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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 25, 2018 16:30:58 GMT
What gives me a flicker of hope is, that the studio that makes Anthem isn't the same that gave us the abomination called "Andromeda". This time we have Casey Hudson back and the full attention of Mac (who only jumped into MEA as he was trying to save it from its ultimate demise). Those guys gave us the MET, the games that gave me a fantastic journey. Yes, the ending was disappointing, but the characters, the story, the "feeling" overshine the 1%, that the ending covered. This will be the first time, I'm probably not buying a BW game on the day it's released, but it doesn't mean if the reviews are good, I'm not giving 60 bucks for it. I like looter-shooters, so if it comes out right, I'm not robbing myself of a good experience. But this isnt the Bioware game that you feel in love with. I'm polyamorous when it comes to games, bro. You should give it a try. And why do you hate the Dragon Age franchise so much? You keep wishing for it to die.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 25, 2018 17:37:26 GMT
But this isnt the Bioware game that you feel in love with. I'm polyamorous when it comes to games, bro. You should give it a try. And why do you hate the Dragon Age franchise so much? You keep wishing for it to die. I play all types of games, but I have specific games that I enjoy and when you have a full time work schedule and family, you sort of get picky with what you play. I played Destiny when it came out cause my coworkers claimed it to be a fun game.....I didn't enjoy it. To me it felt like I was forced to play MP and that by only playing SP, I wad missing out. I enjoyed GTA5 but cannot get into GTA Online. I enjoy SWTOR, but have stopped playing ever sense Cartel Coins were introduced. If Cyberpunk 2077 turns out to be like Destiny, then I will stop playing that as well. As for the DA franchise, I enjoy it. My only problem is that between DAO and DAI, the games have gotten too...."safe" and sterile looking for a game that is supposed to be a dark fantasy. I also didn't like the monotone and goody2shoe nature of the IQ, especially compared to The Warden and Hawke. For a DA4, I hope the tone and protagonist range is closer to DAO/Warden and DA2/Hawke instead of DAI/Inquisitor.
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 25, 2018 23:08:44 GMT
If it has at least a TOR-quality story I'm not sure I'd expect that, though. Or, at least, not in regards to the story TOR is more known for. TOR isn't exactly good at integrating the single-player and multiplayer aspects (one of its more notorious shortfalls, I'd expect). If that's going to be the basis, then we should specifically look to the Dread Master/Oricon stuff for an expectation of what story will look like in Anthem, since that's the most notable multiplayer story that TOR did.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 26, 2018 13:44:54 GMT
If it has at least a TOR-quality story I'm not sure I'd expect that, though. Or, at least, not in regards to the story TOR is more known for. TOR isn't exactly good at integrating the single-player and multiplayer aspects (one of its more notorious shortfalls, I'd expect). If that's going to be the basis, then we should specifically look to the Dread Master/Oricon stuff for an expectation of what story will look like in Anthem, since that's the most notable multiplayer story that TOR did. I’m not sure why you’d say that. We have no indication that Anthem’s story will be multiplayer.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 26, 2018 16:53:19 GMT
But this isnt the Bioware game that you feel in love with. This isnt SP, narrative, companion driven. This is simply EA's answer to Destiny, a style of game Bioware never attempted. I meant, it can be a good game in general as a Bioware game. If it has at least a TOR-quality story and some fun shooting-mechanics (BW is not really known for the latter - I know - but they sort of nailed ME3's shooting-system), pretty environment and a good longevity with well-balanced RNG system, I may buy it if the reviews and the general consensus say it's exceptional. We'll see. If Anthem has the equivalent of eight-plus KOTOR-length SP stories in it, complete with dialogue options, choices to make, and companion characters, MAYBE it'll be worth a look.
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Post by rras1994 on Feb 26, 2018 17:55:37 GMT
I'm not sure I'd expect that, though. Or, at least, not in regards to the story TOR is more known for. TOR isn't exactly good at integrating the single-player and multiplayer aspects (one of its more notorious shortfalls, I'd expect). If that's going to be the basis, then we should specifically look to the Dread Master/Oricon stuff for an expectation of what story will look like in Anthem, since that's the most notable multiplayer story that TOR did. I’m not sure why you’d say that. We have no indication that Anthem’s story will be multiplayer. Plus even SWTOR which is an MMO haven't done a multiplayer only major storyline since then, as there was major push back, they always makes a solo version if the put story in the flashpoints and actually rejigged flashpoints they had at launch which had story in them to have a solo version. I suspect they'll take the lessons they learnt from SWTOR, and relise the majority of players don't want story to be cut off in multiplayer. I'm not sure even the mainly multiplayer players want that.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 26, 2018 18:06:44 GMT
Given that it's a shared world shooter, and the E3 demo showcased three other players alongside you, I'd say "yes" it is a multiplayer game. I don't even think that was up for debate. I think a more prominent question to ask is, "Can I play the games story alone?" and the creative director of the game said, "yes" during that exact same demo. The Division is another shared-world game with multiplayer aspects, but a vast majority of that game can be played solo, and you can still get really great gear. It's just a matter of balancing the amount of time it takes to get said gear vs the number of players doing a specific activity. As an example, if you're a solo player and want really high-quality endgame gear, you could complete a series of quests within a weekly milestone to have access to it. Meanwhile, players able to join a group could engage in a multiplayer focused activity and get the same endgame rewards; albeit in a quicker but more challenging manner. As for the vagueness, I feel like you're scrutinizing Bioware a lot more than you are with CDPR. CDPR hasn't even shown any gameplay of Cyberpunk, and the game was revealed back in 2013; with even fewer details known about it since then. There are Bioware employees associated with Anthem that have been coming to the Anthem subreddit to give clues, hints, and even flat-out statements about what the game will have; courtesy of Brenon Holmes (Technical Design Director). You're not even letting the game bare out based on its own merits though. You're saying the game is a failure in your eyes because you don't like the multiplayer aspect of the game, when in reality, the game may not be a failure and it just isn't a game for you. If I didn't like SP-only games and said The Witcher 3 would be a failure because of it, you'd more than disagree with me on that. I don't even have anything against CDPR, and I think they provide a good antithesis to what the current established monetization scheme of the industry is right now. No, and you're really not being fair. There are lots of high quality games that people legitimately don't like for one reason or another, and it's normal for people to dislike entire genres. You couldn't get me to play a 10/10 racing game for example. This is a forum full of fans of a developer that historically has put out single player RPGs with heavy story elements, npc interaction, and the ability to influence the world in game. A shared world Destiny type game is basically the opposite of that, and it's legitimate for people to conclude at this point that the genre this game is in isnt for them. And that's on top of EAs clear track record of forcing mtx into games in a way that ruins the gameplay completely. I have no issue with him not liking the genre, or anyone else. In fact, Id rather people just come out and say they don't like the style of the game. Maybe I was wrong to prejudge his belief of how the game will turn out, but my core statement is based on sentiments that I've seen shared among a sizable number of Bioware fans. I'm not oblivious to the fact that making a game like Anthem is likely to detract people who prefer Biowares single player RPG style, but I think where you and I may disagree is that I don't believe Bioware should have to be pigeonholed into making only one type of genre of game. As for MTX's, I can only say that I won't be surprised if they're in the game, and just hope they aren't heavily invasive. One would hope the backlash of Battlefront 2 may have at least quelled any of the more egregious mtx tactics EA may have wanted to make.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 26, 2018 21:11:09 GMT
I'm polyamorous when it comes to games, bro. You should give it a try. And why do you hate the Dragon Age franchise so much? You keep wishing for it to die. I play all types of games, but I have specific games that I enjoy and when you have a full time work schedule and family, you sort of get picky with what you play. I played Destiny when it came out cause my coworkers claimed it to be a fun game.....I didn't enjoy it. To me it felt like I was forced to play MP and that by only playing SP, I wad missing out. I enjoyed GTA5 but cannot get into GTA Online. I enjoy SWTOR, but have stopped playing ever sense Cartel Coins were introduced. If Cyberpunk 2077 turns out to be like Destiny, then I will stop playing that as well. As for the DA franchise, I enjoy it. My only problem is that between DAO and DAI, the games have gotten too...."safe" and sterile looking for a game that is supposed to be a dark fantasy. I also didn't like the monotone and goody2shoe nature of the IQ, especially compared to The Warden and Hawke. For a DA4, I hope the tone and protagonist range is closer to DAO/Warden and DA2/Hawke instead of DAI/Inquisitor. So to summarize: 1) you want more of what you like (who doesn’t?) and 2) you haven’t considered the possibility that if Anthem fails, DA, and any other traditional Bioware SP style game you like that they might have on the drawing board, might be at risk. You don’t have to like or buy Anthem. But you ought to be right out in front rooting for its financial success, if you want to increase the probability of getting more of the types of games you like. It’s not a certainty, but Anthem failing is more likely to hurt the future of DA than Anthem succeeding. That’s why I said you hate DA. Anthem isn’t going to be what you want, so what’s the point of constantly complaining about it? Instead, get on board as a supporter of a new cash cow for Bioware to help fund the kinds of games you do like!
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Post by samhain444 on Feb 26, 2018 21:15:44 GMT
I play all types of games, but I have specific games that I enjoy and when you have a full time work schedule and family, you sort of get picky with what you play. I played Destiny when it came out cause my coworkers claimed it to be a fun game.....I didn't enjoy it. To me it felt like I was forced to play MP and that by only playing SP, I wad missing out. I enjoyed GTA5 but cannot get into GTA Online. I enjoy SWTOR, but have stopped playing ever sense Cartel Coins were introduced. If Cyberpunk 2077 turns out to be like Destiny, then I will stop playing that as well. As for the DA franchise, I enjoy it. My only problem is that between DAO and DAI, the games have gotten too...."safe" and sterile looking for a game that is supposed to be a dark fantasy. I also didn't like the monotone and goody2shoe nature of the IQ, especially compared to The Warden and Hawke. For a DA4, I hope the tone and protagonist range is closer to DAO/Warden and DA2/Hawke instead of DAI/Inquisitor. So to summarize: 1) you want more of what you like (who doesn’t?) and 2) you haven’t considered the possibility that if Anthem fails, DA, and any other traditional Bioware SP style game you like that they might have on the drawing board, might be at risk. You don’t have to like or buy Anthem. But you ought to be right out in front rooting for its financial success, if you want to increase the probability of getting more of the types of games you like. It’s not a guarantee, but Anthem failing is more likely to hurt the future of DA than Anthem succeeding. The excuse I often hear for wanting "Anthem" to fail is "if they succeed, they'll make mooaarr like it"... Oddly enough, the chance exists that, if "Anthem" succeeds, they can continue making content for "Anthem" AND "Dragon Age"/"Mass Effect" because they'll have the resources to do it.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 26, 2018 21:22:25 GMT
So to summarize: 1) you want more of what you like (who doesn’t?) and 2) you haven’t considered the possibility that if Anthem fails, DA, and any other traditional Bioware SP style game you like that they might have on the drawing board, might be at risk. You don’t have to like or buy Anthem. But you ought to be right out in front rooting for its financial success, if you want to increase the probability of getting more of the types of games you like. It’s not a guarantee, but Anthem failing is more likely to hurt the future of DA than Anthem succeeding. The excuse I often hear for wanting "Anthem" to fail is "if they succeed, they'll make mooaarr like it"... Oddly enough, the chance exists that, if "Anthem" succeeds, they can continue making content for "Anthem" AND "Dragon Age"/"Mass Effect" because they'll have the resources to do it. This seems so obvious to me that I’m shocked that it needs pointing out. I used to work at a software company where a couple of huge money makers funded all the rest of the product line, any single one of which was a marginal business at best, and without those cash cows, would have been cut. This is just Economics 101. That said, there is a danger if Anthem is too successful. If it’s Overwatch scale success, Ea may be tempted to focus all available resources on it. Middling success would best. Though speaking of Overwatch, so far that hasn’t happened to other Blizzard properties.
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Post by samhain444 on Feb 26, 2018 21:49:23 GMT
The excuse I often hear for wanting "Anthem" to fail is "if they succeed, they'll make mooaarr like it"... Oddly enough, the chance exists that, if "Anthem" succeeds, they can continue making content for "Anthem" AND "Dragon Age"/"Mass Effect" because they'll have the resources to do it. This seems so obvious to me that I’m shocked that it needs pointing out. I used to work at a software company where a couple of huge money makers funded all the rest of the product line, any single one of which was a marginal business at best, and without those cash cows, would have been cut. This is just Economics 101. That said, there is a danger if Anthem is too successful. If it’s Overwatch scale success, Ea may be tempted to focus all available resources on it. Middling success would best. Though speaking of Overwatch, so far that hasn’t happened to other Blizzard properties. I think it hasn't happened to other Blizzard properties because, more than likely, they don't want to compete against themselves and dilute the marketing on multiple, similarly designed products. With "Overwatch", Blizzard can focus their attention on developing that brand with new characters with new abilities, their subsequent microtransactions, and the "O.W.L." I think even if "Anthem" is lucky enough to be an "Overwatch"-level success it might dominate BioWare's marketing for a bit but would EA push DICE or one of their other studios to create a similar game just to compete against one of their subsidiaries? EA has reached an absurd level of greed at times, and bewilderingly appears tonedeaf to the gaming environment on occasion, but I'd like to think not but who knows. I honestly don't know a whole lot about the "Overwatch" community but they seem to be relatively OK with the microtransactions associated with the game? Any idea why that is?
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Post by Iakus on Feb 26, 2018 21:52:59 GMT
The excuse I often hear for wanting "Anthem" to fail is "if they succeed, they'll make mooaarr like it"... Oddly enough, the chance exists that, if "Anthem" succeeds, they can continue making content for "Anthem" AND "Dragon Age"/"Mass Effect" because they'll have the resources to do it. This seems so obvious to me that I’m shocked that it needs pointing out. I used to work at a software company where a couple of huge money makers funded all the rest of the product line, any single one of which was a marginal business at best, and without those cash cows, would have been cut. This is just Economics 101. That said, there is a danger if Anthem is too successful. If it’s Overwatch scale success, Ea may be tempted to focus all available resources on it. Middling success would best. Though speaking of Overwatch, so far that hasn’t happened to other Blizzard properties. Does anyone seriously think that if Anthem is a big success EA will choose "Diversify!" over "Milk it til it's udders are chapped and bleeding"?
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Post by Lazarillo on Feb 26, 2018 21:58:41 GMT
So to summarize: 1) you want more of what you like (who doesn’t?) and 2) you haven’t considered the possibility that if Anthem fails, DA, and any other traditional Bioware SP style game you like that they might have on the drawing board, might be at risk. I think most people are aware of this, but it's damned if they do, damned if they don't. DA4 either doesn't happen, or it gets the paradigm shift and joins Anthem on the games-as-service Dark Side. So support Anthem and see DA ruined, or detract from it and see it mercy-killed. That's how it feels, at least.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 26, 2018 22:23:30 GMT
So to summarize: 1) you want more of what you like (who doesn’t?) and 2) you haven’t considered the possibility that if Anthem fails, DA, and any other traditional Bioware SP style game you like that they might have on the drawing board, might be at risk. I think most people are aware of this, but it's damned if they do, damned if they don't. DA4 either doesn't happen, or it gets the paradigm shift and joins Anthem on the games-as-service Dark Side. So support Anthem and see DA ruined, or detract from it and see it mercy-killed. That's how it feels, at least. I get that that’s a risk, but I don’t think it’s as likely as some are making it out to be. DAI released quite successfully as a singleplayer RPG, and even if live services appear in DA4 that isn’t the necessarily the same as making it a multiplayer game in the style of SWTOR or Anthem. For example, something like the Pawn system from Dragon’s Dogma would be a live service while leaving each player in their own world and story. So it doesn’t necessarily have to drastically change the experience.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 27, 2018 1:13:43 GMT
This seems so obvious to me that I’m shocked that it needs pointing out. I used to work at a software company where a couple of huge money makers funded all the rest of the product line, any single one of which was a marginal business at best, and without those cash cows, would have been cut. This is just Economics 101. That said, there is a danger if Anthem is too successful. If it’s Overwatch scale success, Ea may be tempted to focus all available resources on it. Middling success would best. Though speaking of Overwatch, so far that hasn’t happened to other Blizzard properties. I think it hasn't happened to other Blizzard properties because, more than likely, they don't want to compete against themselves and dilute the marketing on multiple, similarly designed products. With "Overwatch", Blizzard can focus their attention on developing that brand with new characters with new abilities, their subsequent microtransactions, and the "O.W.L." I think even if "Anthem" is lucky enough to be an "Overwatch"-level success it might dominate BioWare's marketing for a bit but would EA push DICE or one of their other studios to create a similar game just to compete against one of their subsidiaries? EA has reached an absurd level of greed at times, and bewilderingly appears tonedeaf to the gaming environment on occasion, but I'd like to think not but who knows. I honestly don't know a whole lot about the "Overwatch" community but they seem to be relatively OK with the microtransactions associated with the game? Any idea why that is? What I meant is, we haven’t seen Diablo, or Starcraft, or WoW get cancelled so that Blizzard can focus more resources on Overwatch. I offered it as a counter example to the Anthem is too successful risk. But funny that you should mention self-competition, as competition was one of the primary reasons why those marginal businesses I mentioned weren’t cut. A product may not make much money, but if it’s got a loyal customer base, it’s very existence discourages a competitor from entering the same space. Cutting the product let’s a competitor get a foot in the door. That principle might not translate to entertainment software, but if it does, that’s good news for Bioware to keep making traditional SP games.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 27, 2018 13:19:53 GMT
I play all types of games, but I have specific games that I enjoy and when you have a full time work schedule and family, you sort of get picky with what you play. I played Destiny when it came out cause my coworkers claimed it to be a fun game.....I didn't enjoy it. To me it felt like I was forced to play MP and that by only playing SP, I wad missing out. I enjoyed GTA5 but cannot get into GTA Online. I enjoy SWTOR, but have stopped playing ever sense Cartel Coins were introduced. If Cyberpunk 2077 turns out to be like Destiny, then I will stop playing that as well. As for the DA franchise, I enjoy it. My only problem is that between DAO and DAI, the games have gotten too...."safe" and sterile looking for a game that is supposed to be a dark fantasy. I also didn't like the monotone and goody2shoe nature of the IQ, especially compared to The Warden and Hawke. For a DA4, I hope the tone and protagonist range is closer to DAO/Warden and DA2/Hawke instead of DAI/Inquisitor. So to summarize: 1) you want more of what you like (who doesn’t?) and 2) you haven’t considered the possibility that if Anthem fails, DA, and any other traditional Bioware SP style game you like that they might have on the drawing board, might be at risk. You don’t have to like or buy Anthem. But you ought to be right out in front rooting for its financial success, if you want to increase the probability of getting more of the types of games you like. It’s not a certainty, but Anthem failing is more likely to hurt the future of DA than Anthem succeeding. That’s why I said you hate DA. Anthem isn’t going to be what you want, so what’s the point of constantly complaining about it? Instead, get on board as a supporter of a new cash cow for Bioware to help fund the kinds of games you do like! I dont believe that if Anthem fails Bioware might be shut dont. I believe that if Anthem fails, Bioware WILL meet the fate of Visceral and other EA victims. To me that wouldnt be a bad thing cause if Anthem succeeds, that means that DA and other Bioware SP franchises will be at risk. Bioware is already talking about having a "live" service as was apparently rebooted to fit a new style. Well, DAI had a live service which was the very optional MP horde mode. However considering that Bioware just wont say that DA4s live service is similar to that of DAI means that DA4s is different and possibly will be more MP focused than SP focused. That is why I dont care if Bioware goes down. I believe (through EA) that Bioware if Anthem is a massive hit will become more focused on MP.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 27, 2018 13:22:13 GMT
I'm not sure I'd expect that, though. Or, at least, not in regards to the story TOR is more known for. TOR isn't exactly good at integrating the single-player and multiplayer aspects (one of its more notorious shortfalls, I'd expect). If that's going to be the basis, then we should specifically look to the Dread Master/Oricon stuff for an expectation of what story will look like in Anthem, since that's the most notable multiplayer story that TOR did. I’m not sure why you’d say that. We have no indication that Anthem’s story will be multiplayer. Here we are with the denial nonsense. I guess you didnt watch the E3 demo.... This is from the official Anthem site: "In this shared-world action-RPG, you and your friends are Freelancers—the bold few with the courage to leave civilization behind, explore a landscape of primeval beauty, and confront the dangers you find." "Up to four players band together to take on whatever perils you discover as a heroic team. As your friends support you in your journey, so do your victories and rewards benefit your friends." What about SHARED WORLD and you AND YOUR FRIENDS do you not understand? I never saw that verbiage with the MET or DA trilogy. Even with MEA's, ME3, and DAI that verbiage wasnt used as the main marketing pitch, despite all 3 of those games having MP.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 27, 2018 13:35:00 GMT
So to summarize: 1) you want more of what you like (who doesn’t?) and 2) you haven’t considered the possibility that if Anthem fails, DA, and any other traditional Bioware SP style game you like that they might have on the drawing board, might be at risk. You don’t have to like or buy Anthem. But you ought to be right out in front rooting for its financial success, if you want to increase the probability of getting more of the types of games you like. It’s not a guarantee, but Anthem failing is more likely to hurt the future of DA than Anthem succeeding. The excuse I often hear for wanting "Anthem" to fail is "if they succeed, they'll make mooaarr like it"... Oddly enough, the chance exists that, if "Anthem" succeeds, they can continue making content for "Anthem" AND "Dragon Age"/"Mass Effect" because they'll have the resources to do it. Bioware already has a massive multiplayer game in SWTOR and yet Bioware doesnt have resources? EA has massive cash cows like Madden, FIFA, Battlefield etc and yet EA still cannot cover Bioware to just do MP? Wasnt that one of the deals to go under EA? That they would get the funding they need to make great traditional Bioware games?
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 27, 2018 13:45:14 GMT
I’m not sure why you’d say that. We have no indication that Anthem’s story will be multiplayer. Here we are with the denial nonsense. I guess you didnt watch the E3 demo.... This is from the official Anthem site: "In this shared-world action-RPG, you and your friends are Freelancers—the bold few with the courage to leave civilization behind, explore a landscape of primeval beauty, and confront the dangers you find." "Up to four players band together to take on whatever perils you discover as a heroic team. As your friends support you in your journey, so do your victories and rewards benefit your friends." What about SHARED WORLD and you AND YOUR FRIENDS do you not understand? I never saw that verbiage with the MET or DA trilogy. Even with MEA's, ME3, and DAI that verbiage wasnt used as the main marketing pitch, despite all 3 of those games having MP. So you are saying BioWare is wrong in giving what its vocal fans have been saying they want in a game since Mass Effect 1 where I kept seeing comments along the lines of "we want co-op BioWare games"? We have all seen first hand what can happen if BioWare attempts to appease too many people. With Dragon Age: Inquisition they tried to give the 20 hour playthrough and 100 hour playthrough people a game and it feels like a whole lot of the world is wasted unless you are a completionist. Also with Inquisition how they didn't want to go back and scrap the PS3 and 360 versions of the game like CDPR and they got raked over the coals with complaints about content that got cut. I know not everyone feels the same way, but my opinion is that Mass Effect: Andromeda was BioWare trying to give as many people as possible what they wanted by with having so many different goals when it came to their systems for there were plenty of things I saw in the game that were constantly asked for. Just because you think its problematic or that people want a classic story type game from BioWare doesn't mean that is what everyone wants to see or what their priority is for what they are wanting. There is no way BioWare will be able to please everyone that wants things in their games and it just happens the direction they are going won't please you, but it doesn't mean that it isn't what other people want and were going to avoid the game if it was purely focused on single player. [Edit: Changed second paragraph]
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Post by Sanunes on Feb 27, 2018 13:48:25 GMT
The excuse I often hear for wanting "Anthem" to fail is "if they succeed, they'll make mooaarr like it"... Oddly enough, the chance exists that, if "Anthem" succeeds, they can continue making content for "Anthem" AND "Dragon Age"/"Mass Effect" because they'll have the resources to do it. Bioware already has a massive multiplayer game in SWTOR and yet Bioware doesnt have resources? EA has massive cash cows like Madden, FIFA, Battlefield etc and yet EA still cannot cover Bioware to just do MP? Wasnt that one of the deals to go under EA? That they would get the funding they need to make great traditional Bioware games? I do agree with you on this subject, it seems all the major publishers and not just EA want each game to be successful and look at each one as an individual project instead of looking at them all grouped together. That is the reason why I don't think we saw DLC with Andromeda was because EA didn't think the investment would have given them additional profits and could have lost them money for they have the numbers to how many people really buy DLC six months after release and how many people were still playing Andromeda.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 27, 2018 14:07:59 GMT
I’m not sure why you’d say that. We have no indication that Anthem’s story will be multiplayer. Here we are with the denial nonsense. I guess you didnt watch the E3 demo.... This is from the official Anthem site: "In this shared-world action-RPG, you and your friends are Freelancers—the bold few with the courage to leave civilization behind, explore a landscape of primeval beauty, and confront the dangers you find." "Up to four players band together to take on whatever perils you discover as a heroic team. As your friends support you in your journey, so do your victories and rewards benefit your friends." What about SHARED WORLD and you AND YOUR FRIENDS do you not understand? I never saw that verbiage with the MET or DA trilogy. Even with MEA's, ME3, and DAI that verbiage wasnt used as the main marketing pitch, despite all 3 of those games having MP. Destiny and the Division also talk a big game about having shared worlds you can experience with your friends. Guess what, the story in both those games is singleplayer at the end of the day. There is really no precedent for what you’re talking about.
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 27, 2018 15:09:05 GMT
The excuse I often hear for wanting "Anthem" to fail is "if they succeed, they'll make mooaarr like it"... Oddly enough, the chance exists that, if "Anthem" succeeds, they can continue making content for "Anthem" AND "Dragon Age"/"Mass Effect" because they'll have the resources to do it. Bioware already has a massive multiplayer game in SWTOR and yet Bioware doesnt have resources? EA has massive cash cows like Madden, FIFA, Battlefield etc and yet EA still cannot cover Bioware to just do MP? Wasnt that one of the deals to go under EA? That they would get the funding they need to make great traditional Bioware games? That's not usually how it works. EA owns the company in full and can do with it whatever it pleases. Its goal would be to leverage the talent and IP it bought to make as much money as possible but EA could decide how and when to do that.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 27, 2018 15:18:08 GMT
Here we are with the denial nonsense. I guess you didnt watch the E3 demo.... This is from the official Anthem site: "In this shared-world action-RPG, you and your friends are Freelancers—the bold few with the courage to leave civilization behind, explore a landscape of primeval beauty, and confront the dangers you find." "Up to four players band together to take on whatever perils you discover as a heroic team. As your friends support you in your journey, so do your victories and rewards benefit your friends." What about SHARED WORLD and you AND YOUR FRIENDS do you not understand? I never saw that verbiage with the MET or DA trilogy. Even with MEA's, ME3, and DAI that verbiage wasnt used as the main marketing pitch, despite all 3 of those games having MP. Destiny and the Division also talk a big game about having shared worlds you can experience with your friends. Guess what, the story in both those games is singleplayer at the end of the day. There is really no precedent for what you’re talking about. That's odd. Everything I've heard about Destiny and The Divion's single player uses such adjectives as "thin" and "repetitious" Edit: If they were smart, they'd at least take a page from Neverwinter Nights and allow modders to create their OWN storylines, companions, etc. And let the players participate in a group storytelling system. But I guess that would screw up the whole microtransaction system if they allowed that sort of thing
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 27, 2018 15:57:19 GMT
Destiny and the Division also talk a big game about having shared worlds you can experience with your friends. Guess what, the story in both those games is singleplayer at the end of the day. There is really no precedent for what you’re talking about. That's odd. Everything I've heard about Destiny and The Divion's single player uses such adjectives as "thin" and "repetitious" Edit: If they were smart, they'd at least take a page from Neverwinter Nights and allow modders to create their OWN storylines, companions, etc. And let the players participate in a group storytelling system. But I guess that would screw up the whole microtransaction system if they allowed that sort of thing They weren’t good stories, but they were singleplayer.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 27, 2018 16:10:47 GMT
That's odd. Everything I've heard about Destiny and The Divion's single player uses such adjectives as "thin" and "repetitious" Edit: If they were smart, they'd at least take a page from Neverwinter Nights and allow modders to create their OWN storylines, companions, etc. And let the players participate in a group storytelling system. But I guess that would screw up the whole microtransaction system if they allowed that sort of thing They weren’t good stories, but they were singleplayer. That...doesn't help the case for the single-player experience...
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