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Post by Fogg on Feb 23, 2019 11:18:40 GMT
I'm more than a bit iffy about these vanity chests they're introducing. AFTER launch. Since the keys supposedly won't be purchasable they aren't straight up lootboxes in the traditional sense but now I can't help wondering when EA might decide to monetize them too. They're putting the mechanic in place in any case. I do kind of feel like Mike Gamble's reassurance that there won't be lootboxes only a month ago is sort of ironic. They are psychologically lootboxes. On the other hand, I guess it will be something that loot junkies appreciate. Makes the whole thing more satisfying. I can see why they're adding them. I just don't trust the addition of a lootbox mechanic that other games use to squeeze money out of people. Since I won't be buying this game any time soon it doesn't concern me. As a customer og an EA game I'd be wary though. I really hope the keys will remain MTX free. I'm 80 percent sure the keys will be purchable with real money soon enough. If Activision can get away with it...
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 23, 2019 13:20:25 GMT
4,5 year celebrating - 6 months thinking - 1 year working. Bio's 1st marketing video showed a loot box drop, if you recall. Then came the mtx kerfuffle in Reddit with the Star Wars game. Then Bio removed the loot box drop with "... we never had one.... yadda, yadda".
So, yes, the studio did lose time and the original game launch date was postponed to Feb 22. Why? to me it's simple. Grinding and rewards game logic had to change to meet the monetisation targets, Ripping out the original Game Progression core design and replacing it with a new one is bound to violate the Law of Unintended Consequences.
That doesn't explain why things like the story and mission design are so bad though. Also judging from BF2 it takes some time, but not like 2-4 years lost as seems to be missing here. That said, I have no doubt this game was originally supposed to be a lootbox selling machine.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Feb 23, 2019 13:26:16 GMT
Anthem is gonna be the Dead Space 3 of BioWare or maybe that was ME3. Sadly this may very well be true, Bioware needed Anthem to do well.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 23, 2019 13:35:27 GMT
I'm more than a bit iffy about these vanity chests they're introducing. AFTER launch. Since the keys supposedly won't be purchasable they aren't straight up lootboxes in the traditional sense but now I can't help wondering when EA might decide to monetize them too. They're putting the mechanic in place in any case. I do kind of feel like Mike Gamble's reassurance that there won't be lootboxes only a month ago is sort of ironic. They are psychologically lootboxes. On the other hand, I guess it will be something that loot junkies appreciate. Makes the whole thing more satisfying. I can see why they're adding them. I just don't trust the addition of a lootbox mechanic that other games use to squeeze money out of people. Since I won't be buying this game any time soon it doesn't concern me. As a customer og an EA game I'd be wary though. I really hope the keys will remain MTX free. I'm 80 percent sure the keys will be purchable with real money soon enough. If Activision can get away with it...
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Post by 10k on Feb 23, 2019 15:14:25 GMT
This guy nails it. This is the reason I don't buy live service games. You're basically buying into a beta tester position, until the game fixes it's problems a year down the line.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 23, 2019 15:36:28 GMT
This guy nails it. This is the reason I don't buy live service games. You're basically buying into a beta tester position, until the game fixes it's problems a year down the line. Yep, games as a service don't interest me in the least. Neither do loot shooters.
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 23, 2019 15:42:21 GMT
This guy nails it. This is the reason I don't buy live service games. You're basically buying into a beta tester position, until the game fixes it's problems a year down the line. Yep, games as a service don't interest me in the least. Neither do loot shooters. Live Service games could be done well - Monster Hunter World is a shining example. Or even this game, I mean look at their roadmap. Two more months to actually have that content at launch and they'd probably be 15 points higher on Metacritic. But I'm not even gonna blame EA's financial deadline for this, because two months of final development versus 7 years in the oven - what the fuck?
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 23, 2019 15:49:07 GMT
This guy nails it. This is the reason I don't buy live service games. You're basically buying into a beta tester position, until the game fixes it's problems a year down the line. Yep, games as a service don't interest me in the least. Neither do loot shooters. you are also buying into a giant skinner box No thanks
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Post by 10k on Feb 23, 2019 16:13:35 GMT
Given the downfall of Anthem, so far, I have become really nervous about DA4. BW has to continue to use the frostbite engine, they have an awful writer; who for some reason only likes to write "corky" stories with sarcastic characters, and DA4 is also rumored to be another live service game. I don't see DA4 going well after this.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 23, 2019 16:20:34 GMT
Given the downfall of Anthem, so far, I have become really nervous about DA4. BW has to continue to use the frostbite engine, they have an awful writer; who for some reason only likes to write "corky" stories with sarcastic characters, and DA4 is also rumored to be another live service game. I don't see DA4 going well after this. Corky?
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 23, 2019 16:22:43 GMT
Given the downfall of Anthem, so far, I have become really nervous about DA4. BW has to continue to use the frostbite engine, they have an awful writer; who for some reason only likes to write "corky" stories with sarcastic characters, and DA4 is also rumored to be another live service game. I don't see DA4 going well after this. I thought that Andromeda's awful writing and dialogue might have been a fluke, a product of someone in the Montreal studio just not knowing what the hell they're doing. Anthem is showing us this is the new BioWare. I hope you like quips and sarcasm and banter and quirkyness and lolsorandom, because apparently that's BW from here on out. Like it's written by a fucking Tumblr committee.
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Post by 10k on Feb 23, 2019 16:54:52 GMT
Given the downfall of Anthem, so far, I have become really nervous about DA4. BW has to continue to use the frostbite engine, they have an awful writer; who for some reason only likes to write "corky" stories with sarcastic characters, and DA4 is also rumored to be another live service game. I don't see DA4 going well after this. Corky? Sorry quirky. You knew what I meant lol! Don't judge me.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 23, 2019 16:56:08 GMT
Sorry quirky. You knew what I meant lol! Don't judge me. oh... I'm judging lol
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Post by bakgrind on Feb 23, 2019 17:04:26 GMT
Given the downfall of Anthem, so far, I have become really nervous about DA4. BW has to continue to use the frostbite engine, they have an awful writer; who for some reason only likes to write "corky" stories with sarcastic characters, and DA4 is also rumored to be another live service game. I don't see DA4 going well after this. I thought that Andromeda's awful writing and dialogue might have been a fluke, a product of someone in the Montreal studio just not knowing what the hell they're doing. Anthem is showing us this is the new BioWare. I hope you like quips and sarcasm and banter and quirkyness and lolsorandom, because apparently that's BW from here on out. Like it's written by a fucking Tumblr committee. Pretty much spot on. And and sadly it has come to pass that there is no mythical "A" team studio with in Bioware.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 23, 2019 17:04:32 GMT
I was posting about loot in the gripes thread and it occurred to me -- over the past several years Bio loot has ranged from brain-dead (ME1), to irrelevant (DAI), to outright non-existent (ME2). So, how does a studio which has been showing no interest in the loot mechanic end up being assigned to make a looter shooter?
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Post by OdanUrr on Feb 23, 2019 17:07:46 GMT
Sorry quirky. You knew what I meant lol! Don't judge me. Quirky characters seem to be a trend lately.
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Post by 10k on Feb 23, 2019 17:10:32 GMT
Sorry quirky. You knew what I meant lol! Don't judge me. Quirky characters seem to be a trend lately. Ugh...I know.
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Post by bakgrind on Feb 23, 2019 17:32:10 GMT
I was posting about loot in the gripes thread and it occurred to me -- over the past several years Bio loot has ranged from brain-dead (ME1), to irrelevant (DAI), to outright non-existent (ME2). So, how does a studio which has been showing no interest in the loot mechanic end up being assigned to make a looter shooter? To be fair there wasn't just a single studio that was working on Anthem. Every studio within Bioware gave up a lot of their developers to work on this project. Maybe that in and of itself is the problem. I don't know if they even hired people to project "Dylan" which was what it was known of at that time that had expertise in that type of multi-playing field,but I would hope they did. I think the question is where did Bioware get off thinking they could make a loot shooter type of game when they have no experience in that field which may not be the best use of their talents. The answer is that heads at Bioware wanted to step out of their Mass Effect, Dragon Age comfort zone and expand upon their library of games.
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Post by Hrulj on Feb 23, 2019 20:03:02 GMT
Given the downfall of Anthem, so far, I have become really nervous about DA4. BW has to continue to use the frostbite engine, they have an awful writer; who for some reason only likes to write "corky" stories with sarcastic characters, and DA4 is also rumored to be another live service game. I don't see DA4 going well after this. Do you really think you'll be missing much when this is their best showing after 6 years? I'd rather have them closed and someone normal buying off the rights to the franchise than have this travesty. Obsidian made Dragon Age. A man can dream. Given the downfall of Anthem, so far, I have become really nervous about DA4. BW has to continue to use the frostbite engine, they have an awful writer; who for some reason only likes to write "corky" stories with sarcastic characters, and DA4 is also rumored to be another live service game. I don't see DA4 going well after this. I thought that Andromeda's awful writing and dialogue might have been a fluke, a product of someone in the Montreal studio just not knowing what the hell they're doing. Anthem is showing us this is the new BioWare. I hope you like quips and sarcasm and banter and quirkyness and lolsorandom, because apparently that's BW from here on out. Like it's written by a fucking Tumblr committee. They went full SJW and gimped themselves in creativity department. There's no complex plots and shitty options. Remember how you can let people get raped in exchange for money in DAO. Do you think that will ever happen under current Bioware? Complexity, shades of grey and edge is all eliminated for sake of politically correct tumblerisms. Death of Bioware is the best we can hope for
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 23, 2019 20:16:00 GMT
Another case of SJW Derangement Syndrome, I see.
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 23, 2019 20:37:49 GMT
Another case of SJW Derangement Syndrome, I se Yeah I shouldn't have brought up the boogeyman T-word. People can miss me with all that screaming about skeleton warrior nonsense.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 23, 2019 21:35:55 GMT
Given the downfall of Anthem, so far, I have become really nervous about DA4. BW has to continue to use the frostbite engine, they have an awful writer; who for some reason only likes to write "corky" stories with sarcastic characters, and DA4 is also rumored to be another live service game. I don't see DA4 going well after this.
Unless EA makes a 180 degree turn, DA4 core design is online monetisation. Everything else flows from this principle.
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 23, 2019 21:47:16 GMT
Given the downfall of Anthem, so far, I have become really nervous about DA4. BW has to continue to use the frostbite engine, they have an awful writer; who for some reason only likes to write "corky" stories with sarcastic characters, and DA4 is also rumored to be another live service game. I don't see DA4 going well after this. I thought that Andromeda's awful writing and dialogue might have been a fluke, a product of someone in the Montreal studio just not knowing what the hell they're doing. Anthem is showing us this is the new BioWare. I hope you like quips and sarcasm and banter and quirkyness and lolsorandom, because apparently that's BW from here on out. Like it's written by a fucking Tumblr committee. How many of the writers from Andromeda are now on Anthem? I've noticed one who was a writer on andromeda was now a lead writer on Anthem.
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Post by 10k on Feb 23, 2019 22:00:46 GMT
I thought that Andromeda's awful writing and dialogue might have been a fluke, a product of someone in the Montreal studio just not knowing what the hell they're doing. Anthem is showing us this is the new BioWare. I hope you like quips and sarcasm and banter and quirkyness and lolsorandom, because apparently that's BW from here on out. Like it's written by a fucking Tumblr committee. How many of the writers from Andromeda are now on Anthem? I've noticed one who was a writer on andromeda was now a lead writer on Anthem.
I just know of Cathleen Rootsaert. She was the lead writer on Andromeda, and from what I've heard she had more to do with Anthem overarching story than Drew did.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 23, 2019 22:10:00 GMT
So the writers for Mass Effect Andromeda, the leads anyway, were: John Dombrow, Cathleen Rootsaert (she's also the writer for Anthem), and Chris Schlerf. From what I've gathered, Patrick Weekes is expected to be the lead writer for Dragon Age 4; don't know who else is working with him. His works include:
Characters: Solas, Mordin, Tali, Jack, Mirandi, Kasumi, Iron Bull, Cremisius Aclassi, Bull's Chargers, and Cole Games: Dragon Age: Inquisition - Did the Here Lies the Abyss story quest; Mass Effect 3 - Did the Rannoch and Tuchanka story arcs DLC: Was lead writer for the Trespasser DLC (DA:I) and The Citadel DLC (ME3)
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