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Post by mmoblitz on Mar 3, 2019 20:29:09 GMT
I want to know which bleeding heart moderator has taken it upon themselves to speak for our community like this. Because that person is a tool. A significant amount of BioWare fans are rabid SJW’s so speaking on behalf of a community without ever canvassing them for a consensus is bread and butter for them. That shouldn't be anything new to anyone. Main Stream media does it all the time.
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I think what we are seeing by Anthem/MEA fans is not a blind support for Bioware but a desperate support for Bioware. Lets be honest, Bioware's last 2 games has been shacky. MEA....when no need to revisit that as you know the story. The excuse however was 2 things: 1 - It was made by the B team with minimal talent as Bioware put all the heavy hitters on the "Dylan" project. 2 - It had a shaky development as the scope changed mid development so it essentially only had like 18 months of pure development. That was the excuse for MEA....so whats ths excuss for Anthem considering.... 1 - It was made by Bioware's A team with all the heavy hitters to include Drew Karp, Casey Hudson and even people from DA4 to include Mark Darrah. So yeah, this was supposed to be quality work from the A or maybe even A+ team. 2 - It was supposed to have 6 years of solid development unlike the 18 months of MEA. So yeah....whats the excuse for Anthem Remember this: "To BioWare staff, the stakes feel higher than they ever have. As one developer told me, there's a belief that if Anthem doesn't live up to EA's expectations, BioWare will look very different in the future, especially after the disappointment of Mass Effect Andromeda led to EA absorbing BioWare Montreal into the studio EA Motive." www.kotaku.com.au/2018/01/bioware-doubles-down-on-anthem-as-pressure-mounts/With all that being said, there is a bit of....hidden concern and desperation of many Bioware fans that if Anthem is flushed down the toilet due to fan criticism and poor sales....Bioware will be gone to and thus any hope for DA4 and future ME titles. That is why you have this forum essentially turning into an echo chamber for positive Bioware/Anthem talk with all the negative threads getting anchors. Its not blind loyalty to Bioware, its just pure desperation out of what they feel could be the end of Bioware in its current form so they will do anything to defend it. and what if you genuinely liked Andromeda? Well I mean if you search hard enough you could probably find someone that said they genuinely enjoyed Aliens Colonial Marines so no doubt there will be people that enjoyed Mass Effect Andromeda. I enjoyed the multiplayer, even my lesbian school teacher Krogan who sounded about as intimidating as an asthmatic furry having a seizure in the middle of a supermarket floor because the cashier won’t address him as Mr Fluffy.
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Post by mmoblitz on Mar 3, 2019 20:41:42 GMT
I see a problem that is similar to both Anthem and Fallout 76. They both have an identity crisis. Both are trying to please two different crowds and is failing at both. Bioware/Bethesda trying to please their typical fan base with the RPG portion of the game while trying to please the online shooter crowd with the core game play.
I said it once a long while ago, that Bioware should have dumped the SP aspect of the game and just concentrated on the MP if that was really the intention. They haven't done anyone any favors and I have zero confidence that if we see a DA4 that it won't suffer from the same problems with the FB engine and if it is a live service game, then you can expect it to be more action/group oriented and less story driven.
It will be interesting to see if they can salvage Anthem in the long run, but they better stop banning players for being efficient with the mechanics they provide.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 3, 2019 20:43:53 GMT
I think what we are seeing by Anthem/MEA fans is not a blind support for Bioware but a desperate support for Bioware. Lets be honest, Bioware's last 2 games has been shacky. MEA....when no need to revisit that as you know the story. The excuse however was 2 things: 1 - It was made by the B team with minimal talent as Bioware put all the heavy hitters on the "Dylan" project. 2 - It had a shaky development as the scope changed mid development so it essentially only had like 18 months of pure development. That was the excuse for MEA....so whats ths excuss for Anthem considering.... 1 - It was made by Bioware's A team with all the heavy hitters to include Drew Karp, Casey Hudson and even people from DA4 to include Mark Darrah. So yeah, this was supposed to be quality work from the A or maybe even A+ team. 2 - It was supposed to have 6 years of solid development unlike the 18 months of MEA. So yeah....whats the excuse for Anthem Remember this: "To BioWare staff, the stakes feel higher than they ever have. As one developer told me, there's a belief that if Anthem doesn't live up to EA's expectations, BioWare will look very different in the future, especially after the disappointment of Mass Effect Andromeda led to EA absorbing BioWare Montreal into the studio EA Motive." www.kotaku.com.au/2018/01/bioware-doubles-down-on-anthem-as-pressure-mounts/With all that being said, there is a bit of....hidden concern and desperation of many Bioware fans that if Anthem is flushed down the toilet due to fan criticism and poor sales....Bioware will be gone to and thus any hope for DA4 and future ME titles. That is why you have this forum essentially turning into an echo chamber for positive Bioware/Anthem talk with all the negative threads getting anchors. Its not blind loyalty to Bioware, its just pure desperation out of what they feel could be the end of Bioware in its current form so they will do anything to defend it. and what if you genuinely liked Andromeda? I do as well. I realized while I’ve played it less times my hours in it are getting relatively close to me1 and 2 hours. Closer if you add in mp. But I wouldn’t call it a good game. It’s like a lot of movies I love. I recognize they are crap but I still love them. I don’t love MEA but I like it enough that I hade a 10th play through apparently. If it’s flaws were corrected I’d of loved it and it probably would it least be considered a good game.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 3, 2019 20:53:31 GMT
Oh jeez... we're going to have social conservatives whining about SJWs after every Bio release now, aren't we?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 3, 2019 20:58:36 GMT
Agreed but we'll only really know that in time. See, maybe I'm just a cynic, but that's sort of the concept I'm questioning. We're in the present. We should therefore know what they represent in the present, shouldn't we? Truth is we don't know yet because Anthem is the first time that Bioware has attempted anything like this. Also as I said before I don't begrudge them doing something different from time to time as doing things like that helps keeps things fresh and it worked out pretty well for ME when they first introduced that as I believe that was the first time Bioware attempted a game on a more action/RPG base scale. I admit Anthem for me is not on the same level for me as the ME and DA games but I'm still finding it fun even though I'm not a fan of MMO's.
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Post by river82 on Mar 3, 2019 21:06:23 GMT
See, maybe I'm just a cynic, but that's sort of the concept I'm questioning. We're in the present. We should therefore know what they represent in the present, shouldn't we? Truth is we don't know yet because Anthem is the first time that Bioware has attempted anything like this. Also as I said before I don't begrudge them doing something different from time to time as doing things like that helps keeps things fresh and it worked out pretty well for ME when they first introduced that as I believe that was the first time Bioware attempted a game on a more action/RPG base scale. I admit Anthem for me is not on the same level for me as the ME and DA games but I'm still finding it fun even though I'm not a fan of MMO's. Jade Empire
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 3, 2019 21:12:26 GMT
I think what we are seeing by Anthem/MEA fans is not a blind support for Bioware but a desperate support for Bioware. Lets be honest, Bioware's last 2 games has been shacky. MEA....when no need to revisit that as you know the story. The excuse however was 2 things: 1 - It was made by the B team with minimal talent as Bioware put all the heavy hitters on the "Dylan" project. 2 - It had a shaky development as the scope changed mid development so it essentially only had like 18 months of pure development. That was the excuse for MEA....so whats ths excuss for Anthem considering.... 1 - It was made by Bioware's A team with all the heavy hitters to include Drew Karp, Casey Hudson and even people from DA4. So yeah, this was supposed to be quality work from the A or maybe even A+ team. 2 - It was supposed to have 6 years of solid development unlike the 18 months of MEA. So yeah....whats the excuse for Anthem Remember this: "To BioWare staff, the stakes feel higher than they ever have. As one developer told me, there's a belief that if Anthem doesn't live up to EA's expectations, BioWare will look very different in the future, especially after the disappointment of Mass Effect Andromeda led to EA absorbing BioWare Montreal into the studio EA Motive." www.kotaku.com.au/2018/01/bioware-doubles-down-on-anthem-as-pressure-mounts/With all that being said, there is a bit of....hidden concern and desperation of many Bioware fans that if Anthem is flushed down the toilet due to fan criticism and poor sales....Bioware will be gone to and thus any hope for DA4 and future ME titles. That is why you have this forum essentially turning into an echo chamber for positive Bioware/Anthem talk with all the negative threads getting anchors. Its not blind loyalty to Bioware, its just pure desperation out of what they feel could be the end of Bioware in its current form so they will do anything to defend it. Very well said, I think that sums it up. Thanks You know it hits a core when nobody is able to rebuttal it.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 3, 2019 21:18:34 GMT
Truth is we don't know yet because Anthem is the first time that Bioware has attempted anything like this. Also as I said before I don't begrudge them doing something different from time to time as doing things like that helps keeps things fresh and it worked out pretty well for ME when they first introduced that as I believe that was the first time Bioware attempted a game on a more action/RPG base scale. I admit Anthem for me is not on the same level for me as the ME and DA games but I'm still finding it fun even though I'm not a fan of MMO's. Jade Empire I was refrering to a shooter RPG type style.
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Post by river82 on Mar 3, 2019 21:25:11 GMT
I was refrering to a shooter RPG type style. KOTOR was the first time they went shooter, even if it wasn't all shooter. ME was the first shooter/action. DA2 was the first hack and slash. Inquisition the first open world. TOR their first MMORPG. The thing all these had in common was they were strong RPGs, because that's what Bioware was and is at it's heart. You can design the content around this and still attract the same sort of gamers. ME1 was VERY RPG despite it being a shooter, and would turn off a lot of pure shooter fans. Anthem is the first time since probably Shattered Steel (maybe Sonic) that they have developed a game that is not an RPG. So they are completely going away from their fanbase. That's something they really haven't done before. Bioware are attempting to lure in their original fanbase with the idea of a story and a personal hub where you can interact with characters but ... it will be interesting to see how it goes. It won't fail, but it will be interesting to see how well it does and where Bioware go from this point on
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Post by simit on Mar 3, 2019 21:45:25 GMT
Didn't the team mainly responsible for Anthem also do SWTOR? You know the game panned at launch for no endgame an having players run around Ilum looking for chests to loot for gear.
Just a thought but maybe make sure you don't repeat that mistake.
It easy to see where the idea for Anthem came from an like it or not agree or not it seems to be a tunneled vision of once again "giving fans what they want" when it never was what "fans" wanted even though all there data probably showed otherwise from the highly successful ME3MP to the outright cheesy Citadel DLC both of which fans an press heaped praise after praise on, hence the dialogue you end up with in ME:A an Anthem an the co-op of Anthem, simply take what was successful an build on it = Anthem
They built a great base tbh an that's all they've built but it a start an if they dont piss af everyone an get there heads sorted they can build on it if given time.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 3, 2019 21:55:50 GMT
Didn't the team mainly responsible for Anthem also do SWTOR? You know the game panned at launch for no endgame an having players run around Ilum looking for chests to loot for gear. Just a thought but maybe make sure you don't repeat that mistake. It easy to see where the idea for Anthem came from an like it or not agree or not it seems to be a tunneled vision of once again "giving fans what they want" when it never was what "fans" wanted even though all there data probably showed otherwise from the highly successful ME3MP to the outright cheesy Citadel DLC both of which fans an press heaped praise after praise on, hence the dialogue you end up with in ME:A an Anthem an the co-op of Anthem, simply take what was successful an build on it = Anthem They built a great base tbh an that's all they've built but it a start an if they dont piss af everyone an get there heads sorted they can build on it if given time. No SWTOR was done by Bioware Austin. Anthem was done by Bioware Edmonton.
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Post by lennybusker on Mar 3, 2019 21:56:50 GMT
Looks like the subreddit is starting to turn finally. The loot fix wasn't enough, now that the honeymoon is ending for all but the most diehard fanboys the overall attitude is trending quite negative.
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Post by simit on Mar 3, 2019 21:58:59 GMT
Thought Austin primarily was on Anthem with a couple of Edmonton's ppl an then nigh everyone from Edmonton closer to release?
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Mar 3, 2019 22:01:34 GMT
So Sony is offering refunds on digital purchases because the game could legit brick your console.
Lol
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Post by phoray on Mar 3, 2019 22:13:58 GMT
Wow. Read a page and a half. Will avoid completely in the future, all doom Sayers and drama.
I'll play when they release more story in May?. Bugs will be mostly fixed by then too. probably like it as much as I liked Andromeda.
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Post by majesticjazz on Mar 3, 2019 22:15:27 GMT
Thought Austin primarily was on Anthem with a couple of Edmonton's ppl an then nigh everyone from Edmonton closer to release? Whatever Bioware's "A team" was.....created Anthem.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 3, 2019 22:16:29 GMT
So Sony is offering refunds on digital purchases because the game could legit brick your console. Lol "Legit" is an exaggeration. According to the original Reddit thread that started all this, there's disagreement about whether that is true or not. What does appear to be true is: - Sony will refund, no questions asked. You just have to mention Anthem.
- Many people are reporting full console power down just waiting for matchmaking to put them into a mission
- This is also happening on Xbox
The speculation about bricking is that power cycling the machine without a proper shutdown can corrupt the database that has your games and user account. But there's no proof that the Anthem crashes cause an improper shutdown and no one in the thread reported an actual bricking of their console.
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Post by river82 on Mar 3, 2019 22:24:01 GMT
So Sony is offering refunds on digital purchases because the game could legit brick your console. Lol "Legit" is an exaggeration. According to the original Reddit thread that started all this, there's disagreement about whether that is true or not. What does appear to be true is: - Sony will refund, no questions asked. You just have to mention Anthem.
- Many people are reporting full console power down just waiting for matchmaking to put them into a mission
- This is also happening on Xbox
The speculation about bricking is that power cycling the machine without a proper shutdown can corrupt the database that has your games and user account. But there's no proof that the Anthem crashes cause an improper shutdown and no one in the thread reported an actual bricking of their console.
I wonder if MonkeyLungs knows about this. He's been trying to get a refund from Sony for about a month? xD
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2019 22:32:07 GMT
"Legit" is an exaggeration. According to the original Reddit thread that started all this, there's disagreement about whether that is true or not. What does appear to be true is: - Sony will refund, no questions asked. You just have to mention Anthem.
- Many people are reporting full console power down just waiting for matchmaking to put them into a mission
- This is also happening on Xbox
The speculation about bricking is that power cycling the machine without a proper shutdown can corrupt the database that has your games and user account. But there's no proof that the Anthem crashes cause an improper shutdown and no one in the thread reported an actual bricking of their console.
I wonder if MonkeyLungs knows about this. He's been trying to get a refund from Sony for about a month? xD Can beacon him, using his forum ID … monkeylungs … bring him to this thread, if he visits the forum.
That could make him a happy person … good on ya for thinking of him.
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Post by bakgrind on Mar 3, 2019 22:55:54 GMT
Thought Austin primarily was on Anthem with a couple of Edmonton's ppl an then nigh everyone from Edmonton closer to release? You are correct, one does not have to move to Canada to be a part of project "Dylan" team. Ben Irving left SWTOR to be the lead producer of Anthem without changling locations. And during that time the primary focus was on Anthem and the SWTOR team lost developers to that project. It was even mentioned that Andromeda lost team members while they were still in development to Anthem. This " A" team was purely wishful thinking by fan and critic alike who were looking for a reason as to why Andromeda "failed". And the only assumption was that it was not created by the same studio that made the mass effect trilogy. As we can plainly see now there is no mythical A team, there is only Bioware.
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Post by mugwump v1 on Mar 3, 2019 23:41:00 GMT
The fact that Bioware have suffered two similarly troublesome launches back to back really calls into question the quality of their leadership team. What on earth is going on over there?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 3, 2019 23:47:38 GMT
Thought Austin primarily was on Anthem with a couple of Edmonton's ppl an then nigh everyone from Edmonton closer to release? No it's the other way around Edmonton the team responsible for giving us the ME trilogy and the original Star Wars the old republic game gave us Anthem. It's the Austin team that was and still is responsible for the Star wars MMO version.
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Post by Obadiah on Mar 3, 2019 23:52:52 GMT
The fact that Bioware have suffered two similarly troublesome launches back to back really calls into question the quality of their leadership team. What on earth is going on over there? Deadlines....
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The fact that Bioware have suffered two similarly troublesome launches back to back really calls into question the quality of their leadership team. What on earth is going on over there? Deadlines.... Meh, it seems to me that both games enjoyed long enough development cycles for them not to have launched in such a shabby state.
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