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Post by ahglock on Dec 27, 2018 22:42:47 GMT
That said, I think Bioware has said they won't have loot lockouts, but the point still remains -- more characters is a way to scam the progression. Interesting. Though if you just can’t trade looted items, bind on pickup type things wouldn’t that solve the issue. Is there a reason why that isn’t used in these games?
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Post by ahglock on Dec 27, 2018 22:45:56 GMT
My bad, you guys are right. ME1, ME2 and ME3 all supported New Game+ with the same Shepard, and MEA the same Pathfinder, keeping inventory and XP level, among other things. ...it almost looks like you really don't know what you are talking about in respect to some pretty basic fucking features there...hell in ME1, ME3 and most definitely Andromeda you could not max your character without NG+.... That said, the more I look about this the more I want this to fail just like FO76 did. This has legitimately nothing I want from a proper Bioware game and everything I dont wanr from a destiny clone. Jesus why is everyone so hostile. Anyways I don’t hope it to fail, but I suspect this game won’t be for me. I’ll give it 10 hours of freebie time and see if I’m wrong.
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Post by HYR on Dec 28, 2018 6:47:48 GMT
Yeah, I dunno about this Anthem thing. They say it still does strong storytelling, just in a different format, but what (admittedly little) I've seen does not really get me going at all. Some stuff I've heard sounds appealing, other things make me doubt it's for me. I'll probably wait for the price to drop like I did with ME:A (which I had fun with, but don't regret not playing it sooner).
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 28, 2018 9:06:34 GMT
Yeah, I dunno about this Anthem thing. They say it still does strong storytelling, just in a different format, but what (admittedly little) I've seen does not really get me going at all. Some stuff I've heard sounds appealing, other things make me doubt it's for me. I'll probably wait for the price to drop like I did with ME:A (which I had fun with, but don't regret not playing it sooner). Here is how I think it will be: Know Warframe? Like that. Or SWTOR. You get to play a story mission. In that open world. It is like any other mission out there. Sometimes these missions introduce new stuff. Like a javelin. Or your ultimate. Then you return to the base. Conversation and cutscene. The next big thing is announced ominously. But you gottq be more experienced fo that. Also needs more elf root. Go grind some more. Then unlock next story bit. Patch comes - you can replay story missions now. Also new content with story arc. You need snofleur pelts for this. Go grind some.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 28, 2018 14:21:16 GMT
Yeah, I dunno about this Anthem thing. They say it still does strong storytelling, just in a different format, but what (admittedly little) I've seen does not really get me going at all. Some stuff I've heard sounds appealing, other things make me doubt it's for me. I'll probably wait for the price to drop like I did with ME:A (which I had fun with, but don't regret not playing it sooner). Here is how I think it will be: Know Warframe? Like that. Or SWTOR. You get to play a story mission. In that open world. It is like any other mission out there. Sometimes these missions introduce new stuff. Like a javelin. Or your ultimate. Then you return to the base. Conversation and cutscene. The next big thing is announced ominously. But you gottq be more experienced fo that. Also needs more elf root. Go grind some more. Then unlock next story bit. Patch comes - you can replay story missions now. Also new content with story arc. You need snofleur pelts for this. Go grind some. yeah....fuck that shit
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Post by lennybusker on Dec 28, 2018 18:50:15 GMT
Yeah, I dunno about this Anthem thing. They say it still does strong storytelling, just in a different format, but what (admittedly little) I've seen does not really get me going at all. Some stuff I've heard sounds appealing, other things make me doubt it's for me. I'll probably wait for the price to drop like I did with ME:A (which I had fun with, but don't regret not playing it sooner). Here is how I think it will be: Know Warframe? Like that. Or SWTOR. You get to play a story mission. In that open world. It is like any other mission out there. Sometimes these missions introduce new stuff. Like a javelin. Or your ultimate. Then you return to the base. Conversation and cutscene. The next big thing is announced ominously. But you gottq be more experienced fo that. Also needs more elf root. Go grind some more. Then unlock next story bit. Patch comes - you can replay story missions now. Also new content with story arc. You need snofleur pelts for this. Go grind some. On one hand I am still baffled that there are some many people that don't get this, but on the other hand the drama from people who are hardcore BioWare RPG fans and still in denial is going to be delicious. I'm still planning on jumping in opening day. Worst case scenario is that it's just a middling title that winds up mediocre in my own personal estimation and reviews. Runner up best case is that it's a really great game and I end up enjoying it. Absolute best case is that it's a flaming trainwreck and the wailing and gnashing of teeth will be legendary.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 29, 2018 1:59:26 GMT
My bad, you guys are right. ME1, ME2 and ME3 all supported New Game+ with the same Shepard, and MEA the same Pathfinder, keeping inventory and XP level, among other things. ...it almost looks like you really don't know what you are talking about in respect to some pretty basic fucking features there...hell in ME1, ME3 and most definitely Andromeda you could not max your character without NG+.... No "almost" about it, what I said earlier was dead wrong. I appreciated the correction. I don't often fuck up factually, but when I do, I admit it.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 29, 2018 2:05:33 GMT
On one hand I am still baffled that there are some many people that don't get this Really? Denial is pretty rampant in this fandom. Look at all the people in the DA sub insisting their Warden is coming back for DA4 as a playable character. Or their Inquisitor. When there is obviously no fucking way. Unless you are saying denial in general is baffling, in which case I'm with you.
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Post by lennybusker on Dec 29, 2018 4:00:13 GMT
On one hand I am still baffled that there are some many people that don't get this Really? Denial is pretty rampant in this fandom. Look at all the people in the DA sub insisting their Warden is coming back for DA4 as a playable character. Or their Inquisitor. When there is obviously no fucking way. Unless you are saying denial in general is baffling, in which case I'm with you. I mean you too though, like 2 days ago you were thinking Anthem would have a single player save file,
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 29, 2018 16:26:23 GMT
I played ME3MP for three reasons. It took me a while to appreciate the third, so focus on 1&2 in regards to Anthem.
I played ME3MP because...
1) I had become enamoured with the ME universe over the course of 3 games, and wasn't ready to not play ME
2) The ending ripped my guts out and I had no desire to play SP again for a long time.
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Anthem doesn't have the positive of 1, or the negative of 2. That means they are 100% counting on number 3.
3) It was well made for the most part, with interesting quirks and mechanics to be learnt, and I got to see almost all the races of the Milky Way do their part.
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Anthem can only be a well made game. None of us will have any nostalgia for playing as, uh, a human being again. None of us has any nostalgia for things we have never tried or seen before. We might like new things, but we won't yearn for them that's not how it works.
...
So, Anthem has a massive uphill battle. Financially, I think this game is going to be a fantastic failure for EA and that would make me happy. This game is a fucking waste of talent; it should have been made by Respawn.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 29, 2018 17:36:06 GMT
Really? Denial is pretty rampant in this fandom. Look at all the people in the DA sub insisting their Warden is coming back for DA4 as a playable character. Or their Inquisitor. When there is obviously no fucking way. Unless you are saying denial in general is baffling, in which case I'm with you. I mean you too though, like 2 days ago you were thinking Anthem would have a single player save file, Yeah, yeah, but that wasn't denial. That was just simple stupidity.
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Post by majesticjazz on Dec 29, 2018 20:02:54 GMT
I played ME3MP for three reasons. It took me a while to appreciate the third, so focus on 1&2 in regards to Anthem. I played ME3MP because...1) I had become enamoured with the ME universe over the course of 3 games, and wasn't ready to not play ME 2) The ending ripped my guts out and I had no desire to play SP again for a long time. ... Anthem doesn't have the positive of 1, or the negative of 2. That means they are 100% counting on number 3. 3) It was well made for the most part, with interesting quirks and mechanics to be learnt, and I got to see almost all the races of the Milky Way do their part. ... Anthem can only be a well made game. None of us will have any nostalgia for playing as, uh, a human being again. None of us has any nostalgia for things we have never tried or seen before. We might like new things, but we won't yearn for them that's not how it works. ... So, Anthem has a massive uphill battle. Financially, I think this game is going to be a fantastic failure for EA and that would make me happy. This game is a fucking waste of talent; it should have been made by Respawn. Anthem will not be a financial failure. In fact, I expect it to be a financial hit for EA/Bioware as it will draw in the curiosity of many Division and Destiny fans "early on". I highlight "early on" because a game like this will live or die not on how it does at launch but how long it can sustain the numbers because of its focus on online. Bioware's challenge is to not get people to buy their game cause many people will. The challenge is to keep them playing late into the year and beyond. Remember, Division 2 comes out shortly after Anthem and other big AAA games will potentially come out in 2019 such as Last of Us 2, Death Stranding, The Outer Worlds and possibly.....:::gasp::: Cyberpunk 2077
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Post by lennybusker on Dec 30, 2018 0:51:46 GMT
Anthem will not be a financial failure. In fact, I expect it to be a financial hit for EA/Bioware as it will draw in the curiosity of many Division and Destiny fans "early on". I highlight "early on" because a game like this will live or die not on how it does at launch but how long it can sustain the numbers because of its focus on online. Bioware's challenge is to not get people to buy their game cause many people will. The challenge is to keep them playing late into the year and beyond. Remember, Division 2 comes out shortly after Anthem and other big AAA games will potentially come out in 2019 such as Last of Us 2, Death Stranding, The Outer Worlds and possibly.....:::gasp::: Cyberpunk 2077 They don't give a shit if you continue playing, what they want is for you to spend money. Player retention for this type of game is meaningless if there's not a revenue stream to follow. That's the entire reason why this game is the type of game it is, BWEA wants a game with a continuing revenue stream.
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Post by majesticjazz on Dec 30, 2018 3:08:08 GMT
Anthem will not be a financial failure. In fact, I expect it to be a financial hit for EA/Bioware as it will draw in the curiosity of many Division and Destiny fans "early on". I highlight "early on" because a game like this will live or die not on how it does at launch but how long it can sustain the numbers because of its focus on online. Bioware's challenge is to not get people to buy their game cause many people will. The challenge is to keep them playing late into the year and beyond. Remember, Division 2 comes out shortly after Anthem and other big AAA games will potentially come out in 2019 such as Last of Us 2, Death Stranding, The Outer Worlds and possibly.....:::gasp::: Cyberpunk 2077 They don't give a shit if you continue playing, what they want is for you to spend money. Player retention for this type of game is meaningless if there's not a revenue stream to follow. That's the entire reason why this game is the type of game it is, BWEA wants a game with a continuing revenue stream. But if nobody is playing this game in large numbers 10 months from now, then their revenue stream is meaningless. EA is banking on Microtransactions. Yes, all DLC may be "free" but there is a catch. Bioware will have it designed where if you want flashy cosmetic items, you'll have to endlessly grind for it.....or you can just pay for it in thr ingame store for an extremely low price. Remember, this is EA we are talking about here and their policy towards Anthem will not be consumer first.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 30, 2018 3:15:02 GMT
Drawing in fans early on in a games-as-a-service model, and failing to retain them, is absolutely a financial failure. So, majesticjazz, we agree then?
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Post by lennybusker on Dec 30, 2018 6:33:36 GMT
They don't give a shit if you continue playing, what they want is for you to spend money. Player retention for this type of game is meaningless if there's not a revenue stream to follow. That's the entire reason why this game is the type of game it is, BWEA wants a game with a continuing revenue stream. But if nobody is playing this game in large numbers 10 months from now, then their revenue stream is meaningless. EA is banking on Microtransactions. Yes, all DLC may be "free" but there is a catch. Bioware will have it designed where if you want flashy cosmetic items, you'll have to endlessly grind for it.....or you can just pay for it in thr ingame store for an extremely low price. Remember, this is EA we are talking about here and their policy towards Anthem will not be consumer first. That's...what I just said.
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Post by officerdonnz on Dec 30, 2018 21:03:22 GMT
Drawing in fans early on in a games-as-a-service model, and failing to retain them, is absolutely a financial failure. Bioware have been facing that uphill battle even since SW:TOR came out.... Yeah different game but it's been suffering player retention issues it's entire existence.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 30, 2018 21:15:57 GMT
That's...what I just said. And it's clear that's what he meant when he said "keep them playing." You two are vigorously agreeing. I mean, I suppose you could argue it's not in EA's interest to keep players playing if they never spend an additional dime, but since that isn't something they can directly control, the next best thing is to treat it as a volume numbers game. If you get X amount of average recurring revenue from Y% of active players, you want Y to get bigger, or at least, not diminish. Sure, the temptation to squeeze more X out of the Y% by jacking up prices or by making more things monetized will be there. In my experience, that always happens, and not just because its EA, so it's more a matter of when, not if.
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Post by taarsidathanhalsaam on Dec 30, 2018 22:22:18 GMT
Anthem certainly has some appealing features to me, but if you forced me at gunpoint to answer truthfully why I’m getting the game, well... I’m just afraid that if Anthem bombs Bioware might not be around long enough to make the next Dragon Age game.
I love Dragon Age enough that I’ll throw money at this company to make sure it doesn’t become a dead franchise.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 31, 2018 1:14:27 GMT
Anthem certainly has some appealing features to me, but if you forced me at gunpoint to answer truthfully why I’m getting the game, well... I’m just afraid that if Anthem bombs Bioware might not be around long enough to make the next Dragon Age game. I love Dragon Age enough that I’ll throw money at this company to make sure it doesn’t become a dead franchise. According to an interview if Anthem fails BW will not be shut down If that is true please dear lord pray for it to fail miserably because that is the only thing EA understands
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Post by taarsidathanhalsaam on Dec 31, 2018 2:12:29 GMT
Anthem certainly has some appealing features to me, but if you forced me at gunpoint to answer truthfully why I’m getting the game, well... I’m just afraid that if Anthem bombs Bioware might not be around long enough to make the next Dragon Age game. I love Dragon Age enough that I’ll throw money at this company to make sure it doesn’t become a dead franchise. According to an interview if Anthem fails BW will not be shut down If that is true please dear lord pray for it to fail miserably because that is the only thing EA understands It would make me feel a lot better to hear that! Would you mind pointing me in the direction of that interview?
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Post by helios969 on Dec 31, 2018 12:08:37 GMT
According to an interview if Anthem fails BW will not be shut down If that is true please dear lord pray for it to fail miserably because that is the only thing EA understands It would make me feel a lot better to hear that! Would you mind pointing me in the direction of that interview? I don't know how much credence I give it because if Anthem tanks it'll negatively impact future development in some fashion (less resources, more microtransactions...) www.vgr.com/former-bioware-dev-says-bioware-wont-close-if-anthem-fails
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Post by taarsidathanhalsaam on Dec 31, 2018 18:25:39 GMT
Phew, thats... well, its better than nothing!
Though the fact that they’re a “Former” dev... hm.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Dec 31, 2018 18:27:44 GMT
I mean, what else are they going to say? If there was any time to be skeptical about a PR statement, this is it.
Wishing a business disaster on Anthem is just playing Russian Roulette with the future of Bioware. I don't care what they say publicly, it's obvious that if Anthem bombs, things are going to change for Bioware. Like, all of the microtransaction revenue they were hoping to get from Anthem will now have to be made up by DA4. You want paywalls and mtx in your next DA? Go ahead and keep wishing for Anthems demise.
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Post by taarsidathanhalsaam on Dec 31, 2018 18:58:22 GMT
I mean, what else are they going to say? If there was any time to be skeptical about a PR statement, this is it. Wishing a business disaster on Anthem is just playing Russian Roulette with the future of Bioware. I don't care what they say publicly, it's obvious that if Anthem bombs, things are going to change for Bioware. Like, all of the microtransaction revenue they were hoping to get from Anthem will now have to be made up by DA4. You want paywalls and mtx in your next DA? Go ahead and keep wishing for Anthems demise. Well thats upsetting. I guess I have no choice but to try to support Anthem, then. Who knows, it might end up being a great game: it certainly looks great! Then even if I bought into it for the wrong reasons I will end up staying for the right ones! Until Bioware’s position doesn’t look quite so precarious they will have me by the heartstrings.
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