware is pretty much done. At the time if DAO failed, then it would be really bad for Bioware, but they still had Mass Effect that was going strong. Another problem Bioware has going into 2019 with Anthem is running into Cyberpunk 2077 which will also have some sort of online/multiplayer component. This is more than just a, "Lets delay the game to give it more polish" No, this is more of a "Lets delay this game to make sure it is right because if this fails, we will all be unemployed...."I've been following Cyberpunk 2077 and recent leaks indicate that CDPR have completely scrapped the multiplayer aspect of the game and also the customizable protagonist. It's going to have one set protaganoist either male or female. Link(s)?
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 28, 2018 7:59:14 GMT
The difference here is that there seems to be a bit of nervousness with Bioware around Anthem. If Anthem fails, then Bioware is pretty much done. At the time if DAO failed, then it would be really bad for Bioware, but they still had Mass Effect that was going strong. Another problem Bioware has going into 2019 with Anthem is running into Cyberpunk 2077 which will also have some sort of online/multiplayer component. This is more than just a, "Lets delay the game to give it more polish" No, this is more of a "Lets delay this game to make sure it is right because if this fails, we will all be unemployed...."I've been following Cyberpunk 2077 and recent leaks indicate that CDPR have completely scrapped the multiplayer aspect of the game and also the customizable protagonist. It's going to have one set protaganoist either male or female. I haven't seen anything like that and with the fervor around the game I would have expected news like that to have made the circuit around all the clickbait channels. The only thing that I have seen about anything being scrapped is the ideal they have scrapped or overhauled their game engine.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 28, 2018 9:28:16 GMT
Those people/leadership who produced those best RPGs are no longer with Bioware. The core people who made NWN, Baulder's Gate, KOTOR, and Mass Effect are NOT making Anthem. Some members of the Anthem team did work on those games.
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Post by natetrace on Jan 28, 2018 13:53:24 GMT
I think YongYea(of course) did a long video on the Cyberpunk 2077 rumors about it being scaled back. I hope not, having some character creation in a cdpr game sounded great but if they cut that? Hmm. Kind of surprising Anthem is make or break, I thought it might be, but Inquisition wasn't that far back. It's not like it's been several games in a row that were thrown into the internet grinder of judgment.
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