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Post by warden on Apr 1, 2018 18:06:48 GMT
Does Anthem need those kinds of numbers to be successful? All depends of what kind of expectations EA has for the game to make I guess
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Post by slimgrin727 on Apr 1, 2018 18:37:18 GMT
Does Anthem need those kinds of numbers to be successful? They're going into the online MP space so I guarantee EA has very high sales expectations.
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 1, 2018 18:46:18 GMT
Does Anthem need those kinds of numbers to be successful? They're going into the online MP space so I guarantee EA has very high sales expectations. High is one thing. Expecting GTA V and PUBG levels of success is another.
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Post by river82 on Apr 1, 2018 20:51:32 GMT
Does Anthem need those kinds of numbers to be successful? It's impossible to know without first knowing (for example) how much money was spent on the thing. My chief worry is that Anthem has been in development for a long time, and it seems to have a lot of resources devoted to it. The more resources the more money it needs to make to be successful (although if they want players to play the game for "ten years" maybe they don't need as many initial sales ...)
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Post by vhiran on Apr 1, 2018 21:31:34 GMT
Meh, Monster Hunter World was an immense success in the Jan release slot, no reason Anthem can't be. Unless it's bad, but that remains to be seen.
Frankly even mediocre games can sell extremely well as long as they hype them enough. (Destiny 2)
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 1, 2018 23:54:34 GMT
Meh, Monster Hunter World was an immense success in the Jan release slot, no reason Anthem can't be. Unless it's bad, but that remains to be seen. Frankly even mediocre games can sell extremely well as long as they hype them enough. (Destiny 2) Nah, the thing is, while D2 has downgrades over D1 it's still impressive to look at aesthetically and graphically as well as how polished it is on consoles and pc, and the actual mechanics for the gameplay (balancing aside) is some tight stuff, tighter than CoD which many think is the best shooter, in my book at least. BioWare has historically struggled with making AAA-competent MECHANICS while games like ME3, Andromeda and Anthem are games that really aim to please that target audience that enjoys such things. That's where I mostly worry about Anthem. It's that, and Netcode. This is pretty lethal if it isn't up to snuff because it can kill long-term enjoyment. The issue with D2 is not that it's a broken game or unfun. It's that once you reach the endgame, max-level and start entering the part where you just look for improved loot, get competitive with other players, and there's no more story in the game (probably 20-30 hours in) it gets bad because the balancing isn't there to encourage long-term play. The damage modifiers in PvP drag down the competitive nature of the game and the loot itself lacks the kind of variety and depth of customization that D1 had, even around its launch because Bungie streamlined it. It's 100% a competent, high-calibre AAA game, but because players are so invested historically with D1 and then D2 the outcry is louder and it makes it seem like the game is total dumpster fire which it hella isn't.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 2, 2018 10:22:02 GMT
Does Anthem need those kinds of numbers to be successful? That comparison is ridiculous. EA and Bioware will be way more conservative in their expectations.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 2, 2018 13:37:53 GMT
Does Anthem need those kinds of numbers to be successful? That comparison is ridiculous. EA and Bioware will be way more conservative in their expectations. Knowing EA they won't be. In fact, there's so many ways they're blindly setting BioWare up for company suicide with this game.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 2, 2018 14:46:56 GMT
That comparison is ridiculous. EA and Bioware will be way more conservative in their expectations. Knowing EA they won't be. In fact, there's so many ways they're blindly setting BioWare up for company suicide with this game. That you are speculating is indeed a fact, but your speculation is not in fact a fact.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 2, 2018 14:55:56 GMT
Knowing EA they won't be. In fact, there's so many ways they're blindly setting BioWare up for company suicide with this game. That you are speculating is indeed a fact, but your speculation is not in fact a fact. How is it even speculation. It can't be fact to say they've set BioWare up for suicide when the game has not launched yet. You can't factaulize the future, so there's not even any reason to call me out for fact-claiming.
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 2, 2018 17:17:51 GMT
That you are speculating is indeed a fact, but your speculation is not in fact a fact. How is it even speculation. It can't be fact to say they've set BioWare up for suicide when the game has not launched yet. You can't factaulize the future, so there's not even any reason to call me out for fact-claiming. Claiming that Bioware has been set up for failure without knowing the budget of the game or EA’s expectations for it is pretty darn speculative: Even presuming EA expects sales on the same level as PUBG and GTA V is quite speculative.
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Post by hivemind on Apr 2, 2018 18:05:53 GMT
How is it even speculation. It can't be fact to say they've set BioWare up for suicide when the game has not launched yet. You can't factaulize the future, so there's not even any reason to call me out for fact-claiming. Claiming that Bioware has been set up for failure without knowing the budget of the game or EA’s expectations for it is pretty darn speculative: Even presuming EA expects sales on the same level as PUBG and GTA V is quite speculative. We may not know the exact amount of dollars EA has put into Anthem, but we already know that the development goes on since 2012, and that at this point there is an exorbitant amount of people doing nothing but this game. Whatever the numbers are - they're big.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 2, 2018 18:15:01 GMT
It's not a stretch to say that chasing a goldmine akin to Destiny, which is currently failing, expecting a studio with no experience of this sort of game to do what others have done, sustain it for 10 years, even break records in the opening weeks, when the past two huge projects largely were met with scrutiny from players and mixed to strong acclaim from critics, is a super shaky decisionmaking by EA or BioWare.
If Anthem was just some experiment that could ship and gain traction or stagnate and then we move on, no worries but this is the third BioWare next-gen project and more and more as time goes on people have become increasingly skeptical of BioWare's talent with making these kinds of huge open-ended games. Now they're trying to do something even more resourceful and their endeavours into MMO while liked by a dedicated userbase by the end did not meet EA's expectations in the long run. SWTOR started strong and then declined very similar to the decline of Destiny 2 actually. The problem is, with Destiny and Division already on the market, is Anthem really going to seem interesting to that target audience? Live-service games is also life-service, people usually pick one and stick with it unless it starts failing. EA trusting BioWare to do this kind of game in the first place weirds me out.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 2, 2018 18:30:38 GMT
It's not a stretch to say that chasing a goldmine akin to Destiny, which is currently failing, expecting a studio with no experience of this sort of game to do what others have done, sustain it for 10 years, even break records in the opening weeks, when the past two huge projects largely were met with scrutiny from players and mixed to strong acclaim from critics, is a super shaky decisionmaking by EA or BioWare. If Anthem was just some experiment that could ship and gain traction or stagnate and then we move on, no worries but this is the third BioWare next-gen project and more and more as time goes on people have become increasingly skeptical of BioWare's talent with making these kinds of huge open-ended games. Now they're trying to do something even more resourceful and their endeavours into MMO while liked by a dedicated userbase by the end did not meet EA's expectations in the long run. SWTOR started strong and then declined very similar to the decline of Destiny 2 actually. The problem is, with Destiny and Division already on the market, is Anthem really going to seem interesting to that target audience? Live-service games is also life-service, people usually pick one and stick with it unless it starts failing. EA trusting BioWare to do this kind of game in the first place weirds me out. Honestly, if Bioware wanted to jump into the MP pool, I would have hoped they'd go the NWN route. Single player or multiplayer dungeons, player-created content, dedicated servers.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 2, 2018 20:44:45 GMT
Claiming that Bioware has been set up for failure without knowing the budget of the game or EA’s expectations for it is pretty darn speculative: Even presuming EA expects sales on the same level as PUBG and GTA V is quite speculative. We may not know the exact amount of dollars EA has put into Anthem, but we already know that the development goes on since 2012, and that at this point there is an exorbitant amount of people doing othing but this game. Whatever the numbers are - they're big. Hm... Going back to recent Bio games, it appears to me that actual work on the games starts around 24 months before launch. The other times are for game concepts, game design, art concepts, story board and initial testing of said concepts. So, in terms of the number of people on the project, the normal ramp up starts at around launch date minus 24 months (appx.). Be as it may, EA's $ sales expectation is big (imo) to make up for the lowest number of games launched in 2018. This is why EA has cemented (imo) the launch date to Mar 2019 because it is the last financial Q for 2018. Investors like to see a steady sales growth. They've been spooked already by SWBF2.
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 2, 2018 20:53:10 GMT
Claiming that Bioware has been set up for failure without knowing the budget of the game or EA’s expectations for it is pretty darn speculative: Even presuming EA expects sales on the same level as PUBG and GTA V is quite speculative. We may not know the exact amount of dollars EA has put into Anthem, but we already know that the development goes on since 2012, and that at this point there is an exorbitant amount of people doing nothing but this game. Whatever the numbers are - they're big. Probably, but like I said, “big” is a wide range,
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 2, 2018 21:08:40 GMT
It's not a stretch to say that chasing a goldmine akin to Destiny, which is currently failing, expecting a studio with no experience of this sort of game to do what others have done, sustain it for 10 years, even break records in the opening weeks, when the past two huge projects largely were met with scrutiny from players and mixed to strong acclaim from critics, is a super shaky decisionmaking by EA or BioWare. If Anthem was just some experiment that could ship and gain traction or stagnate and then we move on, no worries but this is the third BioWare next-gen project and more and more as time goes on people have become increasingly skeptical of BioWare's talent with making these kinds of huge open-ended games. Now they're trying to do something even more resourceful and their endeavours into MMO while liked by a dedicated userbase by the end did not meet EA's expectations in the long run. SWTOR started strong and then declined very similar to the decline of Destiny 2 actually. The problem is, with Destiny and Division already on the market, is Anthem really going to seem interesting to that target audience? Live-service games is also life-service, people usually pick one and stick with it unless it starts failing. EA trusting BioWare to do this kind of game in the first place weirds me out.
In terms of life sustainability, one could say that Titan Fall was a dud. That SWBF1 was also a dud . Why even the first Mirror's Edge was a dud.... personally I doubt the 10 year lifespan is an internal goal by EA... it's all marketing crap.
On the other hand, Bio encountered severe backlash with the ME3 ending, were "laughed at" with MEA, ... all self inflicted wounds. The studio does absolutely need to bat the ball out of the ballpark. Success here means a reprieve = lots of $$$ income and perhaps some form of a blessing from EA. Success may even be a luck charm for DA4.
My question is what kind of competition will exist in Mar 2019? Have the "core players" that EA needs already invested time and money in comparable games four months or so before Anthem entered the picture?
You know, it could be just a question of timing and LBs / MTXs and level progression and retaining player interest.
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 2, 2018 21:16:59 GMT
It's not a stretch to say that chasing a goldmine akin to Destiny, which is currently failing, expecting a studio with no experience of this sort of game to do what others have done, sustain it for 10 years, even break records in the opening weeks, when the past two huge projects largely were met with scrutiny from players and mixed to strong acclaim from critics, is a super shaky decisionmaking by EA or BioWare. If Anthem was just some experiment that could ship and gain traction or stagnate and then we move on, no worries but this is the third BioWare next-gen project and more and more as time goes on people have become increasingly skeptical of BioWare's talent with making these kinds of huge open-ended games. Now they're trying to do something even more resourceful and their endeavours into MMO while liked by a dedicated userbase by the end did not meet EA's expectations in the long run. SWTOR started strong and then declined very similar to the decline of Destiny 2 actually. The problem is, with Destiny and Division already on the market, is Anthem really going to seem interesting to that target audience? Live-service games is also life-service, people usually pick one and stick with it unless it starts failing. EA trusting BioWare to do this kind of game in the first place weirds me out.
In terms of life sustainability, one could say that Titan Fall was a dud. That SWBF1 was also a dud . Why even the first Mirror's Edge was a dud.... personally I doubt the 10 year lifespan is an internal goal by EA... it's all marketing crap.
I’m pretty sure the initial statement was only to a “hope” of a ten year lifespan, then people latched onto it because it sounded similar to Bungie’s ten year contract to produce Destiny content with Activision.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 2, 2018 21:26:30 GMT
In terms of life sustainability, one could say that Titan Fall was a dud. That SWBF1 was also a dud . Why even the first Mirror's Edge was a dud.... personally I doubt the 10 year lifespan is an internal goal by EA... it's all marketing crap.
I’m pretty sure the initial statement was only to a “hope” of a ten year lifespan, then people latched onto it because it sounded similar to Bungie’s ten year contract to produce Destiny content with Activision.
Which to me proves that EA / Bio is full of it and that they insist on pulling the wool over our eyes every time. Nevertheless, I don't remember reading "hope" in the initial announcement = proves marketing crap.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 2, 2018 23:52:57 GMT
I was thinking.
Bio is throwing a "battalion" of people to work on Anthem. Unfortunately, this rarely guarantees a good game.
My view is that very many of them are artists, told to create thousands of worthless items in beautiful rainbow colours for the LBs or drop crates or "tech discoveries" scattered all over the place. I'm thinking 15 different Javelin boots with 10 colours each with various low upgrade points. And this is to flood your miserable stash chest that only hold 25 items with a MTx to get a 40 item one. You know the routine, colour items in white, blue, green, red, purple with LBs / drop crates that contain white items 90% of the time.
Those players that resist the temptation have iron will.
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Post by cloud9 on Apr 5, 2018 5:35:33 GMT
Listen to Aaron Flynn's bullshit to cover up EA's dirt with obvious lies. Good thing he left, though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 10:58:22 GMT
My only concern about Anthem is that it is online only and in that case they will loose me as a player so and f*ck you EA.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 14:38:14 GMT
My only concern about Anthem is that it is online only and in that case they will loose me as a player so and f*ck you EA. She was sö höt. I haven't seen her recently thöugh. ön töpic: Söme önline önly games can be played solö.
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Post by General Mahad on Apr 28, 2018 6:28:47 GMT
I mean, it’s an interesting concept and the Javelins look dope.
But the fact there’s co-op/MP in the main story gives me a bad taste.
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Post by Sartoz on Apr 28, 2018 23:49:52 GMT
I mean, it’s an interesting concept and the Javelins look dope. But the fact there’s co-op/MP in the main story gives me a bad taste.
Agreed. Four player co-op, in my experience, is rather limited.
Aside from the usual fanfare, what will make this one unique? (1) The story? You are the protagonist with three other 'friends". Where is the deep char story? How will your char progress? Abilities/skills ?
(2) What decisions will you be presented that changes the world?
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