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Post by akots on Jun 11, 2018 2:18:36 GMT
The trailers look exactly like enlarged Andromeda, even animations look suspiciously similar. I think, they are reusing the assets. It does not look good.
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Post by Gileadan on Jun 11, 2018 7:49:33 GMT
I’m still hoping as we learn more it will seem more interesting. Some stories are hard to summarize/tease and BW is really not the best at making trailers that tell you the good stuff. Very true. I still remember how long I put off playing The Longest Journey because the story teasers just didn't do it for me. When I actually started playing, I was hooked within two minutes...
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Post by link2twenty on Jun 11, 2018 8:52:18 GMT
My main hope for this game is that Bioware finally gets the frostbite engine to a place where they can use it in their other games without it looking/feeling forced. Though I'm not sure how many RPG elements Anthem will bring to the table.
So far I think it looks quite nice but we've not seen anything deeper than walking a character around really so I'll reserve judgment.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 11, 2018 9:24:56 GMT
Right now Anthem feels like an Early Access promise of something interesting eventually coming. For sure! Trust us! But it's not there yet. At least they didn't show it.
They keep TALKING about all these stories they can tell in the future. A living evolving narrative. But at the same time they are being so damn vague about the entire setting, it feels like they don't eve know where they want to go with the game. And at this stage this is really odd.
I hope I'm wrong and they are just showing flashy gameplay because people like that and keeping the story under wraps. Which is fine. But I personally can't connected with Anthem at all right now. Like it has been said, a faceless shooter in a random jungle without ANY emotional hook. Or unique gameplay feature. Nothing.
Please let this just be bad marketing. Or wrong marketing for me since it seems to do something for some people.
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Post by Pokemario on Jun 11, 2018 12:49:25 GMT
Never thought I would write in one of the "skepticism" threads on the BSN . So, Anthem was showcased two days ago during the EA conference. The gameplay looked solid, and I can definitely see myself playing this game with some friends. I was, however, left with the same doubts and fears that I had when the game was first showcased last year at the Microsoft Conference. To me it looked a lot like a more-of-the-same of last year's. Sure, it showed some of the differnt classes and their abilities - but they didn't even showcase ALL the Javelins: we saw next to nothing regarding the Storm, and we only saw the Interceptor when it saved the Ranger in the cinematic trailer (does that make it a support class? And yet it's giving people an assassin vibe). Instead, the focus seemed to be on the spectacular visuals and environments ( AGAIN). I know I personally would have preferred if they showed a bit of Fort Tarsis, maybe even some actual conversation with NPCs. Or, perhaps, some more detailed gameplay. Anyway... Most of the questions many had were answered off-stage, on Twitter or on the Game Informer website. They mostly answered technical stuff, but also dropped the bomb of no romances (which are apparently being replaced by more in-depth friendship relationships?), no AI party members, limited character creator and "limited dialogue choices". They also insisted that the game can be played solo, but tried to keep it vague when questioned on whether it would have been more difficult to do so. The fact that all this information was released off-stage makes me somewhat skeptical. Let's go over the points I mentioned before: - No romances. Not so long ago, BioWare revealed that romances are incredibly expensive. I doubt they would have removed a feature that has become iconic for BioWare games over the years if they had intended to put the resources behind it towards a similar "friendship" system. I see it far more likely that they didn't want to pull funding from other departments, which could have harmed the gameplay. Which might have been understable, if this wasn't BioWare we're talking about.
- No AI Party Members. There will be NPCs that sort-of act like DAI's advisors. I am fine with that. I am, however, worried that there might be too few "companions", or not enough dialogue with them. So far they've only confirmed three characters that will accompany you during your journey. I'm hoping for more.
- Limited dialogue choices. I don't think I even need to explain why I'm skeptical about this. We've had two cinematic trailers and two gameplay trailers, and we're yet to see how this new, more limited conversation system works. In one of the gameplay trailers, we see our character talk to someone... and the dialogue wheel doesn't come up once. It's just auto-dialogue. I was hoping it was simply because this was an old build of the game, but now... I'm not so sure. Mass Effect 3 was already more limited than other BioWare games by only offering two choices in the dialogue wheel (besides the "Investigate" options), so I'm wondering: how can they be more limited than that and still be offering a choice?
- Limited character creator. How limited are we talking about here? Like, more limited than Andromeda's was at release? If so, that's disappointing, even though I'm sure that, however limited it's going to be, we're going to be able to make our pilots have a unique appearance. What I'm really worried about is that they justified this decision by saying that they wanted to focus more on the Javelin personalization. To me this reads like they want their consumers to be more invested in the time spent outside Fort Tarsis (which is apparently where the storytelling happens) than inside. It's like they're saying "in this game, gameplay > story".
Overall, until we see more of the narrative side of the game, I'm having trouble understanding why Anthem is being developed by BioWare. This doesn't look anything like a BioWare game to me. Hell, Dying Light 2 looks more like a BioWare game to me. Why is a studio known for their storytelling and impactful decisions creating an action game? I understand that they might want to try something new. But look at what Bethesda is doing with Fallout 76: they're trying their hand at multiplayer without giving up too much of what their games are like. Or, at least, that's how it feels to me, and I'm someone who disliked every Fallout game and who thinks that The Elder Scrolls is ovverated. Still, Anthem looks fun and I'll probably get it. Problem is, I'm not getting it for its story components.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 11, 2018 14:55:12 GMT
Is it too soon to say "I told you so"?
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Post by goishen on Jun 11, 2018 15:02:29 GMT
I disliked every Fallout game ever until MEA came out and it forced me to play FO4, simply to get my mind off of how much I hated MEA.
Turns out, it's a great game. Reach Diamond City and then tell me how much you hate it.
Before then? Meh.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 11, 2018 15:13:00 GMT
Is it too soon to say "I told you so"? I haven’t been here much the last year or so, but it was clear the game would be wildly different from their previous ones, regardless of what story content will be in. Which, while I’m not completely fond of, is fine in the sense that they can make a new IP different from their previous ones. My concern would be mostly on how Anthem will affect DA4, or if they’d use this new game, which if successful can be on for years, as a fulfillment of all the MP/online desires of EA, and focus more on their traditional approach with DA4. We can just wait and see at this point.
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Post by jamiecotc on Jun 11, 2018 15:27:40 GMT
It’s pretty, but it also looks so generic w/ what seems a very typical BW story. While I liked ME3’s MP as a side dish, a game built around it doesn’t sound appealing, especially when it looks more like MEA MP. On the other hand, a lot of BW fanboys and fangirls have been clamoring for co-op in Mass Effect for years. Maybe Anthem will quench that thirst, so they can leave ME and DA alone. While I’m likely to give Anthem a pass, I still hope it succeeds so BW can stay in business long enough to make up for MEA.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 11, 2018 15:30:03 GMT
Is it too soon to say "I told you so"? I haven’t been here much the last year or so, but it was clear the game would be wildly different from their previous ones, regardless of what story content will be in. Which, while I’m not completely fond of, is fine in the sense that they can make a new IP different from their previous ones. My concern would be mostly on how Anthem will affect DA4, or if they’d use this new game, which if successful can be on for years, as a fulfillment of all the MP/online desires of EA, and focus more on their traditional approach with DA4. We can just wait and see at this point. Do you seriously believe that if Anthem is successful, EA will allow DA4 to focus on "traditional approaches"? No, I think this is the new normal for Bioware going forward.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 11, 2018 15:45:31 GMT
I very much want Anthem to be successful so that Bioware gets to finish DA4. Seeing how EA goes about closing studies and ditching singleplayer games many people were looking forward to (that Star Wars game) because it didn't look very profitable, I have my doubts Bioware would survive Anthem being the second disaster in a row. Even if Anthem ends up so unappealing to me that I don't buy it, I sincerely hope they do manage to suck up all those (disappointed) Destiny players they are clearly aiming for. Let them have their fun. All I want at this point is a good Dragon Age game (preferably without MP). Make DA4 the final game and give us closure to all these unanswered questions. It's all I'm asking for. For Bioware to go out with dignity if this is where things are headed. If the end isn't nigh, then please make a new SINGLEPLAYER franchise next like Bethesda is doing with Starfield. Pretty please?
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Post by goishen on Jun 11, 2018 15:52:02 GMT
EA's EA Play was an investor conference. It wasn't for the gamers by the gamers.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 11, 2018 15:56:17 GMT
I haven’t been here much the last year or so, but it was clear the game would be wildly different from their previous ones, regardless of what story content will be in. Which, while I’m not completely fond of, is fine in the sense that they can make a new IP different from their previous ones. My concern would be mostly on how Anthem will affect DA4, or if they’d use this new game, which if successful can be on for years, as a fulfillment of all the MP/online desires of EA, and focus more on their traditional approach with DA4. We can just wait and see at this point. Do you seriously believe that if Anthem is successful, EA will allow DA4 to focus on "traditional approaches"? No, I think this is the new normal for Bioware going forward. I think there’s a possibility. While completely different companies, it’s what GameFreak/Nintendo are doing with Pokémon. Releasing a hybrid between their traditional games with the mobile game, while developing a traditional Pokémon game for next year. I do howewer, remain cautious, since your theory is still a likely possibility. Unfortunately, it’d take at least next year to know that.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 11, 2018 17:01:55 GMT
So...
it's confirmed that Anthem is a 1-4 co-op game. Also confirmed from the trailer that the pacing is slow. If someone is used to ME3MP / MEAMP and the BF series... this game is for septuagenarians.
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Post by abedsbrother on Jun 11, 2018 17:41:31 GMT
I wasn't as disappointed in the Anthem stuff at E3 as I thought I would be. But now that I've seen what other companies / devs have in their respective pipelines, I feel sorry for BioWare.
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Post by Sifr on Jun 11, 2018 19:06:35 GMT
They keep TALKING about all these stories they can tell in the future. A living evolving narrative. But at the same time they are being so damn vague about the entire setting, it feels like they don't eve know where they want to go with the game. And at this stage this is really odd. Exactly, it's coming out in February and they still haven't said what the actual story is about?
What are we doing there and what is our ultimate goal? Who are our companions or do we even have any? What is the "anthem" and why is it even important? Flying around in a discount Iron Man suit is cool and everything, but maybe they should tell us what we actually need it for?
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Post by I'm Not Dead Just Yet on Jun 11, 2018 19:11:42 GMT
I was never excited for Anthem to begin with, but the latest showcase has me feeling incredibly underwhelmed and disinterested enough to want to buy it. Everything seems so "generic" and nothing jumps out at me like "Oh wow, I can't wait to do that!" The suits are kind of interesting I guess, especially since we can freely swap and customize them. Most people are praising the freedom of movement which I totally don't understand, it looks like I'd get over the intial enjoyment of being able walk, fly, hover, swim, etc. at will very quickly, and world exploration will not be as rewarding when you can literally go and move anywhere, you'll miss a lot of details when you're flying to your objective 90% of the time. The gunplay and combat looks not much different from Mass Effect or most third person shooters: gunplay is just more guns, and "biotic/tech" combos return. The environment screams "Andromeda!" whichever way I look at it, which is a massive turn off for me. Even the story, from what little we know so far, feels overdone: Humanity, or "the good guys", are on the brink of extinction/doom, have one last safe haven/city/citadel, have to fight back the baddies that want to kill us and take/kill the source of our power, have to reclaim lost land, blah. I was hoping it would be a Destiny competitor but it looks closer to a Borderlands clone with a boring skin.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jun 11, 2018 19:44:56 GMT
Is it too soon to say "I told you so"? Be specific. I can also claim I told you so, but for very positive things. Like no pay2win FOREVER.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jun 11, 2018 19:48:28 GMT
They keep TALKING about all these stories they can tell in the future. A living evolving narrative. But at the same time they are being so damn vague about the entire setting, it feels like they don't eve know where they want to go with the game. And at this stage this is really odd. Exactly, it's coming out in February and they still haven't said what the actual story is about?
What are we doing there and what is our ultimate goal? Who are our companions or do we even have any? What is the "anthem" and why is it even important? Flying around in a discount Iron Man suit is cool and everything, but maybe they should tell us what we actually need it for? While not a fully detailed fan wiki, they did say something about all of the above. See the Twitter thread and the Mark Darrah Q&A thread. For example, the opposition is a human faction called the Dominion, who thinks they own the Anthem of Creation technology.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2018 20:12:23 GMT
Is it too soon to say "I told you so"? Be specific. I can also claim I told you so, but for very positive things. Like no pay2win FOREVER. More like no pay2win until EA think they can get away with it again. Yes that's the cynic in me talking.
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Post by mugwump v1 on Jun 11, 2018 20:18:51 GMT
Exactly, it's coming out in February and they still haven't said what the actual story is about?
What are we doing there and what is our ultimate goal? Who are our companions or do we even have any? What is the "anthem" and why is it even important? Flying around in a discount Iron Man suit is cool and everything, but maybe they should tell us what we actually need it for? While not a fully detailed fan wiki, they did say something about all of the above. See the Twitter thread and the Mark Darrah Q&A thread. For example, the opposition is a human faction called the Dominion, who thinks they own the Anthem of Creation technology. Are you being employed to repeat things people already know in answer to questions they haven't asked, or have you just had a little too much coffee today?
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Post by Iakus on Jun 11, 2018 20:22:13 GMT
Is it too soon to say "I told you so"? Be specific. I can also claim I told you so, but for very positive things. Like no pay2win FOREVER. No companions, always online, extremely Andromeda-esque sounding story, no romances, this game practically screams "Destiny clone!"
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 11, 2018 20:44:30 GMT
I was never excited for Anthem to begin with, but the latest showcase has me feeling incredibly underwhelmed and disinterested enough to want to buy it. Everything seems so "generic" and nothing jumps out at me like "Oh wow, I can't wait to do that!" The suits are kind of interesting I guess, especially since we can freely swap and customize them. Most people are praising the freedom of movement which I totally don't understand, it looks like I'd get over the intial enjoyment of being able walk, fly, hover, swim, etc. at will very quickly, and world exploration will not be as rewarding when you can literally go and move anywhere, you'll miss a lot of details when you're flying to your objective 90% of the time. The gunplay and combat looks not much different from Mass Effect or most third person shooters: gunplay is just more guns, and "biotic/tech" combos return. The environment screams "Andromeda!" whichever way I look at it, which is a massive turn off for me. Even the story, from what little we know so far, feels overdone: Humanity, or "the good guys", are on the brink of extinction/doom, have one last safe haven/city/citadel, have to fight back the baddies that want to kill us and take/kill the source of our power, have to reclaim lost land, blah. I was hoping it would be a Destiny competitor but it looks closer to a Borderlands clone with a boring skin.
When i first heard of Anthem i thought, well this is Bioware the company behind some fantastic IP's so there's got to be more to it in terms of detailed lore. However the description of the setting in the most recent launch just felt hey let's throw something at a wall about gods and go shoot some monsters in a jungle. How does the setting work. Where are the settlements? Is it just Fort wherever, then how are we funding, building, supporting the powerrangers. we few extremely well armed Heroes vs the evil dominion feels rather lazy too but i guess that's what they feel people want.
It looks nice for a jungle i suppose but is jungle warfare it?
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Post by goishen on Jun 11, 2018 20:53:51 GMT
The entire idea of an "Anthem Of Creation" is boring AF to me.
It's like when your friend, who you know is wrong, is sitting there explaining conspiracy theories about the moon landing and you just let him peter out, because you know that it will take less time for him to peter out than if you were to argue with him.
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Post by spacev3gan on Jun 11, 2018 22:48:20 GMT
My main concern with this game is plain and simple: how long will it last?
Bioware has screwed up its track for me with Andromeda. I was hyped up for it, particularly for its Multiplayer content. I convinced 4 friends of mine to buy the game. For a reason no other than hype, I thought Bioware would merge what they had learnt from DAIMP and ME3MP and really deliver something greater. And when it came out I started investing tons of time into it. I sat on the Top 10 PC Leaderboards for quite a while. Most people on the forums were complaining about the game (regarding both its SP and MP content), and whenever I had a chance I would defend the game and Bioware's decisions at the time. I was to a point, well, what one could call a fanboy. In August though, 5 months after the game was out, Bioware officially announced what had already been speculated by some: no more new content, neither for SP nor MP. No Quarian Arc, no Geths nor Volus in MP (some of the most loved races back in ME3MP), nothing else to be added. Game over. I had invested 1,007 hours into Andromeda, and then I simply decided to quit it altogether.
Bioware (or EA if you will) didn't show any commitment to support Andromeda when it was clear that the game was not profitable enough. The game simply lasted for as long it was able to make money. It didn't matter the fact that it carried the Mass Effect name with it, or the fact that it was Bioware's most expensive game thus far. Bioware just moved on.
Recently I've been playing Destiny 2 (closing 1k hours played) and despite some negativity that the game has received by many players, Bungie and Activision have a 10-year contract to honor and to keep the franchise going. We are in the year 4 of that contract and right now the roadmap ahead of Destiny 2 (which is almost 1 year old) looks more promising than ever, and even more promising than the franchise has ever been at. And that happens simply because the developer is committed to a long term contract. More DLCs, Seasons, Add-ons, New games, whatever. They have to keep the franchise going. And as a hardcore gamer, I like the idea. I want something that I can play long-term.
Now we come to Anthem. Bioware has no contract of that sort whatsoever, and they have already made it clear that supporting their game is only good as long as it is profitable. Can hardcore players get in and play Anthem for hundreds of hours knowing that the time they invested in won't be scrapped? Will the game live past 12 months? What about 2 years? Or just 5 months like Andromeda?
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