It took 3 or 4 projects to not work out at Visceral for them to be canned even with them being one of the most expensive studios EA owns. It had more to do with the fact they didn't have a project ready for the staff at Visceral to go to and the fact a lot of senior staff had seen what was happening with the project and already left. If Anthem doesn't work out, they can move the staff directly on to Dragon Age and SWTOR, which just wasn't the case with Visceral. It also the reason why BioWare Montreal was merged and not shut, as they had Battlefront II and the new Jade Raymond IP that needed staff (also not as expensive per staff as Visceral, $16,000 per month compared to $10,000 in Montreal is a big differemce)
I didn't make the comment, I was just explaining what he meant. You're responding to the wrong person.
I know, I was just adding on to it as it was the last in the comment chain so to speak. It wasn't directed at you, sorry wasn't clear.
My recollection is that people left in droves when the key glitch that made roughly one third of games incompletable was left unaddressed for months, which was the final nail in the coffin for many.
Yes, I agree that the key glitch was really bad.
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mmo's aren't usually my first choice, but even so... given the current climate in the industry itself, not just bioware mind you, i've found that i have little confidence in major game studios these days, and thus little faith in anthem. however, like i've said a few times before, i'll wait till i've seen the finished product before i make any judgments about it.
Naughty Dog, Nintendo, Bethesda, Guerrilla Games, and CDPR would disagree with you....
Not all devs have drunk the "ZOMG!!!! Nobody likes SP!!!! MP is the only way to go!!!!" Koolaid
not quite what i was getting at. what i was actually referring to was... well, from my perspective, overall, i've noticed a slow but steady decline in quality from game releases by major game developers over the years, especially in ips with regular releases, now there are exceptions... such as CDPR. but, from what i've seen, it appears to me that the industry as a whole is slowly sinking into the sludge.
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Naughty Dog, Nintendo, Bethesda, Guerrilla Games, and CDPR would disagree with you....
Not all devs have drunk the "ZOMG!!!! Nobody likes SP!!!! MP is the only way to go!!!!" Koolaid
not quite what i was getting at. what i was actually referring to was... well, from my perspective, overall, i've noticed a slow but steady decline in quality from game releases by major game developers over the years, especially in ips with regular releases, now there are exceptions... such as CDPR. but, from what i've seen, it appears to me that the industry as a whole is slowly sinking into the sludge.
Nowadays the best games, or at least the best rpgs, are on Kickstarter or Fig.
Naughty Dog, Nintendo, Bethesda, Guerrilla Games, and CDPR would disagree with you....
Not all devs have drunk the "ZOMG!!!! Nobody likes SP!!!! MP is the only way to go!!!!" Koolaid
not quite what i was getting at. what i was actually referring to was... well, from my perspective, overall, i've noticed a slow but steady decline in quality from game releases by major game developers over the years, especially in ips with regular releases, now there are exceptions... such as CDPR. but, from what i've seen, it appears to me that the industry as a whole is slowly sinking into the sludge.
....again, Nintendo, Rockstar Games, Naughty Dog, Guerilla Games, and CDPR will disagree.
not quite what i was getting at. what i was actually referring to was... well, from my perspective, overall, i've noticed a slow but steady decline in quality from game releases by major game developers over the years, especially in ips with regular releases, now there are exceptions... such as CDPR. but, from what i've seen, it appears to me that the industry as a whole is slowly sinking into the sludge.
Nowadays the best games, or at least the best rpgs, are on Kickstarter or Fig.
i happen to be a backer for POE2. so, i am aware of that. lol
not quite what i was getting at. what i was actually referring to was... well, from my perspective, overall, i've noticed a slow but steady decline in quality from game releases by major game developers over the years, especially in ips with regular releases, now there are exceptions... such as CDPR. but, from what i've seen, it appears to me that the industry as a whole is slowly sinking into the sludge.
....again, Nintendo, Rockstar Games, Naughty Dog, Guerilla Games, and CDPR will disagree.
and i said there were exceptions... though, one or two of those examples you've provided made me raise an eyebrow.
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I'm not an Anthem skeptic, not really. I'm just not interested. Nothing I've seen so far makes me say, "I want to play that!"
Part of my problem is my gaming backlog is huge. Anthem isn't just competing against the games of its time, but against games of the past few years. (Quantum Break, Alien: Isolation, Assassin's Creed Syndicate and Origins, Fallout 4, Far Cry 4, Far Cry Primal, want to replay Witcher 2 and 3, replay Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, the list goes on and on.)
I'm not an Anthem skeptic, not really. I'm just not interested. Nothing I've seen so far makes me say, "I want to play that!"
Part of my problem is my gaming backlog is huge. Anthem isn't just competing against the games of its time, but against games of the past few years. (Quantum Break, Alien: Isolation, Assassin's Creed Syndicate and Origins, Fallout 4, Far Cry 4, Far Cry Primal, want to replay Witcher 2 and 3, replay Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, the list goes on and on.)
What is Anthem missing or what could be shown about Anthem to make you say, "I want to play that!"
I'm not an Anthem skeptic, not really. I'm just not interested. Nothing I've seen so far makes me say, "I want to play that!"
Part of my problem is my gaming backlog is huge. Anthem isn't just competing against the games of its time, but against games of the past few years. (Quantum Break, Alien: Isolation, Assassin's Creed Syndicate and Origins, Fallout 4, Far Cry 4, Far Cry Primal, want to replay Witcher 2 and 3, replay Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, the list goes on and on.)
What is Anthem missing or what could be shown about Anthem to make you say, "I want to play that!"
Good story (that can be played solo). Or some demonstration of a cool villain, or a continuously evolving game mechanic - whether a loot hunt or some special skills or weapon modding. Never played Destiny, so Anthem is competing most closely with the Borderlands franchise from my perspective.
Not hearing anything about the "hook" that is supposed to draw players in, only that, "We're making this cool co-op world!" Not good enough.
I'm not an Anthem skeptic, not really. I'm just not interested. Nothing I've seen so far makes me say, "I want to play that!"
Part of my problem is my gaming backlog is huge. Anthem isn't just competing against the games of its time, but against games of the past few years. (Quantum Break, Alien: Isolation, Assassin's Creed Syndicate and Origins, Fallout 4, Far Cry 4, Far Cry Primal, want to replay Witcher 2 and 3, replay Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, the list goes on and on.)
You could skip AC Syndicate, FO4, Far Cry Primal and DX:MD and not really miss them. Especially as DX:MD is a replay, geez. Shelve that puppy indefinitely.
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I'm not an Anthem skeptic, not really. I'm just not interested. Nothing I've seen so far makes me say, "I want to play that!"
Part of my problem is my gaming backlog is huge. Anthem isn't just competing against the games of its time, but against games of the past few years. (Quantum Break, Alien: Isolation, Assassin's Creed Syndicate and Origins, Fallout 4, Far Cry 4, Far Cry Primal, want to replay Witcher 2 and 3, replay Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, the list goes on and on.)
You could skip AC Syndicate, FO4, Far Cry Primal and DX:MD and not really miss them. Especially as DX:MD is a replay, geez. Shelve that puppy indefinitely.
I liked DX:MD. Not a classic like Human Revolution, but still a decent game imo. Side-quests and story DLC are excellent.
You could skip AC Syndicate, FO4, Far Cry Primal and DX:MD and not really miss them. Especially as DX:MD is a replay, geez. Shelve that puppy indefinitely.
I liked DX:MD. Not a classic like Human Revolution, but still a decent game imo. Side-quests and story DLC are excellent.
Also FO4 is a great game. Far cry 4, if you liked Far cry 3 sure, go for it. Its basically the same game just with a different villain.
I'm not an Anthem skeptic, not really. I'm just not interested. Nothing I've seen so far makes me say, "I want to play that!"
Part of my problem is my gaming backlog is huge. Anthem isn't just competing against the games of its time, but against games of the past few years. (Quantum Break, Alien: Isolation, Assassin's Creed Syndicate and Origins, Fallout 4, Far Cry 4, Far Cry Primal, want to replay Witcher 2 and 3, replay Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, the list goes on and on.)
You could skip AC Syndicate, FO4, Far Cry Primal and DX:MD and not really miss them. Especially as DX:MD is a replay, geez. Shelve that puppy indefinitely.
Even though AC Syndicate has the definite feeling of Deja Vu, I think it was probably one of the AC games I have enjoyed the most in recent memory especially after Unity.
Look, everyone is going to find a favorite on the list they don't want cut, but OP's problem is that he has too deep a backlog. Something has to give! And all of the ones I listed are sufficiently flawed to, at least, get pushed further down the list so that better games can rise to the top. Doesn't have to be Anthem. Plenty of known quantities that are newer than FO4 and ACS that should get priority. I don't even understand how ACS could be considered over ACO. Let alone replays of anything.
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I think is safe to say that BioWare has been officially screwed at this point.
Might be overeating a little bit IMO. He's apparently a good writer, I've liked what I've heard he has done in games and his books get good reviews. But, its not like he is the only writer of theirs whose stuff I liked.
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Might be overeating a little bit IMO. He's apparently a good writer, I've liked what I've heard he has done in games and his books get good reviews. But, its not like he is the only writer of theirs whose stuff I liked.
I’ve actually seen this view go around a bit. Some people have hyped up Drew to the point where you’d think he was the only capable writer to ever work at Bioware.
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A talented, well-known video game writer/designer leaves one of the biggest Bioware games, Anthem, since he has better opportunities elsewhere.
Or, a successful author leaves BioWare, which he actually rejoined for SWTOR, at a stage where the (initial) writing on Anthem has to be finished. I think you're reading too far into this.
This time, I’m leaving to pursue a number of other projects, including more original novels, an original sci-fi graphic novel I’m co-creating, and freelance gaming work.
BioWare are c***s
I can't stop playing Dragon Age please send help actually don't just send Cullen thankyouplease
I think is safe to say that BioWare has been officially screwed at this point.
Might be overeating a little bit IMO. He's apparently a good writer, I've liked what I've heard he has done in games and his books get good reviews. But, its not like he is the only writer of theirs whose stuff I liked.
Lot of key devs were leaving BioWare during the development of Andromeda, and look how that turned out.
Might be overeating a little bit IMO. He's apparently a good writer, I've liked what I've heard he has done in games and his books get good reviews. But, its not like he is the only writer of theirs whose stuff I liked.
Lot of key devs were leaving BioWare during the development of Andromeda, and look how that turned out.
We will see, but you are right. A lot of devs were leaving during MEA and people dismissed it. Now you have a few high profile people leave on Anthem when apparently Bioware is going all in with this one. We shall see.
So, I know a Lead Animator left and Drew, who is a writer...
What key devs are leaving Anthem?
Also, considering the Devs that left ME:A were the ones who pushed procedural planets for 3 years before Mac had to come in and right the ship, were those guys a big loss?
I think is safe to say that BioWare has been officially screwed at this point.
This has been obvious for a long time. The very best game writers -- Hideo Kojima, Yoko Taro, Chris Avellone, Erik Wolpaw, Ken Levine and Ron Gilbert -- have never even worked on Anthem! If that's not a vote of "no confidence" in Bioware and EA, I don't know what is.
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