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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 21, 2018 0:32:52 GMT
Mostly, he was just bad at it. Not “just.” Really, really, cringeworthy bad at it. Giving both “hype” and “fanboy” a worse name, and think about how hard that is to do. So many times I was tempted to take the side of the skeptics, just to get him to stfu. So bad that I started to have false flag conspiracy theories.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 21, 2018 2:38:40 GMT
So....
Skepticism! (Just hear Sandal saying it, for more enchantment)
In the new devstream, was there anybody using devices Montgomery Scott would call, "quaint"?
Enquiring minds want to know.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 21, 2018 3:55:40 GMT
So, in keeping with my opinions about cooperative/MP play, here's a Forbes article: Well This Is Some Very Bad News About BioWare's 'Anthem'The relevant part, for me at least, comes from a BW dev named Thomas Singleton: "This is launching a new IP for EA, for BioWare, and we’re super proud of it. We’re excited because we’re bringing connectivity and co-op environmental gameplay to the game along with great storytelling and that’s rarely done. We’re pushing team dynamics, that’s where the game really begins to sell. Where the product shines is playing as that squad, you’re working together as a unit to go and conquer various missions. If you want to play the experience solo that’s your option, it probably won’t be as rewarding, you won’t have that team dynamic. The game will scale based on whether you’re by yourself or playing with three other people." This, of course, is why I was never interested in the game. I hate cooperative gaming. I'm not that great of a game player and have no desire to spend time pumping up my skills to keep up with people I don't even know. In case I was undecided before, no Anthem for me.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 21, 2018 4:11:46 GMT
So, in keeping with my opinions about cooperative/MP play, here's a Forbes article: Well This Is Some Very Bad News About BioWare's 'Anthem'The relevant part, for me at least, comes from a BW dev named Thomas Singleton: "This is launching a new IP for EA, for BioWare, and we’re super proud of it. We’re excited because we’re bringing connectivity and co-op environmental gameplay to the game along with great storytelling and that’s rarely done. We’re pushing team dynamics, that’s where the game really begins to sell. Where the product shines is playing as that squad, you’re working together as a unit to go and conquer various missions. If you want to play the experience solo that’s your option, it probably won’t be as rewarding, you won’t have that team dynamic. The game will scale based on whether you’re by yourself or playing with three other people." This, of course, is why I was never interested in the game. I hate cooperative gaming. I'm not that great of a game player and have no desire to spend time pumping up my skills to keep up with people I don't even know. In case I was undecided before, no Anthem for me. You're not too old. You still have time. Stardusk was right about very little... I was of the exact same state of mind. Then I caught the bug ... The "git gud" bug. ME3MP... I actually thought I was a lol "master" of Mass Effect when I first tried MP. I went Gold, no doy. I died so fast so hard it shocked me and I felt humiliated. It didn't help that this was when the game was new, and there were already elitists playing and saying mean things on voice to scrubs like me serving Pyros like Burger King at White Geth Gold. What happened? I was surprised at how bad I was at the game I was good at. And it has happened again and again, as I have tried to achieve new and different and more stupid and masochistic achievements in that ridiculous game. And along the way, I have become "friends" with people from around the world with interesting points of view and divergent backgrounds, that mostly want to laugh together and talk about how fucking awesome that team killstreak was! I don't know if you are immune to the virus. I suspect if you and I teamed up with an old friend like TheThirdRace or a new friend like burningcherry, preferably both.... We would laugh, have different accents, listen to each other rage at how we just got cheated and downed by some cheesy enemy attack, and then get revived instantly and avenged by a team of angry Javelins coming to help you because.... We like you ... This is the only reason I will try the demo. Because I hope they caught that lightning again. They missed with Andromeda, may they have learned the invaluable lesson.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 21, 2018 4:15:13 GMT
What happened? I was surprised at how bad I was at the game I was good at. And it has happened again and again, as I have tried to achieve new and different and more stupid and masochistic achievements in that ridiculous game. And along the way, I have become "friends" with people from around the world with interesting points of view and divergent backgrounds, that mostly want to laugh together and talk about how fucking awesome that team killstreak was! I don't think I have the time to invest in getting to know people and commit to playing alongside them.
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Post by regack on Dec 21, 2018 4:21:24 GMT
dmc1001 yeah, I really don't feel like I'm the the target demographic for Anthem; I really like my 3rd person, single player, story driven games with either tactical or full-action play. I'm not really an always-online-multiplayer kind of person, but ME3MP surprised me, tearing me away from the story-side for almost a year, and that in itself has kind of opened me up to different possibilities. Yes, I know I'm starting to sound pretty not-skeptical... for now I have no intention of buying the game, and I'll be going into the free demo with a cautious toe dipping in. I'll see what there is to see, and then maybe make some kind of final judgement. I really don't think the first-person story bits in Fort Tarsis are going to be enough to draw me in, and the combat alone might not be there either, especially with so few kits to work with. ME3MP has 10(11) kits just as different Adepts, and 5 more classes with 9-11 kits each... this has... 4? Maybe you can make each one be a bit different, I don't know. So, this doesn't make much sense in the context of it being the skepticism thread, but I still think it's probably worth trying the demo, unless time/space/other restraints keep you from it.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 21, 2018 4:27:34 GMT
dmc1001 yeah, I really don't feel like I'm the the target demographic for Anthem; I really like my 3rd person, single player, story driven games with either tactical or full-action play. I'm not really an always-online-multiplayer kind of person, but ME3MP surprised me, tearing me away from the story-side for almost a year, and that in itself has kind of opened me up to different possibilities. Yes, I know I'm starting to sound pretty not-skeptical... for now I have no intention of buying the game, and I'll be going into the free demo with a cautious toe dipping in. I'll see what there is to see, and then maybe make some kind of final judgement. I really don't think the first-person story bits in Fort Tarsis are going to be enough to draw me in, and the combat alone might not be there either, especially with so few kits to work with. ME3MP has 10(11) kits just as different Adepts, and 5 more classes with 9-11 kits each... this has... 4? Maybe you can make each one be a bit different, I don't know. So, this doesn't make much sense in the context of it being the skepticism thread, but I still think it's probably worth trying the demo, unless time/space/other restraints keep you from it. Not matching the variety of ME3MP, or at least coming close, is a major mistake. Skepticism returns
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 21, 2018 4:29:35 GMT
So, this doesn't make much sense in the context of it being the skepticism thread, but I still think it's probably worth trying the demo, unless time/space/other restraints keep you from it. I could do the demo but I can't see myself being devoted to running with a single group on any kind of regular basis. I just won't be able to fit it into my schedule. My experience is that if I don't buy from loot crates I'll continuously fall behind. I play SW:GoH on my phone. It's fun and I used to be among the top ten players in my guild. Then people started spending money and my rankings plummeted. It's fine in a game like that but it won't fly when a team is depending on my in a fight.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 21, 2018 4:48:08 GMT
So, this doesn't make much sense in the context of it being the skepticism thread, but I still think it's probably worth trying the demo, unless time/space/other restraints keep you from it. I could do the demo but I can't see myself being devoted to running with a single group on any kind of regular basis. I just won't be able to fit it into my schedule. My experience is that if I don't buy from loot crates I'll continuously fall behind. I play SW:GoH on my phone. It's fun and I used to be among the top ten players in my guild. Then people started spending money and my rankings plummeted. It's fine in a game like that but it won't fly when a team is depending on my in a fight. But, and I hate being the devil's advocate so damn you Playing ME3MP, 97% of my career, is either PUG or solo. For a brief time, I played with my bestest friends from this game, and I miss them all since they have lives and moved on. I have none, and my new besties don't shame me, because they are like me. The pugs are NPCs my bro. When one of them is good, it blows your mind, and if you happen to have a pleasant conversational exchange because they revived you or vice versa, maybe you make that person a friend request so that you can try a harder difficulty sometime, or crush the current difficulty, together, with the 2 other NPCs.. Not to totally discredit the NPCs, some of them are legend. They just didn't like me/didn't accept my request, I didn't like their habits despite being impressed by their skills, or, wait for it.... The number one reason.... Who fucking cares about them? Lol, they're pugs, I'll find more. I am sure they will provide an option to mute voice chat in the game, so you don't have to deal with "always on" microphones recording some asshole's dog barking while his wife screams at a kitten while Uncle Bob and Randy talk about the President in the kitchen. That was a problem in ME3MP, still is. I just quit the lobby. So, in short... If you decide to get good enough to be competent at playing the multiplayer game, you will have a blast if it is well crafted game. Even if you rarely, or never, play with friends. I was already "good", and thought I was really good (I actually was really not at all lol) before I ever started playing with friends regularly. Organically, they just happened to be forumites. And were almost all better than me by a little bit at minimum at the time. They never complained when I needed help, and we rarely failed, and we also rarely talked a lot or made it a super-social "multiplayer with friends, unicorns, shamrocks and tiger blood!" We just played, and if someone did something remarkable, we remarked on it When I died to a stupid teleporting Banshee for the third time in 5 waves and I raged on radio for a minute, my "friends" did what real friends do... They laughed their asses off
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 21, 2018 4:52:00 GMT
If you decide to get good enough to be competent at playing the multiplayer game, you will have a blast if it is well crafted game. Even if you rarely, or never, play with friends. Eh. Not that interested. I kind of hate people. At least in MP. All the horror stories make me not want to play. Also, if I heard one damn word of anti-gay shit - like Fallout 76...so, nah. I don't have a filter on what I might say - online or in person.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 21, 2018 5:02:13 GMT
If you decide to get good enough to be competent at playing the multiplayer game, you will have a blast if it is well crafted game. Even if you rarely, or never, play with friends. Eh. Not that interested. I kind of hate people. At least in MP. All the horror stories make me not want to play. Also, if I heard one damn word of anti-gay shit - like Fallout 76...so, nah. I don't have a filter on what I might say - online or in person. I understand. I agree. I have told Nazi racist CoD dicks to GTFO on a Pogo. Homophobes too. Then ragequit. It happens. Sometimes just the username alone. (Not all though. Some can be incredibly amusing from sheer creativity) Again, BioWare PLEASE... Give us the option to mute all player-generated audio. It is a simple switch. Better yet, let us mute by player. Many other games have been able to do this for years. Unironically, biowerpls. If they do that, again I reiterate, the playing with others is simply NPCs companions with weird variable AI that goes from DERP to holyshitamazinghowthefuckihavetotrythatwhoa. You don't have to friend anyone, and if you also don't have to listen to them if you don't want to, again try the demo. I am no salesman. Look back to the Andromeda pages around release, and be amazed I wasn't banned. Fuck that game. I just have this glimmer of hope that they got their shit together for Anthem. If they did, I would be honored to silently die with you. o7
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Post by Vall on Dec 21, 2018 7:54:24 GMT
Better yet, let us mute by player. Many other games have been able to do this for years. Unironically, biowerpls. MEAMP has this, so there is a hope Anthem will have it too.
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Post by lennybusker on Dec 21, 2018 12:15:11 GMT
My enjoyment of co-op PVE games is largely dependent on how much you really need teammates to pull their weight. I do have a few online friends that I group with from time to time but they don't play anything as much as I do, so I usually have to rely on matchmaking. In a game like Destiny (2), especially in endgame content, it's tough to carry when you get grouped up with people that just have no idea what they're doing. Conversely I got into and really enjoyed Warframe, where even in Sorties you can pretty much just hoist all 3 teammates onto your back and Samwise their asses to the finish line if you're solid.
Anthem's team "carryability" is definitely going to influence my enjoyment.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 21, 2018 12:27:53 GMT
So, in keeping with my opinions about cooperative/MP play, here's a Forbes article: Well This Is Some Very Bad News About BioWare's 'Anthem'The relevant part, for me at least, comes from a BW dev named Thomas Singleton: "This is launching a new IP for EA, for BioWare, and we’re super proud of it. We’re excited because we’re bringing connectivity and co-op environmental gameplay to the game along with great storytelling and that’s rarely done. We’re pushing team dynamics, that’s where the game really begins to sell. Where the product shines is playing as that squad, you’re working together as a unit to go and conquer various missions. If you want to play the experience solo that’s your option, it probably won’t be as rewarding, you won’t have that team dynamic. The game will scale based on whether you’re by yourself or playing with three other people." This, of course, is why I was never interested in the game. I hate cooperative gaming. I'm not that great of a game player and have no desire to spend time pumping up my skills to keep up with people I don't even know. In case I was undecided before, no Anthem for me. You don't need to be great. I am happy to revive people and be hero of the day. Your scrubness is my challenge. Randoms are just that - you never know how you'll do with randoms sets of players and you might have to adapt to beat the mission. You don't need to pump up your skills. Just enter the difficulty you feel you can contribute or not die too often. There's always players who can take more workload. Coop gameplay is one of the best ways to play - what's better than leaving no one behind and saying "We did it!" in the end?
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 21, 2018 12:35:02 GMT
If you decide to get good enough to be competent at playing the multiplayer game, you will have a blast if it is well crafted game. Even if you rarely, or never, play with friends. Eh. Not that interested. I kind of hate people. At least in MP. All the horror stories make me not want to play. Also, if I heard one damn word of anti-gay shit - like Fallout 76...so, nah. I don't have a filter on what I might say - online or in person. There will be douchebags. Especially at launch. But they will be far fewer and rarer than in competitive shooters. Or typically "male" games. You get quite a mixed audience usually with bioware games, tho Anthem might be different attraction. Anyway, most coop games I've played were pretty mild compared to PvP games. And then there is a mute button generally. Or just leaving the lobby and new matchmaking. Most of the matches I've played in ME3MP were with randos and they were just like good AI most of the time.
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Post by PillarBiter on Dec 21, 2018 12:43:14 GMT
So, in keeping with my opinions about cooperative/MP play, here's a Forbes article: Well This Is Some Very Bad News About BioWare's 'Anthem'The relevant part, for me at least, comes from a BW dev named Thomas Singleton: "This is launching a new IP for EA, for BioWare, and we’re super proud of it. We’re excited because we’re bringing connectivity and co-op environmental gameplay to the game along with great storytelling and that’s rarely done. We’re pushing team dynamics, that’s where the game really begins to sell. Where the product shines is playing as that squad, you’re working together as a unit to go and conquer various missions. If you want to play the experience solo that’s your option, it probably won’t be as rewarding, you won’t have that team dynamic. The game will scale based on whether you’re by yourself or playing with three other people." This, of course, is why I was never interested in the game. I hate cooperative gaming. I'm not that great of a game player and have no desire to spend time pumping up my skills to keep up with people I don't even know. In case I was undecided before, no Anthem for me. You don't need to be great. I am happy to revive people and be hero of the day. Your scrubness is my challenge. Randoms are just that - you never know how you'll do with randoms sets of players and you might have to adapt to beat the mission. You don't need to pump up your skills. Just enter the difficulty you feel you can contribute or not die too often. There's always players who can take more workload. Coop gameplay is one of the best ways to play - what's better than leaving no one behind and saying "We did it!" in the end? True, in the end it is about you having fun, and nothing else. If you have fun playing only at easy, that's your prerogative. If you have fun getting alll teh good lootz, that's ok too.
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Post by traks on Dec 21, 2018 13:44:53 GMT
So, in keeping with my opinions about cooperative/MP play, here's a Forbes article: Well This Is Some Very Bad News About BioWare's 'Anthem'The relevant part, for me at least, comes from a BW dev named Thomas Singleton: "This is launching a new IP for EA, for BioWare, and we’re super proud of it. We’re excited because we’re bringing connectivity and co-op environmental gameplay to the game along with great storytelling and that’s rarely done. We’re pushing team dynamics, that’s where the game really begins to sell. Where the product shines is playing as that squad, you’re working together as a unit to go and conquer various missions. If you want to play the experience solo that’s your option, it probably won’t be as rewarding, you won’t have that team dynamic. The game will scale based on whether you’re by yourself or playing with three other people." This, of course, is why I was never interested in the game. I hate cooperative gaming. I'm not that great of a game player and have no desire to spend time pumping up my skills to keep up with people I don't even know. In case I was undecided before, no Anthem for me. I don't get this line of thinking. If you play solo, isn't it a moot point whether the devs think that the game shines more with team play? The only relevant question for a solo player will be whether the game is fun playing it solo, no? So why not simply try the game solo when the demo goes live?
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Post by PillarBiter on Dec 21, 2018 14:39:26 GMT
So, in keeping with my opinions about cooperative/MP play, here's a Forbes article: Well This Is Some Very Bad News About BioWare's 'Anthem'The relevant part, for me at least, comes from a BW dev named Thomas Singleton: "This is launching a new IP for EA, for BioWare, and we’re super proud of it. We’re excited because we’re bringing connectivity and co-op environmental gameplay to the game along with great storytelling and that’s rarely done. We’re pushing team dynamics, that’s where the game really begins to sell. Where the product shines is playing as that squad, you’re working together as a unit to go and conquer various missions. If you want to play the experience solo that’s your option, it probably won’t be as rewarding, you won’t have that team dynamic. The game will scale based on whether you’re by yourself or playing with three other people." This, of course, is why I was never interested in the game. I hate cooperative gaming. I'm not that great of a game player and have no desire to spend time pumping up my skills to keep up with people I don't even know. In case I was undecided before, no Anthem for me. I don't get this line of thinking. If you play solo, isn't it a moot point whether the devs think that the game shines more with team play? The only relevant question for a solo player will be whether the game is fun playing it solo, no? So why not simply try the game solo when the demo goes live? This is the skepticism thread. You coming in here with your logic and rational thinking is not appreciated, friend.
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Post by Arne Saknussemm on Dec 21, 2018 15:01:10 GMT
This is the skepticism thread. Apologies asking a noob question. Is this thread a roleplay thing?
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 21, 2018 15:06:07 GMT
This is the skepticism thread. Apologies asking a noob question. Is this thread a roleplay thing? Not per se, but there's all kinds of people around and some might be playing.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 21, 2018 15:13:57 GMT
So, this doesn't make much sense in the context of it being the skepticism thread, but I still think it's probably worth trying the demo, unless time/space/other restraints keep you from it. I could do the demo but I can't see myself being devoted to running with a single group on any kind of regular basis. I just won't be able to fit it into my schedule. My experience is that if I don't buy from loot crates I'll continuously fall behind. I play SW:GoH on my phone. It's fun and I used to be among the top ten players in my guild. Then people started spending money and my rankings plummeted. It's fine in a game like that but it won't fly when a team is depending on my in a fight. I feel the same way in regards to this game, although I'll point out, the purchasable items are only cosmetic, so no pay to win.
I tried the Alpha, and while I obviously can't talk about my experience, let me say, it was what one would typically expect from an alpha, not much was working or available to experience. I'll give the demo a try, but this is simply not my type of game either. The demo might give me more of a idea whether playing solo is fun for me or not.
I don't mind team play sometimes, but generally only do it with friends, so I'll typically play games that my friends are playing if I want to join them. I face a similar problem in that I don't have time to spend playing coop games anymore. Plus, I like to take my time and look around at the scenery, find loot etc. With a group, there is pressure to stay with the group and do what they do.
Nothing wrong with people liking PUGs and such, people should do what they enjoy, and avoid what they don't. Life is too short.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 21, 2018 15:18:56 GMT
This is the skepticism thread. You coming in here with your logic and rational thinking is not appreciated, friend. lol, I know this was a joke, but I don't think claiming skepticism is not based in logic and rational thinking is necessary or realistic. Sure, to some topics that might apply *coughconspiracytheoriescough* but generally in this thread people are expressing their dislike of this type of game. It's a matter of taste, and subjective by nature. Personally, this isnt my preferred type of game, so I likely won't be buying it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 21, 2018 15:33:21 GMT
I feel the same way in regards to this game, although I'll point out, the purchasable items are only cosmetic, so no pay to win. Let's just say that's true "for now". I lack trust in EA. Sure, to some topics that might apply *coughconspiracytheoriescough* but generally in this thread people are expressing their dislike of this type of game. Some of us tried to argue Flat Earth fit the terms of religion, which we're not allowed to discuss, but SofaJockey didn't agree. Or, he might have on principle but not as far as ProBoard rules.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 21, 2018 15:37:29 GMT
I feel the same way in regards to this game, although I'll point out, the purchasable items are only cosmetic, so no pay to win. Let's just say that's true "for now". I lack trust in EA. Sure, to some topics that might apply *coughconspiracytheoriescough* but generally in this thread people are expressing their dislike of this type of game. Some of us tried to argue Flat Earth fit the terms of religion, which we're not allowed to discuss, but SofaJockey didn't agree. Or, he might have on principle but not as far as ProBoard rules. Yeah that thread is fun I didn't know that. I think it fits too, but lets not derail here though. lol
I lack trust in them too. They like to say something is true 'at launch' so no guarantees as time goes on.
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Post by regack on Dec 21, 2018 15:48:23 GMT
But generally in this thread people are expressing their dislike of this type of game. It's a matter of taste, and subjective by nature. Personally, this isnt my preferred type of game, so I likely won't be buying it. That's why I'm kind of here, since the announcement, it's not really been shaping up to be my type of game... I'm skeptical that there will be something in it that I'm going to enjoy for hundreds of hours, and unless it proves otherwise during the demo, it's not on my wishlist. I don't think I've actually added to the conversation here Space Cowboy, I know you can't break NDA, but are you going to be trying the demo because it's more likely to give you an experience in line with the actual game rather than the beta-experience on the off chance that you might find something in there that sparks your interest?
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