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Post by NRieh on Feb 24, 2019 15:02:36 GMT
Am I the only one who finds it ironic that Andromeda at launch had more weapon variety, more armor, more skills and more builds than Anthem? You mean Anthem has builds? Lol. As scary as it sounds - yes. MEA had better combat flexibility and deeper customization. And god knows that MEA is not famous for its diversity. From what I can tell, Anthem 'customization' is all about random craft\drop. The itemization is laughable. Crafted assault rifle providing shotgun bonuses? Really, BW?.. They should've kept the skill trees. Even limited ME3MP skill trees could make great gameplay difference.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 24, 2019 15:22:24 GMT
Am I the only one who finds it ironic that Andromeda at launch had more weapon variety, more armor, more skills and more builds than Anthem? You mean Anthem has builds? Lol. As scary as it sounds - yes. MEA had better combat flexibility and deeper customization. And god knows that MEA is not famous for its diversity. From what I can tell, Anthem 'customization' is all about random craft\drop. The itemization is laughable. Crafted assault rifle providing shotgun bonuses? Really, BW?.. They should've kept the skill trees. Even limited ME3MP skill trees could make great gameplay difference. omg Did I just see in a video that a fucking weapon dropped with a 0% added fire damage for 0 seconds? WTF is that all about????
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Post by ahglock on Feb 24, 2019 15:29:41 GMT
You mean Anthem has builds? Lol. As scary as it sounds - yes. MEA had better combat flexibility and deeper customization. And god knows that MEA is not famous for its diversity. From what I can tell, Anthem 'customization' is all about random craft\drop. The itemization is laughable. Crafted assault rifle providing shotgun bonuses? Really, BW?.. They should've kept the skill trees. Even limited ME3MP skill trees could make great gameplay difference. omg Did I just see in a video that a fucking weapon dropped with a 0% added fire damage for 0 seconds? WTF is that all about???? It may be a bug. During one of their press releases a weapon was showing that age they explained its stats were different but they had a display bug. If it is a bug and not just a pants on head mod you’d think they’d fix it by now.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 24, 2019 15:34:19 GMT
omg Did I just see in a video that a fucking weapon dropped with a 0% added fire damage for 0 seconds? WTF is that all about???? It may be a bug. During one of their press releases a weapon was showing that age they explained its stats were different but they had a display bug. If it is a bug and not just a pants on head mod you’d think they’d fix it by now. oh no...there are more Like Last round of the magazine increases accuracy for a few seconds or some shit So by the time you reload POOF bonus gone
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Post by ahglock on Feb 24, 2019 15:34:53 GMT
Well, Mtashed is frustrated. He makes a good point. It's not about ratings, game is lacking content to keep playerbase engaged.
- No PvP
- Poor loot with little variety
- Lack of enemy variety
- Simple mechanics and combat
- Very little post main campaign content
- Lackluster mission design, repetitive environments
And a lot of things need to be fixed.
I guess someone at EA had a decision: Do we release Anthem now and gamble on that people might love it to ignore all it's missing, or later when a lot of people already are playing second Division.
This should've been released at least a year later.
Given how much time they had would a year hell 5 more years have made a difference. These are some core fuck ups on display. They very well may have just made it worse while futzing around in their echo chambers.(not in a political sense, meant game design)
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Post by ahglock on Feb 24, 2019 15:37:52 GMT
It may be a bug. During one of their press releases a weapon was showing that age they explained its stats were different but they had a display bug. If it is a bug and not just a pants on head mod you’d think they’d fix it by now. oh no...there are more Like Last round of the magazine increases accuracy for a few seconds or some shit So by the time you reload POOF bonus gone Yeah I saw that one and guessed they have a system for last round+ random mod. Where it should be last round+random mod from this curated list that works. But 0% damage is literally a display bug they talked about previously. Though it could be a retarded design choice and the press dude just didn’t know that or didn’t fess up to something that dumb.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 24, 2019 15:41:45 GMT
oh no...there are more Like Last round of the magazine increases accuracy for a few seconds or some shit So by the time you reload POOF bonus gone Yeah I saw that one and guessed they have a system for last round+ random mod. Where it should be last round+random mod from this curated list that works. But 0% damage is literally a display bug they talked about previously. Though it could be a retarded design choice and the press dude just didn’t know that or didn’t fess up to something that dumb. its because Bioware tried to move further and further away from hand crafting and more towards automation and "make your own fun" kinda bullshit if you ask me Also..MEA had quite decent builds and customization I enjoyed building my perfect vanguard build with infinite ammo hard hitting/slow fire rate precision weapons
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Post by ahglock on Feb 24, 2019 15:48:53 GMT
Yeah I saw that one and guessed they have a system for last round+ random mod. Where it should be last round+random mod from this curated list that works. But 0% damage is literally a display bug they talked about previously. Though it could be a retarded design choice and the press dude just didn’t know that or didn’t fess up to something that dumb. its because Bioware tried to move further and further away from hand crafting and more towards automation and "make your own fun" kinda bullshit if you ask me Also..MEA had quite decent builds and customization I enjoyed building my perfect vanguard build with infinite ammo hard hitting/slow fire rate precision weapons My only complaints with MEA builds is weapon balance needed some work, the rarity system sucked, they limited your research points too much and the 3 active power limit. But yes MEA is maybe their best game in that regard.
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Post by Superhik on Feb 24, 2019 16:02:12 GMT
Am I the only one who finds it ironic that Andromeda at launch had more weapon variety, more armor, more skills and more builds than Anthem? Andromeda does everything better, when it comes to gameplay.
- Guns are more useful, there is a good balance between utility of abilities and weapons
- Visual effects are satisfying, but not "overloaded", like in Anthem ( where half the time, you can't even see what the hell is going on)
- Encounter design is better ( and that's saying something)
- Better technical performance
- Better balanced ( Anthem completely falls apart at higher difficulties)
- Good balance between cover and movement, positioning matters more
- Better enemy AI/visual/audio design ( yeah, I know)
- More weapons, armors, playstyles, abilities
Tbh, I prefer even ME2 vanguard run over any class in Anthem...it was fun, intense, tactical. You had to position yourself right, charge in, quickly get to cover.
Anthem is only better at out of combat traversal.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 24, 2019 16:02:52 GMT
its because Bioware tried to move further and further away from hand crafting and more towards automation and "make your own fun" kinda bullshit if you ask me Also..MEA had quite decent builds and customization I enjoyed building my perfect vanguard build with infinite ammo hard hitting/slow fire rate precision weapons My only complaints with MEA builds is weapon balance needed some work, the rarity system sucked, they limited your research points too much and the 3 active power limit. But yes MEA is maybe their best game in that regard. yes the 3 power limit with no power wheel was idiotic But even so....my precision shock trooper vanguard (as I called it) was a blast. Next to no cooldown on any ability. Charge, nova and Backlash. PAW Black widow and crusader all of then with vintage heat sinks and penetration mods and asari sword. Most headshots are 1 hit kills. All mods geared for faster power cooldown and maximized damage Insanely mobile with mid and long range firepower and hard hitting melee with shield restoring per melee kill (plus normal kill) bonus Loved it But it plays soooooo much differently from other builts
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Post by General Mahad on Feb 24, 2019 16:27:11 GMT
You know, if BioWare made this game single player only and devoted more time to NPC pathing, bug fixes, and mission/enemy design. This would have been an alright game.
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 24, 2019 16:27:55 GMT
It may be a bug. During one of their press releases a weapon was showing that age they explained its stats were different but they had a display bug. If it is a bug and not just a pants on head mod you’d think they’d fix it by now. oh no...there are more Like Last round of the magazine increases accuracy for a few seconds or some shit So by the time you reload POOF bonus gone i.imgur.com/67vYzJ6.pngTo be fair it is 20 seconds, meaning you can get through the next mag with it. But it's still dumb, to have that bonus for an LMG with a large magazine. Also it's just a recoil reduction so who even cares. If it were damage it would be acceptable, but as is it's trash.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 24, 2019 16:42:50 GMT
You know, if BioWare made this game single player only and devoted more time to NPC pathing, bug fixes, and mission/enemy design. This would have been an alright game.
you know I said that prior to release I was basically shunned
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 24, 2019 16:54:40 GMT
Do we need this thread anymore? I'm not asking for a closure, not at all. Maybe a renaming? I think we have gone past skepticism at this point; our skepticism has been well and fully confirmed. I don't want to be a dick and make it the Anthem I told ya so fanboy Thread, but... What a clusterfuck
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 24, 2019 16:57:43 GMT
Do we need this thread anymore? I'm not asking for a closure, not at all. Maybe a renaming? I think we have gone past skepticism at this point; our skepticism has been well and fully confirmed. I don't want to be a dick and make it the Anthem I told ya so fanboy Thread, but... What a clusterfuck I tried to wrangle everyone over to my Gripes thread but this one persists.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 24, 2019 17:02:37 GMT
Do we need this thread anymore? I'm not asking for a closure, not at all. Maybe a renaming? I think we have gone past skepticism at this point; our skepticism has been well and fully confirmed. I don't want to be a dick and make it the Anthem I told ya so fanboy Thread, but... What a clusterfuck The "Anthem: we told you so, you jackasses, but you did not believe us and called us all names in the book but who the fuck is laughing now, assholes" thread?
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 24, 2019 17:05:20 GMT
Do we need this thread anymore? I'm not asking for a closure, not at all. Maybe a renaming? I think we have gone past skepticism at this point; our skepticism has been well and fully confirmed. I don't want to be a dick and make it the Anthem I told ya so fanboy Thread, but... What a clusterfuck The "Anthem: we told you so, you jackasses, but you did not believe us and called us all names in the book but who the fuck is laughing now, assholes" thread? No, that was the MEA thread. I cared about Mass Effect. I don't even care about Anthem, so it's not personal for me like that. MEA was very "personal" for me, which isn't a good thing but it is the truth.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 24, 2019 17:06:04 GMT
As per usual, skeptisism seems to win the day. If you are skeptic about a game, drawn back and unsure of it's performance and quality, you stand to lose absolutely nothing. You do not overhype the game, you do not end up with some crazy expectations. If the game is bad, you win. Hell, if the game turns out to actually be good... you still win, you still end up with a great game that you can play! Do not preorder, do get hyped about games. Be interested but skeptical, follow the news, remain calm and rational throughout it all. When the game comes out, look to several game reviewers, not just the big gaming news outlets, look at youtubers too because despite how much the big news media likes to hate and belittle them out of jealousy, then they still can have some valid points. Always remember, what you are dealing with are corporations that are waiting to milk you dry of everything you have, it is not passion projects like 'Kingdom Come: Deliverance' was. It is business, it is rushed game after rushed game to satisfy a bunch of rich people every year, to entertain THEM not to entertain YOU. Remain skeptical and win at every turn! Don't care about winning the arguments for or against a game, that is not what this is about. It is about remaining level-headed and doing our best to hopefully show the big guys in the industry, that what we want is quality, we want games made to entertain the gamers, the users, not to entertain the wallets of those who do not play the games. My turn to be Quixotic. I'm going to use my mod-approved one-time rebuttal against the skeptical theme of this thread, because I can't let this comment stand without stating my wholehearted disagreement. I'm going to take it seriously, though I suppose there is a sarcastic reading of it that intends the opposite. "Remain skeptical and win at every turn!" is a terrible way to live. Let me explain: "Hell, if the game turns out to actually be good... you still win, you still end up with a great game that you can play!" A lot to unpack in this one line, so let me break it down. First of all, the more skepticism ahead of the release of the game, the greater the risk the game will not have a successful launch, even if it objectively deserves to have a successful launch. You can't have it both ways. If skepticism has influence at all, it can have influence ahead of facts and contrary to objective value. Too much skepticism, particularly histrionic, hyperbolic, value judgmental "EA is evil and everything they do is corrupt and anyone who buys the game or says anything positive about it is stupid" will distort the reception of the game beyond the ideal of its own merits. Second, you don't win every time, because Confirmation Bias is a real thing, and people who were influenced by skepticism ahead of facts may not in fact enjoy the game as much as they would have without being exposed to that skepticism. So the risk of being a skeptic all the time is that you might miss out on something you would have enjoyed. We aren't all robots programmed to like and dislike the same things in the same ways. Skepticism itself should be treated with a certain amount of skepticism. Let me throw in one additional observation, which you did not mention in your reply, but I believe is relevant: the reality of skepticism, at least in subs and social media, is not pure. A lot of motives are mixed up in so-called skeptical commentary, and when those mixed motives aren't avowed, it's hypocrisy. For example, in this very thread, I see a lot of axe grinding over the fate of Mass Effect. It seems to me that a lot of the energy and vehemence that's behind skepticism about Anthem is fueled by disappointment over Mass Effect. This makes me question how much of the skepticism is really this "level headed, rational" evaluation of a game on its own merits, and how much is lashing out and retribution over the heartbreak of Mass Effect? To be fair, everything I said in that additional observation applies to the overly optimistic as well. I think blind adoration and fanboi is just as bad, and has the same element of mixed motives that can result in hypocrisy. In short, extremism of any kind carries risks greater than its rewards, IMHO. Finally, let me finish by calling out the parts of your reply I agree with: "You do not overhype the game, you do not end up with some crazy expectations." Yes, I agree, and I hope you will agree that the reverse is true -- too much negativity, setting expectations unreasonably low without facts to support that negativity, is just as bad. When I see monkeylungs posting skepticism and negativity here, I don't feel badly about his change of mind, I feel badly that he's making the same mistake that got him into unfulfilled expectations in the first place. Being overly skeptical is just as much a mistake as being overly optimistic. "It is business, it is rushed game after rushed game to satisfy a bunch of rich people every year, to entertain THEM not to entertain YOU." Yes, indeed. Any game from a publicly traded company is subject to this. This is stating the obvious. The question is, what are reasonable and effective things to do about it? Don't pre-order, ever. Okay, that's good. What else? Never buy AAA games made by publicly traded companies? That's nearly all of them, seems a bit like cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Only play Indie? Not a bad idea, but a bit limiting. Write a lot of posts in subs and social media? That may make one feel better, but I question its efficacy. Petitions? If it's a SWBF2 level event, sure, but anything below that, seems iffy. In short, it's one thing to make a brave statement like that, its quite another to come up with something effective to do about it. Something for which the cure is not worse than the disease. "It is about remaining level-headed ..." I completely agree, but I think that means being vigilant against too much skepticism and being aware of all of ones own motives as well. It's not about just calling oneself rational. It's about acting rationally and supporting opinions with facts. And, avoiding the temptation for taking cheap shots. This thread is full of cheap shots ... and I confess, I've taken my share of them as well. The temptation is strong. But it works against this very goal of level-headedness and rationality. Skepticism is far more effective when it comes from a place of compassion, instead of a place of winning every argument at all costs. When skepticism is really about helping improve the state of video gaming, and to improve the enjoyment of gamers, not to inflate one's ego or get one over on a company that broke your heart, it's well worth investing time and energy in. And you know what that means? It means admitting that sometimes the skepticism was wrong, exaggerated, or misplaced. I have never, never seen that happen on this thread. Not once. And that undermines the credibility of everything said on this thread. There are people on this thread who exemplify this ideal skeptic that I just described -- I don't want you to think I'm tarring this whole thread with one brush. I won't call out names, but I do want to acknowledge that there are some very level-headed, rational, thoughtful people on this thread who, for the most part, do avoid the temptation of cheap shots, insults, value judgment, and hypocrisy. Okay, end sermon, and I'll accept everything coming to me, since I realize the futility of saying any of the above while you all are basking in the light of your victory and vindication of your skepticism over Anthem.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 24, 2019 17:06:40 GMT
The "Anthem: we told you so, you jackasses, but you did not believe us and called us all names in the book but who the fuck is laughing now, assholes" thread? No, that was the MEA thread. I cared about Mass Effect. I don't even care about Anthem, so it's not personal for me like that. MEA was very "personal" for me, which isn't a good thing but it is the truth. lol I wish Evil Chris was around back then That bastard owes me an apology
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Post by 10k on Feb 24, 2019 17:15:21 GMT
Tbh, I prefer even ME2 vanguard run over any class in Anthem...it was fun, intense, tactical. You had to position yourself right, charge in, quickly get to cover.
I 100% agree. After they introduced nova, the class became ridiculously easy to play. I remember there was an actual learning curve to play vanguard. People would actually make guides about it, and when the claymore trick was discovered vanguard became even more fun.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 24, 2019 17:32:19 GMT
Tbh, I prefer even ME2 vanguard run over any class in Anthem...it was fun, intense, tactical. You had to position yourself right, charge in, quickly get to cover.
I 100% agree. After they introduced nova, the class became ridiculously easy to play. I remember there was an actual learning curve to play vanguard. People would actually make guides about it, and when the claymore trick was discovered vanguard became even more fun. Yes. While I remain an adept player at my core, ME2 vanguard was the most rewarding in learning how to play at its core. The adept and other classes out of the gate worked fine in an obvious to use fashion and the learning was more about trying to push the classes to do what they weren't designed to. The vanguard was so different it worked out of the gate once you understood how it worked. I remember legions of complaints about how the class sucked because people would dive into a group of 6 guys with guns and wonder why they were dead. Where as people who LTP would target some guy on the side so they could flash it, dip into cover, then jet out again. ME3 wrecked them by making them far too good, so the people who didn't bother even trying to LTP could succeed. And I'm not even use LTP as a insult, like you need to get better at shooters, it was really about learning the basic tactics that virtually any player could pull off. The only high skill part was reload cancelling with the claymore, that timing window was small.
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