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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 16:01:47 GMT
Well - you set out to oppose it, having used the word "opposite". What I originally said was this: So, what exactly is it that you feel you need to argue against? As an aside, I've spent > 1000 hours in MEA, and would not say I've mastered the controls, since I still occasionally miss a ledge. I’m only providing a another account against the idea that the controls are particularly difficult to master. If controls are typically something you struggle with, I suppose it will probably be the same here. Where did I suggest the controls would be particularly difficult to master? The phrase I used was "takes awhile to master the controls.". For some people that "awhile" may be a few minutes, for others many hours. Perhaps you're reading things into my comments that were not there?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 16:06:45 GMT
Well - you set out to oppose it, having used the word "opposite". In situations like this, try reversing positions and seeing if your statements and the other person's are reasonable. Suppose Heimdall had said, "I heard a reviewer say that the damage numbers and combo tags are too large and distracting." You read this and recall that you had heard three reviewers say, "They damage numbers and combos are awesome cool!" Your choices are: 1. Say nothing and let people assume that the one reviewers' opinion is the only one expressed so far, leaving the impression that the combos tags and numbers are distracting to all reviewers, or at least, they made no comment on it. 2. Reply that you heard other opinions that are the complete reverse of what that one reviewer said. (BTW: in context, "opposite" is used in reference to the reviewer opinion, not to the intent of the reply.) Thereby letting other readers know there is a diversity of opinions on that topic. Which would you choose @pasquale? Thanks for the advice. I always appreciate the great advice I get in this forum. Your analogy doesn't work here, since I said nothing so specific as either example you provided. Nitpicking over other people's opinions is a waste of time, imho. I wouldn't bother.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 14, 2018 16:11:45 GMT
I’m only providing a another account against the idea that the controls are particularly difficult to master. If controls are typically something you struggle with, I suppose it will probably be the same here. Where did I suggest the controls would be particularly difficult to master? The phrase I used was "takes awhile to master the controls.". Is that not the implication? Presumably the reason it takes awhile, and that it’s worth pointing out at all, is because it’s difficult. I’ll admit my first post was a bit lazy, and I should have brought my sources up to start, but it certainly seemed to me you were bringing up the concern that the controls would be awkward or difficult to use.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jun 14, 2018 16:11:59 GMT
In situations like this, try reversing positions and seeing if your statements and the other person's are reasonable. Suppose Heimdall had said, "I heard a reviewer say that the damage numbers and combo tags are too large and distracting." You read this and recall that you had heard three reviewers say, "They damage numbers and combos are awesome cool!" Your choices are: 1. Say nothing and let people assume that the one reviewers' opinion is the only one expressed so far, leaving the impression that the combos tags and numbers are distracting to all reviewers, or at least, they made no comment on it. 2. Reply that you heard other opinions that are the complete reverse of what that one reviewer said. (BTW: in context, "opposite" is used in reference to the reviewer opinion, not to the intent of the reply.) Thereby letting other readers know there is a diversity of opinions on that topic. Which would you choose @pasquale ? Thanks for the advice. I always appreciate the great advice I get in this forum. Your analogy doesn't work here, since I said nothing so specific as either example you provided. You're mistaken about that. At the very least, two people now have taken it as more specific than you thought. And yet, you have. Several times now. Your actions seem to be at odds with what you write.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 16:18:23 GMT
Where did I suggest the controls would be particularly difficult to master? The phrase I used was "takes awhile to master the controls.". Is that not the implication? Presumably the reason it takes awhile, and that it’s worth pointing out at all, is because it’s difficult. I’ll admit my first post was a bit lazy, and I should have brought my sources up to start, but it certainly seemed to me you were bringing up the concern that the controls would be awkward or difficult to use. What a shocker! New game has new controls to learn and master!
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 14, 2018 16:19:46 GMT
Is that not the implication? Presumably the reason it takes awhile, and that it’s worth pointing out at all, is because it’s difficult. I’ll admit my first post was a bit lazy, and I should have brought my sources up to start, but it certainly seemed to me you were bringing up the concern that the controls would be awkward or difficult to use. What a shocker! New game has new controls to learn and master! If it was the same as any new game, why bring it up?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 16:20:50 GMT
Thanks for the advice. I always appreciate the great advice I get in this forum. Your analogy doesn't work here, since I said nothing so specific as either example you provided. You're mistaken about that. At the very least, two people now have taken it as more specific than you thought. And yet, you have. Several times now. Your actions seem to be at odds with what you write. Yeah, well, someone felt compelled to re-interpret and argue with what I thought was a fairly obvious statement I made.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 16:23:05 GMT
What a shocker! New game has new controls to learn and master! If it was the same as any new game, why bring it up? I didn't bring it up. I was responding to someone else who mentioned an "awkward flight mechanic". But thanks for all the great, helpful discussion!
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 14, 2018 16:30:12 GMT
You're mistaken about that. At the very least, two people now have taken it as more specific than you thought. And yet, you have. Several times now. Your actions seem to be at odds with what you write. Yeah, well, someone felt compelled to re-interpret and argue with what I thought was a fairly obvious statement I made. I wasn’t arguing. You heard some impressions. I heard some impressions that contradicted those and said so.
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Post by bshep on Jun 14, 2018 16:46:27 GMT
Can't different people have a different time adjusting to the controls @pasquale ? So why all the irony and sarcasm when someone simply posted sources that said the contrary to what the one you posted said?
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 14, 2018 16:49:43 GMT
Good for you? Here's my source: I heard several people who played the demo at E3 say they were impressed by how smooth and easy to grasp the control scheme was.
Hm... Anyone paid by EA who then express total flowery adoration for the 20 min gameplay is a shill, in my book. Come, how many made negative statements about it? This game is probably still in pre-Alpha at this stage of the schedule. Yet all is honky-dory.
Did no one find this strange? I mean, what are the chances, statistically speaking. Also, I firmly believe they were put under a NDA, as no new spoilers were mentioned. Surely playing 20 minutes would reveal some (other than what was officially revealed in the DEMO)... in my opinion.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 14, 2018 16:52:17 GMT
Can't different people have a different time adjusting to the controls @pasquale ? So why all the irony and sarcasm when someone simply posted sources that said the contrary to what the one you posted said?
I use a KB. So when I do use a controller, I have two left hands, so to speak which is why I use a KB.
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Post by phoray on Jun 14, 2018 16:56:17 GMT
I don't think I could ever decide I liked a game in the first twenty minutes of gameplay. I effin adore Dragon Age.
Origins took at least an hour. DA2 took until the first Act really began. I nearly stopped playing DAI altogether until someone advised me it wasn't the game, it was the Hinterlands. That took 8+ hours
MEA, I tried the several hours demo, felt pretty meh about it. Then months later, watched a LEt's play for 6 hours of cinematic only scenes to FINALLY get me to pick up the game.
Anyone who thinks a game is amazing after 20 minutes must be so hyped up in their head they can't give a balanced opinion or have much lower standards than me.
I was honestly hyped for HZD but got more shown content before release to feel that way. I was also hyped for Detroit Become Human. They showed the entire first mission of gameplay.
I was very pleased with both those games.
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Post by bshep on Jun 14, 2018 17:02:04 GMT
Can't different people have a different time adjusting to the controls @pasquale ? So why all the irony and sarcasm when someone simply posted sources that said the contrary to what the one you posted said?
I use a KB. So when I do use a controller, I have two left hands, so to speak which is why I use a KB. Me too. I already know where all the buttons commands are on the keyboard and the mouse is better at aiming too.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 14, 2018 17:06:34 GMT
I heard several people who played the demo at E3 say they were impressed by how smooth and easy to grasp the control scheme was.
Hm... Anyone paid by EA who then express total flowery adoration for the 20 min gameplay is a shill, in my book. Come, how many made negative statements about it? This game is probably still in pre-Alpha at this stage of the schedule. Yet all is honky-dory.
Did no one find this strange? I mean, what are the chances, statistically speaking. Also, I firmly believe they were put under a NDA, as no new spoilers were mentioned. Surely playing 20 minutes would reveal some (other than what was officially revealed in the DEMO)... in my opinion.
What about people who aren’t being paid by EA?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 17:12:19 GMT
Can't different people have a different time adjusting to the controls @pasquale ? So why all the irony and sarcasm when someone simply posted sources that said the contrary to what the one you posted said? I think I've already pointed out the fact that the word "awhile" is subject to interpretation. I'm not interested in entertaining arguments with people who insist on interpreting it in a certain way and then accusing me (and the original commenters in the gameinformer video) of saying things that weren't actually said or even implied. I'm done here.
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Post by phoray on Jun 14, 2018 17:15:50 GMT
HeimdallSo all this behind closed doors stuff, they just got to fly around and kill things? So none of the story stuff I'm even interested in is being shown yet. Somebody said likely more of an info drop come Christmas? Till then.
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Post by bshep on Jun 14, 2018 17:22:57 GMT
Heimdall So all this behind closed doors stuff, they just got to fly around and kill things? So none of the story stuff I'm even interested in is being shown yet. Somebody said likely more of an info drop come Christmas? Till then. They avoided any talk about the story and lore even on twitter (at most they said the game has a codex). Chrristmas? Hell no! They better bring more info before that!
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 14, 2018 18:22:31 GMT
Chrristmas? Hell no! They better bring more info before that! Battlefield V drops October 11th. I'd expect a week and then Anthem marketing will drop like a Colossus.
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Post by bshep on Jun 14, 2018 18:31:54 GMT
Aren't they going to show the game in other conferences like gamescon or PAX? Until october seems like a long time.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 14, 2018 19:46:14 GMT
My main concern with this game is plain and simple: how long will it last? Bioware has screwed up its track for me with Andromeda. I was hyped up for it, particularly for its Multiplayer content. I convinced 4 friends of mine to buy the game. For a reason no other than hype, I thought Bioware would merge what they had learnt from DAIMP and ME3MP and really deliver something greater. And when it came out I started investing tons of time into it. I sat on the Top 10 PC Leaderboards for quite a while. Most people on the forums were complaining about the game (regarding both its SP and MP content), and whenever I had a chance I would defend the game and Bioware's decisions at the time. I was to a point, well, what one could call a fanboy. In August though, 5 months after the game was out, Bioware officially announced what had already been speculated by some: no more new content, neither for SP nor MP. No Quarian Arc, no Geths nor Volus in MP (some of the most loved races back in ME3MP), nothing else to be added. Game over. I had invested 1,007 hours into Andromeda, and then I simply decided to quit it altogether. Bioware (or EA if you will) didn't show any commitment to support Andromeda when it was clear that the game was not profitable enough. The game simply lasted for as long it was able to make money. It didn't matter the fact that it carried the Mass Effect name with it, or the fact that it was Bioware's most expensive game thus far. Bioware just moved on. Recently I've been playing Destiny 2 (closing 1k hours played) and despite some negativity that the game has received by many players, Bungie and Activision have a 10-year contract to honor and to keep the franchise going. We are in the year 4 of that contract and right now the roadmap ahead of Destiny 2 (which is almost 1 year old) looks more promising than ever, and even more promising than the franchise has ever been at. And that happens simply because the developer is committed to a long term contract. More DLCs, Seasons, Add-ons, New games, whatever. They have to keep the franchise going. And as a hardcore gamer, I like the idea. I want something that I can play long-term. Now we come to Anthem. Bioware has no contract of that sort whatsoever, and they have already made it clear that supporting their game is only good as long as it is profitable. Can hardcore players get in and play Anthem for hundreds of hours knowing that the time they invested in won't be scrapped? Will the game live past 12 months? What about 2 years? Or just 5 months like Andromeda? All legit. And despite my own hype I would echo those concerns. If it tanks the way MEA did will they just drop it and move onto DA(4): The Super Deluxe MMO Experience. I would classify MEA as a game of unrealized potential. I was disappointed by the weak story but more so in EA/Bioware abandoning it. On the flip side of that if I can manage to get 500 hours of enjoyment out of Anthem, it's a win for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 20:19:08 GMT
I've started both DA:I and ME:A many times but have yet to finish either as I just get bored, the areas are just a little too big and empty and the quest design isn't that great either. On the flip side I can play SWTOR for hours and not get bored even though after so many years I know where all the quests are Remains to be seen how I'll find Anthem assuming I even buy it.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jun 14, 2018 20:22:03 GMT
I've started both DA:I and ME:A many times but have yet to finish either as I just get bored, the areas are just a little too big and empty and the quest design isn't that great either. On the flip side I can play SWTOR for hours and not get bored even though after so many years I know where all the quests are Remains to be seen how I'll find Anthem assuming I even buy it. Same. I just start playing SWTOR in my sleep almost
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jun 14, 2018 21:42:43 GMT
HeimdallSo all this behind closed doors stuff, they just got to fly around and kill things? So none of the story stuff I'm even interested in is being shown yet. . More than that. One of the vids I watched or articles I read, too many to remember which one, said there was an extended dialogue scene with NpCs in the Strider that gave a much better Bioware-story sense than the trailers. They even asked wtf Bioware didn’t show that instead? The gist of the answer was that Bioware wanted to make it clear at E3 that this was a new type of game for Bioware.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 21:54:27 GMT
Heimdall So all this behind closed doors stuff, they just got to fly around and kill things? So none of the story stuff I'm even interested in is being shown yet. . More than that. One of the vids I watched or articles I read, too many to remember which one, said there was an extended dialogue scene with NpCs in the Strider that gave a much better Bioware-story sense than the trailers. They even asked wtf Bioware didn’t show that instead? The gist of the answer was that Bioware wanted to make it clear at E3 that this was a new type of game for Bioware. "Ah yes 'marketing' we've dismissed that claim." More seriously this new approach is either going to work or backfire badly. Let's hope Bioware have the sense to show some decent story related stuff sooner rather than later otherwise Anthem might flop and that's not a good thing.
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