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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 4, 2019 0:47:58 GMT
This is relevant
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Post by Obadiah on Mar 4, 2019 1:01:46 GMT
Meh, it seems to me that both games enjoyed long enough development cycles for them not to have launched in such a shabby state. I don't know enough about video game development to comment about the length of time vs the launch state, I just know at a certain point if a company doesn't start generating revenue with a s/w release, then staff have to be laid off. Regardless, I assume EA and Bioware thought the state of the game was good enough for release. I've been playing it, and it seems stable and enjoyable enough on the XBoxOne. I don't churn through video games though. I have suffered the bugs (sound off, crashing, server disconnects) and, just like the complaints about Andromeda, they seem overblown.
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Post by Abramsrunner on Mar 4, 2019 1:06:20 GMT
After my 150 hours in Anthem, I played Colossus/Ranger mostly on GM1 & observing the many copy'n pasted enemy types.
The enemies are a basket case of most exploitable buggy brain dead mute AI I have ever shot at in game, they mostly just stand around shooting at you &/or spamming the one ability they have on them, When you shoot at most unprotected enemies they just stand there doing nothing, & let it happen.
In most cases when they spawn out of line of sight they move so slowly by the time the hack circle is done most of them haven't even left their spawn, making them easily killed right out of the spawn point.
Titans are so dumb, & slow with their attacks, killing one is just a matter of gun crit DPS, there is no real thought needed from a player put in fighting a Titan. All you need to fight a titan is a wall.
Bug faction enemies have no way of dealing with a hovering player in a game were the player has full fight capabilities.
The Dominion only has one strat that is remotely threatening, its just buggy ice spam until the player is frozen.
Scars are harmless unless you get hit with a fire dot from a Legendary Enforcer, & you are not a Colossus.
Outlaws are only are a problem when there is more than 3 elite/legendary lancers, but they're slow, & bugout most of the time.
I have a mighty high doubt biover will ever fix the core issues that plagues the AI, & they will forever remain cardboard cutouts in Anthem.
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Post by river82 on Mar 4, 2019 1:12:41 GMT
It's always interesting to listen to someone who works constantly with Unity and has knowledge of game development engines talk about this kind of stuff (in this instance how Frostbite 3 hit EA's studios hard).
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Post by lennybusker on Mar 4, 2019 1:17:19 GMT
One of the biggest positivityjerkers is even hanging it up in favor of Destiny and The Division.
I love that his exciting gameplay backdrop is from a period when there was a bugged piece of gear, making his character ultra-powerful, and when the loot drops were in high gear, making his loot drops seem exciting. Both of those are gone, so the game is decidedly less exciting today than it was in those videos.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 4, 2019 1:21:03 GMT
It's always interesting to listen to someone who works constantly with Unity and has knowledge of game development engines talk about this kind of stuff (in this instance how Frostbite 3 hit EA's studios hard). but if course, even faced with the evidence, EA will rationalize as "but it was a financially sound move, we will recoup by aggressively increasing our aggressive monetization tactics" as opposed to "we should listen to our customers and creators more attentively and stop being jackasses"
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 4, 2019 1:23:22 GMT
Every fandom has it’s groups who are so obsessed that if their obsession showed up at their home and murdered them they would apologize to them for making them use two bullets.
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Post by river82 on Mar 4, 2019 1:24:11 GMT
It's always interesting to listen to someone who works constantly with Unity and has knowledge of game development engines talk about this kind of stuff (in this instance how Frostbite 3 hit EA's studios hard). but if course, even faced with the evidence, EA will rationalize as "but it was a financially sound move, we will recoup by aggressively increasing our aggressive monetization tactics" as opposed to "we should listen to our customers and creators more attentively and stop being jackasses" Well it's good for EA. All these studios continuously working on EA's in house engine? Sure it's a win for them over the long term. But Bioware's game have undoubtedly suffered from it, so I would say that developers and consumers are the biggest losers from that.
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Post by 10k on Mar 4, 2019 1:24:57 GMT
One of the biggest positivityjerkers is even hanging it up in favor of Destiny and The Division. I love that his exciting gameplay backdrop is from a period when there was a bugged piece of gear, making his character ultra-powerful, and when the loot drops were in high gear, making his loot drops seem exciting. Both of those are gone, so the game is decidedly less exciting today than it was in those videos. Yeah I actually just finished watching his video a few minutes ago. He actually annoys me, this is his second video on how he's moving on. And in both he does this explanation thing on why he's moving on, giving excuses. But he never outright say he's just bored, and as a viewer I can just tell he's bored. He constantly dances around the real reason he will not be playing anymore. I dislike youtubers like him, because you can tell he's not real at all.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 4, 2019 1:27:37 GMT
but if course, even faced with the evidence, EA will rationalize as "but it was a financially sound move, we will recoup by aggressively increasing our aggressive monetization tactics" as opposed to "we should listen to our customers and creators more attentively and stop being jackasses" Well it's good for EA. All these studios continuously working on EA's in house engine? Sure it's a win for them over the long term. But Bioware's game have undoubtedly suffered from it, so I would say that developers and consumers are the biggest losers from that. oh I'm sure by now if Bioware made a ME4 (or MEA2) frostbite would be ready
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Post by lennybusker on Mar 4, 2019 1:36:42 GMT
One of the biggest positivityjerkers is even hanging it up in favor of Destiny and The Division. I love that his exciting gameplay backdrop is from a period when there was a bugged piece of gear, making his character ultra-powerful, and when the loot drops were in high gear, making his loot drops seem exciting. Both of those are gone, so the game is decidedly less exciting today than it was in those videos. Yeah I actually just finished watching his video a few minutes ago. He actually annoys me, this is his second video on how he's moving on. And in both he does this explanation thing on why he's moving on, giving excuses. But he never outright say he's just bored, and as a viewer I can just tell he's bored. He constantly dances around the real reason he will not be playing anymore. I dislike youtubers like him, because you can tell he's not real at all. Yup, absolutely. He just dances around it, but even leaving aside his personal thing what he's trying to say with the whole "business decision" thing is "Anthem is boring and has a bleeding fanbase, so videos that I make for that won't earn shit in views and clicks whereas videos for TD2 and Destiny 2 are still on fire, soooooooo" So just say it? His whole thing seems very much like sucking up to the devs and publisher. Angling for the gamechanger money, I guess.
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Post by river82 on Mar 4, 2019 1:52:21 GMT
One of the biggest positivityjerkers is even hanging it up in favor of Destiny and The Division. I love that his exciting gameplay backdrop is from a period when there was a bugged piece of gear, making his character ultra-powerful, and when the loot drops were in high gear, making his loot drops seem exciting. Both of those are gone, so the game is decidedly less exciting today than it was in those videos. Yeah I actually just finished watching his video a few minutes ago. He actually annoys me, this is his second video on how he's moving on. And in both he does this explanation thing on why he's moving on, giving excuses. But he never outright say he's just bored, and as a viewer I can just tell he's bored. He constantly dances around the real reason he will not be playing anymore. I dislike youtubers like him, because you can tell he's not real at all. YouTube was supposed to be a way to gain more independence in opinions. Media by fans for fans. It's sad to see it slowly become as corporate as the media it replaced, but whatever. We need to choose carefully who we get our info from I guess Anyway content is King and Anthem just doesn't have enough content right now. It might be a worthwhile investment for most people in about a year's time.
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Post by lennybusker on Mar 4, 2019 1:58:04 GMT
I'll give a shoutout to Anthem for one thing, it led to me finding Bellular on youtube and he is one of the best vidya game commentors I've seen. Has actual (indie) industry experience, very knowledgeable, not a dipshit, fair treatment of the issues so far and doesn't seem to be bandwagon-ing.
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 4, 2019 3:46:02 GMT
It does explain much.
Expect EA to keep the frostbite engine. So, unless FB4 comes out with aRPG features built in, DA4 will also have problems.
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Post by lennybusker on Mar 4, 2019 5:26:35 GMT
It does explain much.
Expect EA to keep the frostbite engine. So, unless FB4 comes out with aRPG features built in, DA4 will also have problems.
He said something I've been saying in various convos since DA:I came out and the devs talked about how difficult it was to adapt the engine there: why hasn't EA commissioned a technical group helmed by DICE staffers to do nothing but work the engine and make it more comfortable for other EA studios? I mean if they made it GOOD, and workable, it could even end up being a license-able product. I'm sure they would much prefer their studios to be banging out serviceable titles every 2-3 years rather than struggling with it for ages and ages the way Bioware has.
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Post by river82 on Mar 4, 2019 7:22:11 GMT
"What did you say?! Someone's getting LOOT in our LOOT game? BAN HIM IMMEDIATELY"
Not one of my favourite youtube channels, but I thought the opening skit was pretty amusing xD
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 4, 2019 12:07:30 GMT
"What did you say?! Someone's getting LOOT in our LOOT game? BAN HIM IMMEDIATELY"Not one of my favourite youtube channels, but I thought the opening skit was pretty amusing xD ok....I lolled
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Post by lennybusker on Mar 4, 2019 14:22:44 GMT
Man the subreddit's 180 came so fast this past weekend. All it took was everyone finally catching up to those of us that got to endgame first. Subreddit front page roundup: Top post is calling out the devs for releasing a buggy game. i.redd.it/m1nxdpiec2k21.pngIn total, 15 threads with criticism or pointing out shortcomings, 9 threads with memes/media clips/guides, 1 thread with praise about something.
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Post by shinobiwan on Mar 4, 2019 14:43:22 GMT
Man the subreddit's 180 came so fast this past weekend. All it took was everyone finally catching up to those of us that got to endgame first. Subreddit front page roundup: Top post is calling out the devs for releasing a buggy game. i.redd.it/m1nxdpiec2k21.pngIn total, 15 threads with criticism or pointing out shortcomings, 9 threads with memes/media clips/guides, 1 thread with praise about something. I noticed this as well. The die hard supporters have mostly either moved on or are realizing how bad the vast majority of the game is, and that random patches every few weeks or so aren't going to fix entire systems that were supposed to be in development for years.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 4, 2019 14:51:22 GMT
Man the subreddit's 180 came so fast this past weekend. All it took was everyone finally catching up to those of us that got to endgame first. Subreddit front page roundup: Top post is calling out the devs for releasing a buggy game. i.redd.it/m1nxdpiec2k21.pngIn total, 15 threads with criticism or pointing out shortcomings, 9 threads with memes/media clips/guides, 1 thread with praise about something. I noticed this as well. The die hard supporters have mostly either moved on or are realizing how bad the vast majority of the game is It ebbs and flows. This isn't the first time the front page has gone negative. The front pages can go negative for a day or three, but then the diehards come back and the front page is back to PSA's thanking the devs or "stay positive" and "I'm having fun with X" type threads. That said, it's true that as the majority on the sub shifts to grinding the elder game and nothing else, more and more focus is going to be placed on the flaws and gaps in that experience. It stands to reason that the front page should trend negative more frequently and for longer periods of time, unless some major improvements happen.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Mar 4, 2019 15:01:24 GMT
The fact that Bioware have suffered two similarly troublesome launches back to back really calls into question the quality of their leadership team. What on earth is going on over there? Deadlines.... It can't just be about deadlines. Something else is going on. We talked before about how Bioware devs seem to work in a bubble and can't seem to get or don't want to hear feedback on their development decisions while the development is happening, from people who understand the genre and the market. This was true even for SP games. What's not clear to me is if the bubble is by choice, or imposed by the business. It's possible that some key decision makers in the studio really are tuned in to what makes games good and try to get their point-of-view across, but if that goes against the strategic direction set for the product, particularly when it comes to the money end of things, they may get overruled. It could also be a combination of studio arrogance and business imposition, too. I'm convinced that in the case of Anthem, it was schedule driven, much like MEA. The release date was set in the second half of 2018 and Bioware was told not to miss it. Whether Bioware wasn't upfront about the true state of the game (they sure made some public statements about what great shape it was in), or if the business side didn't want to hear excuses and it was going to ship on time no matter what, is not clear. Again, might have been a combination of both. No professional software developer voluntarily ships code in the state Anthem was in for either the launch or the "demos". My guess is that the original plan, back in 2018, was to do several betas before release, with a much more limited single VIP demo as a vertical slice very late in the beta cycle, but as the schedule slipped and the game wasn't getting completed fast enough, all that got compressed into two demos and no betas. The decision to incentivize pre-orders with a VIP demo won out over shipping a stable product, more's the pity.
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Post by Garo on Mar 4, 2019 15:34:02 GMT
This is quite interesting but BW managed to work with Frostbite in Inquisition which was their first game in that engine and now after 6 years of developement suddenly they still couldn't figure out this engine?
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 4, 2019 15:34:12 GMT
Man the subreddit's 180 came so fast this past weekend. All it took was everyone finally catching up to those of us that got to endgame first. Subreddit front page roundup: Top post is calling out the devs for releasing a buggy game. i.redd.it/m1nxdpiec2k21.pngIn total, 15 threads with criticism or pointing out shortcomings, 9 threads with memes/media clips/guides, 1 thread with praise about something. I noticed this as well. The die hard supporters have mostly either moved on or are realizing how bad the vast majority of the game is, and that random patches every few weeks or so aren't going to fix entire systems that were supposed to be in development for years. Can you back this assertion that not posting enough means not playing Anthem? Otherwise correlation is not causation.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 4, 2019 16:11:27 GMT
"What did you say?! Someone's getting LOOT in our LOOT game? BAN HIM IMMEDIATELY"Not one of my favourite youtube channels, but I thought the opening skit was pretty amusing xD Nice to see they are sane on the issue. It’s PVE you paid $60 wtf are you banning people for. Outside continued harassment of others there should be virtually nothing. Even then that’s what block buttons are for. Heck they should be able to universal block people so you have to consent to let a person in. You get a message “Ahglock has been universally blocked for toxic behavior, do you want to add him to your match”
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Post by tatann on Mar 4, 2019 16:25:26 GMT
This is quite interesting but BW managed to work with Frostbite in Inquisition which was their first game in that engine and now after 6 years of developement suddenly they still couldn't figure out this engine?
Is DAI free of bugs ? I think it had some, especially the sound bug that still isn't fixed 6 years later (I'm shaming MEA/Anthem, not DAI)
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