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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 14, 2018 22:26:11 GMT
More than that. One of the vids I watched or articles I read, too many to remember which one, said there was an extended dialogue scene with NpCs in the Strider that gave a much better Bioware-story sense than the trailers. They even asked wtf Bioware didn’t show that instead? The gist of the answer was that Bioware wanted to make it clear at E3 that this was a new type of game for Bioware. "Ah yes 'marketing' we've dismissed that claim." More seriously this new approach is either going to work or backfire badly. Let's hope Bioware have the sense to show some decent story related stuff sooner rather than later otherwise Anthem might flop and that's not a good thing. Omg Bioware are so notoriously bad at marketing, why is that??? It would be cute if they weren't drowning...
They really can't afford bad marketing anymore.
So this move could kill them right there but go ahead, maybe it will work. I'll pray for you.
I assume the idea behind trying to actively distance themselves from their former identity is that Bioware's reputation is so shot that trying to pass the game off as something else entirely sounds good at this point. Better than reminding people of Andromeda, I guess... Go for the crowd who never liked Bioware's silly companion dating sims. None of that here, dudes, just mindless shooting, you like that, right?!
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 14, 2018 22:39:58 GMT
Omg Bioware are so notoriously bad at marketing, why is that??? It would be cute if they weren't drowning...
They really can't afford bad marketing anymore.
So this move could kill them right there but go ahead, maybe it will work. I'll pray for you.
I assume the idea behind trying to actively distance themselves from their former identity is that Bioware's reputation is so shot that trying to pass the game off as something else entirely sounds good at this point. Better than reminding people of Andromeda, I guess... Go for the crowd who never liked Bioware's silly companion dating sims. None of that here, dudes, just mindless shooting, you like that, right?!
It’s more aimed at the people who might like a Co-Op shooter but aren’t generally into Bioware RPG games. They want to draw them in without them saying “Oh, I don’t like Bioware-style games usually”. Its sort of stupid, but if you look at the action focus of most of their game marketing it’s been a consistent trend with them.
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Post by Sifr on Jun 14, 2018 22:45:49 GMT
Same. I just start playing SWTOR in my sleep almost Speaking of Star Wars, anyone else getting a HK-47 vibe from some of the Javelin designs?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 23:03:57 GMT
Same. I just start playing SWTOR in my sleep almost Speaking of Star Wars, anyone else getting a HK-47 vibe from some of the Javelin designs? Now that you mention it yeah the Ranger does kind of have a HK vibe about it... Not that's a bad thing mind you
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 14, 2018 23:32:23 GMT
It’s more aimed at the people who might like a Co-Op shooter but aren’t generally into Bioware RPG games. They want to draw them in without them saying “Oh, I don’t like Bioware-style games usually”. Its sort of stupid, but if you look at the action focus of most of their game marketing it’s been a consistent trend with them. Yes, that's what I meant. And it's true that since ME2 the focus has been on action. Just not sure that Anthem looks good enough in the action department to attract the audience they're aiming at. The internet seems very meh about this Destiny clone. No idea if that's representative. But the general reception seems not all that favorable. People call the gameplay and setting generic and boring. And I would agree and I'm not even into combat heavy games... Gameplay has NEVER been Bioware's strong suit and yet that's the core feature of games like Destiny. It's basically all they have to offer. Fun addictive combat. I don't see anything in Anthem's promotion that looks like they stepped up their game. And I'm not alone. Slow and outdated is what keeps popping up in the threads I skimmed. What's good enough for Bioware fans may not be good enough for their new target player base.
If there's other cool stuff in Anthem like good story and interesting objectives they're keeping under wraps, then *I* might give the game a shot. But that's not what chasing Destiny is all about. So I'm a bit worried about marketing and the game itself. I hope it's more fun to play than it looks. I want the game to be successful but it sure doesn't look like it yet.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 14, 2018 23:59:33 GMT
Same. I just start playing SWTOR in my sleep almost Speaking of Star Wars, anyone else getting a HK-47 vibe from some of the Javelin designs? I miss HK-47,best robo buddy ever. 😀
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Post by rras1994 on Jun 15, 2018 0:11:30 GMT
It’s more aimed at the people who might like a Co-Op shooter but aren’t generally into Bioware RPG games. They want to draw them in without them saying “Oh, I don’t like Bioware-style games usually”. Its sort of stupid, but if you look at the action focus of most of their game marketing it’s been a consistent trend with them. Yes, that's what I meant. And it's true that since ME2 the focus has been on action. Just not sure that Anthem looks good enough in the action department to attract the audience they're aiming at. The internet seems very meh about this Destiny clone. No idea if that's representative. But the general reception seems not all that favorable. People call the gameplay and setting generic and boring. And I would agree and I'm not even into combat heavy games... Gameplay has NEVER been Bioware's strong suit and yet that's the core feature of games like Destiny. It's basically all they have to offer. Fun addictive combat. I don't see anything in Anthem's promotion that looks like they stepped up their game. And I'm not alone. Slow and outdated is what keeps popping up in the threads I skimmed. What's good enough for Bioware fans may not be good enough for their new target player base.
If there's other cool stuff in Anthem like good story and interesting objectives they're keeping under wraps, then *I* might give the game a shot. But that's not what chasing Destiny is all about. So I'm a bit worried about marketing and the game itself. I hope it's more fun to play than it looks. I want the game to be successful but it sure doesn't look like it yet.
Where are you getting the "slow and outdated" from? Most who have been playing the demo have been mentioning how fun they found it, there's a lot of games journalists and youtubers excited about it - which is actually who the marketing is for, E3 is for investors and games media, not gamers. You want to get the right people interested in your game and shouting the right message, something they've largely managed. The proportion of consumers who actually follow E3 is tiny, they largely don't matter (and even there I've seen interest in the gameplay) but getting the media on board is important. They are the ones going to sell your product, not the average gamer on forums/social media. I know it's easy to get sucked into the E3 buzz where gamers argue who "won" E3 but it's really about getting the media on your product. I'd say that BioWare have managed that. I really think the marketing aimed at the consumer is going to be closer to launch, with big cinematic trailers, and demos and previews with your "fav" youtubers. At 8 months to launch, it's not really about the consumer. For one, how many consumers have the attention span to remember 8 months from launch?
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Post by Sifr on Jun 15, 2018 0:23:01 GMT
Speaking of Star Wars, anyone else getting a HK-47 vibe from some of the Javelin designs? Now that you mention it yeah the Ranger does kind of have a HK vibe about it... Not that's a bad thing mind you Objection: Surely you jest, Master! The idea of any meatbag taking residence within my chassis would be enough to induce severe nausea, were I capable of generating such a thing!
Clarification: Intense homicidal rage, however, I am well equipped to demonstrate, were such a suggestion or comparison to ever be repeated within range of my audio sensors.
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Post by river82 on Jun 15, 2018 5:05:30 GMT
Same. I just start playing SWTOR in my sleep almost Speaking of Star Wars, anyone else getting a HK-47 vibe from some of the Javelin designs? What made HK-47 iconic was its personality and speech idiosyncrasies - the physical design wasn't that unique. For me to get a HK-47 vibe from something the first thing I need is to hear some dialogue.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 15, 2018 8:31:37 GMT
Where are you getting the "slow and outdated" from? Most who have been playing the demo have been mentioning how fun they found it, there's a lot of games journalists and youtubers excited about it - which is actually who the marketing is for, E3 is for investors and games media, not gamers. You want to get the right people interested in your game and shouting the right message, something they've largely managed. The proportion of consumers who actually follow E3 is tiny, they largely don't matter (and even there I've seen interest in the gameplay) but getting the media on board is important. They are the ones going to sell your product, not the average gamer on forums/social media. I know it's easy to get sucked into the E3 buzz where gamers argue who "won" E3 but it's really about getting the media on your product. I'd say that BioWare have managed that. I really think the marketing aimed at the consumer is going to be closer to launch, with big cinematic trailers, and demos and previews with your "fav" youtubers. At 8 months to launch, it's not really about the consumer. For one, how many consumers have the attention span to remember 8 months from launch? While browsing reactions of random people. Like I said, might not be representative. There are plenty of people excited for the game as well, that is correct. It's a mixed bag so far, it seems. Then again so is the Fallout 76 reception. So perhaps that's normal. In any case, I hope we'll get more impressions soon that give us a more detailed look at the game. Bethesda reacted fairly quickly to the PvP scare and even released a Making Of Fallout 76 that seems to have soothed some of the concerns people have.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Jun 15, 2018 10:19:03 GMT
Where are you getting the "slow and outdated" from? Most who have been playing the demo have been mentioning how fun they found it, there's a lot of games journalists and youtubers excited about it - which is actually who the marketing is for, E3 is for investors and games media, not gamers. You want to get the right people interested in your game and shouting the right message, something they've largely managed. The proportion of consumers who actually follow E3 is tiny, they largely don't matter (and even there I've seen interest in the gameplay) but getting the media on board is important. They are the ones going to sell your product, not the average gamer on forums/social media. I know it's easy to get sucked into the E3 buzz where gamers argue who "won" E3 but it's really about getting the media on your product. I'd say that BioWare have managed that. I really think the marketing aimed at the consumer is going to be closer to launch, with big cinematic trailers, and demos and previews with your "fav" youtubers. At 8 months to launch, it's not really about the consumer. For one, how many consumers have the attention span to remember 8 months from launch? While browsing reactions of random people. Like I said, might not be representative. There are plenty of people excited for the game as well, that is correct. It's a mixed bag so far, it seems. Then again so is the Fallout 76 reception. So perhaps that's normal. In any case, I hope we'll get more impressions soon that give us a more detailed look at the game. Bethesda reacted fairly quickly to the PvP scare and even released a Making Of Fallout 76 that seems to have soothed some of the concerns people have.That’s because they at least care more for their true loyal fans than Bioware/EA does, which is how it should be.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 15, 2018 10:27:06 GMT
Speaking of Star Wars, anyone else getting a HK-47 vibe from some of the Javelin designs? What made HK-47 iconic was its personality and speech idiosyncrasies - the physical design wasn't that unique. For me to get a HK-47 vibe from something the first thing I need is to hear some dialogue. Exactly right, Meatbag.
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Post by bshep on Jun 15, 2018 14:25:34 GMT
While browsing reactions of random people. Like I said, might not be representative. There are plenty of people excited for the game as well, that is correct. It's a mixed bag so far, it seems. Then again so is the Fallout 76 reception. So perhaps that's normal. In any case, I hope we'll get more impressions soon that give us a more detailed look at the game. Bethesda reacted fairly quickly to the PvP scare and even released a Making Of Fallout 76 that seems to have soothed some of the concerns people have.That’s because they at least care more for their true loyal fans than Bioware/EA does, which is how it should be. Are we talking about the same Bethesda that doesn't bother fixing bugs and sells reused assets as DLC content? Because to me that is the opposite of caring.
They reacted quickly because they are selling a empty game map (except for the mutated monsters) where players can do PVP with nuclear missiles using the Fallout name.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jun 15, 2018 15:16:38 GMT
That’s because they at least care more for their true loyal fans than Bioware/EA does, which is how it should be. Sorry, this made me laugh. True loyal fans are still mad at Bioware for screwing up Fallout 4 and for taking so long to make TESVI. On top of what bshep said.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Jun 15, 2018 16:30:41 GMT
That’s because they at least care more for their true loyal fans than Bioware/EA does, which is how it should be. Are we talking about the same Bethesda that doesn't bother fixing bugs and sells reused assets as DLC content? Because to me that is the opposite of caring.
They reacted quickly because they are selling a empty game map (except for the mutated monsters) where players can do PVP with nuclear missiles using the Fallout name.
I think they’re doing more for their fans than Bioware has ever done for theirs. They patch their games regularly (or so), yes there are still flaws but at least they still patch them and they reach out to people. I know that Bioware has openly admitted that they look up to Bethesda and that it’s where they took their formula for Inquisition for, from Skyrim.... apparently they didn’t take on from the rest though, the fan communications. You see, that’s another thing about Bethesda, they communicate with their fans, at least in comparison to Bioware, I’m not saying they are perfect not by a long shot but by comparison they are much much better at it than Bioware, 90% of the game companies out there are cause it doesn’t really take much.
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Post by rras1994 on Jun 15, 2018 16:35:47 GMT
Are we talking about the same Bethesda that doesn't bother fixing bugs and sells reused assets as DLC content? Because to me that is the opposite of caring.
They reacted quickly because they are selling a empty game map (except for the mutated monsters) where players can do PVP with nuclear missiles using the Fallout name.
I think they’re doing more for their fans than Bioware has ever done for theirs. They patch their games regularly (or so), yes there are still flaws but at least they still patch them and they reach out to people. I know that Bioware has openly admitted that they look up to Bethesda and that it’s where they took their formula for Inquisition for, from Skyrim.... apparently they didn’t take on from the rest though, the fan communications. You see, that’s another thing about Bethesda, they communicate with their fans, at least in comparison to Bioware, I’m not saying they are perfect not by a long shot but by comparison they are much much better at it than Bioware, 90% of the game companies out there are cause it doesn’t really take much. Lol. Bethesda games have a reputation of being buggy and relaying on the audience to fix them, which they then screwed over by introducing paid mods. I don't see how they are better at communicating then BioWare at all. The idea BioWare doesn't listen to their fans when they've made big changes in the past due to fan feedback (jaal bi patch) and Mark Darrah is currently on twitter now answering questions and getting feedback is laughable.
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Post by goishen on Jun 15, 2018 16:39:33 GMT
All it takes is one douchebag in the office to get easily offended and then get everybody on their side to create an "Us vs Them" mentality.
Yah, but when you're listening to the wrong ppl, that's a problem. They're listening to the SJW propagandists. The loudest of the loud mouths.
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Post by bshep on Jun 15, 2018 17:11:46 GMT
Are we talking about the same Bethesda that doesn't bother fixing bugs and sells reused assets as DLC content? Because to me that is the opposite of caring.
They reacted quickly because they are selling a empty game map (except for the mutated monsters) where players can do PVP with nuclear missiles using the Fallout name.
I think they’re doing more for their fans than Bioware has ever done for theirs. They patch their games regularly (or so), yes there are still flaws but at least they still patch them and they reach out to people. I know that Bioware has openly admitted that they look up to Bethesda and that it’s where they took their formula for Inquisition for, from Skyrim.... apparently they didn’t take on from the rest though, the fan communications. You see, that’s another thing about Bethesda, they communicate with their fans, at least in comparison to Bioware, I’m not saying they are perfect not by a long shot but by comparison they are much much better at it than Bioware, 90% of the game companies out there are cause it doesn’t really take much. You know, hate Bioware if you wish or hate their games too. That is your prerrogative. But don't invent facts to try to back up your claims.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Jun 15, 2018 17:27:49 GMT
I think they’re doing more for their fans than Bioware has ever done for theirs. They patch their games regularly (or so), yes there are still flaws but at least they still patch them and they reach out to people. I know that Bioware has openly admitted that they look up to Bethesda and that it’s where they took their formula for Inquisition for, from Skyrim.... apparently they didn’t take on from the rest though, the fan communications. You see, that’s another thing about Bethesda, they communicate with their fans, at least in comparison to Bioware, I’m not saying they are perfect not by a long shot but by comparison they are much much better at it than Bioware, 90% of the game companies out there are cause it doesn’t really take much. You know, hate Bioware if you wish or hate their games too. That is your prerrogative. But don't invent facts to try to back up your claims.
Awww did I hurt your feelings by offending your precious game LOL Hah! Good thing EAWare has loyal you to defend them They’re pretty much screwed...
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 15, 2018 17:40:16 GMT
You know, hate Bioware if you wish or hate their games too. That is your prerrogative. But don't invent facts to try to back up your claims.
In fairness, this is the 'Skepticism Thread'. 'Facts' are no more obligatory here than they are in the Hype Thread...
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Post by bshep on Jun 15, 2018 17:43:52 GMT
You know, hate Bioware if you wish or hate their games too. That is your prerrogative. But don't invent facts to try to back up your claims.
Awww did I hurt your feelings by offending your precious game LOL Hah! Good thing EAWare has loyal you to defend them They’re pretty much screwed... On the contrary i am just amazed by the length you go to try to defend your claims by even inventing facts. It's just kind of silly, the kind kids do.
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Post by bshep on Jun 15, 2018 17:47:40 GMT
You know, hate Bioware if you wish or hate their games too. That is your prerrogative. But don't invent facts to try to back up your claims.
In fairness, this is the 'Skepticism Thread'. 'Facts' are no more obligatory here than they are in the Hype Thread... They should be in both places. No one can make a informed decision otherwise.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 15, 2018 18:16:33 GMT
They should be in both places. No one can make a informed decision otherwise. I think you're absolutely right that informed discussion should be the lead activity in our forum and should apply to most threads. But if there's anywhere where posters can indulge their cynicism and/or their fanboiism (if that's a word) it's probably these two threads. I respect your wish to debate the matter and typically I enjoy your posts, but these two threads are more about people expressing their feelings in line with a common theme, rather than arguing both the pros and cons.
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Post by rras1994 on Jun 15, 2018 18:24:35 GMT
They should be in both places. No one can make a informed decision otherwise. I think you're absolutely right that informed discussion should be the lead activity in our forum and should apply to most threads. But if there's anywhere where posters can indulge their cynicism and/or their fanboiism (if that's a word) it's probably these two threads. I respect your wish to debate the matter and typically I enjoy your posts, but these two threads are more about people expressing their feelings in line with a common theme, rather than arguing both the pros and cons. But how is claiming BioWare is worse then 90% of companies with communication and Bethesda is way better got anything to do with Skepticism about Anthem? I don't really see what "SJW propagandists" have got to do with the topic either, yet that's in a post above too. At some point, it just becomes mud slinging. Do you not think at that point you may have to back up your opinions with some sembelence of facts?
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jun 15, 2018 18:25:30 GMT
It just feels unfinished, they try to make it both an online experience and story focused but fail in both.
SP: - Online Solo. - No Companions/Romance. - Exclusive Co-op Content.
MP: - No PvP. - No Trading. - Co-op not required in all content.
What I think it should've been: - Companions & Romance. - Offline Solo option. - Local Co-op option. - PvP & Trading. - No exclusive Co-op/offline content. - Can choose between companions or real players when entering missions or mix (ex. 2 companions + 2 players).
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