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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 25, 2019 12:28:12 GMT
as I said before This stemmed by the fact that EA wanted a destiny clone and used Bioware as a mean to fend off the WoW Effect associated with an MMO style game. Since it is easier than starting from scratch EA made Bioware convert Anthem (which was already in production) to that idea. The marketing was engineered to reel in the Bioware core fanbase at first by lying through their teeth and then tell the truth in bits and pieces to "turn the heat of the water up slowly so the frog does not jump out" Again, no proof but theory fits evidence i dont think your theory fits any of the evidence. All evidence points to the game at its core was bioware's initiative. EA may have its paws here and there, like the mandate to use frostebite or varoius iteration of monetizing schemes, but it doesnt look like this game would have been made unless Bioware was fully committed to it themselves. never said anthem was NOT a bioware initiative, read what I said. EA used a game already in production (anthem) and told the creators to make it fit the looter shooter genere (hence the retooling-reboot)
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Post by Gileadan on Feb 25, 2019 12:30:55 GMT
i dont think your theory fits any of the evidence. All evidence points to the game at its core was bioware's initiative. EA may have its paws here and there, like the mandate to use frostebite or varoius iteration of monetizing schemes, but it doesnt look like this game would have been made unless Bioware was fully committed to it themselves. Given how Anthem launched with so little content, how flawed some of its core concepts turned out to be and how unstable its demo build was, it is hard to believe that this game was worked on for over six years by a full team backed by EA's money. It has essentially been in development for as long as Warframe and by a larger team, and yet only has a tiny fraction of Warframe's content, variety and depth. My guess is that something like this happened: 2012: Development of project "Dylan" begins. Whatever it might have been originally envisioned as we may never know. 2014: Destiny is released. "Dylan" is being changed in an attempt to break into that market. 2017: Warframe experiences a surge of popularity. "Dylan" is being changed again to keep up with market trends. 2019: Anthem is released to middling reviews.
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Post by NRieh on Feb 25, 2019 15:00:16 GMT
During one of their press releases a weapon was showing that age they explained its stats were different but they had a display bug. Stats are a complete mess. It's not about a single bug. Hell, I've seen poor UIs before, but weapon stats section is The Special something. Half of the stats is unclear, while the other half is useless in its randomness. It's like adding greatsword weapon damage on a crossbow. I assume it's fixable, but they should've fixed that before early demos, not post-release.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 25, 2019 16:11:06 GMT
Yep. It was their decision. Problem I see now is that they refuse to understand the technical limitations, for the games they're trying to make, with this particular engine. Not sure how Dragon Age 4 will turn out. Technically, it doesn't have as many moving parts, and assuming it can be played offline, networking issues will only be prevalent in the multiplayer side of the game. They've got the template (thanks to Inquisition), but at this point, I have no idea how that game will shape itself.
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 25, 2019 16:15:34 GMT
Yep. It was their decision. Problem I see now is that they refuse to understand the technical limitations, for the games they're trying to make, with this particular engine. Not sure how Dragon Age 4 will turn out. Technically, it doesn't have as many moving parts, and assuming it can be played offline, networking issues will only be prevalent in the multiplayer side of the game. They've got the template (thanks to Inquisition), but at this point, I have no idea how that game will shape itself. There will be no offline single player for DA4, the era of offline SP/online MP is dead. At least for EA games.
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Post by hawkspian on Feb 25, 2019 16:26:43 GMT
Just finished talking to EA help on twitter. I copy and pasted my post from here and added some more bugs I've come across.
Their solutions are as follows.
Try this: from the Xbox dashboard select Settings>All Settings>Network>Network Settings>Advanced Settings>Alternate MAC address>Clear, then restart your Xbox. -Ivy
Are you able to launch the game under a different Gamertag on your console? If so, check to see if the crashing continues to occur. -Ivy
Of everything I mentioned it was the crashing which they focused on, and I suppose that's fine as the others are gameplay related and ea have nothing to do with that, it's Bioware and they need to address this with patches.
I'll take my hat off to EA, I've never had Bungie reply to me over a bug or glitch and the fact Bungie just ignore issues for months yet Bioware and EA are working round the clock releasing patches gives me great optimism for the future.
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 25, 2019 16:28:38 GMT
I finished the game over the weekend and saw the news about the loot nerf right as I was ready to try the endgame. Yeesh.
For those of us who went through Andromeda, we know how this will play out even if some of us don't want to admit it. They will push out the remaining additional content that they currently have close to finished and drip feed it over a few months, maybe a year. Then they will pull the plug and move on to another project that isn't obviously doomed.
Don't expect any form of investment, genorisity or good faith attempts to draw players back in like we got with games that were actually making money like ME3 or even DAI to an extent. If anything, they will further dilute the loot pool with low-effort shit and make the situation worse.
Very sad how we got two incompetent games in a row. And I really liked DAI, I can't imagine how the people who got burnt by it feel right now.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 25, 2019 16:47:27 GMT
I finished the game over the weekend and saw the news about the loot nerf right as I was ready to try the endgame. Yeesh. For those of us who went through Andromeda, we know how this will play out even if some of us don't want to admit it. They will push out the remaining additional content that they currently have close to finished and drip feed it over a few months, maybe a year. Then they will pull the plug and move on to another project that isn't obviously doomed. Don't expect any form of investment, genorisity or good faith attempts to draw players back in like we got with games that were actually making money like ME3 or even DAI to an extent. If anything, they will further dilute the loot pool with low-effort shit and make the situation worse. Very sad how we got two incompetent games in a row. And I really liked DAI, I can't imagine how the people who got burnt by it feel right now. I didn’t care for DAI much. I had a serious issue with how they portrayed Cassandra and I think the combat sucked. But I don’t feel like it was a incomplete game even at launch. Shallow open world but that felt more from inexperience than from being incomplete. I don’t feel as burnt by MEA as at least it gets my mindless fun time. The builds and gameplay are entertaining. But it is visibly incomplete it could have been a great game. This one again seems incomplete based on reviews. And, yes I’d expect the same company to react to bad sales in a similar fashion to how they did in the past. And early indications are the sales are even worse than andromeda. Though it is set up better for monetization so maybe it’s in a better spot overall.
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Post by Superhik on Feb 25, 2019 16:54:39 GMT
"Anthem was not killed, it was MURDERED"..by the Division.
And I'm not even a fan of that game/Ubisoft.
This would've been great if the world was this dynamic, changing playground between factions and hostile wildlife, so there is some context and incentive for players to "grind" and do side missions. Imagine if something like Battle of Freemark was in game.
But there is no point to any of this. Entire game feels so "static" and segregated.
It's like watching my dog chase his tail ( and even he gets tired of it after a few minutes).
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Feb 25, 2019 18:08:53 GMT
DA:I major mistake was open-world. That game could be some much better if they will stick to smaller locations, less random mobs and much less fillers.
I remember how i hate to go through all these big empty maps from point A to point B just to get couple dialogue lines and then go back to point A...
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 25, 2019 18:33:39 GMT
" Anthem was not killed, it was MURDERED"..by the Division. And I'm not even a fan of that game/Ubisoft. This would've been great if the world was this dynamic, changing playground between factions and hostile wildlife, so there is some context and incentive for players to "grind" and do side missions. Imagine if something like Battle of Freemark was in game. But there is no point to any of this. Entire game feels so "static" and segregated. It's like watching my dog chase his tail ( and even he gets tired of it after a few minutes). "Static", exactly. There's nothing to this game, I'm amazed at the heights people are willing to go to defend this piece of crap made by BioWare. Two bad games in a row. At least BioWare can rest assured that some people will defend their crap for them.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 25, 2019 18:47:27 GMT
@ ste100: Surely you just returned to point A via fast travel, of course.
The funny thing about DAI and ME:A is how little you actually needed to do on the OW maps. In DAI you had to walk around the Hinterlands for maybe half an hour, and cross about half of the Crestwood and Western Approach maps. In ME:A you had to drive around Eos for a bit, and drive to one destination on Kadara and one on either Voeld or Havarl.
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Post by officerdonnz on Feb 25, 2019 18:54:51 GMT
The problem with Bioware, at least EA era Bioware is that they don't learn from their mistakes and go on to repeat them....
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Post by ahglock on Feb 25, 2019 18:59:43 GMT
@ ste100: Surely you just returned to point A via fast travel, of course. The funny thing about DAI and ME:A is how little you actually needed to do on the OW maps. In DAI you had to walk around the Hinterlands for maybe half an hour, and cross about half of the Crestwood and Western Approach maps. In ME:A you had to drive around Eos for a bit, and drive to one destination on Kadara and one on either Voeld or Havarl. Yeah the bare necessary to beat the game is pretty lite on travel. All the side quests pad it significantly. And that’s not even considering stupid collect x quests. I’m glad I’m not a hardcore completionist, these games would have been brutal.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 25, 2019 19:21:16 GMT
The problem with Bioware, at least EA era Bioware is that they don't learn from their mistakes and go on to repeat them.... Really? I’ve always seen it argued that their problem isn’t that they don’t correct things but instead that they over correct things.
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Post by officerdonnz on Feb 25, 2019 19:24:41 GMT
The problem with Bioware, at least EA era Bioware is that they don't learn from their mistakes and go on to repeat them.... Really? I’ve always seen it argued that their problem isn’t that they don’t correct things but instead that they over correct things. Maybe it's a bit of both? It's a hard thing to judge and we all see things a bit differently.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 25, 2019 19:38:00 GMT
Still funny
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Post by officerdonnz on Feb 25, 2019 19:43:54 GMT
That really depends on one's sense of humour. I don't find it funny, I just find it dumb.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 25, 2019 19:45:29 GMT
That really depends on one's sense of humour. I don't find it funny, I just find it dumb. why? If it reviewed in the 90ies we would have an accolade trailer by now
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Post by mmoblitz on Feb 25, 2019 19:48:17 GMT
Did they ever conquer shooter? ME1 definitely not ME2 and 3 the shooting elements were always one game behind gears of war in advancement, MEA maybe I think its worse game play to ME3 but a lot of people think its the best of the series, it went away form gears combat to something new. I don't play enough shooters to say whether it was new or just another copy.
So even if MEa is where they finally conquered the shooter genre, it took 4 ME games to get there, would they think looter shooter we'll get it right on the first try.
Well, given the immense time and investment they made toward anthem, they did. Anthem doesnt strike me as a test case to get their feet wet, more like putting all their eggs in one basket. They did put all their eggs in one basket. They sacrificed MEA for this and took resources from DA4 for this as well if reports are accurate. I don't want to see it fail as I don't trust EA not to bury them in the EA graveyard. I would like to see what they do with my last hope, DA4. Though I'm not sure they capable of creating something that will capture the magic of the first couple DA games or the OT in terms of story, characters, and dialog. Between the insistence of games being semi or open world, the use of frost bite, and now most likely a live service I don't think we will ever see that magic again.
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Post by officerdonnz on Feb 25, 2019 19:50:56 GMT
That really depends on one's sense of humour. I don't find it funny, I just find it dumb. why? If it reviewed in the 90ies we would have an accolade trailer by now At the risk of repeating myself. It depends on what one finds funny. I don't find it funny, just dumb. That's all there is to it. Nothing mysterious or arcane about that.
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Post by cankiie on Feb 25, 2019 19:52:47 GMT
DA:I major mistake was open-world. That game could be some much better if they will stick to smaller locations, less random mobs and much less fillers. I remember how i hate to go through all these big empty maps from point A to point B just to get couple dialogue lines and then go back to point A... I disagree that an open-world is a mistake. I do, however, agree that Bioware did the whole open-world thing terribly. But it is something I want to see them improve upon, not replace. Dragon Age stuff over, I think We are here to talk about Anthem in a less, overly-hyped manner.
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 25, 2019 19:55:07 GMT
Really? I’ve always seen it argued that their problem isn’t that they don’t correct things but instead that they over correct things. Maybe it's a bit of both? It's a hard thing to judge and we all see things a bit differently. I'd say definitely a bit of both. Remember everyone back at ME3 times who yelled "why can't we play the ME SP in coop? We want coop campaigns!"? In that context, Anthem is definitely an over-correction.
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Post by michaeln7 on Feb 25, 2019 20:10:11 GMT
When I saw that this was going to be an MMO, that was an automatic "No" from me. (Bad experiences playing MMO's that didn't improve over time, not worth the toxicity)
But I suppose a potential "bright side" is that maybe they'll go back to singleplayer experiences.
Perhaps I'm being naive, but I can hope.
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