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Post by jayhartric on Dec 15, 2018 0:18:09 GMT
So... I have finally looking into this game. It seems to be absolutely nothing in it for me. 1. I don't do multiplayer, with the only exception since Quake 3 Arena being Overwatch. I don't do Destiny. I don't do TF2. I don't do PubG or Fortnite or Paladins or even MMOs. And I certainly will never ever ever do Fallout 76. There are two reasons: I don't have the time and commitment, and also, in my experience, other people are in general horrible and it is better not to play with them. 2. I don't do well in shooters in general. I have bad reflexes and bad hand-eye coordination. 3. I don't trust Bioware. I am one of those players who think Bioware peaked with Baldur's Gate II, got close with Origins and did great with the ME trilogy. But I also think that if I could have gotten my money back for DA2 I would have, because it was absolutely in no way at all a good game, to me. Inquisition? I never even finished the tutorial. Andromeda? Never even considered buying it after the ME3 ending, the DA2 fiasco and the utter "Meh" that was DA:I. And I guess I got lucky there. To me it is obvious that even disregarding the obvious micro transactions, paid expansions (despite micro transactions) and other things "Bioware" (read: EA) will put in with 110% certainty, this game is simply not designed for me. And that's fine. I have already found greener pastures elsewere. Again, Bioware has burned me enough times that i will not buy any game of theirs until it's in a sales bin. Period. I am not bitter, or wanting them to hurt. I am just letting them go, because they simply don't make games for me. There are no paid expansions. The only monetization is cosmetic.
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So... I have finally looking into this game. It seems to be absolutely nothing in it for me. 1. I don't do multiplayer, with the only exception since Quake 3 Arena being Overwatch. I don't do Destiny. I don't do TF2. I don't do PubG or Fortnite or Paladins or even MMOs. And I certainly will never ever ever do Fallout 76. There are two reasons: I don't have the time and commitment, and also, in my experience, other people are in general horrible and it is better not to play with them. 2. I don't do well in shooters in general. I have bad reflexes and bad hand-eye coordination. 3. I don't trust Bioware. I am one of those players who think Bioware peaked with Baldur's Gate II, got close with Origins and did great with the ME trilogy. But I also think that if I could have gotten my money back for DA2 I would have, because it was absolutely in no way at all a good game, to me. Inquisition? I never even finished the tutorial. Andromeda? Never even considered buying it after the ME3 ending, the DA2 fiasco and the utter "Meh" that was DA:I. And I guess I got lucky there. To me it is obvious that even disregarding the obvious micro transactions, paid expansions (despite micro transactions) and other things "Bioware" (read: EA) will put in with 110% certainty, this game is simply not designed for me. And that's fine. I have already found greener pastures elsewere. Again, Bioware has burned me enough times that i will not buy any game of theirs until it's in a sales bin. Period. I am not bitter, or wanting them to hurt. I am just letting them go, because they simply don't make games for me.
1. Before I tried it, I was afraid of finding horrible people in ME3MP but found really great people instead. Anthem may attract a different, more aggressive crowd, but if you have friends you never have to be exposed to PUGs if you don't want to be. There are people here and elsewhere putting together guilds of friendly players who will help you. Lack of PvP will also hopefully keep the trolls away.
2. I am not great at shooters to the point I debated whether to buy ME at all. I'm proof that with practice, you can become better if you want. There are also different levels of play in Anthem, so you can play in the lower levels until you get your feet under you. I suggest trying ME3MP. If you can get used to that, Anthem shouldn't be too much harder.
3. I didn't enjoy DA2 very much but found Inquisition and MEA pretty fun and am looking forward to more.
If you've decided Anthem isn't for you, ok, fair enough. It definitely doesn't seem as tailored to us RPG players as previous games. You might find DA4 or ME:Next more to your liking. Or you could try the free demo of Anthem and make up your mind then.
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Post by snailbeard on Dec 15, 2018 19:10:39 GMT
So... I have finally looking into this game. It seems to be absolutely nothing in it for me. 1. I don't do multiplayer, with the only exception since Quake 3 Arena being Overwatch. I don't do Destiny. I don't do TF2. I don't do PubG or Fortnite or Paladins or even MMOs. And I certainly will never ever ever do Fallout 76. There are two reasons: I don't have the time and commitment, and also, in my experience, other people are in general horrible and it is better not to play with them. 2. I don't do well in shooters in general. I have bad reflexes and bad hand-eye coordination. 3. I don't trust Bioware. I am one of those players who think Bioware peaked with Baldur's Gate II, got close with Origins and did great with the ME trilogy. But I also think that if I could have gotten my money back for DA2 I would have, because it was absolutely in no way at all a good game, to me. Inquisition? I never even finished the tutorial. Andromeda? Never even considered buying it after the ME3 ending, the DA2 fiasco and the utter "Meh" that was DA:I. And I guess I got lucky there. To me it is obvious that even disregarding the obvious micro transactions, paid expansions (despite micro transactions) and other things "Bioware" (read: EA) will put in with 110% certainty, this game is simply not designed for me. And that's fine. I have already found greener pastures elsewere. Again, Bioware has burned me enough times that i will not buy any game of theirs until it's in a sales bin. Period. I am not bitter, or wanting them to hurt. I am just letting them go, because they simply don't make games for me.
1. Before I tried it, I was afraid of finding horrible people in ME3MP but found really great people instead. Anthem may attract a different, more aggressive crowd, but if you have friends you never have to be exposed to PUGs if you don't want to be. There are people here and elsewhere putting together guilds of friendly players who will help you. Lack of PvP will also hopefully keep the trolls away.
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3. I didn't enjoy DA2 very much but found Inquisition and MEA pretty fun and am looking forward to more.
If you've decided Anthem isn't for you, ok, fair enough. It definitely doesn't seem as tailored to us RPG players as previous games. You might find DA4 or ME:Next more to your liking. Or you could try the free demo of Anthem and make up your mind then.
1. I don't have friends, really, and especially not friend that are into gaming. At all. A few of them play Pokemon Go or Word Feud, and that's it. And basically all my online friends are in a different time zone (I am EU, they are NA). Unless one of us is going to play from 1 am to 5 am in the morning... it's not possible to do multiplayer, basically. Especially since I really only have time to play on sundays. 3. After DA2, I only (and yes, I am serious, this was the only reason I bought it) bought DA:I because I could play as a female Qunari. Unfortunately the neither new game engine nor art style could handle them, so not only did they look like tall sulky teenage girls instead of awesome amazons due to the choice of art style, but also the game engine really couldn't do white hair properly so you had to use dark hair colors... As for RPGs, I am fairly flexible. After all I have 1250 hours in Fallout 4 and plan to restart that soon. I have even more hours in Skyrim. I have played through DDoS2 once already and will do it again shortly (quite frankly I do consider that the best CRPG ever made). I played through Origins five times, two human origins, two city elf origin and one poor dwarf origin. If I remember correctly I played through BG1 18 times (though there was not much like it on the market then) and BG2 12 times. I just don't get a "feel" for this game.It looks, and feels (from video) like it's not enough yet too much player customizations. Can I change more than just the face and gender? Will my character develop or not? If not, why not just do like Overwatch and have very well written likeable fixed characters, and you have to pick one?
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Post by snailbeard on Dec 15, 2018 19:12:26 GMT
There are no paid expansions. The only monetization is cosmetic. Really? I take your word for it, but it seems too good to be true. Is the pre-order weapon you get equal to others or better? Because if it s better, it's still pay to win.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 15, 2018 19:24:43 GMT
Is the pre-order weapon you get equal to others or better? Because if it s better, it's still pay to win. The devs have confirmed the pre-order extras are not OP and match other available in-game weapons. They are presented as a 'nice to have shiny' at a higher price with only a temporary in-game advantage. "You do get it near the beginning (right after the tutorials). It will be a good weapon for that stage of the game but you will be able to find equivalent stuff in game."
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 15, 2018 19:49:37 GMT
I take your word for it, but it seems too good to be true. "I literally cannot accept the idea of something I want to complain about being BS." Fan forums where people don't join just to whine about the games and creators the forum is dedicated to is too good to be true.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 15, 2018 19:58:18 GMT
"I literally cannot accept the idea of something I want to complain about being BS." Fan forums where people don't join just to whine about the games and creators the forum is dedicated to is too good to be true. This is the 'skepticism thread', snailbeard's comment is entirely on-topic. May I suggest yours is not. On with the thread, please.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Dec 15, 2018 20:02:44 GMT
"I literally cannot accept the idea of something I want to complain about being BS." Fan forums where people don't join just to whine about the games and creators the forum is dedicated to is too good to be true. This is the 'skepticism thread', snailbeard 's comment is entirely on-topic. May I suggest yours is not. On with the thread, please. Careful, you might trigger the drone.
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 15, 2018 22:23:22 GMT
"I literally cannot accept the idea of something I want to complain about being BS." Fan forums where people don't join just to whine about the games and creators the forum is dedicated to is too good to be true. This is the 'skepticism thread', snailbeard 's comment is entirely on-topic. May I suggest yours is not. On with the thread, please. Oh that was quick sofa, when the whiner started whining in the hype thread you merely picked up the popcorns? Anyway I do wonder about a person who joins BSN now in llate 2018 and starts by proclaiming that everything post 2008 or so sux, lands in the Anthem forum of all places and promptly informs us all that the game "has nothing in it for him/her". What are we supposed to do with this revelation? Suffice to say, I'm skeptic.
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A skeptic in the skepticism thread …
Hmm …
Are you sure?
Is that like a double negative?
Well, I'm positive …
I should go.
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Post by arcanistranger on Dec 15, 2018 23:19:32 GMT
Anyway I do wonder about a person who joins BSN now in llate 2018 and starts by proclaiming that everything post 2008 or so sux, lands in the Anthem forum of all places and promptly informs us all that the game "has nothing in it for him/her". What are we supposed to do with this revelation? I say: Make note of the fact that, despite them saying that they don't care for shooters, they still (supposedly) played through the entire Mass Effect Trilogy.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 15, 2018 23:28:33 GMT
Oh that was quick sofa, when the whiner started whining in the hype thread you merely picked up the popcorns? I'm equipped.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 5:23:20 GMT
I take your word for it, but it seems too good to be true. "I literally cannot accept the idea of something I want to complain about being BS." Fan forums where people don't join just to whine about the games and creators the forum is dedicated to is too good to be true. Your mad at the world. We get it...
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 16, 2018 11:06:55 GMT
I take your word for it, but it seems too good to be true. "I literally cannot accept the idea of something I want to complain about being BS." Fan forums where people don't join just to whine about the games and creators the forum is dedicated to is too good to be true. Here, have this gif, free of charge: files.catbox.moe/443dzk.gif
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Post by General Mahad on Dec 19, 2018 6:55:10 GMT
Anyway....according to BioWare, if you play the game solo, you’ll lose out on tactical versatility.
WTF does that even mean? Like you can’t do co-op power attacks or the gameplay becomes more stale?
Does BioWare not have faith in players jumping in solo?
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Post by saandrig on Dec 19, 2018 8:08:26 GMT
Anyway I do wonder about a person who joins BSN now in llate 2018 and starts by proclaiming that everything post 2008 or so sux, lands in the Anthem forum of all places and promptly informs us all that the game "has nothing in it for him/her". What are we supposed to do with this revelation? I say: Make note of the fact that, despite them saying that they don't care for shooters, they still (supposedly) played through the entire Mass Effect Trilogy. Slightly offtopic, but the only reason I even took the first ME was because "Bioware". I disliked the game, found it to be boring and a huge step back on Bio's quality. I played it on the easiest setting because I don't enjoy shooter mechanics. ME2 I found amazing but definitely not for the shooter parts. ME3 was also pretty fun, but the parts with waves of enemies were boring to death for me. Those games are much more than shooters and you can enjoy them while tolerating the crappy mandatory shooter parts. So yes, the fact that you play and enjoy the ME Trilogy does not mean you enjoy shooters. And since Anthem is much more shooter oriented compared to ME (plus no team of followers, romances, branching dialogues, heavy cinematic experience), is it unbeliavable that ME fans are being sceptic about it?
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Post by PillarBiter on Dec 19, 2018 12:38:09 GMT
"I literally cannot accept the idea of something I want to complain about being BS." Fan forums where people don't join just to whine about the games and creators the forum is dedicated to is too good to be true. Your mad at the world. We get it... savage. nice.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 19, 2018 16:46:35 GMT
Anyway....according to BioWare, if you play the game solo, you’ll lose out on tactical versatility. WTF does that even mean? Seems pretty obvious to me. More units (Javelins) means more options for attack plans. Fewer means less options. What else could it mean? For example: They design a mission set-piece battle or boss battle so that it's fun to put together an attack plan with the Colossus ground-pounding a frontal attack, the Ranger flanking, and two Storms doing ranged attacks and priming combos. Or, alternatively, four Interceptors doing hit-and-run attacks and just littering the ground with traps and mines, so that everywhere the boss steps is critical damage (in other words, sheer numbers count, not just variety of Javelin types). You can't do any of the above as well with just one dude. But here's the thing, "not as well" doesn't mean "not at all". And "you can't use that attack plan -- that requires 4 Javelin types" doesn't mean you can't have any attack plan. It's exactly the same situation as doing a DAI dragon boss battle with a party of four versus doing it solo. Your options are more limited solo, but that doesn't mean it's impossible or not fun.
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Post by biggydx on Dec 19, 2018 18:41:16 GMT
Even though I'm more optimistic about the game, there are still things that concern me; regarding the games retail release.
- Will the world feel too empty? - Will there be enough "Wow!" moments? - Will the characters hold up over the course of the campaign? - How much is there to the endgame, and will it hold up in terms of replayability? - Will the lack of a social hub annoy players? - How much a grind will it be to obtain vanity items with the "sweat currency"?
I think these are still solid questions to ask?
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Post by General Mahad on Dec 19, 2018 18:50:54 GMT
Anyway....according to BioWare, if you play the game solo, you’ll lose out on tactical versatility. WTF does that even mean? Seems pretty obvious to me. More units (Javelins) means more options for attack plans. Fewer means less options. What else could it mean? For example: They design a mission set-piece battle or boss battle so that it's fun to put together an attack plan with the Colossus ground-pounding a frontal attack, the Ranger flanking, and two Storms doing ranged attacks and priming combos. Or, alternatively, four Interceptors doing hit-and-run attacks and just littering the ground with traps and mines, so that everywhere the boss steps is critical damage (in other words, sheer numbers count, not just variety of Javelin types). You can't do any of the above as well with just one dude. But here's the thing, "not as well" doesn't mean "not at all". And "you can't use that attack plan -- that requires 4 Javelin types" doesn't mean you can't have any attack plan. It's exactly the same situation as doing a DAI dragon boss battle with a party of four versus doing it solo. Your options are more limited solo, but that doesn't mean it's impossible or not fun. Difference is I have NPC allies whom I can use in DAI, Anthem doesn’t because it’s beyond BioWare’s ability apparently. Relying on randos is a coin flip that rarely turns out well in my experience.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 19, 2018 22:04:47 GMT
Seems pretty obvious to me. More units (Javelins) means more options for attack plans. Fewer means less options. What else could it mean? For example: They design a mission set-piece battle or boss battle so that it's fun to put together an attack plan with the Colossus ground-pounding a frontal attack, the Ranger flanking, and two Storms doing ranged attacks and priming combos. Or, alternatively, four Interceptors doing hit-and-run attacks and just littering the ground with traps and mines, so that everywhere the boss steps is critical damage (in other words, sheer numbers count, not just variety of Javelin types). You can't do any of the above as well with just one dude. But here's the thing, "not as well" doesn't mean "not at all". And "you can't use that attack plan -- that requires 4 Javelin types" doesn't mean you can't have any attack plan. It's exactly the same situation as doing a DAI dragon boss battle with a party of four versus doing it solo. Your options are more limited solo, but that doesn't mean it's impossible or not fun. Difference is I have NPC allies whom I can use in DAI, Anthem doesn’t because it’s beyond BioWare’s ability apparently. Relying on randos is a coin flip that rarely turns out well in my experience. Hey! I'm a very reliable rando!
AI has enough problems when it is limited to the ground and vanguard charging. Flying and fighting in a coordinated fashion is probably way too complicated ATM.
One thing I'd like to hear more about is our ability to get away when we're in Fort Tarsis. If I'm enjoying some RP time with NPCs it will be rather immersion breaking to keep getting "So and so has invited you to their lobby" "Hey, you wanna play the latest mission?" "Dude, you on?" popups. At the same time, I don't want to log in invisibly because I will want to go out and have some pew pew with my friends, just not at that moment.
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Post by officerdonnz on Dec 19, 2018 23:38:23 GMT
Difference is I have NPC allies whom I can use in DAI, Anthem doesn’t because it’s beyond BioWare’s ability apparently. Relying on randos is a coin flip that rarely turns out well in my experience. Hey! I'm a very reliable rando!
AI has enough problems when it is limited to the ground and vanguard charging. Flying and fighting in a coordinated fashion is probably way too complicated ATM.
One thing I'd like to hear more about is our ability to get away when we're in Fort Tarsis. If I'm enjoying some RP time with NPCs it will be rather immersion breaking to keep getting "So and so has invited you to their lobby" "Hey, you wanna play the latest mission?" "Dude, you on?" popups. At the same time, I don't want to log in invisibly because I will want to go out and have some pew pew with my friends, just not at that moment.
What friends? If you're friends list is anything like mine, you won't have to worry about getting annoying pop ups while in Fort Tarsis. More seriously though it's a good question.
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Post by lennybusker on Dec 20, 2018 0:38:03 GMT
Difference is I have NPC allies whom I can use in DAI, Anthem doesn’t because it’s beyond BioWare’s ability apparently. Relying on randos is a coin flip that rarely turns out well in my experience. Hey! I'm a very reliable rando!
AI has enough problems when it is limited to the ground and vanguard charging. Flying and fighting in a coordinated fashion is probably way too complicated ATM.
One thing I'd like to hear more about is our ability to get away when we're in Fort Tarsis. If I'm enjoying some RP time with NPCs it will be rather immersion breaking to keep getting "So and so has invited you to their lobby" "Hey, you wanna play the latest mission?" "Dude, you on?" popups. At the same time, I don't want to log in invisibly because I will want to go out and have some pew pew with my friends, just not at that moment.
I don't know about consoles but on PC you can set your status in Origin to Invisible which should get you off everyone's active friends list in game.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 20, 2018 0:55:13 GMT
Hey! I'm a very reliable rando!
AI has enough problems when it is limited to the ground and vanguard charging. Flying and fighting in a coordinated fashion is probably way too complicated ATM.
One thing I'd like to hear more about is our ability to get away when we're in Fort Tarsis. If I'm enjoying some RP time with NPCs it will be rather immersion breaking to keep getting "So and so has invited you to their lobby" "Hey, you wanna play the latest mission?" "Dude, you on?" popups. At the same time, I don't want to log in invisibly because I will want to go out and have some pew pew with my friends, just not at that moment.
I don't know about consoles but on PC you can set your status in Origin to Invisible which should get you off everyone's active friends list in game. I'm on PC but I'd rather not have to be invisible because then I will need to keep Alt Tabbing to toggle my status, which is annoying (friends can't join an invisible host on ME3MP). I will definitely do it if I have to, though.
Maybe if they allow invisible people to host it would work.
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shinobu
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 20, 2018 1:01:33 GMT
Hey! I'm a very reliable rando!
AI has enough problems when it is limited to the ground and vanguard charging. Flying and fighting in a coordinated fashion is probably way too complicated ATM.
One thing I'd like to hear more about is our ability to get away when we're in Fort Tarsis. If I'm enjoying some RP time with NPCs it will be rather immersion breaking to keep getting "So and so has invited you to their lobby" "Hey, you wanna play the latest mission?" "Dude, you on?" popups. At the same time, I don't want to log in invisibly because I will want to go out and have some pew pew with my friends, just not at that moment.
What friends? If you're friends list is anything like mine, you won't have to worry about getting annoying pop ups while in Fort Tarsis. More seriously though it's a good question. One of the perks of being a reliable rando is collecting friends to play with. The only down side is when one wants some alone time. I remember having friends ninja join a solo attempt in ME3MP (my bad for forgetting to go invisible), or sometimes joining my lobby when I had already promised the last spot to someone else. That situation is super awkward. In general I'm not a big fan of the ninja join.
I'll send you a friend invite.
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