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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 21, 2018 15:53:49 GMT
That's why I'm kind of here, since the announcement, it's not really been shaping up to be my type of game... I'm skeptical that there will be something in it that I'm going to enjoy for hundreds of hours, and unless it proves otherwise during the demo, it's not on my wishlist. Also what I think. I love RPG. I love getting to make choices in my interactions with others and have it develop into friendships and romance, or not if you choose that route. It doesn't seem like Anthem is going to be that sort of thing. Yeah, I'll check out the demo. Even if I like it I'll probably wait to hear feedback over the following few months, also giving them the necessary time to work out most of the bugs. Like most games these days, they're full of bugs at launch. By not giving in until bugs are fixed, there's potential for stopping game companies from doing this sort of thing. The trick is to make it known you'd love to buy but not with bugs. I wonder if this would have saved MEA.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 21, 2018 16:09:04 GMT
That's why I'm kind of here, since the announcement, it's not really been shaping up to be my type of game... I'm skeptical that there will be something in it that I'm going to enjoy for hundreds of hours, and unless it proves otherwise during the demo, it's not on my wishlist. Also what I think. I love RPG. I love getting to make choices in my interactions with others and have it develop into friendships and romance, or not if you choose that route. It doesn't seem like Anthem is going to be that sort of thing. Yeah, I'll check out the demo. Even if I like it I'll probably wait to hear feedback over the following few months, also giving them the necessary time to work out most of the bugs. Like most games these days, they're full of bugs at launch. By not giving in until bugs are fixed, there's potential for stopping game companies from doing this sort of thing. The trick is to make it known you'd love to buy but not with bugs. I wonder if this would have saved MEA. I don't think so. But with a new franchise buyers won't be that "preconvinced" than when they decide to purchase a tested and loved franchise.
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Post by lennybusker on Dec 21, 2018 16:35:01 GMT
I don't get this line of thinking. If you play solo, isn't it a moot point whether the devs think that the game shines more with team play? The only relevant question for a solo player will be whether the game is fun playing it solo, no? So why not simply try the game solo when the demo goes live? This is the skepticism thread. You coming in here with your logic and rational thinking is not appreciated, friend. Can people not do this? There is essentially zero blind hatred of Bioware or Anthem in this thread, everyone is simply voicing their own subjective opinions on Anthem material and whether or not it will fit their personal tastes. You're insinuating that there is defacto no logic or rationality in skeptical opinions. I'd wager that there have been *more* displays of illogical irrationality from people upset about others being skeptical than there have been from any of the doubters. Just let us have one fucking thread where we don't get attacked for not being gung-ho, yeah?
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Post by ahglock on Dec 21, 2018 17:11:15 GMT
So, in keeping with my opinions about cooperative/MP play, here's a Forbes article: Well This Is Some Very Bad News About BioWare's 'Anthem'The relevant part, for me at least, comes from a BW dev named Thomas Singleton: "This is launching a new IP for EA, for BioWare, and we’re super proud of it. We’re excited because we’re bringing connectivity and co-op environmental gameplay to the game along with great storytelling and that’s rarely done. We’re pushing team dynamics, that’s where the game really begins to sell. Where the product shines is playing as that squad, you’re working together as a unit to go and conquer various missions. If you want to play the experience solo that’s your option, it probably won’t be as rewarding, you won’t have that team dynamic. The game will scale based on whether you’re by yourself or playing with three other people." This, of course, is why I was never interested in the game. I hate cooperative gaming. I'm not that great of a game player and have no desire to spend time pumping up my skills to keep up with people I don't even know. In case I was undecided before, no Anthem for me. I don't get this line of thinking. If you play solo, isn't it a moot point whether the devs think that the game shines more with team play? The only relevant question for a solo player will be whether the game is fun playing it solo, no? So why not simply try the game solo when the demo goes live? Games that are designed for mp rarely are good at sp. it’s like how a sports car isn’t good at doing dump runs. The closest games to this as far as we can tell, division and destiny are pretty stale as sp games.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 21, 2018 18:06:18 GMT
But generally in this thread people are expressing their dislike of this type of game. It's a matter of taste, and subjective by nature. Personally, this isnt my preferred type of game, so I likely won't be buying it. That's why I'm kind of here, since the announcement, it's not really been shaping up to be my type of game... I'm skeptical that there will be something in it that I'm going to enjoy for hundreds of hours, and unless it proves otherwise during the demo, it's not on my wishlist. I don't think I've actually added to the conversation here Space Cowboy , I know you can't break NDA, but are you going to be trying the demo because it's more likely to give you an experience in line with the actual game rather than the beta-experience on the off chance that you might find something in there that sparks your interest? More curiosity for how the game will look complete. Alpha's being alpha's, there wasn't much ready to show. There were limitations *redacted* that make me curious how the final product will look.
I'm not expecting the nature of the game to change, therefore, I am not expecting my current decision not to purchase will change. That decision predated the alpha, by the way, just to be clear.
A small part of it, of course, is 'because I can'
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Post by regack on Dec 21, 2018 18:13:21 GMT
That's why I'm kind of here, since the announcement, it's not really been shaping up to be my type of game... I'm skeptical that there will be something in it that I'm going to enjoy for hundreds of hours, and unless it proves otherwise during the demo, it's not on my wishlist. I don't think I've actually added to the conversation here Space Cowboy , I know you can't break NDA, but are you going to be trying the demo because it's more likely to give you an experience in line with the actual game rather than the beta-experience on the off chance that you might find something in there that sparks your interest? More curiosity for how the game will look complete. Alpha's being alpha's, there wasn't much ready to show. There were limitations *redacted* that make me curious how the final product will look.
I'm not expecting the nature of the game to change, therefore, I am not expecting my current decision not to purchase will change. That decision predated the alpha, by the way, just to be clear.
A small part of it, of course, is 'because I can'
Actually this really does answer quite a lot for me, so thank you. I too will engage a certain amount of 'because I can' when trying the demo
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 21, 2018 21:52:25 GMT
Apologies asking a noob question. Is this thread a roleplay thing? It seems to be for some people, at least. /s
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Post by PillarBiter on Dec 23, 2018 8:34:52 GMT
This is the skepticism thread. You coming in here with your logic and rational thinking is not appreciated, friend. Can people not do this? There is essentially zero blind hatred of Bioware or Anthem in this thread, everyone is simply voicing their own subjective opinions on Anthem material and whether or not it will fit their personal tastes. You're insinuating that there is defacto no logic or rationality in skeptical opinions. I'd wager that there have been *more* displays of illogical irrationality from people upset about others being skeptical than there have been from any of the doubters. Just let us have one fucking thread where we don't get attacked for not being gung-ho, yeah? As much as i love to wind up people and watch ‘m go with innocuous seemingly harmless sarcastic comments (it’s a flas of mine, i’ll honestly admit it...). It was by all intents and purposes a joking statement of the sarcastic mind. As a matter of fact, i was even agreeing with the quotee. I will take my leave after this clarification and leave this thread to unbrideled skepticism. As it should be in it’s goal and liberty. On topic. If I may have on skeptic thought towards the game it’s the grind. I cant bring myself to play 24/7 anymore, and do wonder exactly how much others will overpower me if i dont play as much. For example. If one player through grinding has +200 lightning damage, and one cast clears a whole room, this is not fun for others. I hioe there are ceilings for builds, so nothing too overpowered can bE created.
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Post by Gileadan on Dec 23, 2018 10:01:12 GMT
On topic. If I may have on skeptic thought towards the game it’s the grind. I cant bring myself to play 24/7 anymore, and do wonder exactly how much others will overpower me if i dont play as much. For example. If one player through grinding has +200 lightning damage, and one cast clears a whole room, this is not fun for others. I hioe there are ceilings for builds, so nothing too overpowered can bE created. I am pretty sure there is damage scaling within your current group of players. For example, if one guy in your group rocks the Devastating Arc Scourge of Ultimate Armageddon that strikes down hordes of enemies with a crash of thunder for 4000 damage and you go in with the Noobtube of the Clueless Scrub that makes funny farting sounds for about 8 damage on a lucky day, your damage output will be scaled up to be close to that other guy so you always feel that you're contributing.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 23, 2018 10:03:18 GMT
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Post by PillarBiter on Dec 23, 2018 15:01:52 GMT
On topic. If I may have on skeptic thought towards the game it’s the grind. I cant bring myself to play 24/7 anymore, and do wonder exactly how much others will overpower me if i dont play as much. For example. If one player through grinding has +200 lightning damage, and one cast clears a whole room, this is not fun for others. I hioe there are ceilings for builds, so nothing too overpowered can bE created. I am pretty sure there is damage scaling within your current group of players. For example, if one guy in your group rocks the Devastating Arc Scourge of Ultimate Armageddon that strikes down hordes of enemies with a crash of thunder for 4000 damage and you go in with the Noobtube of the Clueless Scrub that makes funny farting sounds for about 8 damage on a lucky day, your damage output will be scaled up to be close to that other guy so you always feel that you're contributing. Fantastic post.
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Post by Shinobu on Dec 23, 2018 16:42:14 GMT
On topic. If I may have on skeptic thought towards the game it’s the grind. I cant bring myself to play 24/7 anymore, and do wonder exactly how much others will overpower me if i dont play as much. For example. If one player through grinding has +200 lightning damage, and one cast clears a whole room, this is not fun for others. I hioe there are ceilings for builds, so nothing too overpowered can bE created. Noobtube of the Clueless Scrub That thing is deadly on full auto. I use it while soloing Eezo difficulty all the time.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 26, 2018 18:45:53 GMT
Any new words on replaying the campaign as an organic playthrough with an existing character.....or will that work like Destiny as well where you can replay single missions but no real campaign replay?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 26, 2018 19:11:59 GMT
Any new words on replaying the campaign as an organic playthrough with an existing character.....or will that work like Destiny as well where you can replay single missions but no real campaign replay? As I understand it, it's more like Destiny. You can replay single missions. Are you asking about a New Game+ kind of replay? Because Bioware hasn't supported that ever, AFAIK (ignoring DAI's new game+ish my schematics and collectibles, but not my gear or character, feature). Replaying the campaign with a completely new rolled character, yes, but it is not clear that Anthem will support that. It may only be one character per player account, or a very small number. Or you may have to create a new "player account" under one "owner account," if the platform supports game sharing in the same household. I'd say the concept of "campaign" isn't really part of Anthem in the first place. There is a critical path story and some kind of progression with the three relationship NPCs, and maybe some other stuff. Not sure how much "side quest" content there will be -- some, according to the first E3 video, so not zero.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 26, 2018 21:39:36 GMT
Are you asking about a New Game+ kind of replay? Because Bioware hasn't supported that ever ME1 had new game +. I have no idea what you're talking about tbh, new game + is not foreign to BioWare.
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Post by officerdonnz on Dec 26, 2018 22:29:50 GMT
Are you asking about a New Game+ kind of replay? Because Bioware hasn't supported that ever ME1 had new game +. I have no idea what you're talking about tbh, new game + is not foreign to BioWare. ME2 and ME3 also had a New Game + mode. And ME:A as well I think. So new game + is old hat for Bioware at this point. Now if it'll be in Anthem is another question.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 27, 2018 3:05:39 GMT
Are you asking about a New Game+ kind of replay? Because Bioware hasn't supported that ever ME1 had new game +. I have no idea what you're talking about tbh, new game + is not foreign to BioWare. ME1 had new game +. I have no idea what you're talking about tbh, new game + is not foreign to BioWare. ME2 and ME3 also had a New Game + mode. And ME:A as well I think. So new game + is old hat for Bioware at this point. Now if it'll be in Anthem is another question. My bad, you guys are right. ME1, ME2 and ME3 all supported New Game+ with the same Shepard, and MEA the same Pathfinder, keeping inventory and XP level, among other things.
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Post by regack on Dec 27, 2018 3:26:14 GMT
ME1 had new game +. I have no idea what you're talking about tbh, new game + is not foreign to BioWare. ME2 and ME3 also had a New Game + mode. And ME:A as well I think. So new game + is old hat for Bioware at this point. Now if it'll be in Anthem is another question. I don't think it was called the same thing, but couldn't you just import a save from a finished game back in Baldur's Gate? Like it would keep your XP, class, race, alignment, etc? I don't quite remember.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 27, 2018 3:47:16 GMT
Any new words on replaying the campaign as an organic playthrough with an existing character.....or will that work like Destiny as well where you can replay single missions but no real campaign replay? I would think it’s like any mmo in that respect. No new game + In fact in an early interview a dev said he can’t imagine why anyone would want to replay from the beginning at all. Not sure if they have revised their thinking on that.
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Post by officerdonnz on Dec 27, 2018 3:48:07 GMT
ME2 and ME3 also had a New Game + mode. And ME:A as well I think. So new game + is old hat for Bioware at this point. Now if it'll be in Anthem is another question. I don't think it was called the same thing, but couldn't you just import a save from a finished game back in Baldur's Gate? Like it would keep your XP, class, race, alignment, etc? I don't quite remember. You could but the enemies wouldn't scale and that really was cheating Hasn't stopped me from doing it
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Post by ahglock on Dec 27, 2018 4:50:10 GMT
Any new words on replaying the campaign as an organic playthrough with an existing character.....or will that work like Destiny as well where you can replay single missions but no real campaign replay? I would think it’s like any mmo in that respect. No new game + In fact in an early interview a dev said he can’t imagine why anyone would want to replay from the beginning at all. Not sure if they have revised their thinking on that. I hope that’s not accurate. If a game has a good story I can replay it a lot. I’d like to think they are confident enough in their story that they’d think people would like to do that. It’s not about redoing missions at random but experiencing the story again from the beginning. Halo, uncharted, most rpgs, borderlands 1&2 etc I replayed those games multiple times for the story alone.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 27, 2018 10:41:04 GMT
I would think it’s like any mmo in that respect. No new game + In fact in an early interview a dev said he can’t imagine why anyone would want to replay from the beginning at all. Not sure if they have revised their thinking on that. I hope that’s not accurate. If a game has a good story I can replay it a lot. I’d like to think they are confident enough in their story that they’d think people would like to do that. It’s not about redoing missions at random but experiencing the story again from the beginning. Halo, uncharted, most rpgs, borderlands 1&2 etc I replayed those games multiple times for the story alone. Oh sure. I doubt it was a lack of confidence. More a play style they hoped to promote. They also said it wasn’t as story focussed as their other titles. They seem to want people to get to the end of the story and keep experiencing ‘elder game’ content.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 27, 2018 19:56:09 GMT
I hope that’s not accurate. If a game has a good story I can replay it a lot. I’d like to think they are confident enough in their story that they’d think people would like to do that. It’s not about redoing missions at random but experiencing the story again from the beginning. Halo, uncharted, most rpgs, borderlands 1&2 etc I replayed those games multiple times for the story alone. Oh sure. I doubt it was a lack of confidence. More a play style they hoped to promote. They also said it wasn’t as story focussed as their other titles. They said the opposite. Here: bsn.boards.net/post/1190860/thread They've been pretty consistent in saying that Bioware story cred is one thing that makes Anthem "special", in comparison to Destiny and Warframe. Anthem isn't as single-player focused as their other titles -- they've been pretty consistent about that as well.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 27, 2018 20:06:52 GMT
I would think it’s like any mmo in that respect. No new game + In fact in an early interview a dev said he can’t imagine why anyone would want to replay from the beginning at all. Not sure if they have revised their thinking on that. I hope that’s not accurate. If a game has a good story I can replay it a lot. I’d like to think they are confident enough in their story that they’d think people would like to do that. It’s not about redoing missions at random but experiencing the story again from the beginning. Halo, uncharted, most rpgs, borderlands 1&2 etc I replayed those games multiple times for the story alone. Yeah, I didn't understand their reticence in allowing you to have as many Freelancers as you want -- since you'd have to create a new character to re-experience the story. BUT, I think I stumbled on the answer. Destiny allows you to have more than one Guardian, but it's capped a 3 max. Why so few? Here's one reason: That said, I think Bioware has said they won't have loot lockouts, but the point still remains -- more characters is a way to scam the progression.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 27, 2018 21:15:35 GMT
ME1 had new game +. I have no idea what you're talking about tbh, new game + is not foreign to BioWare. ME2 and ME3 also had a New Game + mode. And ME:A as well I think. So new game + is old hat for Bioware at this point. Now if it'll be in Anthem is another question. My bad, you guys are right. ME1, ME2 and ME3 all supported New Game+ with the same Shepard, and MEA the same Pathfinder, keeping inventory and XP level, among other things. ...it almost looks like you really don't know what you are talking about in respect to some pretty basic fucking features there...hell in ME1, ME3 and most definitely Andromeda you could not max your character without NG+.... That said, the more I look about this the more I want this to fail just like FO76 did. This has legitimately nothing I want from a proper Bioware game and everything I dont wanr from a destiny clone.
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