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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jan 4, 2019 0:27:48 GMT
I believe the source was provided That said I am hoping for a full blown fallout 76/star wars battlefront 2/ battlefield 5 fail here Mind you EVERYONE said those games were not gonna fail either and I am still fucking laughing
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Post by PillarBiter on Jan 4, 2019 8:37:39 GMT
I believe the source was provided That said I am hoping for a full blown fallout 76/star wars battlefront 2/ battlefield 5 fail here Mind you EVERYONE said those games were not gonna fail either and I am still fucking laughing I'm genuinely curious. Other than personal sadistical pleasure, what good exactly are you hoping comes from Anthem tanking?
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Post by helios969 on Jan 4, 2019 11:11:22 GMT
I believe the source was provided That said I am hoping for a full blown fallout 76/star wars battlefront 2/ battlefield 5 fail here Mind you EVERYONE said those games were not gonna fail either and I am still fucking laughing I'm genuinely curious. Other than personal sadistical pleasure, what good exactly are you hoping comes from Anthem tanking? Pretty fine example of internet fanboy throwing a tantrum for not getting what he wants.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jan 4, 2019 11:46:57 GMT
I believe the source was provided That said I am hoping for a full blown fallout 76/star wars battlefront 2/ battlefield 5 fail here Mind you EVERYONE said those games were not gonna fail either and I am still fucking laughing I'm genuinely curious. Other than personal sadistical pleasure, what good exactly are you hoping comes from Anthem tanking? quite simply, if Anthem fails and DA4 does well (hopefully EA does not pull another destiny clone/uber monetization scheme one it) then EA will not shackle the Bioware A team to a destiny clone for the next 10 years. If the backlash is strong enough they may even abandon the project altogether allowing Bioware to focus on what they do best It is the same reason why I was hoping for Fallouf 76 to fail (not the same reason I was hoping battlefront and battlefield and COD 4 and Diablo immortal to fail but hoping for similar outcomes)
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 4, 2019 11:52:09 GMT
quite simply, if Anthem fails and DA4 does well (hopefully EA does not pull another destiny clone/uber monetization scheme one it) then EA will not shackle the Bioware A team to a destiny clone for the next 10 years. If the backlash is strong enough they may even abandon the project altogether allowing Bioware to focus on what they do best It's a legitimate view and the skepticism thread is as good a place as any to share it.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jan 4, 2019 11:52:57 GMT
I'm genuinely curious. Other than personal sadistical pleasure, what good exactly are you hoping comes from Anthem tanking? Pretty fine example of internet fanboy throwing a tantrum for not getting what he wants. looks like the "internet fanboys" managed to do rather well with the FO76 backlash and Diablo Immortal. You trying to label me to de legitimize my complaint about the fact that this is NOT what I want from Bioware in The same way as I would complain about Blizzard pushing out a romantic date simulator, is quite amusing especially since lately us "internet fanboys" who dare speak their mind and not take this shift supinely (especially the counter intuitive and contradicting advertisement that seems to be aimed to reel in the existing fan base with false -and vague- promises while trying to hook the destiny fans) are causing some of these companies to sweat bullets....and I an enjoying ALL of it. Oh, and let's all say goodbye to the Activision/Blizzard CFO folks. The first rat to abandon the ship...now let's see what their next step is
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Post by Shinobu on Jan 4, 2019 12:09:04 GMT
And here I thought it was just you being your sneaky, wicked genius self.
Nope, just me being an idiot. But I've derailed this thread long enough.
Back on topic, how many of you are participating in both the skepticism and hype threads? The tone in both seems to have settled on "wait and see" (and maybe even cautious optimism?), which again seems very reasonable. I'm not sure how it bodes for initial sales that the hype thread is not completely hyped, but at the same time I don't really see people sharpening their knives either. Is it possible we are all (*gasp*) waiting to judge it on its merits?
I wish we had seen more of the story/roleplaying elements in the dev stream. That is the main reason I play Bioware games. Fun gameplay will keep me participating, though.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jan 4, 2019 12:12:34 GMT
I'm genuinely curious. Other than personal sadistical pleasure, what good exactly are you hoping comes from Anthem tanking? quite simply, if Anthem fails and DA4 does well (hopefully EA does not pull another destiny clone/uber monetization scheme one it) then EA will not shackle the Bioware A team to a destiny clone for the next 10 years. If the backlash is strong enough they may even abandon the project altogether allowing Bioware to focus on what they do best It is the same reason why I was hoping for Fallouf 76 to fail (not the same reason I was hoping battlefront and battlefield and COD 4 and Diablo immortal to fail but hoping for similar outcomes) So do you honestly believe that BioWare would work on a project - a new IP - for 6+ years with 100's of people if they did not share a common goal? Do you believe people will give their all for years on end simply for a money scheme ? Do you believe you can create a environment of creativity, ownership, detail orientation and passion for the job if Anthem is not the shared vision of the people working at BioWare? I've got news for you pal. They aren't doing this as a cash-grab because one hick up at EA said they had to. They are doing this because they love doing it, and they share a mission to see this through to the best of their abilities. You have every right to be skeptical because your vision does not match yours, but I think deep down you know (reeeeaaallly deep) that the games you once held in high esteem will not be created again, no matter the backlash. Simply because A) they already have been created once, so why do it again? and doing something new as a developer is a lot more challenging, and fun.
Also, why are you making it out to be that DA4 will not follow the same formula? DA is party-based. DA could fit perfectly well in Anthem's concept...
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 4, 2019 12:35:17 GMT
Unfortunately DA4 is already locked into Live Service as well, so that ship has sailed.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jan 4, 2019 12:40:50 GMT
quite simply, if Anthem fails and DA4 does well (hopefully EA does not pull another destiny clone/uber monetization scheme one it) then EA will not shackle the Bioware A team to a destiny clone for the next 10 years. If the backlash is strong enough they may even abandon the project altogether allowing Bioware to focus on what they do best It is the same reason why I was hoping for Fallouf 76 to fail (not the same reason I was hoping battlefront and battlefield and COD 4 and Diablo immortal to fail but hoping for similar outcomes) So do you honestly believe that BioWare would work on a project - a new IP - for 6+ years with 100's of people if they did not share a common goal? Do you believe people will give their all for years on end simply for a money scheme ? Do you believe you can create a environment of creativity, ownership, detail orientation and passion for the job if Anthem is not the shared vision of the people working at BioWare? I've got news for you pal. They aren't doing this as a cash-grab because one hick up at EA said they had to. They are doing this because they love doing it, and they share a mission to see this through to the best of their abilities. You have every right to be skeptical because your vision does not match yours, but I think deep down you know (reeeeaaallly deep) that the games you once held in high esteem will not be created again, no matter the backlash. Simply because A) they already have been created once, so why do it again? and doing something new as a developer is a lot more challenging, and fun.
Also, why are you making it out to be that DA4 will not follow the same formula? DA is party-based. DA could fit perfectly well in Anthem's concept...
sorry, not buying it. While I do not doubt that some Bioware folks put their heart and soul in the creative process of their craft I also know Bioware Is DE FACTO a subsidiary of EA and what EA says goes. Case in point Diablo Immortal. Blizzard Devs can try to be high and mighty as you are right now and speak about the creative process of their team and how they realized that mobile gaming is what people want and even their most hardcore team members seen to want (God I cant keep a straight face saying this) but it does not change the fact that Diablo immortal was NOT what blizzard wanted and it was dictated by activision's higher ups in the hopes to make a buck (the company they outsourced the coding to should be telling as well) Thank God for the backlash on that. So no, not buying it sorry. And your character defense of Bioware is laughable. I would buy it if they were their own studio. THEY ARE NOT They are EA. Get it through your head. Their objection of conscience mean nothing, they do what they are told. EA follows the money, games like GOW, TW 3 and spiderman and others have shown companies that there is money and good will to be made there if customers are treated with respect and given quality. With enough backlash and enough reason to even if a game was "already made once" they will make it again
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jan 4, 2019 12:42:16 GMT
Unfortunately DA4 is already locked into Live Service as well, so that ship has sailed. Oh well, here's to hope that the single player experience focused studios bought by MS work as advertised (so far the writing on the wall seems good)
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Post by PillarBiter on Jan 4, 2019 13:01:00 GMT
So do you honestly believe that BioWare would work on a project - a new IP - for 6+ years with 100's of people if they did not share a common goal? Do you believe people will give their all for years on end simply for a money scheme ? Do you believe you can create a environment of creativity, ownership, detail orientation and passion for the job if Anthem is not the shared vision of the people working at BioWare? I've got news for you pal. They aren't doing this as a cash-grab because one hick up at EA said they had to. They are doing this because they love doing it, and they share a mission to see this through to the best of their abilities. You have every right to be skeptical because your vision does not match yours, but I think deep down you know (reeeeaaallly deep) that the games you once held in high esteem will not be created again, no matter the backlash. Simply because A) they already have been created once, so why do it again? and doing something new as a developer is a lot more challenging, and fun.
Also, why are you making it out to be that DA4 will not follow the same formula? DA is party-based. DA could fit perfectly well in Anthem's concept...
*SNIP* With enough backlash and enough reason to even if a game was "already made once" they will make it again So basically, you want dragon age to be like FIFA?
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Post by helios969 on Jan 4, 2019 13:03:37 GMT
I'm not sure how it bodes for initial sales that the hype thread is not completely hyped I wouldn't read much if anything into that. In a fan forum dedicated to a company who has primarily focused on SP RPG's it's hardly surprising the reaction is more skeptical. Personally I'd be more hyped if it were DA/ME next...or if Anthem were SP with MP on the side, but I'm still plenty interested...mainly because it has a Bioware story integrated. Hopefully it can tide me over until LOU2 and CP2077 drop, the only other games I'm currently looking forward to.
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Post by helios969 on Jan 4, 2019 13:05:01 GMT
Pretty fine example of internet fanboy throwing a tantrum for not getting what he wants. looks like the "internet fanboys" managed to do rather well with the FO76 backlash and Diablo Immortal. You trying to label me to de legitimize my complaint about the fact that this is NOT what I want from Bioware in The same way as I would complain about Blizzard pushing out a romantic date simulator, is quite amusing especially since lately us "internet fanboys" who dare speak their mind and not take this shift supinely (especially the counter intuitive and contradicting advertisement that seems to be aimed to reel in the existing fan base with false -and vague- promises while trying to hook the destiny fans) are causing some of these companies to sweat bullets....and I an enjoying ALL of it. Oh, and let's all say goodbye to the Activision/Blizzard CFO folks. The first rat to abandon the ship...now let's see what their next step is You should take your toys and go home.
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Post by river82 on Jan 4, 2019 13:09:05 GMT
quite simply, if Anthem fails and DA4 does well (hopefully EA does not pull another destiny clone/uber monetization scheme one it) then EA will not shackle the Bioware A team to a destiny clone for the next 10 years. If the backlash is strong enough they may even abandon the project altogether allowing Bioware to focus on what they do best It is the same reason why I was hoping for Fallouf 76 to fail (not the same reason I was hoping battlefront and battlefield and COD 4 and Diablo immortal to fail but hoping for similar outcomes) So do you honestly believe that BioWare would work on a project - a new IP - for 6+ years with 100's of people if they did not share a common goal? Do you believe people will give their all for years on end simply for a money scheme ? Do you believe you can create a environment of creativity, ownership, detail orientation and passion for the job if Anthem is not the shared vision of the people working at BioWare? I've got news for you pal. They aren't doing this as a cash-grab because one hick up at EA said they had to. They are doing this because they love doing it, and they share a mission to see this through to the best of their abilities. You have every right to be skeptical because your vision does not match yours, but I think deep down you know (reeeeaaallly deep) that the games you once held in high esteem will not be created again, no matter the backlash. Simply because A) they already have been created once, so why do it again? and doing something new as a developer is a lot more challenging, and fun.
Also, why are you making it out to be that DA4 will not follow the same formula? DA is party-based. DA could fit perfectly well in Anthem's concept...
What the developers find the most fun just happens to coincide with what makes EA the most money? That's one hell of a coincidence there. How lucky for EA that the developers just happen to find single player, story focused, one and done linear games a chore. EA sure dodged that moneypit, hahaha...
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Post by PillarBiter on Jan 4, 2019 13:16:19 GMT
So do you honestly believe that BioWare would work on a project - a new IP - for 6+ years with 100's of people if they did not share a common goal? Do you believe people will give their all for years on end simply for a money scheme ? Do you believe you can create a environment of creativity, ownership, detail orientation and passion for the job if Anthem is not the shared vision of the people working at BioWare? I've got news for you pal. They aren't doing this as a cash-grab because one hick up at EA said they had to. They are doing this because they love doing it, and they share a mission to see this through to the best of their abilities. You have every right to be skeptical because your vision does not match yours, but I think deep down you know (reeeeaaallly deep) that the games you once held in high esteem will not be created again, no matter the backlash. Simply because A) they already have been created once, so why do it again? and doing something new as a developer is a lot more challenging, and fun.
Also, why are you making it out to be that DA4 will not follow the same formula? DA is party-based. DA could fit perfectly well in Anthem's concept...
What the developers find the most fun just happens to coincide with what makes EA the most money? That's one hell of a coincidence there. How lucky for EA that the developers just happen to find single player, story focused, one and done linear games a chore. EA sure dodged that moneypit, hahaha... It is allowed to have the best of both worlds, you know
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Post by river82 on Jan 4, 2019 13:25:03 GMT
What the developers find the most fun just happens to coincide with what makes EA the most money? That's one hell of a coincidence there. How lucky for EA that the developers just happen to find single player, story focused, one and done linear games a chore. EA sure dodged that moneypit, hahaha... It is allowed to have the best of both worlds, you know Manveer Heir revealed two things after Andromeda. Those were 1) EA is pushing for open world games because they're easier to monetise, and 2 ) the multiplayer of Mass Effect made a huge amount of money. With people spending over 10,000 dollars on Mass Effect multiplayer cards. Funnily enough we have Anthem, a huge open world game, which is multiplayer, and whose combat is quite similar to Mass Effect. You should see the shock on my face right now
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Post by PillarBiter on Jan 4, 2019 13:28:28 GMT
It is allowed to have the best of both worlds, you know Manveer Heir revealed two things after Andromeda. Those were 1) EA is pushing for open world games because they're easier to monetise, and 2 ) the multiplayer of Mass Effect made a huge amount of money. With people spending over 10,000 dollars on Mass Effect multiplayer cards. Funnily enough we have Anthem, a huge open world game, which is multiplayer, and whose combat is quite similar to Mass Effect. You should see the shock on my face right now I don't see the problem with it, if the game they make is: - open world - multiplayer - similar to mass effect - actually good and fun.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 4, 2019 14:14:57 GMT
Every EA game is supposed to have online components. This is old news and shouldnt really surprise anymore. Like years old.
How the component wiĺl look like is another thing.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 4, 2019 14:59:37 GMT
Every EA game is supposed to have online components. This is old news and shouldnt really surprise anymore. Like years old. How the component wiĺl look like is another thing. But we do know that the mandate for Bioware is no longer "throw on a completely separate multiplayer mode a la ME3MP, DAMP, AMP, and call it a day", it's fully-integrated live service from here on out. Anthem is first, but DA4 will be going down that path as well. The days of separate online MP mode are over for Bioware.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 4, 2019 15:09:37 GMT
Every EA game is supposed to have online components. This is old news and shouldnt really surprise anymore. Like years old. How the component wiĺl look like is another thing. But we do know that the mandate for Bioware is no longer "throw on a completely separate multiplayer mode a la ME3MP, DAMP, AMP, and call it a day", it's fully-integrated live service from here on out. Anthem is first, but DA4 will be going down that path as well. The days of separate online MP mode are over for Bioware. I'm not sure if "live service" exclusively means MP only.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jan 4, 2019 15:27:22 GMT
The days of separate online MP mode are over for Bioware. I think this is likely. Even in Dragon Age Inquisition, you could see the multiplayer party members (such as here, Rion Tamar and the Katari) muttering conspiratorially to each other on the battlements of Skyhold. if not totally merged as one, I could see it being more integrated still.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jan 4, 2019 17:22:59 GMT
The days of separate online MP mode are over for Bioware. I think this is likely. Even in Dragon Age Inquisition, you could see the multiplayer party members (such as here, Rion Tamar and the Katari) muttering conspiratorially to each other on the battlements of Skyhold. if not totally merged as one, I could see it being more integrated still. Not to mention the gameplay and combat were essentially shared between the two modes and elements like the war table were designed as if for multiplayer.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 4, 2019 20:06:03 GMT
But we do know that the mandate for Bioware is no longer "throw on a completely separate multiplayer mode a la ME3MP, DAMP, AMP, and call it a day", it's fully-integrated live service from here on out. Anthem is first, but DA4 will be going down that path as well. The days of separate online MP mode are over for Bioware. I'm not sure if "live service" exclusively means MP only. Not necessarily, I'd say. Think of Monster Hunter World. That's also a live service game, but you don't have to play multiplayer at all. Though almost every mission is MP-capable. The main features are daily/weekly rewards, login bonuses, limited-time events, and so on. Things that can get their hooks into you and instill that good ol Fear Of Missing Out. You know, the best part of dogshit mobile games!
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