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Post by Kenny Bania on Mar 3, 2019 15:29:27 GMT
Smh. None of this is surprising tbh.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 3, 2019 16:02:34 GMT
A fan forum shouldn't have to be positive about their dev's games, in fact our criticisms should be some of the most useful and valid. I had to stop playing Anthem as it made me motion sick, the screen shake and flashes made it impossible for me to play. The sad fact about that is that I didn't really care, the demo was so decidedly meh that I wasn't bothered if I couldn't play it. From everything I've seen, read and heard since my interest is still close to a zero. All this has left me despondent about BioWare's future and almost uninterested in (and rather skeptical about) DA4. I'm still a fan of what they were and I hope they find that again someday, but I have a right not only to be frustrated and annoyed about their last 2 games, but also to express that here. It doesn't make me a hater or a troll. I feel similarly. If DA4 is any sort of 'game as a service', I'm not buying it.
I'm wondering whether Anthem's story is like it is because they took a complete story and chopped it up to be delivered in pieces over time. I don't have any interest in that model, if so.
I don't wish ill on the devs or on anyone who does enjoy that sort of game, I'm just not one of them.
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Post by 10k on Mar 3, 2019 16:17:21 GMT
I feel similarly. If DA4 is any sort of 'game as a service', I'm not buying it. I'm wondering whether Anthem's story is like it is because they took a complete story and chopped it up to be delivered in pieces over time. I don't have any interest in that model, if so. I don't wish ill on the devs or on anyone who does enjoy that sort of game, I'm just not one of them.
Well get ready to not buy it, because it's actually rumored to be.
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Post by Coronavirus on Mar 3, 2019 16:21:48 GMT
A fan forum shouldn't have to be positive about their dev's games, in fact our criticisms should be some of the most useful and valid. I had to stop playing Anthem as it made me motion sick, the screen shake and flashes made it impossible for me to play. The sad fact about that is that I didn't really care, the demo was so decidedly meh that I wasn't bothered if I couldn't play it. From everything I've seen, read and heard since my interest is still close to a zero. All this has left me despondent about BioWare's future and almost uninterested in (and rather skeptical about) DA4. I'm still a fan of what they were and I hope they find that again someday, but I have a right not only to be frustrated and annoyed about their last 2 games, but also to express that here. It doesn't make me a hater or a troll. Hope that honest and candid view doesn’t cost you your position, but I agree. BioWare made each and every one of us into passionate fans and for me it’s no surprise there at so many people vehemently opposed to what direction they are heading in at the moment. Personally I feel that a lot of people are simply burying their heads in the sand out of fear of serious repurcussions for BioWare if this game peters out into nothingness but at the end of the day that’s just my opinion, I can’t get into people’s heads and know for sure. I just want the BioWare that gave us KOTOR and the ME trilogy back, I’ll give it a little bit of time to see how the Anthem debacle plays out but if it’s not looking good I guess I’ll just have to walk away from the fandom for good and leave whoever is left to it.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 3, 2019 16:22:24 GMT
We need a BioWare Skepticism Thread.
After this release, I am skeptical that I will ever buy another game from them.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Mar 3, 2019 16:26:44 GMT
We need a BioWare Skepticism Thread. After this release, I am skeptical that I will ever buy another game from them. That's half the forum threads, no?
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 3, 2019 16:27:34 GMT
I think what we are seeing by Anthem/MEA fans is not a blind support for Bioware but a desperate support for Bioware. Lets be honest, Bioware's last 2 games has been shacky. MEA....when no need to revisit that as you know the story. The excuse however was 2 things: 1 - It was made by the B team with minimal talent as Bioware put all the heavy hitters on the "Dylan" project. 2 - It had a shaky development as the scope changed mid development so it essentially only had like 18 months of pure development. That was the excuse for MEA....so whats ths excuss for Anthem considering.... 1 - It was made by Bioware's A team with all the heavy hitters to include Drew Karp, Casey Hudson and even people from DA4 to include Mark Darrah. So yeah, this was supposed to be quality work from the A or maybe even A+ team. 2 - It was supposed to have 6 years of solid development unlike the 18 months of MEA. So yeah....whats the excuse for Anthem Remember this: "To BioWare staff, the stakes feel higher than they ever have. As one developer told me, there's a belief that if Anthem doesn't live up to EA's expectations, BioWare will look very different in the future, especially after the disappointment of Mass Effect Andromeda led to EA absorbing BioWare Montreal into the studio EA Motive." www.kotaku.com.au/2018/01/bioware-doubles-down-on-anthem-as-pressure-mounts/With all that being said, there is a bit of....hidden concern and desperation of many Bioware fans that if Anthem is flushed down the toilet due to fan criticism and poor sales....Bioware will be gone to and thus any hope for DA4 and future ME titles. That is why you have this forum essentially turning into an echo chamber for positive Bioware/Anthem talk with all the negative threads getting anchors. Its not blind loyalty to Bioware, its just pure desperation out of what they feel could be the end of Bioware in its current form so they will do anything to defend it.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 3, 2019 16:29:45 GMT
I want to know which bleeding heart moderator has taken it upon themselves to speak for our community like this. This is a little like being mad at McDonald's for featuring the Big Mac in a TV spot, when you are disgusted by the Big Mac and wish they'd bring back the Fish McBites. That Twitter account is advertising for the board. Since when do customers get a vote on how their favorite brand is advertised? EDIT: Oops, just saw the mod cease-and-desist. Delete this post as needed (no sarcasm intended).
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Mar 3, 2019 16:31:49 GMT
I think what we are seeing by Anthem/MEA fans is not a blind support for Bioware but a desperate support for Bioware. Lets be honest, Bioware's last 2 games has been shacky. MEA....when no need to revisit that as you know the story. The excuse however was 2 things: 1 - It was made by the B team with minimal talent as Bioware put all the heavy hitters on the "Dylan" project. 2 - It had a shaky development as the scope changed mid development so it essentially only had like 18 months of pure development. That was the excuse for MEA....so whats ths excuss for Anthem considering.... 1 - It was made by Bioware's A team with all the heavy hitters to include Drew Karp, Casey Hudson and even people from DA4. So yeah, this was supposed to be quality work from the A or maybe even A+ team. 2 - It was supposed to have 6 years of solid development unlike the 18 months of MEA. So yeah....whats the excuse for Anthem Remember this: "To BioWare staff, the stakes feel higher than they ever have. As one developer told me, there's a belief that if Anthem doesn't live up to EA's expectations, BioWare will look very different in the future, especially after the disappointment of Mass Effect Andromeda led to EA absorbing BioWare Montreal into the studio EA Motive." www.kotaku.com.au/2018/01/bioware-doubles-down-on-anthem-as-pressure-mounts/With all that being said, there is a bit of....hidden concern and desperation of many Bioware fans that if Anthem is flushed down the toilet due to fan criticism and poor sales....Bioware will be gone to and thus any hope for DA4 and future ME titles. That is why you have this forum essentially turning into an echo chamber for positive Bioware/Anthem talk with all the negative threads getting anchors. Its not blind loyalty to Bioware, its just pure desperation out of what they feel could be the end of Bioware in its current form so they will do anything to defend it. Very well said, I think that sums it up.
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Post by Coronavirus on Mar 3, 2019 16:47:31 GMT
Anthem can fail for me to be honest I don’t really mind, I won’t lie my main concern is what this will mean for the future of Mass Effect. Whether EA will shit the bed and bury the franchise or keep the “wooo saving the galaxy is a cool and totally fun adventure you guys...please respect me I am still the leader” dialogue style in any future iterations, that’s my concern.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 16:57:17 GMT
Oh frigging hell. Personal opinions should be tweeted from a personal account, not from one that looks like whoever tweeted this is speaking for the entire forum - kinda ironic since speaking for others when posting in that same forum is generally frowned upon. Funny thing is, there is a site called TWEETDECK where an account can be SHARED without giving out the password to anyone else. But someone lacks the knowledge to do research and would rather not have their opinions be casted away by tweets of other folks sharing the account, it seems. L M F A O.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by 10k on Mar 3, 2019 16:57:35 GMT
We just have to come to terms that this is the New BW. Open worlds that are dead, the use of that frostbite engine, and live service "10 year plan" games. I have no faith at all anymore. My last hope was Andromeda, but it failed to capture the magic of ME1 or ME2. ME2 is still my favorite game of all time, but I know the BW who made it is long gone. I'll still be watching and discussing all things BW, but I don't know if I'm ever going to be actually buying anymore of their games. Seriously, fingers crossed for DA4. Because if that game flops, I think it will be bye bye for BW.
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On Topic: I had hopes for Anthem. Reason being is because I wanted them to succeed which would force Warframe into working harder. Am disappoint. Am commit die.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 3, 2019 17:01:53 GMT
Hope that honest and candid view doesn’t cost you your position Don't see why it should, opinions come in all shades, both positive and negative. Just to close out the BSN Twitter point, the BSN Twitter feed should be expected to talk about Anthem in an engaging way to encourage a dialogue. But in case those two 'Anthem Salt' were too clickbaity, I won't be making any more tweets in that vein. If anyone wants to debate Twitter, please take it to PM as this thread is about the game.
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Post by Iakus on Mar 3, 2019 17:22:38 GMT
We need a BioWare Skepticism Thread. After this release, I am skeptical that I will ever buy another game from them. That's half the forum threads, no? Half the anchored ones, maybe...
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 3, 2019 17:24:32 GMT
A fan forum shouldn't have to be positive about their dev's games, in fact our criticisms should be some of the most useful and valid. I had to stop playing Anthem as it made me motion sick, the screen shake and flashes made it impossible for me to play. The sad fact about that is that I didn't really care, the demo was so decidedly meh that I wasn't bothered if I couldn't play it. From everything I've seen, read and heard since my interest is still close to a zero. All this has left me despondent about BioWare's future and almost uninterested in (and rather skeptical about) DA4. I'm still a fan of what they were and I hope they find that again someday, but I have a right not only to be frustrated and annoyed about their last 2 games, but also to express that here. It doesn't make me a hater or a troll. Yeah I agree it's not about whether someone likes a game or not because as I've said elsewhere many people have different tastes. Bioware have even said themselves that Anthem might not necessarily appeal to their usual crowd. It's more about how people react when it becomes an issue calling people fan boys and shills and what have you just because you happen like a game they don't instead of just respecting that they have a different opinion. It happened a lot with MEA and it's happening again now with Anthem. I'm not really a big MMO fan as I prefer a good single player story but I must admit I've enjoyed what I've experienced of the game thus far. Not sure how often I'd come back to this game compared with ME or DA I admit that as I definitely prefer those stories over Anthem's so far. But although I'm still early on in my run of the game as I've only played a little bit here and a little bit there I have enjoyed what I've experienced.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 3, 2019 18:09:50 GMT
Something interesting I heard during the aAngry Joe extended discussion was that they think the game has been cut up and restitched together, which explains random changed in quality and some storylines not making sense.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 3, 2019 18:14:09 GMT
Something interesting I heard during the aAngry Joe extended discussion was that they think the game has been cut up and restitched together, which explains random changed in quality and some storylines not making sense. upper echelon has the same comments on it Likely a "closer" team came in and put the hammer down
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Post by Lazarillo on Mar 3, 2019 18:28:18 GMT
Its not blind loyalty to Bioware, its just pure desperation out of what they feel could be the end of Bioware in its current form so they will do anything to defend it. If Anthem is representative of Bioware in its current form, is Bioware worth defending going forward?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 3, 2019 18:34:50 GMT
Its not blind loyalty to Bioware, its just pure desperation out of what they feel could be the end of Bioware in its current form so they will do anything to defend it. If Anthem is representative of Bioware in its current form, is Bioware worth defending going forward? Agreed but we'll only really know that in time.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 3, 2019 18:36:06 GMT
I think what we are seeing by Anthem/MEA fans is not a blind support for Bioware but a desperate support for Bioware. Lets be honest, Bioware's last 2 games has been shacky. Or we just like them more than you. I find ME:A and ME1 just about tied. Maybe a slight edge to ME1, but not enough to worry about. Not much of a fan of Anthem, but since I don't like the genre anyway that's not too surprising. I get that they didn't execute the genre all that well, but doing it well wouldn't have really changed my feelings about the game.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 3, 2019 18:38:59 GMT
Something interesting I heard during the aAngry Joe extended discussion was that they think the game has been cut up and restitched together, which explains random changed in quality and some storylines not making sense. Wouldn't be the first time for Bio. Same thing happened to NWN1. The original outline's kicking around somewhere. It's better than what we got, but it was straight-up linear, and for some reason Bio abandoned it in favor of hub-and-spoke.
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Post by Lazarillo on Mar 3, 2019 18:42:15 GMT
Agreed but we'll only really know that in time. See, maybe I'm just a cynic, but that's sort of the concept I'm questioning. We're in the present. We should therefore know what they represent in the present, shouldn't we?
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Post by colfoley on Mar 3, 2019 18:52:17 GMT
I think what we are seeing by Anthem/MEA fans is not a blind support for Bioware but a desperate support for Bioware. Lets be honest, Bioware's last 2 games has been shacky. MEA....when no need to revisit that as you know the story. The excuse however was 2 things: 1 - It was made by the B team with minimal talent as Bioware put all the heavy hitters on the "Dylan" project. 2 - It had a shaky development as the scope changed mid development so it essentially only had like 18 months of pure development. That was the excuse for MEA....so whats ths excuss for Anthem considering.... 1 - It was made by Bioware's A team with all the heavy hitters to include Drew Karp, Casey Hudson and even people from DA4 to include Mark Darrah. So yeah, this was supposed to be quality work from the A or maybe even A+ team. 2 - It was supposed to have 6 years of solid development unlike the 18 months of MEA. So yeah....whats the excuse for Anthem Remember this: "To BioWare staff, the stakes feel higher than they ever have. As one developer told me, there's a belief that if Anthem doesn't live up to EA's expectations, BioWare will look very different in the future, especially after the disappointment of Mass Effect Andromeda led to EA absorbing BioWare Montreal into the studio EA Motive." www.kotaku.com.au/2018/01/bioware-doubles-down-on-anthem-as-pressure-mounts/With all that being said, there is a bit of....hidden concern and desperation of many Bioware fans that if Anthem is flushed down the toilet due to fan criticism and poor sales....Bioware will be gone to and thus any hope for DA4 and future ME titles. That is why you have this forum essentially turning into an echo chamber for positive Bioware/Anthem talk with all the negative threads getting anchors. Its not blind loyalty to Bioware, its just pure desperation out of what they feel could be the end of Bioware in its current form so they will do anything to defend it. and what if you genuinely liked Andromeda?
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