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Post by Polka Dot on Feb 24, 2019 17:33:35 GMT
Am I the only one who finds it ironic that Andromeda at launch had more weapon variety, more armor, more skills and more builds than Anthem? I wouldn't say ironic, but definitely surprising. I kinda can't believe the shitty weapon variety in Anthem, the more I think about it the most I'm just flabbergasted that there are only 3-4 weapons of each type and only what like 12 types. Question: Have you had a chance to muck around with crafting very much? It looks like to me like the material requirements are steep, and it would take a lot of grinding to get enough to make good gear, but grinding is kind of par for the course for this type of game. The best gear in DAI and MEA was not found, but crafted. Is that what they're trying to do here?
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Post by ahglock on Feb 24, 2019 17:39:13 GMT
I wouldn't say ironic, but definitely surprising. I kinda can't believe the shitty weapon variety in Anthem, the more I think about it the most I'm just flabbergasted that there are only 3-4 weapons of each type and only what like 12 types. Question: Have you had a chance to muck around with crafting very much? It looks like to me like the material requirements are steep, and it would take a lot of grinding to get enough to make good gear, but grinding is kind of par for the course for this type of game. The best gear in DAI and MEA was not found, but crafted. Is that what they're trying to do here? It could be but since the mods are random on top of it having a punishing grind just to build one in the first place it kind of drag the idea of designing a build behind the shed before emptying a ineffective anthem gun into its head repeatedly so it eventually kills a goon level mob.
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Post by decafhigh on Feb 24, 2019 17:49:26 GMT
I cared about Mass Effect. I don't even care about Anthem, so it's not personal for me like that.
As someone who has had zero interest in Anthem since it was first announced its been rather interesting watching all this unfold. Once we get some sales numbers the picture will clear up but I am rather worried about the future of Bioware now. They had everything riding on Anthem, and while it hasn't been the complete clown show that Fallout 76 was it hasn't been exactly a smooth launch for Bioware. Of course Bethesda doesn't have to worry about being owned by EA.
With the critic scores where they are if the money doesn't roll in for Anthem, well that could be very bad news for Bioware. This is what happens when you sell out to a publisher like EA or Activision though, your IP's get milked, your talent driven off, and eventually the company either dies or gets killed off.
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Post by Abramsrunner on Feb 24, 2019 17:53:03 GMT
This game has some of the worse loot drops I've played with, its not that the weapons all look alike, its the the fact you need god tier rolls on the random stats to get a good gun, & even then sometimes the god roll you get doesn't even effect said item in the first place.
Secondary effects on most Masterworks/Legendaries that aren't heals or damage based buffs, & guns that can prime for combos are straight up bad.
Why can't people when making a "looter shooter" just take a few pages from Borderlands 2 regarding the loot drops? Pretty much every unique/legendary has a mission, & or a named enemy it can drop from in BL2. Mean while in Anthem, I want the LMG "Cycle of Pain" for my Ranger gun build but I have to rely on a random drop to get one which could be 1 drop from now, or a 1,000.
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 24, 2019 17:56:52 GMT
I wouldn't say ironic, but definitely surprising. I kinda can't believe the shitty weapon variety in Anthem, the more I think about it the most I'm just flabbergasted that there are only 3-4 weapons of each type and only what like 12 types. Question: Have you had a chance to muck around with crafting very much? It looks like to me like the material requirements are steep, and it would take a lot of grinding to get enough to make good gear, but grinding is kind of par for the course for this type of game. The best gear in DAI and MEA was not found, but crafted. Is that what they're trying to do here? I've crafted some epics just to fill a slot that I didn't have high enough gear level for. I looked at masterwork crafting and decided it's not worth it at all. the material requirements are too steep.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 24, 2019 17:58:32 GMT
This game has some of the worse loot drops I've played with, its not that the weapons all look alike, its the the fact you need god tier rolls on the random stats to get a good gun, & even then sometimes the god roll you get doesn't even effect said item in the first place. Secondary effects on most Masterworks/Legendaries that aren't heals or damage based buffs, & guns that can prime for combos are straight up bad. Why can't people when making a "looter shooter" just take a few pages from Borderlands 2 regarding the loot drops? Pretty much every unique/legendary has a mission, & or a named enemy it can drop from in BL2. Mean while in Anthem, I want the LMG "Cycle of Pain" for my Ranger gun build but I have to rely on a random drop to get one which could be 1 drop from now, or a 1,000. And.... No MTX for "ptw" stuff like gear, which means that stuff can't be bought for coin either. That the evolution of the RNG has gotten worse from ME3MP to MEA to this version now in Anthem... God damn, it is pretty disappointing.
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Post by 10k on Feb 24, 2019 18:00:43 GMT
Yes. While I remain an adept player at my core, ME2 vanguard was the most rewarding in learning how to play at its core. The adept and other classes out of the gate worked fine in an obvious to use fashion and the learning was more about trying to push the classes to do what they weren't designed to. The vanguard was so different it worked out of the gate once you understood how it worked. I remember legions of complaints about how the class sucked because people would dive into a group of 6 guys with guns and wonder why they were dead. Where as people who LTP would target some guy on the side so they could flash it, dip into cover, then jet out again. ME3 wrecked them by making them far too good, so the people who didn't bother even trying to LTP could succeed. And I'm not even use LTP as a insult, like you need to get better at shooters, it was really about learning the basic tactics that virtually any player could pull off. The only high skill part was reload cancelling with the claymore, that timing window was small. OMG yes! The nostalgia is so real right now. Edit: Also I didn't know I had such high skill, because I was reload cancelling like it was second nature lol.
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Post by bigbad on Feb 24, 2019 18:05:27 GMT
Welp, I finished the main story in around 15 hours or so and didn't feel like grinding boring, poorly designed missions over and over again to get lackluster loot. Just uninstalled and canceled Origin Premiere (trying the game was the only reason I signed up).
I really wish Anthem was a good game. But it just isn't.
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Post by officerdonnz on Feb 24, 2019 19:03:41 GMT
SW:TOR and Anthem have some strong similarities that are kind of disturbing. Both games are on-line and were in development for a long time. Both games have an end game that is poorly thought out and underdeveloped (SW:TOR hasn't improved all that much in 7 years) Both games campaigns can be gotten through quickly if you know what you're doing and don't take your time. Both games can't retain end game players Both games have end game gear grind... In short Bioware have learned jack shit in how to do an on-line game in the seven years they've had SW:TOR live... That said I enjoy both games well enough and I've certainly gotten my monies worth out of SW:TOR and I'm sure that will prove true for Anthem.
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Post by papaspud on Feb 24, 2019 19:08:02 GMT
Welp, I finished the main story in around 15 hours or so and didn't feel like grinding boring, poorly designed missions over and over again to get lackluster loot. Just uninstalled and canceled Origin Premiere (trying the game was the only reason I signed up). I really wish Anthem was a good game. But it just isn't.
I did the same thing, except I only made it about 7 hours and was so bored I just quit- I tried to have fun but it just wasn't there for me, and uninstalled... I have been a premier member since last year, canceled after this. I just don't see any value in it for me right now, too bad I bought a years worth, I already owned all the EA games I really like.
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Post by OdanUrr on Feb 24, 2019 19:16:24 GMT
Both games campaigns can be gotten through quickly if you know what you're doing and don't take your time. I wouldn't be too sure about that, there's a ton of quests to do, plus you have 8 campaigns to play, some better than others and all probably better than Anthem's.
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Post by Hrulj on Feb 24, 2019 19:17:03 GMT
As per usual, skeptisism seems to win the day. If you are skeptic about a game, drawn back and unsure of it's performance and quality, you stand to lose absolutely nothing. You do not overhype the game, you do not end up with some crazy expectations. If the game is bad, you win. Hell, if the game turns out to actually be good... you still win, you still end up with a great game that you can play! Do not preorder, do get hyped about games. Be interested but skeptical, follow the news, remain calm and rational throughout it all. When the game comes out, look to several game reviewers, not just the big gaming news outlets, look at youtubers too because despite how much the big news media likes to hate and belittle them out of jealousy, then they still can have some valid points. Always remember, what you are dealing with are corporations that are waiting to milk you dry of everything you have, it is not passion projects like 'Kingdom Come: Deliverance' was. It is business, it is rushed game after rushed game to satisfy a bunch of rich people every year, to entertain THEM not to entertain YOU. Remain skeptical and win at every turn! Don't care about winning the arguments for or against a game, that is not what this is about. It is about remaining level-headed and doing our best to hopefully show the big guys in the industry, that what we want is quality, we want games made to entertain the gamers, the users, not to entertain the wallets of those who do not play the games. My turn to be Quixotic. I'm going to use my mod-approved one-time rebuttal against the skeptical theme of this thread, because I can't let this comment stand without stating my wholehearted disagreement. I'm going to take it seriously, though I suppose there is a sarcastic reading of it that intends the opposite. "Remain skeptical and win at every turn!" is a terrible way to live. Let me explain: "Hell, if the game turns out to actually be good... you still win, you still end up with a great game that you can play!" A lot to unpack in this one line, so let me break it down. First of all, the more skepticism ahead of the release of the game, the greater the risk the game will not have a successful launch, even if it objectively deserves to have a successful launch. You can't have it both ways. If skepticism has influence at all, it can have influence ahead of facts and contrary to objective value. Too much skepticism, particularly histrionic, hyperbolic, value judgmental "EA is evil and everything they do is corrupt and anyone who buys the game or says anything positive about it is stupid" will distort the reception of the game beyond the ideal of its own merits. Second, you don't win every time, because Confirmation Bias is a real thing, and people who were influenced by skepticism ahead of facts may not in fact enjoy the game as much as they would have without being exposed to that skepticism. So the risk of being a skeptic all the time is that you might miss out on something you would have enjoyed. We aren't all robots programmed to like and dislike the same things in the same ways. Skepticism itself should be treated with a certain amount of skepticism. Let me throw in one additional observation, which you did not mention in your reply, but I believe is relevant: the reality of skepticism, at least in subs and social media, is not pure. A lot of motives are mixed up in so-called skeptical commentary, and when those mixed motives aren't avowed, it's hypocrisy. For example, in this very thread, I see a lot of axe grinding over the fate of Mass Effect. It seems to me that a lot of the energy and vehemence that's behind skepticism about Anthem is fueled by disappointment over Mass Effect. This makes me question how much of the skepticism is really this "level headed, rational" evaluation of a game on its own merits, and how much is lashing out and retribution over the heartbreak of Mass Effect? To be fair, everything I said in that additional observation applies to the overly optimistic as well. I think blind adoration and fanboi is just as bad, and has the same element of mixed motives that can result in hypocrisy. In short, extremism of any kind carries risks greater than its rewards, IMHO. Finally, let me finish by calling out the parts of your reply I agree with: "You do not overhype the game, you do not end up with some crazy expectations." Yes, I agree, and I hope you will agree that the reverse is true -- too much negativity, setting expectations unreasonably low without facts to support that negativity, is just as bad. When I see monkeylungs posting skepticism and negativity here, I don't feel badly about his change of mind, I feel badly that he's making the same mistake that got him into unfulfilled expectations in the first place. Being overly skeptical is just as much a mistake as being overly optimistic. "It is business, it is rushed game after rushed game to satisfy a bunch of rich people every year, to entertain THEM not to entertain YOU." Yes, indeed. Any game from a publicly traded company is subject to this. This is stating the obvious. The question is, what are reasonable and effective things to do about it? Don't pre-order, ever. Okay, that's good. What else? Never buy AAA games made by publicly traded companies? That's nearly all of them, seems a bit like cutting off one's nose to spite one's face. Only play Indie? Not a bad idea, but a bit limiting. Write a lot of posts in subs and social media? That may make one feel better, but I question its efficacy. Petitions? If it's a SWBF2 level event, sure, but anything below that, seems iffy. In short, it's one thing to make a brave statement like that, its quite another to come up with something effective to do about it. Something for which the cure is not worse than the disease. "It is about remaining level-headed ..." I completely agree, but I think that means being vigilant against too much skepticism and being aware of all of ones own motives as well. It's not about just calling oneself rational. It's about acting rationally and supporting opinions with facts. And, avoiding the temptation for taking cheap shots. This thread is full of cheap shots ... and I confess, I've taken my share of them as well. The temptation is strong. But it works against this very goal of level-headedness and rationality. Skepticism is far more effective when it comes from a place of compassion, instead of a place of winning every argument at all costs. When skepticism is really about helping improve the state of video gaming, and to improve the enjoyment of gamers, not to inflate one's ego or get one over on a company that broke your heart, it's well worth investing time and energy in. And you know what that means? It means admitting that sometimes the skepticism was wrong, exaggerated, or misplaced. I have never, never seen that happen on this thread. Not once. And that undermines the credibility of everything said on this thread. There are people on this thread who exemplify this ideal skeptic that I just described -- I don't want you to think I'm tarring this whole thread with one brush. I won't call out names, but I do want to acknowledge that there are some very level-headed, rational, thoughtful people on this thread who, for the most part, do avoid the temptation of cheap shots, insults, value judgment, and hypocrisy. Okay, end sermon, and I'll accept everything coming to me, since I realize the futility of saying any of the above while you all are basking in the light of your victory and vindication of your skepticism over Anthem. There are people on this thread who exemplify this ideal skeptic that I just described -- I don't want you to think I'm tarring this whole thread with one brush. I won't call out names, but I do want to acknowledge that there are some very level-headed, rational, thoughtful people on this thread who, for the most part, do avoid the temptation of cheap shots, insults, value judgment, and hypocrisy. Okay, end sermon, and I'll accept everything coming to me, since I realize the futility of saying any of the above while you all are basking in the light of your victory and vindication of your skepticism over Anthem.
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Post by officerdonnz on Feb 24, 2019 19:20:55 GMT
Both games campaigns can be gotten through quickly if you know what you're doing and don't take your time. I wouldn't be too sure about that, there's a ton of quests to do, plus you have 8 campaigns to play, some better than others and all probably better than Anthem's. I know I've done all 8. But I was talking about just once through. And believe it or not when SW:TOR first launched there were people reaching the end game within a week and there was sod all for them to do.
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Post by OdanUrr on Feb 24, 2019 19:25:12 GMT
I wouldn't be too sure about that, there's a ton of quests to do, plus you have 8 campaigns to play, some better than others and all probably better than Anthem's. I know I've done all 8. But I was talking about just once through. And believe it or not when SW:TOR first launched there were people reaching the end game within a week and there was sod all for them to do. Yeah, endgame was pretty sparse for a few years iirc.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Feb 24, 2019 19:55:14 GMT
I cared about Mass Effect. I don't even care about Anthem, so it's not personal for me like that.
As someone who has had zero interest in Anthem since it was first announced its been rather interesting watching all this unfold. Once we get some sales numbers the picture will clear up but I am rather worried about the future of Bioware now. They had everything riding on Anthem, and while it hasn't been the complete clown show that Fallout 76 was it hasn't been exactly a smooth launch for Bioware. Of course Bethesda doesn't have to worry about being owned by EA.
With the critic scores where they are if the money doesn't roll in for Anthem, well that could be very bad news for Bioware. This is what happens when you sell out to a publisher like EA or Activision though, your IP's get milked, your talent driven off, and eventually the company either dies or gets killed off.
This was supposed to be the A team, and amazingly, it seems to have had the same development errors Andromeda had. Now, I have to wonder if most were taken off DA to finish this, just like they were taken off of Andromeda. So yeah, there is serious concern for Bioware's future here. They've made the same catastrophic mistakes twice in a row now.
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Post by bigbad on Feb 24, 2019 20:03:58 GMT
SW:TOR and Anthem have some strong similarities that are kind of disturbing. Both games are on-line and were in development for a long time. Both games have an end game that is poorly thought out and underdeveloped (SW:TOR hasn't improved all that much in 7 years) Both games campaigns can be gotten through quickly if you know what you're doing and don't take your time. Both games can't retain end game players Both games have end game gear grind... In short Bioware have learned jack shit in how to do an on-line game in the seven years they've had SW:TOR live... That said I enjoy both games well enough and I've certainly gotten my monies worth out of SW:TOR and I'm sure that will prove true for Anthem. I haven't played SWTOR in years, and I certainly wouldn't defend the direction it went after a couple years post release (where you became the "outlander" or whatever), but damn I had loads of great fun with that game. Lots of warm (slightly drunk) memories of raiding with guildies, etc.
Honestly, playing Anthem has made me want to download SWTOR and play through a couple of the stories again.
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Post by cankiie on Feb 24, 2019 20:19:36 GMT
I'm going to use my mod-approved one-time rebuttal against the skeptical theme of this thread Healthy discussions are healthy, so says me. First of all, the more skepticism ahead of the release of the game, the greater the risk the game will not have a successful launch, even if it objectively deserves to have a successful launch. You can't have it both ways. If skepticism has influence at all, it can have influence ahead of facts and contrary to objective value. Too much skepticism, particularly histrionic, hyperbolic, value judgmental "EA is evil and everything they do is corrupt and anyone who buys the game or says anything positive about it is stupid" will distort the reception of the game beyond the ideal of its own merits. Certainly, that is why we have something called 'a reputation' we have 'history. Basically, two things that one should try and cherish and learn from. EA neither cherished their reputation or learned from history, and this has indeed lead to their own reputation being tarnished and thoroughly dragged through the mud at every turn. This has happened for years and what difference in the quality of their games have we seen? None, nada. It is the same bullshit over and over again from EA, so there is something to be said about cherishing good reputation, and learning from history... it truly works, I assure you. It would work for EA as well. Although in EA's case, they have some salvage work to do, they have a loooong way to go if they want to turn it around. Furthermore, Apex Legends does indeed prove that being skeptic does not hurt you whatsoever. Even skeptics will awknowledge that Apex Legends is actually a good game, at the same time I want to give your idea SOME merit. Because the same skeptics are also saying that the microtransactions are farfetched, stupid, etc, while keeping their mouths shut in regards to Fortnite, while I admittedly have done poor research here, when I checked the prices for skins and what not were about the same in both Battle Royale games. Just to clarify: I do not play Battle Royale games. Furthermore. Succesful launches. A launch does not have to be succesful. The game could just as well sell great one week after and it would have little impact. I know that these large corporation would find another way to trick people, of course, but it might also show that 'gamers' are actually considering their terrible spending habits, not constantly buying the candy perfectly placed by the cashier as they stand in line, they take a breather and wait to see if it is something worth buying. This is why I advocate looking into several reviewers rather than just single reviewers, games newslets, youtubers, all of them because they will all talk about the game in different ways, they will talk about the positives and the negatives in different ways that you might better understand. Let me throw in one additional observation, which you did not mention in your reply, but I believe is relevant: the reality of skepticism, at least in subs and social media, is not pure. A lot of motives are mixed up in so-called skeptical commentary, and when those mixed motives aren't avowed, it's hypocrisy. For example, in this very thread, I see a lot of axe grinding over the fate of Mass Effect. It seems to me that a lot of the energy and vehemence that's behind skepticism about Anthem is fueled by disappointment over Mass Effect. This makes me question how much of the skepticism is really this "level headed, rational" evaluation of a game on its own merits, and how much is lashing out and retribution over the heartbreak of Mass Effect? Skepticism is always the better route. Whatever the reason is for the individual people, I don't care. Skepticism will save you money, and possibly the industry. In short, it's one thing to make a brave statement like that, its quite another to come up with something effective to do about it. Something for which the cure is not worse than the disease. You mentioned it. Hit the companies where it'll hurt, where they'll listen... their wallets. So we either get fewer games or no games at all... so be it. The chances of companies actually trying to turn it around in order to save the industry that makes them so much money, is higher if they actually start feeling it. And personally I'd rather it be sooner than later. We are eventually going to hit the mark where this current cycle can not continue, and once we hit that mark we won't be able to turn it around, it'll be the second gaming crash. If we start now it can still be turned around. but I think that means being vigilant against too much skepticism and being aware of all of ones own motives as well. It's not about just calling oneself rational. It's about acting rationally and supporting opinions with facts. And, avoiding the temptation for taking cheap shots. This thread is full of cheap shots Unless you can attribute it to me, I don't care. It means admitting that sometimes the skepticism was wrong, exaggerated, or misplaced. I have never, never seen that happen on this thread. Not once. And that undermines the credibility of everything said on this thread. As I already explained, you can't be wrong with skepticism, you do not win or lose. You either win or win. Okay, end sermon, and I'll accept everything coming to me, since I realize the futility of saying any of the above while you all are basking in the light of your victory and vindication of your skepticism over Anthem. I had actually hoped Anthem would be good, I like the concept of it, I followed it closely (Did not play the demo though, got kinda busy as I started school again) I talked to friends about it. Sadly, like with any other EA game, it proved to be another rushed, low-quality game created for little more than to satisfy the microtransaction-market. A part of my skepticism comes from the fact that I do well know how this business is running, how the triple A industry is running. I know their goals, and I know what their goals are not... it really does not help.
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 24, 2019 20:32:12 GMT
For anyone still skeptical, this video on Anthem's wonderful AI and enemy design might sway you.
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Post by river82 on Feb 24, 2019 20:43:03 GMT
For anyone still skeptical, this video on Anthem's wonderful AI and enemy design might sway you. "Luckily he doesn't have to suffer from embarrassment for very long"
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 24, 2019 21:47:10 GMT
Bwhahahahahahahahaha
Ok he nailed all the stuff I was talking about in my previous posts about Bioware lying through their teeth especially Casey Hudson
Btw, once again, where is he? Come on I am craving some of his world renown BS excuses
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 24, 2019 21:49:14 GMT
Bwhahahahahahahahaha Ok he nailed all the stuff I was talking about in my previous posts about Bioware lying through their teeth especially Casey Hudson Btw, once again, where is he? Come on I am craving some of his world renown BS excuses It's the weekend. I'm hopeful that sometime during this week BW will put out some kind of statement. More than tackling specific things, what I think the game needs right now is an honest sit down with Bioware and for them to just acknowledge the overall state of the game.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 24, 2019 21:52:52 GMT
For anyone still skeptical, this video on Anthem's wonderful AI and enemy design might sway you. Okay, I admit, that made me laff. Pretty well done.
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Post by Garo on Feb 24, 2019 21:57:41 GMT
Angry Joe dragged this game through the mud
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 24, 2019 22:21:29 GMT
Bwhahahahahahahahaha Ok he nailed all the stuff I was talking about in my previous posts about Bioware lying through their teeth especially Casey Hudson Btw, once again, where is he? Come on I am craving some of his world renown BS excuses It's the weekend. I'm hopeful that sometime during this week BW will put out some kind of statement. More than tackling specific things, what I think the game needs right now is an honest sit down with Bioware and for them to just acknowledge the overall state of the game. You did not like anthem because you did not understand it and lacked context, we will provide more context
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Feb 24, 2019 22:26:26 GMT
I haven't bought Anthem, as I'm not really into multiplayer and I got the distinct impression that its appeal might be limited for someone like myself who's primarily drawn to Bioware games for the stories, characters, worldbuilding, and dialogue choices. So...is there any reason I *shouldn't* follow the advice of the many lukewarm reviews and file this one under "check back and see if they've improved it later"?
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